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JITB
05-05-2008, 07:20 PM
pulled from the protege forums... hope its not a repost..


http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2008/W17/042520082137103877.jpg

Behind closed doors, far from the public's eye, an anonymous source at Mazda revealed to one of our spies in Japan that there will be another rotary-engine car coming from the Hiroshima-based company. It's still early, but a team is being assembled as you read this to produce such a car. The basis for the future car — we have yet to confirm if it will be called the RX-7 — is the 16X rotary engine, unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show last year. The 16X is an all-new Wankel — an evolution of the Renesis 13B powerplant in the RX-8 — with a revised eccentric shaft designed to produce more low-end torque. While Mazda hasn't published horsepower figures yet, we hear it's in the neighborhood of 200–250 bhp.

Because of the increase in torque, there probably won't be a turbocharged version of the 16X, at least not in the beginning. But our source went on to say that Mazda is still experimenting with forced induction. So, our first glimpse of the 16X will not be in a pure high-performance sports car like the last RX-7, discontinued more than a decade ago in the U.S., but rather something along the lines of the original RX-7 — an affordable, user-friendly sports car that was nimble and fun to drive.

Does this mean that the RX-8's days are numbered? Probably so. It's hard to imagine a small company like Mazda with two rotary cars in its lineup. It's also hard to imagine such a company having two 2-seat sports cars unless its name happens to be Lamborghini or Lotus.

With the MX-5 firmly established in Mazda's lineup, the new rotary-powered car will most likely be a 2+2 with distinct sports-car styling. That it will be built on an extended MX-5 platform is a given, which means it will share the dimensions and proportions of the Kabura concept car. Expect upper-and-lower A-arm suspension systems at both ends, as well as a low curb weight, something south of the 3000-lb. mark.

The expected on-sale date of the new-generation rotary car is 2010 to 2011, according to our source. Price? It's still too early to say, but Mazda's aim is to bring it in under $30,000.

EJ25RUN
05-05-2008, 07:23 PM
16x = 1.6 Liter?

gforce23
05-05-2008, 07:27 PM
Meh.. there is no doubt that a cheap RX7 would be a dark killer but that styling looks "unMazda-ish"..

Revmaynard
05-05-2008, 07:28 PM
Looks like a modded rx-8 really, which makes sense right now. If they go more the 7 styling with it and have a low price on it, it's definitely going to be a contender in the tuner market.

OneSlow5pt0
05-05-2008, 07:42 PM
looks good,but screams RX-8 as u said....if they get it under 2800 pounds it will be sick

90_ACCORD
05-05-2008, 07:45 PM
yeah reminds me of an RX-8
i love how the RX-7's r now
not bad looking tho

OneSlow5pt0
05-05-2008, 07:46 PM
not that looking like RX-8 is bad,i think the RX-8 is a great looking car,even better with the update

kfzemx3
05-05-2008, 08:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPkqzRDsoD8

FasTech
05-05-2008, 08:28 PM
It really favors the RX-8, but Its a nice looking car. I want to see some interior pictures of it.

EL_DISTROYEL
05-05-2008, 10:53 PM
finally they coming back with the rx7 because the rx8 sucks real bad to slow

JITB
05-05-2008, 11:11 PM
finally they coming back with the rx7 because the rx8 sucks real bad to slow


real slow great input

gforce23
05-05-2008, 11:43 PM
finally they coming back with the rx7 because the rx8 sucks real bad to slow
It may be slow but it definitely handles better than your Civic. :goodjob:

Alanฎ
05-06-2008, 01:22 AM
looks good,but screams RX-8 as u said....if they get it under 2800 pounds it will be sick
I got $20 on the curb weight being right around 3200-3500

EL_DISTROYEL
05-06-2008, 03:32 PM
i drive my 92 civic because is a gas saver but i'm real faithful to my 3 rx7. 87 turbo 2, 88 gxl , 84 gs . the Rx8 they look ok but the engine sucks you can do nothing in Puerto Rico what they do they buy an Rx8 and swap the engine for a turbo 2 or a b20 cosmo

JITB
05-06-2008, 03:38 PM
i drive my 92 civic because is a gas saver but i'm real faithful to my 3 rx7. 87 turbo 2, 88 gxl , 84 gs . the Rx8 they look ok but the engine sucks you can do nothing in Puerto Rico what they do they buy an Rx8 and swap the engine for a turbo 2 or a b20 cosmo

i just think thats from the lack of knowledge on the renesis... not from worthlessness. The renesis being a na rotary makes alot more power than the old na 13b.

EL_DISTROYEL
05-06-2008, 03:50 PM
13b can make aloooottt of hp if you know how to do a good set up last time i went back home they had 13b engines doing 6sec

EJ25RUN
05-06-2008, 03:51 PM
The renesis being a na rotary makes alot more power than the old na 13b.

A typical NA 2.4L = ~ 200hp.

Renesis NA 1.3L = 178 hp compared to 125 hp from the 1991 13b,

that's 40% increase from no displacement gain. That's genius!

http://www.rx7.com/images/rx7rx8_comparo.gif

JITB
05-06-2008, 04:01 PM
13b can make aloooottt of hp if you know how to do a good set up last time i went back home they had 13b engines doing 6sec


13b has been whored out....its very well known..i think all the secrets have been found. Time to move on to the renesis... :cheers:

Footefan52
05-06-2008, 04:10 PM
I like the idea of bringing the rotary back just make it better.

Oh and there is no real reason to bring displacement into the rotary argument.

EL_DISTROYEL
05-06-2008, 04:14 PM
13b has been whored out....its very well known..i think all the secrets have been found. Time to move on to the renesis... :cheers:

both of them have the same funtions rotor housings but theres no one out there that has and rx8 that can go lower than 11sec, everybody know the basic secrets of a 13b but theres to many secrets that people dont know and there way to many to list that you wont find on the internet or a book rx8 engine is good but not for racing maybe in the future

JDMirza
05-07-2008, 07:44 PM
RX7's = Sick.

Just way tooooo... pricey for my budget.