09 gtr crash pics

[rickgiblin]

so... how about this for all you nissan lovers. sad to say but heres the third nissan gtr that i know about to crash bad

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos083/exotics/2gtr_20080315_001.jpg (http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos083/exotics/2gtr_20080315_002.shtml)



http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos083/exotics/2gtr_20080315_001.shtml

[jew_boy]

either these cars suck or ppl just can drive

[yogi08]

i believe someone ran into him...

[FasTech]

either these cars suck or ppl just can drive

They suck, compared to the other GT-R models... Oh and most people can't drive....lol

[AnthonyF]

stupid Nissan owners...when will they realize Nissan doesnt mean "Greatest handling car that will never ever crash"

IMO, he deserves that. Anyone paying 100k for a Nissan that isnt a damn race car is an idiot

[AnTi-PooN]

isnt a race car?

[Catnip]

isnt a race car?

hard to comprehend?

[AnthonyF]

hard to comprehend?i assume so.

[mp5o]

Anyone paying 100k for a Nissan that isnt a damn race car is an idiot

Huh...? Ever looked at the road tests of that car? The numbers are truly amazing...

[AnthonyF]

Huh...? Ever looked at the road tests of that car? The numbers are truly amazing...
for 100k dollars? The ACR viper is UNDER 100k, well you know what....I dont need to talk highly of the '08 ACR...it speaks for itself. :goodjob:

Sorry..the GTR, plain and simple, Is OVERRATED.

[Elbow]

for 100k dollars? The ACR viper is UNDER 100k, well you know what....I dont need to talk highly of the '08 ACR...it speaks for itself. :goodjob:

Sorry..the GTR, plain and simple, Is OVERRATED.

YES IT IS OVERRATED :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

[HachiDori]

Looks like he hit a pole, ha! another one!

[nismo_b14]

stupid as fawk

[81911SC]

Sorry..the GTR, plain and simple, Is OVERRATED.
I agree, except for the "Sorry" part. Plus, it looks better like this then from the factory.

[ironchef]

for 100k dollars? The ACR viper is UNDER 100k, well you know what....I dont need to talk highly of the '08 ACR...it speaks for itself. :goodjob:

Sorry..the GTR, plain and simple, Is OVERRATED.Where are you getting this 100k figure? The GT-R starts at $69k msrp.

[81911SC]

Where are you getting this 100k figure? The GT-R starts at $69k msrp.
There.

[ironchef]

There.And ends at $72k, so whats your point again?

[koukis14]

81911 I love ya but I really don't know how you can call a car that outperforms cars that cost up to 4 times as much as it overrated. And can be comfortably daily driven.

[ironchef]

81911 I love ya but I really don't know how you can call a car that outperforms cars that cost up to 4 times as much as it overrated. And can be comfortably daily driven.He's probably butt hurt that the GT-R can outperform a Porsche, unthinkable I know.

[koukis14]

He's probably butt hurt that the GT-R can outperform a Porsche, unthinkable I know.


I was trying not to attack his fan boysness.......pretty much because I am a Nissan fanboy

[EJ25RUN]

sorry, i posted this the day it happened.

[81911SC]

He's probably butt hurt that the GT-R can outperform a Porsche, unthinkable I know.
Nope, I personally just dislike it.
Kouki, I :love: you too. I like a manual, a sexy car and less computer shiit.
I agree, it's faster then most Porsches. That's fine. The Turbo has been out for a few years, no problem.

[ironchef]

Don't get me wrong, I think 911s are pretty dope cars, especially the new GT2s. But never the less, a GT-R will out perform a 911 turbo for almost half the price.

[81911SC]

Don't get me wrong, I think 911s are pretty dope cars, especially the new GT2s. But never the less, a GT-R will out perform a 911 turbo for almost half the price.
and half the style. Not to most on here though.

[ironchef]

Style is subjective, where as performance isn't.

[koukis14]

I like a manual. I agree it should be an option.

[81911SC]

Style is subjective, where as performance isn't.
It's also a big deal to most.

[81911SC]

I agree it should be an option.
Porsche still offers a manual, like a company should. :goodjob:

[ironchef]

Personally, I think the GT-R looks pretty good, the front could use a little tweaking, but overall not bad. Though I have a wide ranging taste, I think the Fiat 500's look cool haha.

[81911SC]

Personally, I think the GT-R looks pretty good, the front could use a little tweaking, but overall not bad. Though I have a wide ranging taste, I think the Fiat 500's look cool haha.
Exactly. lolol Just my :2cents: not like it matters. :goodjob:

[new_driver03]

that sucks

[Brown Man]

stupid Nissan owners...

:yes:

[Elbow]

Don't get me wrong, I think 911s are pretty dope cars, especially the new GT2s. But never the less, a GT-R will out perform a 911 turbo for almost half the price.

I bet if you had a GTR, and I had a GT2, I would beat you. Bolt a few goodies on the Porsche and be even faster. PLUS Porsche or Nissan...hmmm...what kind of question is that? I would take a dead stock 914 over a GTR

[Elbow]

And ends at $72k, so whats your point again?

If you want a GTR right NOW I bet it will cost more then 72k

[ironchef]

I bet if you had a GTR, and I had a GT2, I would beat you. Bolt a few goodies on the Porsche and be even faster. PLUS Porsche or Nissan...hmmm...what kind of question is that? I would take a dead stock 914 over a GTRWell no ****, GT-R was designed to compete with the 911 Turbo. GT2 is lighter, faster, and more powerful compared to the 911 turbo.

As far as bolting on a few goodies, thats a useless argument. Do the same thing to the GT-R and it also will be faster, what a surprise.

[95alty]

Don't get me wrong, I think 911s are pretty dope cars, especially the new GT2s. But never the less, a GT-R will out perform a 911 turbo for almost half the price.

But for almost 20k cheaper you can get a new M5 and spank the GTR in every aspect.... HMMMMMM... i still think the GTR is overpriced

[ironchef]

Hmm GT-R faster than 911 Turbo, and 911 Turbo faster than M5, so me thinks GT-R faster than M5?

[ATK_Designs]

lol...I'm sure for the money, GT-R outclasses every car there is.


It's the mark ups on these that makes it seems overrated. People needs to understand that the GT-R itself IS NOT overpriced. It's the Freaking US dealers. People need to get their facts right.

lol, and where the hell do people see that the M5 spanks the GT-R and GT3? lol....Sorry, be the only cars that's in the closest price range and has potentials to outperform the GT-R are the Porsche GTs.


Btw, independent tests proved that BMW's new GODLY M3 performed POORLY against the GT-R. But it's also costs MORE than the GT-R.

Again, when comparing, people needs to compare apples to apples. I'm no Nissan Fan Boy. I'm just an unbiased car enthusiasts. I speaks the same for any other cars that I know of.

[Got Milk?]

m5 over the GTR any day imo

[Elbow]

M5...no.

And sorry not GT2 I mean 911 turbo.

[81911SC]

lol...I'm sure for the money, GT-R outclasses every car there is.
I wouldn't say "outclasses".
Nissans are Nissans. Take that how you want. Wether from your eyes or the general consensus, it's a Nissan.

[81911SC]

I would take a dead stock 914 over a GTR
:bowdown: Someone who agrees with me. :goodjob:

[man]

81911 I love ya but I really don't know how you can call a car that outperforms cars that cost up to 4 times as much as it overrated

All the cars Nissan is comparing it to are 5+ years old. Not to mention, the cheap price really shows when you look past the performance.

[81911SC]

All the cars Nissan is comparing it to are 5+ years old
Well the 997 TT is not but it is a couple.

[man]

Well the 997 TT is not but it is a couple.

But it is also not 4 times the price and it is 4 times nicer, inside and out.

[81911SC]

That is true.

[LS2ner]

repost

[EJ25RUN]

Read this over a bit.

The most rewarding car you can drive is a 911.

95% of the people on this site don't really know how to drive on a track so the only "outperforming cars that cost up to 4 times as much" you'll be doing is parked in traffic.

For the Fanboys....the GTR has 45 years to get on the level of a 911.

[AnthonyF]

this thread sucks.

[SlowsterCivy]

Geez. That's horrible.

[EJ25RUN]

this thread sucks.

Mustang owner says what?

J/K LOL

[JITB]

i cant stand, how people always find any reason to discredit a car. I mean literally pick apart every aspect of it......the gtr has prettymuch done what it said nissan would do so far. Form making good power, to making great track times. times are changing this is they are making cars full of technology, to make them better. Alot of the technology u monkeys complain about in the gtr, has been around for years and years already. And look at when the r34 gtr released it had a **** load of new technology.

[Footefan52]

I think that it is funny that everyone is saying this car is overrated and it's not worth the money yada yada yada. Knowing full well that if one pulled into the Varsity one month everyone would flock to it like the R34 that shows up every once in a while.

Oh and I too think it is a little expensive for what you get. You could make a better car for less.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Noble M400 > GTR

but id deff take a 911 over a GTR

hell,id rather drive the slower SLK55 AMG than a GTR

[Deke]

i cant stand, how people always find any reason to discredit a car. I mean literally pick apart every aspect of it......the gtr has prettymuch done what it said nissan would do so far. Form making good power, to making great track times. times are changing this is they are making cars full of technology, to make them better. Alot of the technology u monkeys complain about in the gtr, has been around for years and years already. And look at when the r34 gtr released it had a **** load of new technology.

You must spread some Reputation...

[JITB]

Noble M400 > GTR

but id deff take a 911 over a GTR

hell,id rather drive the slower SLK55 AMG than a GTR


i cant argue with the noble m400... i always loved those.. BUT!!! if i had both side by side for free... id think id take the gtr... ;)

only car id take over anything else is a Xj220..:)

[OneSlow5pt0]

i cant argue with the noble m400... i always loved those.. BUT!!! if i had both side by side for free... id think id take the gtr... ;)

only car id take over anything else is a Xj220..:)

i love the XJ220,that one of my dream cars

but for like 10k more than a GTR u could have a car that does 0-60 in 2.7 sec,over 200mph and pulls a 1.5g on skidpad

[AnthonyF]

Mustang owner says what?

J/K LOL

hibby jibby jabb jabb boopy bop plush flop

[R3RUN]

For the Fanboys....the GTR has 45 years to get on the level of a 911.
And the 911 has a lot of catching up to do performance wise.



Which would I rather have though? 911 Turbo, hands down.

[EJ25RUN]

And the 911 has a lot of catching up to do performance wise.





*explaination please*

And a good one please cause i can tell otherwise.


hibby jibby jabb jabb boopy bop plush flop

So eeney, meeney, miney, mo good goobelly goo ridobidobip bip da be bong de dang, Bo!

[R3RUN]

*explaination please*
7:25 Nissan GT-R V-Spec
7:32.02 Porsche 997 GT2 2008

Ring times son.

[EJ25RUN]

7:25 Nissan GT-R V-Spec
7:32.02 Porsche 997 GT2 2008

Ring times son.

Telling me about ring times. :rolleyes:

I was the first on this site to post both of those #'s.

Anyways, i'll grant you that is an impressive # by any car especially one from a manufacture.

We don't know enough about the V-Spec to really compare it to the 997 GT2.

Who knows it might compare better to a Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS which did the ring in 7:15.

[R3RUN]

Telling me about ring times. :rolleyes:

I was the first on this site to post both of those #'s.

Anyways, i'll grant you that is an impressive # by any car especially one from a manufacture.

We don't know enough about the V-Spec to really compare it to the 997 GT2.

Who knows it might compare better to a Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS which did the ring in 7:15.
Take the two cars from the manufacturer, put them on the track, whoever comes out on top is the winner, thats the way I see it when you are comparing two cars stock for stock.

Either way I would rather have the Porsche. I've driven a 996 C4S and had a blast even doing just normal driving.

[JITB]

AS far as a mass produced car within its estimated price range 70k. What are performance the cars in that price range that are at production level?

[R3RUN]

AS far as a mass produced car within its estimated price range 70k. What are performance the cars in that price range that are at production level?
Zip, zero, stingy with deniro

[EJ25RUN]

For the record i have nothing against the GTR, i think it is an incredible accomplishment and is a true supercar.

BUT!

I just don't approve of people bashing Porsche and other fine car manufactures just cause the new kid on the block can throw some impressive #s.

For the Price argument. That's a bit subjective.

You see, what the GTR and the 911 Turbo do well is that they are true everyday supercars. What i mean is that they can and are used as daily drivers with creature comforts necessary for a road car to have.

But if your only goal is the track then you got other alternatives that are cheaper than 45k. For starters if you can come up with $50, Brammo Motorsports will build you an Aerial Atom. But that's on another extreme.

Again, i think the GT-R is a great car but it's not on that level that a Porsche or an Aston Martin is.

[R3RUN]

For the record i have nothing against the GTR, i think it is an incredible accomplishment and is a true supercar.

BUT!

I just don't approve of people bashing Porsche and other fine car manufactures just cause the new kid on the block can throw some impressive #s.

For the Price argument. That's a bit subjective.

You see, what the GTR and the 911 Turbo do well is that they are true everyday supercars. What i mean is that they can and are used as daily drivers with creature comforts necessary for a road car to have.

But if your only goal is the track then you got other alternatives that are cheaper than 45k. For starters if you can come up with $50, Brammo Motorsports will build you an Aerial Atom. But that's on another extreme.

Again, i think the GT-R is a great car but it's not on that level that a Porsche or an Aston Martin is.
Definitely not trying to bash on Porsche, anyone who does is retarded imo but the GTR has them beat right now (performance wise). No doubt they will come back with something to beat it though.

[ATK_Designs]

I wouldn't say "outclasses".
Nissans are Nissans. Take that how you want. Wether from your eyes or the general consensus, it's a Nissan.


You must've misunderstood what I intended to say :D:

For a new car, @ GT-R's MSRP, I don't see any cars can outperform nor outclass the GT-R.

You're right, I'd take the GT3 or a better "class" with "almost similar performance" instead of the GT-R, despite its performance may loose to the GT-R a little bit.

But I can't seem to find one car, brand new, at $72K Better than the GT-R in the classy look without serious sacrifice in the performance part. New E92 M3 may be the closest contender.


Now, if you take car with on-par performance with the GT-R, I'm sure there are many of them that outclass the GT-R. But we're stepping into supercars and exotic class. And the price range are wayyyy up there.

[JITB]

For the record i have nothing against the GTR, i think it is an incredible accomplishment and is a true supercar.

BUT!

I just don't approve of people bashing Porsche and other fine car manufactures just cause the new kid on the block can throw some impressive #s.

For the Price argument. That's a bit subjective.

You see, what the GTR and the 911 Turbo do well is that they are true everyday supercars. What i mean is that they can and are used as daily drivers with creature comforts necessary for a road car to have.

But if your only goal is the track then you got other alternatives that are cheaper than 45k. For starters if you can come up with $50, Brammo Motorsports will build you an Aerial Atom. But that's on another extreme.

Again, i think the GT-R is a great car but it's not on that level that a Porsche or an Aston Martin is.


how can it not be on that level, nissan has been makin performance cars for plenty time to know what they are doing. It is posible to make a great car without everything being done by hand. i dont see anyone bashing the porsches. BUt part of a car being good and bad is price.... its always a factor. But the greatest cars have always been the cheapest ones that outperform the expensive ones. ... ;). Thats what the japanese specialize in, taking things/ideas and making it better/cheaper..they have been doing it for centuries.

[ash7]

Cool thing about being rich, is that you can wreck a car like that and not be too worried about it. It's just a GtR - yes it's nice, fast, and everything... nutswingers ftl.

-jonathan

[EJ25RUN]

how can it not be on that level, nissan has been makin performance cars for plenty time to know what they are doing.

Nissan got alot of help from outside companies on the GTR. Cosworth helped with the engine and Lotus on the suspension, yes they can go a little bit but the great performance cars are made by people that don't understand anything but the track, not huge corporations.

How else have Porsche, Ferrari, and Aston get to where they are today?



It is posible to make a great car without everything being done by hand.


It is. But it is also possible to photocopy a picture of the Mona Lisa millions of times. But to have Picasso paint it is different and much better.



i dont see anyone bashing the porsches. BUt part of a car being good and bad is price.... its always a factor.

Granted. Porsche are worth every penny. Plus some more.



But the greatest cars have always been the cheapest ones that outperform the expensive ones. ... ;).

Um No. Case and point. There are times when an auto manufacture goes past the point of making sense in order to make a great car. To the point where they lose money in order for the car to exist. The Mclaren F1, Porsche 959, Bugatti Veyron and a few others are all guilty of this.

There are times where we can get a "good" drivers car for the price but the greatest cars of all time are typically worth out of reach from the common man because they don't need to make sense. They are more displays of perfection than transportation.



Thats what the japanese specialize in, taking things/ideas and making it better/cheaper..they have been doing it for centuries.

Specialize in? For Centuries?

You obviously don't remember cheap Japanese goods from the 60's and what garbage it was.

Sony and companies like it used to be a joke.

[nreggie454]

I don't know if it has gone down or not, but as of January 31 of this year, the sticker price for a new GTR was $129K.

[Kevykev]

sad to say but heres the third nissan gtr that i know about to crash bad



And that means that they are poorly engineered right?

I would say classic case of user error, not matter how "state of the art" something is, leave it up to "man" and it will be subject to his faults.

[JITB]

Nissan got alot of help from outside companies on the GTR. Cosworth helped with the engine and Lotus on the suspension, yes they can go a little bit but the great performance cars are made by people that don't understand anything but the track, not huge corporations.

How else have Porsche, Ferrari, and Aston get to where they are today?



It is. But it is also possible to photocopy a picture of the Mona Lisa millions of times. But to have Picasso paint it is different and much better.



Granted. Porsche are worth every penny. Plus some more.



Um No. Case and point. There are times when an auto manufacture goes past the point of making sense in order to make a great car. To the point where they lose money in order for the car to exist. The Mclaren F1, Porsche 959, Bugatti Veyron and a few others are all guilty of this.

There are times where we can get a "good" drivers car for the price but the greatest cars of all time are typically worth out of reach from the common man because they don't need to make sense. They are more displays of perfection than transportation.



Specialize in? For Centuries?

You obviously don't remember cheap Japanese goods from the 60's and what garbage it was.

Sony and companies like it used to be a joke.


cmon really cosworth and lotus put their hands in soo many cars its almost normal for them to.

I would think it would take more thought to make a car perform so well and still be soo much cheaper, than just throw dollars into a car that is the greatest..any company can do that.

Ill admit, that im not a real porsche freak nor nissan fan. But im on the gtr's side this fight.. :yes:.

I know the japanese made ****ty stuff back than. but the japanese havent really invented much. but they are masters at copying and improving.

[EJ25RUN]

cmon really cosworth and lotus put their hands in soo many cars its almost normal for them to.

That's why everyone goes to them. When i reread what i wrote for the first response, i meant to say companies like Courage (Acura LMP chassis),
Lola (Ford GT40, and so many others that it wouln't make sense for me to label). One of the companies from Japan that gets little credit where allot is due is DOME, who helped design the first Le Mans prototypes from Japan.

What i'm trying to say is that great cars and technolgies are born on the track > They are then transfered to the very best and most expensive street cars > Finally after a long time when prices come down, they make there way to average street cars. Take carbon ceramic brakes. Gordon Murrey first used them on his Brabham in the 70's and 30 years later we have $50,000 cars that have them (Option on Cayman S).



I would think it would take more thought to make a car perform so well and still be soo much cheaper, than just throw dollars into a car that is the greatest..any company can do that.

.....Built down to a price. What you are telling me there is the same thing Ford is saying with the modern Mustang. "We could have given it IRS, but we chose to save you $5,000. Well, that's just not a logic i use in making a car. You make it right the first time and put a price label on it. That's not saying price it at $300,000+ but saving money is not something that makes a great car if it's missing what's important.



Ill admit, that im not a real porsche freak nor nissan fan. But im on the gtr's side this fight.. :yes:.

I am a fan for both.

But that is because i'm a racing diehard and historian. I believe history and heritage is one of the most important elements of a sports car. Porsche history is second to none and the Skylines of old have had great success as well.

This isn't a "fight", Two great cars with two different approaches to the same thing. It's subjective but the GTR has to do allot more than to post some good laps at the ring.

If you really want to see it through my eyes. Here's what you need to see.

The most important event at the ring is the Rennin24 and here are the cars that won it the past two years.

2007 Porsche 911 GT3-RSR Manthey Racing
2006 Porsche 911 GT3-MR Manthey Racing

To make it interesting for the IA crowd. Toyota will enter a team of Lexus LF-As into the 2008 event.

I know Nissan runs 6 cars in the SuperGT GT500 series in Japan. But those cars are running 3.5L V8s and have more aero than GT1 cars.

For the Nissan to make a hit where they need to go Racing and succeed.

1. Make a GT1 car to go against the ALMS Vette and Aston.
2. Make a GT2 car to go against the F430 and GT3-RSR
3. Make Sure to use the VR38....(Regulations will force this but im just sayin.)

[JITB]

That's why everyone goes to them. When i reread what i wrote for the first response, i meant to say companies like Courage (Acura LMP chassis),
Lola (Ford GT40, and so many others that it wouln't make sense for me to label). One of the companies from Japan that gets little credit where allot is due is DOME, who helped design the first Le Mans prototypes from Japan.

What i'm trying to say is that great cars and technolgies are born on the track > They are then transfered to the very best and most expensive street cars > Finally after a long time when prices come down, they make there way to average street cars. Take carbon ceramic brakes. Gordon Murrey first used them on his Brabham in the 70's and 30 years later we have $50,000 cars that have them (Option on Cayman S).



.....Built down to a price. What you are telling me there is the same thing Ford is saying with the modern Mustang. "We could have given it IRS, but we chose to save you $5,000. Well, that's just not a logic i use in making a car. You make it right the first time and put a price label on it. That's not saying price it at $300,000+ but saving money is not something that makes a great car if it's missing what's important.



I am a fan for both.

But that is because i'm a racing diehard and historian. I believe history and heritage is one of the most important elements of a sports car. Porsche history is second to none and the Skylines of old have had great success as well.

This isn't a "fight", Two great cars with two different approaches to the same thing. It's subjective but the GTR has to do allot more than to post some good laps at the ring.

If you really want to see it through my eyes. Here's what you need to see.

The most important event at the ring is the Rennin24 and here are the cars that won it the past two years.

2007 Porsche 911 GT3-RSR Manthey Racing
2006 Porsche 911 GT3-MR Manthey Racing

To make it interesting for the IA crowd. Toyota will enter a team of Lexus LF-As into the 2008 event.

I know Nissan runs 6 cars in the SuperGT GT500 series in Japan. But those cars are running 3.5L V8s and have more aero than GT1 cars.

For the Nissan to make a hit where they need to go Racing and succeed.

1. Make a GT1 car to go against the ALMS Vette and Aston.
2. Make a GT3 car to go against the F430 and GT3-RSR
3. Make Sure to use the VR38....(Regulations will force this but im just sayin.)


I learned to much to even respond back.... :surrender

[EJ25RUN]

I learned to much to even respond back.... :surrender

lol.

[JITB]

its really hard to have a opposing discussion about 2 subjects i dont know much about...nissans and porsches.....lol

[EJ25RUN]

its really hard to have a opposing discussion about 2 subjects i dont know much about...nissans and porsches.....lol

This thread has very little to do with the op.

Ohh....to add, im pretty good across the board on auto manufacturers. I know you got a Mazda and a Ford so we can talk bout that.

[JITB]

This thread has very little to do with the op.


every gtr thread tunrs into a porsche vs gtr thread...lol

[EJ25RUN]

every gtr thread tunrs into a porsche vs gtr thread...lol

It's a good thing though because even though most of the people on here cant afford either. There are those that can and debates like this will help Nissan sell the GT-R.

On a side note i know for a fact that every car allocated to Nissan of Gwinnett went for at least 5-6k over MSRP. On the other hand Regal sold there cars at MSRP. So these 124k numbers are bogus.

[81911SC]

EJ is on a roll. Amazing posts brotato. You're right though, Porsche's history is second to none. That's a fact.

[EJ25RUN]

EJ is on a roll. Amazing posts brotato. You're right though, Porsche's history is second to none. That's a fact.

Once in a while, smart people have debates on this site. With R3Run, JITB, 81911, and a few others, it makes for a good read.

[81911SC]

Once in a while, smart people have debates on this site. With R3Run, JITB, 81911, and a few others, it makes for a good read.
I'm suprised to be on that list. :eek:
Thanks bro. :goodjob:

[EJ25RUN]

I'm suprised to be on that list. :eek:
Thanks bro. :goodjob:

Now that i think about it.

Your the one that put that gay thread. :no:

*eraser comes out* lol.

[ironchef]

You're wrong on one thing, Picasso didn't paint the Mona Lisa, that was Da Vinci.

[EJ25RUN]

You're wrong on one thing, Picasso didn't paint the Mona Lisa, that was Da Vinci.

You know what your right, i thought i remember one thing from visiting Italy last year but obviously not. I thought it was weird how everyone walked around the statue of david like they did.

Well, i should feel stupid......but never cared for art so......dont care.

I added to your rep if you care. :yes:

[EJ25RUN]

Last thing i want to add to this thread.

Here is a list of different car brands that let you buy race cars. (notice how many are from Japan)

1. Porsche - 911 GT3 CUP, 911-GT3 RSR
2. Ferrari - F430 GT2
3. Aston Martin - DBR9, DBR9S, Vantage GT2, Vantage N24
4. Lotus - Exige GT3
5. Ascari - KZ1R
6. Chevrolet - Vette GT3, (GT2 car being developed)
7. Dodge - Viper Comp Coupe
8. Ford - FR500C
9. BMW - Z4 M Coupè Motorsport.
10. Saleen - S7R
11. Maserati - MC12, Trofeo,
12. Morgan - Aero 8
13. Mosler - LM900R

If you have a serious interests in entering professional or amateur racing, You can go out and buy a car.

Why have Japanese companies been so bad about this?

For instance. The $285,000 2008 Nissan Fairlady Z 380RS-Competition, is a rare effort.

Almost a year after it was originally revealed, Nissan has finally put a price tag on the 2008 Fairlady Z 380RS-Competition. But let's not trifle with the cost of ownership yet. As its name implies, the 380RS is a tried-and-true racecar, with a stroked version of the VQ35HR V6. The 3.8-liter mill is producing 350 hp and 321 lb.-ft. of torque, which it sends to a Nismo Super Coppermix clutch and on through to a close-ratio, six-speed gearbox and mechanical LSD. The body meets Super Taikyu regulations, in which it was designed to compete, and comes equipped with new aerodynamic enhancements, a roll cage, six-pot Brembos and the required catalytic converter. Inside, it's all business, with carbon fiber door panels, a Recaro throne, six-point harness and a fire extinguisher. With that out of the way, the price is a cool 28,350,000 yen, or just over $285k USD. Well-funded, privateer teams need only apply.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/380rsc_img04_b.jpghttp://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/380rsc_img06_b.jpg

Why don't Japanese manufactures give you more cars like this?

At the end of the day, privateers are the backbone of racing and if you want to prove your car as a real car you take it racing, and let your customers do it to.

[95alty]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q296/jadams215/m5.jpg


This is the new M5 Hurricane

G-Power is not making jokes when it comes about BMW models. They startd with the M3 CSL V10 and now confirmed it with the new M5 Hurricane. The name says it all, doesn’t it?

With an announced power of 730 hp (http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/-bmw-m5-hurricane-by-g-power-ar48466.html#), the Hurricane will put into much trouble the famous CLS Rocket and the Bullit.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop-380x230/bmw_m5_hurricane_10_1w.jpg (http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/-bmw-m5-hurricane-by-g-power-ar48466/picture218828-0.html)
Powered by a V10 engine with two compressors, the M5 (http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/-bmw-m5-hurricane-by-g-power-ar48466.html#) Hurricane will hit a top speed of 340 km/h.

[EJ25RUN]

This is the new M5 Hurricane

G-Power is not making jokes when it comes about BMW models. They startd with the M3 CSL V10 and now confirmed it with the new M5 Hurricane. The name says it all, doesn’t it?

With an announced power of 730 hp (http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/-bmw-m5-hurricane-by-g-power-ar48466.html#), the Hurricane will put into much trouble the famous CLS Rocket and the Bullit.

(http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/-bmw-m5-hurricane-by-g-power-ar48466/picture218828-0.html)
Powered by a V10 engine with two compressors, the M5 (http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/-bmw-m5-hurricane-by-g-power-ar48466.html#) Hurricane will hit a top speed of 340 km/h.

So?

[ironchef]

So?Agreed, what was the point of that post?

[Elbow]

Last thing i want to add to this thread.

Here is a list of different car brands that let you buy race cars. (notice how many are from Japan)

1. Porsche - 911 GT3 CUP, 911-GT3 RSR
2. Ferrari - F430 GT2
3. Aston Martin - DBR9, DBR9S, Vantage GT2, Vantage N24
4. Lotus - Exige GT3
5. Ascari - KZ1R
6. Chevrolet - Vette GT3, (GT2 car being developed)
7. Dodge - Viper Comp Coupe
8. Ford - FR500C
9. BMW - Z4 M Coupè Motorsport.
10. Saleen - S7R
11. Maserati - MC12, Trofeo,
12. Morgan - Aero 8
13. Mosler - LM900R

If you have a serious interests in entering professional or amateur racing, You can go out and buy a car.

Why have Japanese companies been so bad about this?

For instance. The $285,000 2008 Nissan Fairlady Z 380RS-Competition, is a rare effort.

Almost a year after it was originally revealed, Nissan has finally put a price tag on the 2008 Fairlady Z 380RS-Competition. But let's not trifle with the cost of ownership yet. As its name implies, the 380RS is a tried-and-true racecar, with a stroked version of the VQ35HR V6. The 3.8-liter mill is producing 350 hp and 321 lb.-ft. of torque, which it sends to a Nismo Super Coppermix clutch and on through to a close-ratio, six-speed gearbox and mechanical LSD. The body meets Super Taikyu regulations, in which it was designed to compete, and comes equipped with new aerodynamic enhancements, a roll cage, six-pot Brembos and the required catalytic converter. Inside, it's all business, with carbon fiber door panels, a Recaro throne, six-point harness and a fire extinguisher. With that out of the way, the price is a cool 28,350,000 yen, or just over $285k USD. Well-funded, privateer teams need only apply.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/380rsc_img04_b.jpghttp://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/380rsc_img06_b.jpg

Why don't Japanese manufactures give you more cars like this?

At the end of the day, privateers are the backbone of racing and if you want to prove your car as a real car you take it racing, and let your customers do it to.

^There are a LOT more then that...but also, most of those you can't just buy, I know you can't just go get a new Porsche.

[Elbow]

...and to the M5...wow...a high top speed and lots of HP....and?

[EJ25RUN]

^There are a LOT more then that...but also, most of those you can't just buy, I know you can't just go get a new Porsche.

Didn't know that. Thought if you could prove you could fund a legit effort to run a team you could.

Are you just saying that if i for whatever wanted a GT3-RSR just to park it and look at it they won't sell it to me?

[Elbow]

They will tell you to buy a used one. Last time I talked to them they were booked for the next few years on cars. Now possibly if you were an ALMS team with a history, and for some reason did not have one, and had the money right there, they might work it out. ;)

Not all of those are like that. For example Ferrari I know you can buy a Challenge car any day of the week. But you would have trouble buying a new road car.

[EJ25RUN]

They will tell you to buy a used one. Last time I talked to them they were booked for the next few years on cars. Now possibly if you were an ALMS team with a history, and for some reason did not have one, and had the money right there, they might work it out. ;)

Not all of those are like that. For example Ferrari I know you can buy a Challenge car any day of the week. But you would have trouble buying a new road car.

I see, i wish i was involved as much as you are to know this better but i try. ;)

[rickgiblin]

just got back from the car show downtown where they actually had a new gtr, and honestly, in real life, there not really appealing to me. they're kinda ugly. but i took a video and some pics which i will try to upload soon. also, they had the new lexus isF there which is the ****in sex. that car was so comfortable to sit in with 400+ hp, dam nice car

[tron]

imo, if i knew nothing about the performance of the gt-r or the 911 turbo
i'd always take the 911 over the gtr just because its a higher class car, not to mention the history
but if i had to buy one of these then i'd get the gtr hands down
just because cheaper for same if not better performance
just my 2cents