Mini-me Swap questions?

[N/A EK]

Ok, im new to the honda side.


I just recently purchased my first honda (91 dx hatch). The car already has a swap with a d16a6 OBD0 (91 crx Si). There is nothing wrong with the motor thats in it, its just high milage (160k+). So recently i found a good deal on a d16z6 full swap out of a 92-95 civic ex. The guy will let me take out everything thats necessery for the swap (OBD1 ecu(p28), the whole wiring,tranny,manifold,fuel rail etc...)



So my question now is?
Will I need any additional parts to complete the swap? Im just trying to get some more info before I buy.



Thanks in advance

[AnthonyF]

how much is that whole setup? Compare that price with a full B series swap's price. B series is where you want to go. Swapping a D for another D isnt much of an improvement.

-Ant.

[Sammich]

yea i dont see the reason for a 'mini me swap'

[N/A EK]

how much is that whole setup? Compare that price with a full B series swap's price. B series is where you want to go. Swapping a D for another D isnt much of an improvement.

-Ant.

Its not even close to for what a b series swap is:no:

[N/A EK]

yea i dont see the reason for a 'mini me swap'


Little more power out of the z6. Plus the speedo cable in my tranny is broken off and its inpossible to take it out, someone did a crappy wiring job when they did the swap and it just looks like hell when I open the hood. To get some parts fixed on my hatch I will spend around like $200-$250. Why not get a little more powerfull swap for about the same amount of money + its low milage compared to mine :D

[AnthonyF]

^will you be doing all the work or paying some1 else? Thats a lot of labor for an extra 10 hp.

-Ant.

[N/A EK]

^will you be doing all the work or paying some1 else? Thats a lot of labor for an extra 10 hp.

-Ant.


Me and my buddy will do it.

[Sammich]

hmmm ok

[N/A EK]

bump

[2rotor]

some things you should know (you didnt mention):
you'll have to swap the whole hydraulic system for the clutch, or get a conversion kit (lever assembly in place of the slave cylinder), not sure if they make one for d-series, dont see why not, they make it for Bs (maybe it interchanges?) and im almost positive the transmission mount is different too.

the speedometer for the S20 trans (Z6 manual transmission) is electric, not cable. your cluster wont work with it.

youre going to need
instrument cluster,
clutch pedal and bracket,
clutch master cylinder,
clutch hydraulics,
the whole longblock,
all the wiring, might as well get everything (fuse box and all)
all the mounts,
the ECU/ECM

i think thats all.

[Code-Aye]

use the a6 tranny unless you are converting to obd1, cause the z6 is hydro, and not cable

[wOZrally]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/2147115

[N/A EK]

use the a6 tranny unless you are converting to obd1, cause the z6 is hydro, and not cable

I dont wanna use my tranny cuz of the speedo cable being broken inside and its inpossible to get it out.



http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/2147115

that link doesnt work. I already checked honda-tech, but all they have is swaping a z6 head on a a6 block... they dont have a write up for a full z6 swap.

[N/A EK]

Damnn

I have this also posted on H-T and im getting so MANY DIFFERENT asnwers that this **** is all confusing me. I think I have only 2 options now


1. Get it and play with until I get it to work or
2. Dont get it and move on.

[dumpdaccord]

use your si tranny or trade the z6 trans. for a working si(i would of traded had i not sold it a couple weeks back) and get the conversion harness from obd0 to obd 1...

use z6 ecu,dizzy and motor...

[green91]

Remove the entire speed sensor where the cable slides into the trans and you should be able to get the cable out with it out of the car.

Use the cable SI trans to make it easy on yourself. You will need to use the cable speedo in the trans anyway unless u wanna convert clusters etc for electronic vss.

the d16z6 will bolt in very easily with the a6 cable trans, you will need to modify the driver side timing cover and use the ORIGINAL a6 engine mount on that side. the other 3 mounts are on the transmission. use the stock SI harness on the d16z6.

[green91]

if youve got serious questions feel free to PM me, ive got this same swap myself and have done multiple others unlike the multitude of people in this thread spreading false information

[N/A EK]

Remove the entire speed sensor where the cable slides into the trans and you should be able to get the cable out with it out of the car.

Use the cable SI trans to make it easy on yourself. You will need to use the cable speedo in the trans anyway unless u wanna convert clusters etc for electronic vss.

the d16z6 will bolt in very easily with the a6 cable trans, you will need to modify the driver side timing cover and use the ORIGINAL a6 engine mount on that side. the other 3 mounts are on the transmission. use the stock SI harness on the d16z6.


Look whats inside my tranny.


Where the speedo cable goes. How the **** can I get that piece out???
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj212/TOPspecV/speedocable3.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj212/TOPspecV/speedocable.jpg

[green91]

is that a portion of the actual cable VSS thats broken off? It can still be removed but you'll have the disassemble the trans.

[N/A EK]

is that a portion of the actual cable VSS thats broken off? It can still be removed but you'll have the disassemble the trans.


Yeah its a pieace of the cable, well actually thats what it looks like lol.

[green91]

The transmission actually has a piece like this that bolts on and is driven by the differential, and your cable actually slides into this piece.

http://www.b17gsr.ca/swaps/itr_88crxsi/VSS_cable.jpg

im saying you should be able to unbolt that and slide it out and then either replace it or get the cable out of that.

[N/A EK]

The transmission actually has a piece like this that bolts on and is driven by the differential, and your cable actually slides into this piece.

http://www.b17gsr.ca/swaps/itr_88crxsi/VSS_cable.jpg

im saying you should be able to unbolt that and slide it out and then either replace it or get the cable out of that.

Yeah I guess im gonna have to take it apart then and try to get it out. Thanks for the info.:goodjob:

[green91]

Not a prob, if you cant get the cable out of that piece then you should probably just find another one, but its not worth replacing your entire trans over.

[green91]

BTW that piece has like 1 bolt holding it in, it should be easy to take out in the car.

[N/A EK]

^^ Alright , ill get the tranny off probably this weekend and see whats going on.

[green91]

You should be able to do it without removing the trans

[N/A EK]

You should be able to do it without removing the trans

But I dont see no bolts around it or anything, I would do it right now since I got free time. Let me go back to the garage and check one more time.

[N/A EK]

Here is a pic that I just took of whats down there. This shi* is all rusted


http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj212/TOPspecV/tranny.jpg

[green91]

i think that the VSS is actually broken off into your trans.. it will require trans disassembly to get it out and it may not even come out, have you ever taken a trans apart before?

[N/A EK]

i think that the VSS is actually broken off into your trans.. it will require trans disassembly to get it out and it may not even come out, have you ever taken a trans apart before?


Yeah a few of them. But not on a honda.

[green91]

From that pic it looks like the vss shaft is broken off inside the trans case. Youve gotta pull the main/countershaft, shift forks and diff out to even access it, so its a pretty heavy job but not to bad if youve got trans experience.. if the shaft is seized into the case though its probably gonna be hell getting it out

[N/A EK]

From that pic it looks like the vss shaft is broken off inside the trans case. Youve gotta pull the main/countershaft, shift forks and diff out to even access it, so its a pretty heavy job but not to bad if youve got trans experience.. if the shaft is seized into the case though its probably gonna be hell getting it out


Yeah I know, see thats why I just wanted a new tranny so I dont fu*k with this sh*t.

[green91]

Yea sorry i didnt understand exactly what you were working with. But definitely stick with another cable trans and get the d16z6.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

1. wire tuck.
2. swap.
3. boost.

:D

[N/A EK]

1. wire tuck.
2. swap.
3. boost.

:D


1. mayb
2.yes
3. deff. not

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

boooooooo

[MistaCee]

Don't do a d series swap man. Save up your cash and bet a B, you will not be disappointed.

[green91]

I hated my b-series. d16z6 FTW