300ZX TT vs. 2G GST vs. MKIV GTI

[Alan®]

Ok now that I am finally making a good bit of money I have decided that it's time for me to get a new project and keep the 3G around for a backup when needed.Whatever I get I need to be able to DD it with little to no problems while still being able to do mild mods. I want to get into something boosted but still get halfway decent gas mileage(for comparisson I'm averaging 22mpg/300 per tank in my v6 3G). I picked these three for the following reasons

300ZX-TT V6 18/24mpg, very sexy, 300hp
2G GST-I miss my old 2G :cry: , 4G63 FTW :goodjob: , 23-31mpg
MKIV GTI-Very good looking cars, german reliability, I drove one 2 years ago and can still remember the smile it put on my face.

Now obviously each will have its draw backs

300ZX-expensive and hard to work on
2G GST-Possibility of crankwalk
MKIV-Aftermarket stuff is expensive from what I have seen

Now if I were to get either of the first two I would probably get one with a straight body,interior, and high miles and have the motor rebuilt and freshened up. At this point I'm just kind of wondering which way would probably be the more cost effective route to go. I would really love to get a 300ZX but the GST and the GTI just seem to make more sense. And out of those 2 I'm really leaning more towards the GST simply because I could get it quicker and the GST from what I understand it is cheaper and easier to work on.

If anybody knows what it would cost to get the motors rebuilt on the GST or 300ZX please chime in or if you have a reccomendation on where to take it that would be nice also(thinking top speed on the GST and Z1 on the 300ZX)

Just wanted to get some outside opinions and have people throw info at me I may not be aware of.

[koi]

Stupid question? But why a 2g gst and not a gsx? As far as rebuilding a 4g63. Shouldn't be more then a couple thousand at most.

[Alan®]

Stupid question? But why a 2g gst and not a gsx? As far as rebuilding a 4g63. Shouldn't be more then a couple thousand at most.
Like I said earlier reliability is the key and from what I hve seen the drivetrain and transmissions are big problems on the GSX.

[redrumracer]

why not get a 3000gtvr4?

[DirtyMechanic]

why not get a 3000gtvr4? because those my friend are heavy pos even when modded.

[redrumracer]

because those my friend are heavy pos even when modded.
i dont know about the pos part but heavy, yes that they are.

[csmiths]

because those my friend are heavy pos even when modded.

retarded heavy, even more then my retarded heavy car

[Bruce Leroy]

just buy a 240 and put a sr in that *****... Cheapest option, gets decent gas mileage, and parts are easy to find since everyone is drift crazy.

[Alan®]

just buy a 240 and put a sr in that *****... Cheapest option, gets decent gas mileage, and parts are easy to find since everyone is drift crazy.
I have never really liked 240's that's why it's not on the list.

[seanrg1116]

asfar as re3building goes the most inexpensive way to go is to get a replacement engine most only run between 1100 and 2000

[OneSlow5pt0]

y so much hate on VR4,yea thier heavy but they back it up thier pretty damn quick.....i mean its a mid-high 13 sec car......its a GT ofcourse its gonna be heavy,and dont act like a 300zx TT is a miata,its a tank too

plus one of the best looin imports ever,imo

[OneSlow5pt0]

and for the record a TT 2+2 weighs 3500 pounds compared to a AWD TT 3kgt that weighs 3700...........i mean it reeally is a heavy pos,lol....thats faster than a 300zx in 0-60 and 1/4............lol

[DirtyMechanic]

ive seen VR4s trailered in at last years SELOC and they the fastest they ran was a mid 12 and they where fully decked out. sooo... yeah i dont see how a 3700+ awd car can be fast.

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I used to have a 300ZXTT, Its a really fun car to have, but mods are kinda on the pricey side, takes some time to work on since everything is kinda squeezed together, and fuel economy suffers alot.

[OneSlow5pt0]

like i said for a 3700 pound GT they are quick,if u want something to go fast,with less money and be reliable.....domestic power

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why dont you get a honda? S2000 have great gas mileage, very fun car, obviously daily driveable, and can be had for way under 20k

[SandM]

gti

[Silver280zx]

You should get an oldschool nissan, nothing is more reliable than they are. My 280zx has 275k running strong, my friends 84 300zx has 550k on the original motor, never been rebuilt. A 240z comes btween 2200-2300lbs stock, my 280zx is down in the 2500's now. Mine is an NA however, but with minor boltons' im running 15's on 8 to 1 compression, imagine with 11:1 or a turbo car. As far as fuel economy goes, I get 26mpg city, and over 30mpg on the hwy.

[JITB]

keep the 3g, and make it how u want it.. id rather see a nice lookin 3g.. than the others. we know what they all can and will look like. But not too many 3g eclipses around.

[nsany(atl)]

my 300N/A is for sale, $8000 w/o wheels it is a 91 slicktop, one of 1200 made. Painted 350z Pikes Peak white, Kamanari kit w/ '99 front end
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o175/nsanyatl/IMG_0628.jpg
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[Kyle]

MKIV GTI

oh god no.

you are already complaining about expensive parts, do I see some time attacked wheels in your future?

[Alan®]

oh god no.

you are already complaining about expensive parts, do I see some time attacked wheels in your future?
not to worry i have pretty much eliminated the gti from the list simply because i'd rather buy a gst or a 300zx dirt cheap and have a car with a completely rebuilt motor than a 10 or 12k gti with 60-120k miles on it.

[Alan®]

keep the 3g, and make it how u want it.. id rather see a nice lookin 3g.. than the others. we know what they all can and will look like. But not too many 3g eclipses around.
I will be keeping the 3G but at this point I'm just tired of slow fwd cars and want to get into something quicker that I can have fun with. Even if I only drive it on the weekends I'd be happy.

I will probably still do some stuff with the 3G but whatever I get will end up getting 90% of my money.

[BlkCD5]

MR2?

[IndianStig]

oh god no.

you are already complaining about expensive parts, do I see some time attacked wheels in your future?



whats wrong with time attack? looks good and suites some cars.

fix your sig.

[IndianStig]

oh god no.

you are already complaining about expensive parts, do I see some time attacked wheels in your future?



whats wrong with time attack? looks good and suites some cars.

fix your sig.


get the 300zxTT

[SandM]

^ that is why we have edit buttons

[Alan®]

whats wrong with time attack? looks good and suites some cars.

fix your sig.
don't bother with him he has his own personal vendetta against me.

[BlkCD5]

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/CDphoto95/haterade-logo.jpg
a lot of this going around.

[Kyle]

whats wrong with time attack? looks good and suites some cars.

fix your sig.


get the 300zxTT
Everyone with a black or red car thinks that time attack will make there car "set their car off", etc. But its just overdone and ugly in my opinion. I'd muccccch rather see a nice set of silver wheels than some that need to be painted to match my car.

[Alan®]

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/CDphoto95/haterade-logo.jpg
a lot of this going around.
lol yea man. I thought about mr2's going back to what you said and IDK maybe I have kind of settled on the Z32 just waiting to hear a labor quote on getting the motor rebuilt.

[TheDarkRacer]

BlkCD5 im LIRL @ ur sig. So funny... But id say 300. They are super sexy...
~TDR

[IndianStig]

why not a lexus SC300? SC400?

[BlkCD5]

:thinking: You and your lexus obsession man. Well, i guess its better than my broke down honda.

[IndianStig]

LOL, I might be coming away from the lexus crowd actually. There are a few nice Audi A4's for under 20k 1.8T 6spd and AWD, now if I could only find a wagon!

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LOL, I might be coming away from the lexus crowd actually. There are a few nice Audi A4's for under 20k 1.8T 6spd and AWD, now if I could only find a wagon!I heard thru the grapevine u had an accord

[IndianStig]

I heard thru the grapevine u had an accord

yep yep. h22 swapped. ready for you to take on as your project if my buyer flakes through. all it needs is a drop, grill, paint the wheels and maybe new suspension bushings

[mogaffar]

definitley get a 300zxtt.... this is speaking from experience. As for working on them, my 300zx is the first car ive worked on and its not so bad. A little cramped but exciting when you finish a tedious project. The power is great, as for weight... GET MORE POWAH! I probably weigh in at like 3800 with a FULL system, a carputer and im pushing close to 500whp. This by no means is slow, if i take out the system my cars good for low 11's. These cars respond to mods VERY WELL and put out ALOT of torque.

[jumpin800agl]

Go for the 300zx. Rather than build a new motor just drop an LS motor in there for relatively cheap.

[Alan®]

Go for the 300zx. Rather than build a new motor just drop an LS motor in there for relatively cheap.
:thinking:

[Bruce Leroy]

:thinking:


Thats the internet speaking through him....

Out of those three cars, i would personally pick the 300zx... But honestly labor is going to rape you.

[Alan®]

i was reffering to him saying ls.

[jumpin800agl]

i was reffering to him saying ls.
I was referring to a V-8 swap in the 300zx, which has been done many times.

[mogaffar]

please dont do that... stick with the VG... its a pretty damn good motor.

[Alan®]

I was referring to a V-8 swap in the 300zx, which has been done many times.
no thanks. like i said want to stay boosted. 300zx tt project may be outside my initial price range I found out after doing some digging.

[IndianStig]

240sx with SR20.

duh. no really, **** what everyone says, its a tried, tested and true method

[Alan®]

240sx with SR20.

duh. no really, **** what everyone says, its a tried, tested and true method
Just cuz I said the 300zx project was a lil out of my range doesnt mean I can't spend dough. I just didn't want to spend 9k on a motor swap.

[koi]

I actually say get a 300zx. As much as I love dsm's. I actually think the 300zx is a better car that holds it value more.

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As far as a 300ZX holding their value, the only really valuble ones are 1993 and 1996 Twin Turbos w/ low miles. The N/A ones can be had all day from 2000-6000.

To the O.P., if you're gonna start out w/ a low milage TT, you dont have to swap the motor. U.S. motors are more powerful due to the Gentlemans Agreement b/t Japan and the U.S. The same as the Supra. The JDM motors are restricted due to HP constraints over there. Get a TT car, and talk to Z1 motorsports and look at the turbo packages they offer.

[Alan®]

As far as a 300ZX holding their value, the only really valuble ones are 1993 and 1996 Twin Turbos w/ low miles. The N/A ones can be had all day from 2000-6000.

To the O.P., if you're gonna start out w/ a low milage TT, you dont have to swap the motor. U.S. motors are more powerful due to the Gentlemans Agreement b/t Japan and the U.S. The same as the Supra. The JDM motors are restricted due to HP constraints over there. Get a TT car, and talk to Z1 motorsports and look at the turbo packages they offer.
I was really looking at like maybe a small overhaul project. I wanted to get a 300X TT with high mileage and have the motor refreshed. According to the guys at Z1 that's not a wise route and want like 8k to swap in a new motor. Really I think I'm just going to look for a 2G GST or GSX and go from there. This isn't something I'm in a huge rush to complete but at the same time I want something I can drive until I get the money to do what I want with it. I think I've found a 98 that I like that's just what I'm looking for. I'm gonna shoot for 300 and go from there with a 6 bolt swap.

[DirtyMechanic]

As far as a 300ZX holding their value, the only really valuble ones are 1993 and 1996 Twin Turbos w/ low miles. The N/A ones can be had all day from 2000-6000.

To the O.P., if you're gonna start out w/ a low milage TT, you dont have to swap the motor. U.S. motors are more powerful due to the Gentlemans Agreement b/t Japan and the U.S. The same as the Supra. The JDM motors are restricted due to HP constraints over there. Get a TT car, and talk to Z1 motorsports and look at the turbo packages they offer. that was a blanket everyone knows that JDM motors even though they were rated at 287 as the Gentlemans Agreement was stated everyone knew they were making more that 300.

[nsany(atl)]

that was a blanket everyone knows that JDM motors even though they were rated at 287 as the Gentlemans Agreement was stated everyone knew they were making more that 300.

The JDM 300TT motors came with the smaller Automatic turbos, they did make less power.

[hybrid1gt]

get the 2g gst-gsx it's the cheapest route.Swap a 6-bolt with rebuild, good headgasket and arp studs.It will hold 20psi with a 16g turbo and it's good power

[mogaffar]

As far as a 300ZX holding their value, the only really valuble ones are 1993 and 1996 Twin Turbos w/ low miles. The N/A ones can be had all day from 2000-6000.

To the O.P., if you're gonna start out w/ a low milage TT, you dont have to swap the motor. U.S. motors are more powerful due to the Gentlemans Agreement b/t Japan and the U.S. The same as the Supra. The JDM motors are restricted due to HP constraints over there. Get a TT car, and talk to Z1 motorsports and look at the turbo packages they offer.

Um... 1996 holding their values? 1996 is by far the worst to get because of the OBD-2... and holding their values 94-95 are the best ones to get.

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If performance is what you want, the 93 TT is the best one to get, but if your looking for something to fix up and increase in value, 95-96 is the way to go

[OnURleft]

I.M.O every car you listed is just terrible and bound to so many problems. GTi would be my choice but the 1.8's have limited potential but can be very fun for cheap. The 300zx's are nightmares I have two friends with one and they are just complicated, overweight pigs but...if built right can be very fast. I would not be caught dead in a GS-T

[Alan®]

Im getting a GST just gotta find the right one

[slopoke]

Audi s4? you can throw on an exhaust/hard pipe kit/ and a tune and run low 13's reliably of you keep up on maintence, and its baller!!! throw on rs4 turbos get retuned and run mid 11's~

[slopoke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz3Ifvd4mt0&feature=relatedh <--- $3k in mods
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rMLK-qRxbcE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LCOHdWm8MMU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9dwRaF8kyE

[BlkCD5]

cool, but how much is maintenance on an Audi? Yea, a ****load if you don't know some people. At least with the eclipse he has some knowledge about the car.

[RUFFIAN]

what car suits your driving style the best? all three are so different. I am biased toward the RWD but the other two have redeeming qualities as well.

[Fr33way]

Gentlemans Agreement b/t Japan and the U.S.

The agreement was between Japanese manufacturers, not Japan and the U.S.

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The agreement was between Japanese manufacturers, not Japan and the U.S.u know what i mean :tongue1: