How many Billy Badasses we got here?

[tony]

No really.. who has a permit to carry a concealed weapon? With House Bill 89 passing I'm just curious.

No mischief going on here either, I got mine last year after some informal training. (poll coming)

[Killer]

what's a carrying permit cost... and what do you have to do to get one?

and what's the bill?!?!?

[Leisa]

I think it costs 15.00

the bill is allowing you to carry your weapon in public places..

[ShooterMcGavin]

1) costs vary depending on the county you're in, although it's $26 for the GBI background check regardless. (fyi: in cobb, it's another $20 something you pay to the court house)

2) go down to your county probate court, fill out paperwork, get fingerprinted...and wait

3) go to the Wallstreet section, you'll find plenty about the bill there

[Kevykev]

I know which members will post in this thread more than once.

I call them the Gun Thug Crew.

[Slow Motion]

GUN THUG CREW of IA FTW. Who carries, raise you gun and be accounted for.

[nreggie454]

I plan on getting my permit this summer since I will be turning 21.

[Kevykev]

GUN THUG CREW of IA FTW. Who carries, raise you gun and be accounted for.


hahahahaaaa :lmfao: that statement is funny especially when you see the sig afterwards.

[turbosx©]

lol it is

[twinj]

:ninja:

[Jecht]

No, I don't care - I don't like guns at all.

I'm one of two people who voted for that. :lmao:

[slow_hatch]

The day I turned 21, the first thing I did was go down to the court house and file the paper work and get printed. Then I went and bought my Glock 23. Now I wait.(10 wks till your permit is mailed)

[DJ Maestro]

My permit should be on its way sometime in the mail. You pay the money and wait...and wait...and wait. Oh well, it'll be here sooner or later. :D

[Sport1.3]

i voted for the last option, but more so for the "no permit, no care" part. I dont own a gun and can care less about the bill passing. Though i'm sure Charlton Heston is beating off in his grave right now

[redrumracer]

yes and yes until next week cuz you still cant carry a gun on college campus

[jwrape]

You forgot the option "No, I don't have a permit but I still carry a gun":no:

[Slow Motion]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2334/2180422584_b19d16eb34.jpg?v=0

woohoo

[man]

Don't really care one way or the other. To me the fight for gun control is like the fight for marijuana. People just want to have things their way, whether it's better for society or not. I would probably say MOST people carry just to say they carry and feel like a bad ass.

[nreggie454]

Don't really care one way or the other. To me the fight for gun control is like the fight for marijuana. People just want to have things their way, whether it's better for society or not. I would probably say MOST people carry just to say they carry and feel like a bad ass.

And you are wrong. When I get my carry liscense, I will carry and feel SAFE.

LOL and since when was it wrong to vote for your self-interests? Everybody has been doing it forever, and everybody will do it forever.

[Barefoot]

i heard about this on the news last night. that was th eonly thing stopping my getting a permit. i figured it wasnt worth the trouble im i couldnt have it with me in a public area like a bar.

[Sport1.3]

i heard about this on the news last night. that was th eonly thing stopping my getting a permit. i figured it wasnt worth the trouble im i couldnt have it with me in a public area like a bar.


:lmfao: gun + alcohol = AWESOME FUN TIME!

[Julio]

I think it costs 15.00

the bill is allowing you to carry your weapon in public places..



Cost depends what county.. 26 for the fingerprints and whatever the county charges.

The bill Is to allow permit holders to carry in "even" more public places.. As to where before it was not permited for example : inside a bar that sells alcohol... Now you will be able to aslong as you dont drink.

[Julio]

:lmfao: gun + alcohol = AWESOME FUN TIME!


Before laughing.. read up on the new bill 1st.

You cannot drink while carrying your weapon. You get caught, it will be consider a misdemenor.


:rolleyes:

[Barefoot]

:lmfao: gun + alcohol = AWESOME FUN TIME!ooo yah. now that the law is passed do u know how many guns will be in bars and any other place people can think of.

[Barefoot]

Before laughing.. read up on the new bill 1st.

You cannot drink while carrying your weapon. You get caught, it will be consider a misdemenor.


:rolleyes:it will stop some people. there is a few it wont stop.

[nreggie454]

ooo yah. now that the law is passed do u know how many guns will be in bars and any other place people can think of.

Guns will still not be allowed in bars. They will be allowed in restaurants that serve alcohol (if I remember correctly). These establishments have to make at least 50% of their money from food sales.

EDIT: this only applies to permit holders.

[Julio]

No really.. who has a permit to carry a concealed weapon? With House Bill 89 passing I'm just curious.

No mischief going on here either, I got mine last year after some informal training. (poll coming)



I dont think anyone in ga has a conceal permit ..... In GA You can Open carry if you feel like it.
Now, With the new Bill will this change?

[Sport1.3]

Before laughing.. read up on the new bill 1st.

You cannot drink while carrying your weapon. You get caught, it will be consider a misdemenor.


:rolleyes:


Yes, because that will stop them. How many ppl speed, or hell, drive intoxicated! :lmfao:

[Julio]

Guns will still not be allowed in bars. They will be allowed in restaurants that serve alcohol (if I remember correctly). These establishments have to make at least 50% of their money from food sales.

EDIT: this only applies to permit holders.




You are correct sir. Some of these folks need to read before talking...

Uneducated guess will make you look like a turd floating around in the restroom of the varsity.

[Barefoot]

Guns will still not be allowed in bars. They will be allowed in restaurants that serve alcohol (if I remember correctly). These establishments have to make at least 50% of their money from food sales.

EDIT: this only applies to permit holders.yah i got that part off the news. i call any place that has a bar "a bar" so forgive me.

[Sport1.3]

yah i got that part off the news. i call any place that has a bar "a bar" so forgive me.

forgivin, i'm not hating i just thought it was funny :D

[Julio]

Yes, because that will stop them. How many ppl speed, or hell, drive intoxicated! :lmfao:



When was the last time you saw someone drunk @ lets say Longhorns? :rolleyes:

You can only carry your gun in restaurants.. not bars...

Is obvious, you dont have a permit and dont care like you said before.. so why are you posting in this thread ?

I understand this is the WL and ****.. but dude.... stay out if you dont care.. you voted , move on.

[tony]

I dont think anyone in ga has a conceal permit ..... In GA You can Open carry if you feel like it.
Now, With the new Bill will this change?

Whats really the proper term? I went and looked at mine and it says Georgia Firearm License. Since I don't carry I never really paid it much attention, the permit is moreso for road trips or anything out of the ordinary.

I do like the part where it can be carried in state parks now.

[Julio]

Whats really the proper term? I went and looked at mine and it says Georgia Firearm License. Since I don't carry I never really paid it much attention, the permit is moreso for road trips or anything out of the ordinary.

I do like the part where it can be carried in state parks now.


GFL... But, believe me, alot of people say "conceal" permit even though, in GA you can conceal or no..

I like the state park also....

I like The fact you can get on Marta now =]


Where is that superman chic at :ninja: :lmfao:

[Sport1.3]

When was the last time you saw someone drunk @ lets say Longhorns? :rolleyes:

You can only carry your gun in restaurants.. not bars...

Is obvious, you dont have a permit and dont care like you said before.. so why are you posting in this thread ?

I understand this is the WL and ****.. but dude.... stay out if you dont care.. you voted , move on.


:lmfao: I have been drunk myself at longhorns. Longhorn texas margaritas FTW!

:cry: i was just horsin around Dad, dont gotta be a buzz kill

[Julio]

:lmfao: I have been drunk myself at longhorns. Longhorn texas margaritas FTW!

Not surprised...




:cry: i was just horsin around Dad,


naw... sorry... almost , but the line was to long..

[Deke]

I plan (and have planned) on getting one once I get done with school, but it has absolutely nothing to do with this new bill being passed.

[Sport1.3]

Not surprised... ..


:lmfao: superiority complex much?

[gforce23]

Pubs and bars are okay since most people are ****ed or trashed anyway, but can guns be carried in high security places, such as the airport?

[turbosx©]

nope

[ShooterMcGavin]

GFL... But, believe me, alot of people say "conceal" permit even though, in GA you can conceal or no..

I like the state park also....

I like The fact you can get on Marta now =]


Where is that superman chic at :ninja: :lmfao:
yeah you can open carry, although if you do you should also be prepared to have the cops called on you, as unfortunate as that may be =/

[ShooterMcGavin]

el oh el @ julio just running over danny in this thread, maybe he's just not in a good mood? :lmao:

[On_Her_Face]

my name is billy and i'm a bad ass, so i guess that would be me.

**sorry for the non-serious response tony**

[Slow Motion]

All state permits are concealed to carry.(CCW) You should not carry an open weapon. You can but shouldn't. Your weapon should be concealed to prevent histeria or alarm. You would need a blue card to carry your weapon open.(while doing security) Unless on private property, and you have permission to do so. You cannot make money using your (CCW) permit. You need a blue card for that, given by the secretary of state. All in all, unless in uniform on the property that you are working, guns should be concealed with permit or placed in plain sight when in vehicle without permit.

I do armed security.

~fin~

Edited..not really read the chit.

[Danny]

All state permits are concealed to carry.(CCW) You should not carry an open weapon. You can but shouldn't. Your weapon should be concealed to prevent histeria or alarm. You would need a blue card to carry your weapon open. Unless on private property, and you have permission to do so. You cannot make money using your (CCW) permit. You need a blue card for that, given by the secretary of state. All in all, unless in uniform on the property that you are working, guns should be concealed with permit or placed in plain sight when in vehicle without permit.

I do armed security.

~fin~

thats no where in Georgia law. Georgia does NOT have CCWs.

GFL holders can OPEN carry at their discretion, although its not a wise choice in my opinion.

[Nitro]

GUN THUG CREW of IA FTW. Who carries, raise you gun and be accounted for.


*raises hand*

[Julio]

All state permits are concealed to carry.(CCW) You should not carry an open weapon. You can but shouldn't. Your weapon should be concealed to prevent histeria or alarm. You would need a blue card to carry your weapon open.(while doing security) Unless on private property, and you have permission to do so. You cannot make money using your (CCW) permit. You need a blue card for that, given by the secretary of state. All in all, unless in uniform on the property that you are working, guns should be concealed with permit or placed in plain sight when in vehicle without permit.

I do armed security.

~fin~

Edited..not really read the chit.



I dont know where you got that garbage from.. but thats not GA law...

I dont OC anyways.. Unless I stop at a store and I feel weird and ****...

[Danny]

I dont know where you got that garbage from.. but thats not GA law...

I dont OC anyways.. Unless I stop at a store and I feel weird and ****...

(general comment)

yea i NEVER open carry, its stupid in all situations in my opinion. Majority GFL holders are untrained, and the biggest advantage they have is the element of surprise, soon as you open carry you instantly loose your greatest tool: surprise. Not to mention, in any sort of "stick up"/ hostage situation, robbery ect.. you instantly and willingly identify yourself as a huge threat to the bad guys and will likely be delt with accordingly. Not smart in my eyes.

[ShooterMcGavin]

All state permits are concealed to carry.(CCW) You should not carry an open weapon. You can but shouldn't. Your weapon should be concealed to prevent histeria or alarm. You would need a blue card to carry your weapon open.(while doing security) Unless on private property, and you have permission to do so. You cannot make money using your (CCW) permit. You need a blue card for that, given by the secretary of state. All in all, unless in uniform on the property that you are working, guns should be concealed with permit or placed in plain sight when in vehicle without permit.

I do armed security.

~fin~

Edited..not really read the chit.

wow, so many holes in that i'm not even touching it, just going to let it sink...

[collins]

Pubs and bars are okay since most people are ****ed or trashed anyway, but can guns be carried in high security places, such as the airport? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the most retarded question of the day award goes tooooooooooooo............

gforce23!!!!!!

[Jaimecbr900]

Some of you guys should really just ask questions for people with some REAL knowledge to answer on this subject. This is exactly why there are soooo many people that go on the "gun control" bandwagon......due to stupid and false information.


Here we go, so some of you will STOP passing along INCORRECT information to the masses that THINK you know what the hell you're talking about when you DON'T.......READ it all for yourself and learn something (can yall tell this a pet peeve of mine???? :D ):

The statues as it pertains to concealed carry:

§ 16-11-126. Carrying a concealed weapon


(a) A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon when such person knowingly has or carries about his or her person, unless in an open manner and fully exposed to view, any bludgeon, metal knuckles, firearm, knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character outside of his or her home or place of business, except as permitted under this Code section.

(b) Upon conviction of the offense of carrying a concealed weapon, a person shall be punished as follows:

(1) For the first offense, he or she shall be guilty of a misdemeanor; and

(2) For the second offense, and for any subsequent offense, he or she shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be imprisoned for not less than two years and not more than five years.

(c) This Code section shall not permit, outside of his or her home, motor vehicle, or place of business, the concealed carrying of a pistol, revolver, or concealable firearm by any person unless that person has on his or her person a valid license issued under Code Section 16-11-129 and the pistol, revolver, or firearm may only be carried in a shoulder holster, waist belt holster, any other holster, hipgrip, or any other similar device, in which event the weapon may be concealed by the person's clothing, or a handbag, purse, attache case, briefcase, or other closed container. Carrying on the person in a concealed manner other than as provided in this subsection shall not be permitted and shall be a violation of this Code section.

(d) This Code section shall not forbid the transportation of any firearm by a person who is not among those enumerated as ineligible for a license under Code Section 16-11-129, provided the firearm is enclosed in a case, unloaded, and separated from its ammunition. This Code section shall not forbid any person who is not among those enumerated as ineligible for a license under Code Section 16-11-129 from transporting a loaded firearm in any private passenger motor vehicle in an open manner and fully exposed to view or in the glove compartment, console, or similar compartment of the vehicle; provided, however, that any person in possession of a valid permit issued pursuant to Code Section 16-11-129 may carry a handgun in any location in a motor vehicle.

(e) On and after October 1, 1996, a person licensed to carry a handgun in any state whose laws recognize and give effect within such state to a license issued pursuant to this part shall be authorized to carry a handgun in this state, but only while the licensee is not a resident of this state; provided, however, that such license holder shall carry the handgun in compliance with the laws of this state.

The statues as it pertains to carrying to "public gatherings":

§ 16-11-127. Carrying deadly weapons to or at public gatherings; affirmative defenses


(a) Except as provided in Code Section 16-11-127.1, a person is guilty of a misdemeanor when he or she carries to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense.

(b) For the purpose of this Code section, "public gathering" shall include, but shall not be limited to, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, or establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises. Nothing in this Code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to carry such firearm by this part.

(c) This Code section shall not apply to competitors participating in organized sport shooting events. Law enforcement officers, peace officers retired from state or federal law enforcement agencies, judges, magistrates, solicitors-general, and district attorneys may carry pistols in publicly owned or operated buildings.

(d) It is an affirmative defense to a violation of this Code section if a person notifies a law enforcement officer or other person employed to provide security for a public gathering of the presence of such item as soon as possible after learning of its presence and surrenders or secures such item as directed by the law enforcement officer or other person employed to provide security for a public gathering.

The statues as it pertains to carrying WITHOUT a license:

§ 16-11-128. Carrying pistol without license


(a) A person commits the offense of carrying a pistol without a license when he has or carries on or about his person, outside of his home, motor vehicle, or place of business, any pistol or revolver without having on his person a valid license issued by the judge of the probate court of the county in which he resides, provided that no permit shall be required for persons with a valid hunting or fishing license on their person or for persons not required by law to have hunting licenses who are engaged in legal hunting, fishing, or sport shooting when the persons have the permission of the owner of the land on which the activities are being conducted; provided, further, that the pistol or revolver, whenever loaded, shall be carried only in an open and fully exposed manner.

(b) Upon conviction of the offense of carrying a pistol without a license, a person shall be punished as follows:

(1) For the first offense, he shall be guilty of a misdemeanor; and

(2) For the second offense, and for any subsequent offense, he is guilty of a felony, and, upon conviction thereof, shall be imprisoned for not less than one year nor more than five years.

(c) On and after October 1, 1996, a person licensed to carry a handgun in any state whose laws recognize and give effect within such state to a license issued pursuant to this part shall be authorized to carry a handgun in this state, but only while the licensee is not a resident of this state; provided, however, that such license holder shall carry the handgun in compliance with the laws of this state

The statues as they pertain to possesion of firearm by minors:

§ 16-11-132. Possession of pistol or revolver by person under the age of 18 years


(a)(1) For the purposes of this Code section, the term "pistol" or "revolver" means a firearm of any description, loaded or unloaded, from which any shot, bullet, or other missile can be discharged where the length of the barrel, not including any revolving, detachable, or magazine breech, does not exceed 12 inches; provided, however, that the term pistol or revolver shall not include a gun which discharges shot of .46 centimeters or less in diameter.

(2) For the purposes of this Code section, a pistol or revolver is considered loaded if:

(A) There is a cartridge in the chamber or cylinder of the pistol or revolver;

(B) The person is carrying on his or her body or attached to his or her clothing the pistol or revolver and the ammunition for such pistol or revolver; or

(C) The pistol or revolver and the ammunition for such pistol or revolver are in such close proximity to such person that such person could readily gain access to the pistol or revolver and the ammunition and load the pistol or revolver.

(b) Notwithstanding any other provisions of this part and except as otherwise provided in this Code section, it shall be unlawful for any person under the age of 18 years to possess or have under such person's control a pistol or revolver. A person convicted of a first violation of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not to exceed $1,000.00 or by imprisonment for not more than 12 months, or both. A person convicted of a second or subsequent violation of this subsection shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punished by a fine of $5,000.00 or by imprisonment for a period of three years, or both.

(c) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (d) of this Code section, the provisions of subsection (b) of this Code section shall not apply to:

(1) Any person under the age of 18 years who is:

(A) Attending a hunter education course or a firearms safety course;

(B) Engaging in practice in the use of a firearm or target shooting at an established range authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction where such range is located;

(C) Engaging in an organized competition involving the use of a firearm or participating in or practicing for a performance by an organized group under 26 U.S.C. Section 501(c)(3) which uses firearms as a part of such performance;

(D) Hunting or fishing pursuant to a valid license if such person has in his or her possession such a valid hunting or fishing license if required; is engaged in legal hunting or fishing; has permission of the owner of the land on which the activities are being conducted; and the pistol or revolver, whenever loaded, is carried only in an open and fully exposed manner; or

(E) Traveling to or from any activity described in subparagraphs (A) through (D) of this paragraph if the pistol or revolver in such person's possession is not loaded;

(2) Any person under the age of 18 years who is on real property under the control of such person's parent, legal guardian, or grandparent and who has the permission of such person's parent or legal guardian to possess a pistol or revolver; or

(3) Any person under the age of 18 years who is at such person's residence and who, with the permission of such person's parent or legal guardian, possesses a pistol or revolver for the purpose of exercising the rights authorized in Code Section 16-3-21 or 16-3-23.

(d) Subsection (c) of this Code section shall not apply to any person under the age of 18 years who has been convicted of a forcible felony or forcible misdemeanor, as defined in Code Section 16-1-3, or who has been adjudicated delinquent under the provisions of Article 1 of Chapter 11 of Title 15 for an offense which would constitute a forcible felony or forcible misdemeanor, as defined in Code Section 16-1-3, if such person were an adult.


For those that think this new bill suddenly let's you go all "OK corral" all of a sudden....:rolleyes: ......the statues as they pertain to discharging of a firearms while intoxicated:

§ 16-11-134. Discharging firearm while under the influence of alcohol or drugs


(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge a firearm while:

(1) Under the influence of alcohol or any drug or any combination of alcohol and any drug to the extent that it is unsafe for the person to discharge such firearm except in the defense of life, health, and property;

(2) The person's alcohol concentration is 0.08 grams or more at any time while discharging such firearm or within three hours after such discharge of such firearm from alcohol consumed before such discharge ended; or

(3) Subject to the provisions of subsection (b) of this Code section, there is any amount of marijuana or a controlled substance, as defined in Code Section 16-13-21, present in the person's blood or urine, or both, including the metabolites and derivatives of each or both without regard to whether or not any alcohol is present in the person's breath or blood.

(b) The fact that any person charged with violating this Code section is or has been legally entitled to use a drug shall not constitute a defense against any charge of violating this Code section; provided, however, that such person shall not be in violation of this Code section unless such person is rendered incapable of possessing or discharging a firearm safely as a result of using a drug other than alcohol which such person is legally entitled to use.

(c) Any person convicted of violating subsection (a) of this Code section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature.





ANY MORE STUPID INFORMATION AND I'LL GO BALLISTIC ON THE GUN CONTROL TREE HUGGING HIPPIE. GOT IT?????? :ninja:

[Jaimecbr900]

Here are the current prices and procedures for getting your permit in Gwinnett County:


http://www.georgiapacking.org/gfl2.php?id=66&submit=Go

You can search for your county, if different, by using the drop down menu at the top left of the same page.

I renewed mine a few months back and it took a grand ole 10 days for me get it back in the mail. I've heard some other counties take forever, but I've never had any issues in Gwinnett at all. :goodjob:

[Miranda]

You realize that only about 0.2% of cops in GA have any idea what our gun control laws are? How you gonna expect the whoreslounge to have half a clue?

[stillaneon]

Is there one for can't carry??

[Miranda]

Is there one for can't carry??
like aside from for having a felony conviction?

[stillaneon]

Well the felony conviction is what I meant.

Needless to say, mistake that I am recovering from. Will be expunged in a few years and off my record. But I know there are others on here who cant carry a gun.

Felonies or children. A lot of people have spouses who wont allow them too because they feel uncomfortable or dont want to raise their children around them...

[Jaimecbr900]

You realize that only about 0.2% of cops in GA have any idea what our gun control laws are? How you gonna expect the whoreslounge to have half a clue?

Actually all LEO's have to take a course on the applicable gun statues, so they should ALL have atleast some idea. The laws have not changed in quite some time, just different provisions (much like the reason for this thread) have been added to it over the years.

[ShooterMcGavin]

You realize that only about 0.2% of cops in GA have any idea what our gun control laws are? How you gonna expect the whoreslounge to have half a clue?
gee you make us sound so smart here, who's the meanie now? :tongue1:

[Danny]

http://www.dannykay.net/misc/Gun Law Summary.pdf


thats a file i made last year, it will need updating in a month to incorporate HB89. Like I said I made it, so its subject to error (use at your own risk). But its the best I could come up with, and I have researched GA law quite alot. I have it printed out and keep it in the car :D

[Jaimecbr900]

Link is not working for me Danny. I'd love to see it. :goodjob:

[Danny]

Link is not working for me Danny. I'd love to see it. :goodjob:


was workin for me. try it now.

[Jaimecbr900]

Nah bud. Still not working for me. It's probably this computer though. I'll try it when I get home tonight. :goodjob:

[Miranda]

Actually all LEO's have to take a course on the applicable gun statues, so they should ALL have atleast some idea. The laws have not changed in quite some time, just different provisions (much like the reason for this thread) have been added to it over the years.
I can guarantee you that hardly any of them know what the laws are. Local level law enforcement officers are not required to know anything beyond their own version of basic training, which is laughable at best. As one of the undergrad research projects for my CJ degree, I got involved with a study that was surveying local law enforcement awareness on a slew of community policing-oriented topics (which was, in some respects, in response to the botched police no-knock raid). More frightening than the lack of consistent knowledge about applicable gun statutes (most of that knowledge being from whatever pocket size statute guide the particular officer happened to have invested in) was the often completely erroneous understanding of probable cause searches and other matters of pre-arrest due process protocols.

These are the reasons there needs to be a bigger push for the "careerification," as it were, of policing... so that higher education and a more accurate understanding of the law becomes the norm, rather than the exception.

[quickdodge®]

I can guarantee you that hardly any of them know what the laws are.

Too easy. No bets here. Later, QD.

[Danny]

These are the reasons there needs to be a bigger push for the "careerification," as it were, of policing... so that higher education and a more accurate understanding of the law becomes the norm, rather than the exception.


There are a million things wrong in this world, most of us understand the problem but few of us have solutions. Stating the obvious is easy, but whats your realistic solution to the problem at hand?

I know I do not have a solution, I would love to see more educated police, but unfortunately I cannot think of a way nor have a heard of a legitimate solution. Its quite a problem with todays LEOs.

[Miranda]

There are a million things wrong in this world, most of us understand the problem but few of us have solutions. Stating the obvious is easy, but whats your realistic solution to the problem at hand?

I know I do not have a solution, I would love to see more educated police, but unfortunately I cannot think of a way nor have a heard of a legitimate solution. Its quite a problem with todays LEOs.
The solution is simple: require higher education for police on the personnel side and put funding into community-policing programs. Education is the best thing for police. In many places, continuing education is discouraged (though often not in so many words), and that is simply because there's a portion of society that is afraid of a better educated policing system. There are arguments that go both ways, for sure, but I believe that higher education and community involvement is the future for policing. The best way to fully integrate the police with the communities they serve is by making the two accountable to each other.

Danny, I'm not sure what your background is, but there's tons of literature on the subject that supports the idea of higher education standards across the board, and there are several really meaty case studies and comparative policing models that support a community policing approach. Robbie Friedman is a great author to look at for more information. Hope that helps! :D

[Miranda]

gee you make us sound so smart here, who's the meanie now? :tongue1:

:smooch:

Consider yourself the minority, then... but you know the ones I'm talking about.

As a matter of fact, I dated an officer for a while... talk about little fat kid syndrome... he didn't know his ass from a hole in the wall, but he sure knew he wanted to get the opportunity to turn the tables and tell somebody else what to do for a change!

[quickdodge®]

So you dated a cop and now you're an authority on everything police? I went out with a manager of Burger King, but I can't say I'm a flame broiler extraordinaire. Later, QD.

[Miranda]

So you dated a cop and now you're an authority on everything police? I went out with a manager of Burger King, but I can't say I'm a flame broiler extraordinaire. Later, QD.
Well, you certainly are flaming.....

[ShooterMcGavin]

LULZ!

[quickdodge®]

Well, you certainly are flaming.....

Only those who deserve it. Later, QD.

[Julio]

The solution is simple: require higher education for police on the personnel side and put funding into community-policing programs. Education is the best thing for police. In many places, continuing education is discouraged (though often not in so many words), and that is simply because there's a portion of society that is afraid of a better educated policing system. There are arguments that go both ways, for sure, but I believe that higher education and community involvement is the future for policing. The best way to fully integrate the police with the communities they serve is by making the two accountable to each other.

Danny, I'm not sure what your background is, but there's tons of literature on the subject that supports the idea of higher education standards across the board, and there are several really meaty case studies and comparative policing models that support a community policing approach. Robbie Friedman is a great author to look at for more information. Hope that helps! :D




uhhh.. so let me get this straight.... Since you aparently studied criminal justice.. ( I started never finished , dropped out )

DO you know that most Police Officers before They become a Police officer there recruiter does reccomend them to go and take criminal justice for 2 years (min) .. They even get higher pay if they complete the 2 year min...

hnmm.. Is really up to that person to decide......

[Julio]

Oh and more funding into comminity policing programs will be lame in my book.. I will not support it.

Knowing your rights as a civilian is more important to me..

Why not spend more money in schools to teach day to day real life stuff instead of Mcbeath?

Right.....

[Danny]

The solution is simple: require higher education for police on the personnel side and put funding into community-policing programs. Education is the best thing for police. In many places, continuing education is discouraged (though often not in so many words), and that is simply because there's a portion of society that is afraid of a better educated policing system. There are arguments that go both ways, for sure, but I believe that higher education and community involvement is the future for policing. The best way to fully integrate the police with the communities they serve is by making the two accountable to each other.

Danny, I'm not sure what your background is, but there's tons of literature on the subject that supports the idea of higher education standards across the board, and there are several really meaty case studies and comparative policing models that support a community policing approach. Robbie Friedman is a great author to look at for more information. Hope that helps! :D

Appreciate the info, maybe im being foolish. But lets take APD for example, a PD that suffers from under staffing and officer turn around every few years. Im jsut not sure how raising the standards, would alleviate the problem at hand while not creating a bigger problem: even more understaffed than current conditions.

Your probably right, I should read into it a little more. But the fundamentals dont make sense to me.

edit: HPD has a 60 semester hour minimum for any officer. And they are understaffed tremendously from what I hear. Thier recruiting offers in 2008 are helping fix this problem. But they are throwing tons of money at new recruits. So i am not entirely confident its the long time solution.

[Kamelyn]

First off, GA has no CCW permit. GA has what's called a Georgia Firearms License, with this license you can carry a firearm in a holster concealed or not. The method to get a GFL is to go to your local county's probate court and apply (which includes having to be finger printed.) After you receive your license you can then carry a firearm in public areas minus where the law has already made exceptions (ie. court houses, hospitals, churches, airport, etc.)

Goto GeorgiaPacking.org (http://georgiapacking.org) to find out what located are permitted and prohibited.

With the new law in place which takes affect July 1, 2008 only GFL holders can carry in state parks, public transportation, and places of business that make more than 51% of revenue from food (ie. Longhorns, Applebee's, Outback, etc.)

[Jaimecbr900]

I can guarantee you that hardly any of them know what the laws are. Local level law enforcement officers are not required to know anything beyond their own version of basic training, which is laughable at best. As one of the undergrad research projects for my CJ degree, I got involved with a study that was surveying local law enforcement awareness on a slew of community policing-oriented topics (which was, in some respects, in response to the botched police no-knock raid). More frightening than the lack of consistent knowledge about applicable gun statutes (most of that knowledge being from whatever pocket size statute guide the particular officer happened to have invested in) was the often completely erroneous understanding of probable cause searches and other matters of pre-arrest due process protocols.

These are the reasons there needs to be a bigger push for the "careerification," as it were, of policing... so that higher education and a more accurate understanding of the law becomes the norm, rather than the exception.

No disrespect since I don't know you, but all that was a bunch of hog wash IMO.

I KNOW for a fact that LEOs are REQUIRED in order to receive their certification to take a ton of tests. One of those tests is about gun laws. I know this as fact. So if they forget or cheated during that test, they are no different than 99% of any other graduate. But for someone to come out and say that LEOs don't know about "gun laws" is really not accurate at all.

Bottomline is that if someone took the time to read this very thread, they would know the lion's share of what they need to know about applicable GA gun laws.....and this is only after a few days of a bunch of us posting back and forth. LEOs take hours worth of classroom and real life training about this very subject. The laws really haven't changed over the years at their core, so really there isn't that much to have to remember so long as you keep up with current events.

[Julio]

First off, GA has no CCW permit. GA has what's called a Georgia Firearms License, with this license you can carry a firearm in a holster concealed or not. The method to get a GFL is to go to your local county's probate court and apply (which includes having to be finger printed.) After you receive your license you can then carry a firearm in public areas minus where the law has already made exceptions (ie. court houses, hospitals, churches, airport, etc.)

Goto GeorgiaPacking.org (http://georgiapacking.org) to find out what located are permitted and prohibited.

With the new law in place which takes affect July 1, 2008 only GFL holders can carry in state parks, public transportation, and places of business that make more than 51% of revenue from food (ie. Longhorns, Applebee's, Outback, etc.)




Why did you post this again? It has pretty much already been said.. lol :tongue1:

[Catnip]

I'm just a regular badass, no billy in my title.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Why did you post this again? It has pretty much already been said.. lol :tongue1:
looks like he's trying to up his post count :D

[81911SC]

:women:

[TheGodfather]

Even though this isn't my state, I am getting my concealed weapons permit in a few months.

They recently changed the FL laws to allow you to have it at the workplace.