Rsx-s vs. RX-8

[Got Milk?]

:ninja:Both stock, who would win.

RSX-s has a really bad clutch.

RSX-8 All working perfectly.:police:

[redpanda]

ease off on your clutch lol. I'm assuming the dc is your's. I'm saying rSx-8

[Demsum]

Rx-8, even if the type-s was in perfect condition.

[Got Milk?]

what does stock rx8 oush out. 200-230?

Well the race is tommorow, so we will see what happens.

And naw, ever since i got my dc, my clutch has been bad. I just dont see a reason to change it with my car being stock. :D

[blackshine007]

The RX8 if he's a good driver. My 626 would walk both :ninja:

[nreggie454]

RX8 FTW.

[gforce23]

what does stock rx8 oush out. 200-230?

Well the race is tommorow, so we will see what happens.

And naw, ever since i got my dc, my clutch has been bad. I just dont see a reason to change it with my car being stock. :D
180ish whp with 1/4 mile in 14.7. A stock Type-S probably does it in 15.xx secs. Unless the RX8 driver shifts like a granny's granny, I don't see why it should lose.

[blackshine007]

Also, rotaries only get faster with time. When they're new, they run low 15's. Give them about 40k and they run mid to upper 14's with a good driver. If you're running a 6 speed, you're gonna lose. You'll easily win if it's an automatic

[MSRTom]

Also, rotaries only get faster with time. When they're new, they run low 15's. Give them about 40k and they run mid to upper 14's with a good driver. If you're running a 6 speed, you're gonna lose. You'll easily win if it's an automatic

Is that due to reduced friction on the apex seals with wear?

[blackshine007]

I'm gonna assume that the apex seals are finally breaking in. The rotors only spin a 1/3 of the eccentric shaft's speed. While the engine speeds reads 9k, the rotor is turning 3k.

[Captain-Obvious™]

180ish whp with 1/4 mile in 14.7. A stock Type-S probably does it in 15.xx secs. Unless the RX8 driver shifts like a granny's granny, I don't see why it should lose.

how does an s do 1/4 in 15 something? Me and my buddy went to commerce a while back and his stock ass LS teg ran a 15.6

[OneSlow5pt0]

i belive a S will run a a mid-high 14,but moneys on the 8 if its a shinto 6speed

[KDM>JDM]

ive seen in person type s' run from 14.8-15.6 in stock form. so on the street they should run right with an rx-8. and to the guy that ran a 15.6 in a stock LS well damn he can drive, or either the LS was in a hatch

[TheDarkRacer]

Also, rotaries only get faster with time. When they're new, they run low 15's. Give them about 40k and they run mid to upper 14's with a good driver. If you're running a 6 speed, you're gonna lose. You'll easily win if it's an automatic

:umno:
WTF told you that? I've never heard of sutch a thing. Once you hit 2-3k miles then your set.
Give me proof that what you said is true. If none is give, everything you say is void.

Oh yea, RX-8 would stomp the rsx, deff if there were turns...
~TDR

[twinj]

My money would deff it be on the Rx-8.

[WannabeSpecV]

rx-8

[man]

I'm gonna assume that the apex seals are finally breaking in. The rotors only spin a 1/3 of the eccentric shaft's speed. While the engine speeds reads 9k, the rotor is turning 3k.

What?

[csmiths]

id have to take the rx8, but it should close. if the rx8 is an auto, then the type s

[blackshine007]

:umno:
WTF told you that? I've never heard of sutch a thing. Once you hit 2-3k miles then your set.
Give me proof that what you said is true. If none is give, everything you say is void.

Oh yea, RX-8 would stomp the rsx, deff if there were turns...
~TDR
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/sports_car_central/mazda_rx_8_long_term_road_test+t-performance+page-2.html


What?
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/rotary-engine4.htm
K.I.S.S. Keep it short & simple

[K20Z1]

hmm stock 05-06 rsx runs 14.9

[superboost]

The RX8 if he's a good driver. My 626 would walk both :ninja:

The do ok. If the RSX has exhaust and headers, he'll walk the RX8. However, if the RX8 driver can drive...well , it would be an interesting race.

My volvo would destroy both ;)

Turns, the RX8 would win. From a dig, I'd give it to the RSX only due to torque. Manual to manual, the RX8 would probably kill the RSX up top.

[TheDarkRacer]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/sports_car_central/mazda_rx_8_long_term_road_test+t-performance+page-2.html


http://auto.howstuffworks.com/rotary-engine4.htm
K.I.S.S. Keep it short & simple

HAHAHA your dumb, Car and driver has no proof that the engine "broke in" to give them better 0-60 and 1/4th times. In that same pargraph they say that they upgraded to sticker tires, and there is never just one person driving a car when they test it. So you proof fails.

And how its made says nothing about the rpm's being 1/3rd of the thing or wut ever the hell you said. For ever 3 turns of the E-shaft, the rotor spins 1 time. Nothing about the rpm's being devided by 3 or w/e.
~TDR

[01CDMLUDER]

it should be close. it'll probably come down to driver.

[blackshine007]

HAHAHA your dumb, Car and driver has no proof that the engine "broke in" to give them better 0-60 and 1/4th times. In that same pargraph they say that they upgraded to sticker tires, and there is never just one person driving a car when they test it. So you proof fails.
Every other person I know of who has bought a naturally aspirated rotory powered car new has mentioned the same thing about them getting faster with time. C&D just so happened to mention that as well.

And how its made says nothing about the rpm's being 1/3rd of the thing or wut ever the hell you said. For ever 3 turns of the E-shaft, the rotor spins 1 time. Nothing about the rpm's being devided by 3 or w/e.
~TDR
You, sir, could not be as dumb as this statement you just posted. How is it you make this statement yet you try to call me out saying I'm wrong? Let's do some math, shall we? If for every 3 turns of the e-shaft, that's only 33.3% of a full rotation of the rotor. Another turn swings the rotor an additional 33.3% to bring us a total of 66.6% rotation. The final 33.3 percent would mean that the rotor has done a complete 180 degree circle. So let's speed things up a bit. If the E shaft is spinning at 9000 rpm, 9000/ every 3 turns of the e-shaft in conjunction to the rotor= 3000 rpm of the actual rotor itself. Does that make any sense to you or do I still fail? Because the only one I see who has failed is yourself. Please do yourself a favor and put yourself back into school. You will surely benefit from it.

[atlxpat]

neither, the po-pos on memorial day weekend would =D

[Ronsam2006]

So what happened to the run?

[On_Her_Face]

they are still running from last night, they should be at about 45 mph by now

[Sibious]

ive seen in person type s' run from 14.8-15.6 in stock form. so on the street they should run right with an rx-8. and to the guy that ran a 15.6 in a stock LS well damn he can drive, or either the LS was in a hatch
my words exactly. i have an ls stock ( :ninja: ) i ran 15.7 first time ever at track, cant wait to try it at import showdown in the fall with some more :ninja:

[Jonathan12uiz]

Every other person I know of who has bought a naturally aspirated rotory powered car new has mentioned the same thing about them getting faster with time. C&D just so happened to mention that as well.

You, sir, could not be as dumb as this statement you just posted. How is it you make this statement yet you try to call me out saying I'm wrong? Let's do some math, shall we? If for every 3 turns of the e-shaft, that's only 33.3% of a full rotation of the rotor. Another turn swings the rotor an additional 33.3% to bring us a total of 66.6% rotation. The final 33.3 percent would mean that the rotor has done a complete 180 degree circle. So let's speed things up a bit. If the E shaft is spinning at 9000 rpm, 9000/ every 3 turns of the e-shaft in conjunction to the rotor= 3000 rpm of the actual rotor itself. Does that make any sense to you or do I still fail? Because the only one I see who has failed is yourself. Please do yourself a favor and put yourself back into school. You will surely benefit from it.

ok as for the revolutions of the actual rotors vs what the tach says. that formula sounds along the lines. cant remeber the specific formula but that sound right.
BUT as for the 1/4 times getting better with more mileage. thats just nonsense really. apex seals get worse with usage. lower compression the higher the mileage.
sorry to say this but rotaries run different every time you crank it up. they are like ticking time bombs. you could have a score of 8 on all sides of both rotors one day and the next day 6.5, 7, and 5. and thats on normal daily driving NOT racing. trust me i know from experience.
as for the rsx vs the 8. it depends on whether the rotary is a 6port or 4port.

[KDM>JDM]

so who won? or did yall even race?

[TheDarkRacer]

Thank you Jonathan, for confirming/backing me in on that wear part. 007, I can say that i mis read you post about the 1/3 thing. Im still not 100% sure what you were saying in the first post but i dont really car anymore. Bottom line is, that you dont know as much about rotarys as you think. Apex seals don't get better with time(as stated by jonathan) they slowly wear down. After the proper break in has been done, the performance slowly goes downhill... Till they pop.
~TDR

[atlxpat]

they are still running from last night, they should be at about 45 mph by now

hahahahaha, +1 man lol

[blackshine007]

Thank you Jonathan, for confirming/backing me in on that wear part. 007, I can say that i mis read you post about the 1/3 thing. Im still not 100% sure what you were saying in the first post but i dont really car anymore. Bottom line is, that you dont know as much about rotarys as you think. Apex seals don't get better with time(as stated by jonathan) they slowly wear down. After the proper break in has been done, the performance slowly goes downhill... Till they pop.
~TDR
I know more than you think. I'm very aware of the apex seals. I know that the RX8 guys haven't had a single problem with them. I also know that you can't crank it up while cold to pull it back a couple of feet because you will flood them out and have to dry the plugs off it it don't crank (due to aggressive cold start fuel maps). Just as long as you avoid the 5w20 motor oil the engine will last. If you were to upgrade to the RX8's 2mm seals + rotors and do a little bit of port work, your FC will be in good business. I'm not as ignorant as you think I am to rotaries. I just don't work on them. I worked at the Mazda dealer long enough to know about the benefits of the Renesis engine. I've replaced a couple of oil pans due to the light coming on from hard cornering (it was a recall anyways). I'm not very hip on the 12A's and 13B's, but I know a little something about the renesis.

[87 Turbo II]

The Renesis is still a 13B with different mid and side plates but the housings still have "13B" stamped on them and leave the exhaust P-ports un-milled. I say the Rx-8 but I am biased. If there are turns I guarantee the Rx-8 assuming the Rsx-S driver isn't an amazing WAY above average driver and the Rx-8 driver knows a little bit about what he's doing.

[blackshine007]

^^ Clutch is slipping in the RSX-S so it fails due to mechanical error. Well, he didn't have much of a chance from the begining.

[TheDarkRacer]

okay 007 I see you know a lil bit, but read up a lil bit more from some more reliable sources. Bottom line, rx8 is cooler then the rsx :)
~TDR

[dnugs03rsx]

kick his ass get that clutch fixed 2nd gear grind ftl

[blackshine007]

^^He still gonna lose.

[OneSlow5pt0]

o,well i oculd careless if the RSX-S was faster,id still rather have a 8,**** id rather have a 8 than a FD

[JR VQ 30 de]

rx8

[TheDarkRacer]

u can shift w/o a clutch!! ive done it lol
~TDR

[blackshine007]

u can shift w/o a clutch!! ive done it lol
~TDR
When you have no friction area to make direct contact with the flywheel and pressure plate, how do you transfer engine power to the transmission? Magic? If anything, if you have a bad master cylinder or bad slave cylinder, you don't need to engage the clutch. You rev match the rpms and ease in. It will eventually go. That was yet another dumb answer. Please edit that post.

[TheDarkRacer]

^^ im jokn around.... kinda.. lol
rev match+ease in, a soft but firm push when u rev match... i only show off wit that takes too long... haha
~TDR

[Gorilla Eg!]

check this out its the BEST BEST car tech info website on the freakin PLANET!!!!!

heres a direct comparison btw the 2 cars:

http://www.fast-autos.net/compare/?a=31&b=904

and dont be so quick to count the RSX out just yet....It will surprise ya! :goodjob:

[TheDarkRacer]

^^ ur comparison said it would lose too...
~TDR

[OneSlow5pt0]

^^ ur comparison said it would lose too...
~TDR

x2

RX-8 owns in everything between them.....aside from weight,MPG and price

[Gorilla Eg!]

^^ ur comparison said it would lose too...
~TDR

It would probably come down to the driver....

[willum14pb]

RX8 all the way.. no questions asked unless the driver blows complete and total ass

[watdaflo?]

rotary ftl

[RL...]

def rx8

[Master Shake]

180ish whp with 1/4 mile in 14.7. A stock Type-S probably does it in 15.xx secs. Unless the RX8 driver shifts like a granny's granny, I don't see why it should lose.with a good driver and clutch the rsx can run high 14's.
in this case the rx8.
good luck dude.

[yungdz]

so what was the outcome of this?

[kfzemx3]

I would win, by deflating both cars tires and riding my tricycle down the quarter mile ::squeezes horn::

[Paree4g63]

You've gotta really know your car to be a great driver @ it no matter what. I don't know about the RX-8 but I know that alot of people are having a hard time running the 1/4 times on a RSX-S. Majority are running low-mid 15's and even high 14's with a good bit of mods when the Type S is supposed to run 14.8 bone stock in a 1/4. I've seen a vid on youtube of a Type S pulling a s2k in top end so I don't know if the RX-8 can hang in long run. But both the typeS & s2k were modded so in the end it all comes down to the driver. I'mma big fan of the vtec motors also; i'd rather get a rsx-s or the legendary acura integra type r if i had a choice of a fwd car in the future. Since you gotta bad clutch; your chances are slim buddy. But every cars performance also depends on how well you've maintained it..changing the oil correctly and getting tune ups.

Just my 2cents:goodjob:

[kfzemx3]

You've gotta really know your car to be a great driver @ it no matter what. I don't know about the RX-8 but I know that alot of people are having a hard time running the 1/4 times on a RSX-S. Majority are running low-mid 15's and even high 14's with a good bit of mods when the Type S is supposed to run 14.8 bone stock in a 1/4. I've seen a vid on youtube of a Type S pulling a s2k in top end so I don't know if the RX-8 can hang in long run. But both the typeS & s2k were modded so in the end it all comes down to the driver. I'mma big fan of the vtec motors also; i'd rather get a rsx-s or the legendary acura integra type r if i had a choice of a fwd car in the future. Since you gotta bad clutch; your chances are slim buddy. But every cars performance also depends on how well you've maintained it..changing the oil correctly and getting tune ups.

Just my 2cents:goodjob:


I got videos of a mx-3 (with a stock klde 2.5 mx6 motor) pulling on a s2k from mid range to top end whats your point?

Tricycle for the win

[cdhtang]

i vote on the rx8...so have you guys run yet?

[Silver280zx]

Hmmm, both are slow, ive never seen an rsx-s run better than a 15.6 @ around 90mph, and the fastest ive seen an rx8 run is a 15.0 @ around 93mph so i say rx8 from a digg.

[Paree4g63]

I got videos of a mx-3 (with a stock klde 2.5 mx6 motor) pulling on a s2k from mid range to top end whats your point?

Tricycle for the win

Well, if that can pull s2k's..it can probably pull or hang with an evo or sti eh? stock 2.5 mx6 motor? mann, never heard of such quickness.. don't see much of those around....If they were that quick..why isn't it in the trend?:goodjob:

It's also hard to run a s2k right also..I've never seen any run below mid 14's. Some say they can run high 13's but i'd be impressed to see one bone stock do so.

[kfzemx3]

since when does something have to be a trend to be fast?

[Seun]

in this case Rx8 would win.
I wish i could upload the video of my buddy who ran a 13.9 in his bone stock ap1.

[Paree4g63]

in this case Rx8 would win.
I wish i could upload the video of my buddy who ran a 13.9 in his bone stock ap1.

That rsx in the pic looks clean ass hell:goodjob: ; my 2 top acuras!

[Seun]

not an rsx but i know what you mean.:D

[Siverprobegt]

Well, if that can pull s2k's..it can probably pull or hang with an evo or sti eh? stock 2.5 mx6 motor? mann, never heard of such quickness.. don't see much of those around....If they were that quick..why isn't it in the trend?:goodjob:

It's also hard to run a s2k right also..I've never seen any run below mid 14's. Some say they can run high 13's but i'd be impressed to see one bone stock do so.

Just because you don't see them,that don't mean mx3's ain't around... :ninja: