which upcoming president

[dohc4.6sc]

do you all think is best for the war? and also do you think we should deploy more? or just pull out slowly but still keep some troops there for , rebuilding and keepin peace amonst the iraqi's

[On_Her_Face]

this should be in wallstreet, but ill vote anyway


The General > Ford

[dohc4.6sc]

so why do you say mccain?

[OneSlow5pt0]

this should be in wallstreet, but ill vote anyway


The General > Ford

he speaks the truth

[On_Her_Face]

so why do you say mccain?

hillary and obama are the anti-christ

LINK:
skip to 2:00 minutes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11iCmzGnOI8

[GuessWho]

Dont need no woman in that white house...

[dohc4.6sc]

are you all only saying mccain beacsue he is the only white male?

[redrumracer]

mccain because a: ) republican(wish Paul was on the ticket instead) and b: )sudden withdraw of troops would leave that area up for grabs and then that would be worst than hussain still being in power.

[dohc4.6sc]

mccain because a: ) republican(wish Paul was on the ticket instead) and b: )sudden withdraw of troops would leave that area up for grabs and then that would be worst than hussain still being in power.

why not obama then? he isnt talking about SUDDEN withdrawel. just slowly pulling them out. i am voting mccain also i am just wondering others inputs on why they are going with what they are.

[redrumracer]

why not obama then? he isnt talking about SUDDEN withdrawel. just slowly pulling them out. i am voting mccain also i am just wondering others inputs on why they are going with what they are.
because well hes not a republican. i dont really like any of the choices.

edit: i dont give a damn about color, but i sure as hell dont want a damn female in office, especially that b!tch. also if i remember reading right obama is for tighting gun restrictions and im all about owning guns and all that good stuff.

[Spektrewing386]

So, redrumracer.... you vote for parties and not people?

and too all the people say a sudden ejection from iraq will be bad.... that is true.... and that is why none of the democratic canidates want to do that. If you did some research, you will find that each one of them wants a slow and gradual pull-out spreading over one and half years, with still some remaining troops left behind.

[redrumracer]

So, redrumracer.... you vote for parties and not people?

and too all the people say a sudden ejection from iraq will be bad.... that is true.... and that is why none of the democratic canidates want to do that. If you did some research, you will find that each one of them wants a slow and gradual pull-out spreading over one and half years, with still some remaining troops left behind.
when it comes to all crappy choices yes, and over 1.5 years is still too fast

[blackshine007]

To be honest, the democratic party is a bunch of idiots. All that negative campaining is gonna do nothing but make both of the candidates hate each other to the point that niether parties will vote for each other. All McCain has to do is sit back, make positive comments on the 2 idiots to make himself look even better and he's practically in. Yet, another Bush in the office. But what can we do? Clinton won't give up, despite being behind on delegate counts and Obama on occasion makes poor choice of words. But if the dummy-crats keep it up, not enough people will be voting for them. That's my 2 cents.

[GuessWho]

why not obama then? he isnt talking about SUDDEN withdrawel. just slowly pulling them out. i am voting mccain also i am just wondering others inputs on why they are going with what they are.

So your voting for Obama cause he's black ?????:thinking:

[dohc4.6sc]

So your voting for Obama cause he's black ?????:thinking:

if you would read, you would know i am voting mccain, thats not a vote based upon race or sex, i am in the army and thats the vote that i think that will be best for our troops.

[GuessWho]

To be honest, the democratic party is a bunch of idiots. All that negative campaining is gonna do nothing but make both of the candidates hate each other to the point that niether parties will vote for each other. All McCain has to do is sit back, make positive comments on the 2 idiots to make himself look even better and he's practically in. Yet, another Bush in the office. But what can we do? Clinton won't give up, despite being behind on delegate counts and Obama on occasion makes poor choice of words. But if the dummy-crats keep it up, not enough people will be voting for them. That's my 2 cents.

Touche...


Ur 2 cents are correct anyways...

[GuessWho]

if you would read, you would know i am voting mccain, thats not a vote based upon race or sex, i am in the army and thats the vote that i think that will be best for our troops.

Well i figured since you thought redrummer or w/e his name is is voting for mccain cause he's white...
I was assume...
bye lol

[Deke]

So, as with the last election I definitely feel this is going to be another choice of the lesser of two evils. I do believe that a Democrat mentality towards the war is needed. However, I lean republican on a lot of other issues and therefore will likely be pissed off at the president after the war situation is addressed.

[TheProfiteer]

hillary and obama are the anti-christ

LINK:
skip to 2:00 minutes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11iCmzGnOI8

even more reason for some one to vote for them.

[JConner]

McCain definately! I believe that he is going to win this election. Obama has WAY too many links to terrorists, racists, etc... And Hillary....she is just not a likeable person and lies A LOT!

[Echonova]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn195/humblecitizen/GOTV_Robot.jpg




http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn195/humblecitizen/Elect_SmashTrample.jpg

[Bajjani]

Both Clintons are crooks anyways. I agree with whats already been said, any sudden removal of troops will destroy that area and leave it up for grabs by to many radical groups giving them even more power and more courage to attack, imo. And since this asked what is the best president to deal with the war, I'll stop there. So McCain.

[JConner]

also if i remember reading right obama is for tighting gun restrictions and im all about owning guns and all that good stuff.

:cheers: , if every citizen LEGALLY carried a gun at all times there would be very little crime. The democrats think that putting more restrictions on gun laws will reduce crime they are wrong. 99% of gun crimes are done with illegal guns.

[JConner]

Both Clintons are crooks anyways. I agree with whats already been said, any sudden removal of troops will destroy that area and leave it up for grabs by to many radical groups giving them even more power and more courage to attack, imo. And since this asked what is the best president to deal with the war, I'll stop there. So McCain.


more important than a sudden withdrawal destroying that area is that it would leave US vulnerable to another attack.

[Alan®]

My .02 is this. Both Obama and Hillary are the anti-christ as was already said. Personally I don't like any of their policies. Then you add in all the crazy ass people that Obama is associated with.....you get the idea.

I personally wish Romney was still in. It's a shame that Romney had to drop out after McCain took that cheap shot at him but eh thats politics.

As far as the war goes being out before the job is done period is a mistake in my book. Just because the war is unpopular, doesn't mean that the Commander in Cheif should pull out. Iraq is now our National Security problem and we need to see this mess that we made through to the end.

[Bajjani]

People always complain about the war, which Bush really did get ****ed over, first he didn't do enough then he did to much, the people are never happy. I'm, again, no arguing for one way or another but everyone who is complaining about the war and thinks that immediate withdraw of troops is a good idea because (our boys don't need to be over there anymore dying) needs to try to grasp the idea that if we leave, we'll be back over there fighting more largely organized groups of radicals, and the one thing they have in common, is they all hate us.

[blackshine007]

McCain definately! I believe that he is going to win this election. Obama has WAY too many links to terrorists, racists, etc... And Hillary....she is just not a likeable person and lies A LOT!
I don't feel that Obama is linked to any terrorist, but something the media is feeding heavily upon. I think that he knows quite a few racist people. But let me ask you this.... how many people do you know of that you may speak to on occasion that don't have even a little bit of racism in them? I know a lot. But does that make me racist? No. I don't feel the same way about certain views as they do. But I can relate to them on certain things not race related. For example, Obama says that he is pretty mean on the poker table. Who knows, maybe Jeramaih Right was one of the people who was on the table with him. The man also gets into some sporting events too and played basketball in high school. That man is human just like anyone else. We sometimes meet people who are really good people but we may not agree with them on quite a few subjects. But that don't mean you should end a relationship because of that.

Hilary..... Hilary. I would love to tell you something nice about her. I would love to tell you that might be a hellavuh candidate for president. I think as far as policies go, she's better than McCain. She definately has a voice that is undeniable. She also knows how to lie. Lie very well at that. My main concern with her is how can I expect her to run a country when she can't even stay in control of her own bedroom? There's been multiple aligations of Bill messing around and what does she do? She smiles it off. She was an Attorney for many of years and she couldn't leave him barefoot and broke? She stuck it out like a dummy. I think their marriage is a sham. She was in it for one thing and the way she's heading, she won't make it.

McCain, to sum him up, a new and improved Bush. That is all. I honestly wish Ron Paul would've made it through, but he didn't. I would've said screw the dummy-crats and pitched my vote for him. Then huckabee seemed promising. Didn't make it very far. I don't think McCain is gonna do anything that benefits the economy. I don't think that's his intent. I wonder what's our line up of independents looking like so far?

[Deke]

^Well said (well I don't agree with the Huckabee part, but yeah other than that :))


Iraq is now our National Security problem and we need to see this mess that we made through to the end.

It's either pull out or nuke the place. There is no satisfactory end at this point.

PS, pull out over time that is.

[Alan®]

I don't feel that Obama is linked to any terrorist, but something the media is feeding heavily upon. I think that he knows quite a few racist people. But let me ask you this.... how many people do you know of that you may speak to on occasion that don't have even a little bit of racism in them? I know a lot. But does that make me racist? No. I don't feel the same way about certain views as they do. But I can relate to them on certain things not race related. For example, Obama says that he is pretty mean on the poker table. Who knows, maybe Jeramaih Right was one of the people who was on the table with him. The man also gets into some sporting events too and played basketball in high school. That man is human just like anyone else. We sometimes meet people who are really good people but we may not agree with them on quite a few subjects. But that don't mean you should end a relationship because of that.

Hilary..... Hilary. I would love to tell you something nice about her. I would love to tell you that might be a hellavuh candidate for president. I think as far as policies go, she's better than McCain. She definately has a voice that is undeniable. She also knows how to lie. Lie very well at that. My main concern with her is how can I expect her to run a country when she can't even stay in control of her own bedroom? There's been multiple aligations of Bill messing around and what does she do? She smiles it off. She was an Attorney for many of years and she couldn't leave him barefoot and broke? She stuck it out like a dummy. I think their marriage is a sham. She was in it for one thing and the way she's heading, she won't make it.

McCain, to sum him up, a new and improved Bush. That is all. I honestly wish Ron Paul would've made it through, but he didn't. I would've said screw the dummy-crats and pitched my vote for him. Then huckabee seemed promising. Didn't make it very far. I don't think McCain is gonna do anything that benefits the economy. I don't think that's his intent. I wonder what's our line up of independents looking like so far?

Ok I can agree with you on the racist thing. But the terrorism thing.... :thinking: Sorry man wouldn't vote for him if you put a gun to my head. Between the thing that came out this week, his revrand and that guy that's connected to his campaign that tried to blow up the pentagon in the 60's makes me wonder.

[Echonova]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x249/Echonova1/Obama_hope-nosis.gif

[Echonova]

Weather Underground

[Spektrewing386]

You know whats really funny? People give Obama a hard time for that flag pin thing, yet McCain does not wear a flag pin either and the media seems to ignore that.

Whats also very funny is that John McCain has an endorsment from a weirdo religious guy who talks about God destroying America also, yet the media seems to ignore a lot of that.

And Obama associating with terrorists? lol, his father is ****ing Kenyan, whens the last time you heard about a Kenyan Muslim trying to blow up America? Kenyans may invade our marathon races, but not our fears.



Hillary is the only one seen regularly wearing a flag pin.

[0p7!mu5]

I don't feel that Obama is linked to any terrorist, but something the media is feeding heavily upon. I think that he knows quite a few racist people. But let me ask you this.... how many people do you know of that you may speak to on occasion that don't have even a little bit of racism in them? I know a lot. But does that make me racist? No. I don't feel the same way about certain views as they do. But I can relate to them on certain things not race related. For example, Obama says that he is pretty mean on the poker table. Who knows, maybe Jeramaih Right was one of the people who was on the table with him. The man also gets into some sporting events too and played basketball in high school. That man is human just like anyone else. We sometimes meet people who are really good people but we may not agree with them on quite a few subjects. But that don't mean you should end a relationship because of that.

Hilary..... Hilary. I would love to tell you something nice about her. I would love to tell you that might be a hellavuh candidate for president. I think as far as policies go, she's better than McCain. She definately has a voice that is undeniable. She also knows how to lie. Lie very well at that. My main concern with her is how can I expect her to run a country when she can't even stay in control of her own bedroom? There's been multiple aligations of Bill messing around and what does she do? She smiles it off. She was an Attorney for many of years and she couldn't leave him barefoot and broke? She stuck it out like a dummy. I think their marriage is a sham. She was in it for one thing and the way she's heading, she won't make it.

McCain, to sum him up, a new and improved Bush. That is all. I honestly wish Ron Paul would've made it through, but he didn't. I would've said screw the dummy-crats and pitched my vote for him. Then huckabee seemed promising. Didn't make it very far. I don't think McCain is gonna do anything that benefits the economy. I don't think that's his intent. I wonder what's our line up of independents looking like so far?
if obama is linked to a terrorist then bush is one in my opinion. where do most of them come? from Saudi Arabia! Who's ass is he kissin? Theirs! Hillary is a damn liar and if she cant keep her own damn story straight much less her marriage **** that the most mud slinging has been from her. She needs to just call it quits she had a good run. its over. Honestly I like Obama's stance on things and his policies. And McCain in my opinion was probably one of the very few republicans ( other than Ron Paul) that I have respect for. Face it no matter what we do Iraq is goin to go to hell in a hand basket so we should pull out. we're on their turf and they arent even really tryin to get a government together the right way. you cant help someone who isnt making the effort to help themselves no matter how you slice it. maybe threatening with withdrawl may make them speed **** up.:rolleyes:

[Echonova]

All this is cut and paste, not my opinion. But William Ayers is the terroist "the media" refers to. Not some Camel Jockey from the middle east.



Barack Obama has been running his campaign in the style of a revolutionary. Just how radical and liberal Obama is has been well hidden by the campaign. If you haven’t heard about his friendship with the leaders of the radical group, the Weather Underground, you can thank the media. Just how radically left this man is can be seen in what company he keeps. Obama is friends with William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, the Weather Underground terrorists of the 1960’s.


''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

Now he has written a book, ''Fugitive Days'' (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction. He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

''Is this, then, the truth?,'' he writes. ''Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.''

But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

''Obviously, the point is it's a reflection on memory,'' he answered. ''It's true as I remember it.''

Mr. Ayers is probably safe from prosecution anyway. A spokeswoman for the Justice Department said there was a five-year statute of limitations on Federal crimes except in cases of murder or when a person has been indicted.

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ''it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,'' he said. ''It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.''

He went underground in 1970, after his girlfriend, Diana Oughton, and two other people were killed when bombs they were making exploded in a Greenwich Village town house. With him in the Weather Underground was Bernardine Dohrn, who was put on the F.B.I.'s 10 Most Wanted List. J. Edgar Hoover called her ''the most dangerous woman in America'' and ''la Pasionara of the Lunatic Left.'' Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn later married.

In his book Mr. Ayers describes the Weathermen descending into a ''whirlpool of violence.''

''Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,'' he writes. But then comes a disclaimer: ''Even though I didn't actually bomb the Pentagon -- we bombed it, in the sense that Weathermen organized it and claimed it.'' He goes on to provide details about the manufacture of the bomb and how a woman he calls Anna placed the bomb in a restroom. No one was killed or injured, though damage was extensive.

Between 1970 and 1974 the Weathermen took responsibility for 12 bombings, Mr. Ayers writes, and also helped spring Timothy Leary (sentenced on marijuana charges) from jail.

Today, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn, 59, who is director of the Legal Clinic's Children and Family Justice Center of Northwestern University, seem like typical baby boomers, caring for aging parents, suffering the empty-nest syndrome. Their son, Malik, 21, is at the University of California, San Diego; Zayd, 24, teaches at Boston University. They have also brought up Chesa Boudin, 21, the son of David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, who are serving prison terms for a 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck in Rockland County, N.Y., that left four people dead. Last month, Ms. Boudin's application for parole was rejected.

So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.

[Echonova]

Politics and religion are two arguments you will never win or change anyone's mind on.

[Alan®]

All this is cut and paste, not my opinion. But William Ayers is the terroist "the media" refers to. Not some Camel Jockey from the middle east.



Barack Obama has been running his campaign in the style of a revolutionary. Just how radical and liberal Obama is has been well hidden by the campaign. If you haven’t heard about his friendship with the leaders of the radical group, the Weather Underground, you can thank the media. Just how radically left this man is can be seen in what company he keeps. Obama is friends with William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, the Weather Underground terrorists of the 1960’s.


''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

Now he has written a book, ''Fugitive Days'' (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction. He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

''Is this, then, the truth?,'' he writes. ''Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.''

But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

''Obviously, the point is it's a reflection on memory,'' he answered. ''It's true as I remember it.''

Mr. Ayers is probably safe from prosecution anyway. A spokeswoman for the Justice Department said there was a five-year statute of limitations on Federal crimes except in cases of murder or when a person has been indicted.

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ''it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,'' he said. ''It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.''

He went underground in 1970, after his girlfriend, Diana Oughton, and two other people were killed when bombs they were making exploded in a Greenwich Village town house. With him in the Weather Underground was Bernardine Dohrn, who was put on the F.B.I.'s 10 Most Wanted List. J. Edgar Hoover called her ''the most dangerous woman in America'' and ''la Pasionara of the Lunatic Left.'' Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn later married.

In his book Mr. Ayers describes the Weathermen descending into a ''whirlpool of violence.''

''Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,'' he writes. But then comes a disclaimer: ''Even though I didn't actually bomb the Pentagon -- we bombed it, in the sense that Weathermen organized it and claimed it.'' He goes on to provide details about the manufacture of the bomb and how a woman he calls Anna placed the bomb in a restroom. No one was killed or injured, though damage was extensive.

Between 1970 and 1974 the Weathermen took responsibility for 12 bombings, Mr. Ayers writes, and also helped spring Timothy Leary (sentenced on marijuana charges) from jail.

Today, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn, 59, who is director of the Legal Clinic's Children and Family Justice Center of Northwestern University, seem like typical baby boomers, caring for aging parents, suffering the empty-nest syndrome. Their son, Malik, 21, is at the University of California, San Diego; Zayd, 24, teaches at Boston University. They have also brought up Chesa Boudin, 21, the son of David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, who are serving prison terms for a 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck in Rockland County, N.Y., that left four people dead. Last month, Ms. Boudin's application for parole was rejected.

So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.

Seen this before and just makes me sick.

[Whiteboy™]

mccain

[BB6dohcvtec]

McCain definately! I believe that he is going to win this election. Obama has WAY too many links to terrorists, racists, etc... And Hillary....she is just not a likeable person and lies A LOT!

pretty sure will get flamed like hell on this majority republican "debate" but obama's link to terrorists hmm isn't bush linked to the one terrorist we would love to catch the most. Wow his pastor was a bit racist what person of that age black or white is not a bit racist??? I do agree with you on Hillary Clinton tho completely :goodjob: .

[BB6dohcvtec]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x249/Echonova1/Obama_hope-nosis.gif

lmao repped I've been sucked in for awhile tho.

[Alan®]

did you not read 4 posts above you?

[JConner]

pretty sure will get flamed like hell on this majority republican "debate" but obama's link to terrorists hmm isn't bush linked to the one terrorist we would love to catch the most. Wow his pastor was a bit racist what person of that age black or white is not a bit racist??? I do agree with you on Hillary Clinton tho completely :goodjob: .


Sorry but, Barack's pastor (his mentor and pastor of 20+ years) is not "a bit" racist. When someone says "not God bless America, GOD D A M N WHITE AMERICA" is a racist.

[MistaCee]

So is John Mccain a racist for voting against Martin Luther King day as a holiday

[BB6dohcvtec]

Sorry but, Barack's pastor (his mentor and pastor of 20+ years) is not "a bit" racist. When someone says "not God bless America, GOD D A M N WHITE AMERICA" is a racist.

you might want to reread my post when did i say he wasn't racist. I said he was then i said what person of that age/generation is not a bit racist black or white?

[JConner]

oh and not to get off topic but,.....

The way that Barack handled the "tough" questions during the last debate where he got aggrivated when he was asked about his relationship with William Ayres just proves that he will NOT be able to handle the questions he will face if President!

[MistaCee]

oh and not to get off topic but,.....

The way that Barack handled the "tough" questions during the last debate where he got aggrivated when he was asked about his relationship with William Ayres just proves that he will NOT be able to handle the questions he will face if President!

Lol John Mccain never got angry when asked a question?:lmfao:

[JConner]

you might want to reread my post when did i say he wasn't racist. I said he was then i said what person of that age/generation is not a bit racist black or white?

you said "wow, so what if Obama's pastor is 'a bit' racist?" I was just saying that the words he said exceede being "a bit" racist.

[BB6dohcvtec]

oh and not to get off topic but,.....

The way that Barack handled the "tough" questions during the last debate where he got aggrivated when he was asked about his relationship with William Ayres just proves that he will NOT be able to handle the questions he will face if President!

wow you got all that from one debate. you should be a political analyst since your that good an get that analysis all off one debate.

[JConner]

wow you got all that from one debate. you should be a political analyst since your that good an get that analysis all off one debate.


he just made a very big deal about the questions that he was aked and said "we didnt talk about the economy, health care, etc... until 45 minutes into the debate!"

People want to hear answers to the tough questions. His response to health care, the economy and other topics is "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN."

[BB6dohcvtec]

If your going to base it off one debate, I can go on youtube right now and find ridiculous amounts of video where McCain loses his cool when asked the tough questions. so does that mean McCain can't handle the tough questions if president?

[MistaCee]

Lol John Mccain never got angry when asked a question?:lmfao:

I also want to know the answer to that question.

[JConner]

If your going to base it off one debate, I can go on youtube right now and find ridiculous amounts of video where McCain loses his cool when asked the tough questions. so does that mean McCain can't handle the tough questions if president?


oh i am not disagreeing with you about that....he is definately known for his temper.

[MistaCee]

If your going to base it off one debate, I can go on youtube right now and find ridiculous amounts of video where McCain loses his cool when asked the tough questions. so does that mean McCain can't handle the tough questions if president?

My point exactly I just went on youtube and found numerous videos that McCain has lost his "cool".

[MistaCee]

oh i am not disagreeing with you about that....he is definately known for his temper.


Ok then so what was said here



oh and not to get off topic but,.....

The way that Barack handled the "tough" questions during the last debate where he got aggrivated when he was asked about his relationship with William Ayres just proves that he will NOT be able to handle the questions he will face if President!

Is Invalid

[Alan®]

So is John Mccain a racist for voting against Martin Luther King day as a holiday
:thinking: :lmfao: :blah: The obvious answer to that is no. I personally think its a stupid holiday that serves no purpose other than to give a people a day off from work.

[BB6dohcvtec]

so the point of you saying "The way that Barack handled the "tough" questions during the last debate where he got aggrivated when he was asked about his relationship with William Ayres just proves that he will NOT be able to handle the questions he will face if President!" was what?

Since you know your candidate is known for losing his cool in a much more eruptive way?

[MistaCee]

:thinking: :lmfao: :blah: The obvious answer to that is no. I personally think its a stupid holiday that serves no purpose other than to give a people a day off from work.

If its so stupid why did he publically apologize?

[Alan®]

If its so stupid why did he publically apologize?
because he's running for president and is going to get scrutinized for ever decision ever made.

[BB6dohcvtec]

:thinking: :lmfao: :blah: The obvious answer to that is no. I personally think its a stupid holiday that serves no purpose other than to give a people a day off from work.

How is it a stupid holiday for a man lead the surge to unite us as one instead of being divided? Think about it this way if we were still "segregated" this country would have fallen apart after 9/11 or the draft would still be in play and instead of arguing politics about IRAQ you would be over there if you wanted to go or not.

[JConner]

Ok then so what was said here




Is Invalid

wow, glad i can have an intellectual argument with you. Did I ever say that McCain can handle tough questions?

[MistaCee]

because he's running for president and is going to get scrutinized for ever decision ever made.

Lololol:lmfao: Therefore its not a stupid holiday.

[BB6dohcvtec]

wow, glad i can have an intellectual argument with you. Did I ever say that McCain can handle tough questions?

Exactly, so what was the point of you saying barack can't handle the tough questions? knowing you candidate can't answer them either.

[Alan®]

Lololol:lmfao: Therefore its not a stupid holiday.
So your saying that the fact that he disagreed with it makes it a good holiday :thinking: . I fail to see the logic behind this.

[BB6dohcvtec]

because he's running for president and is going to get scrutinized for ever decision ever made.

Its not that dumb of a holiday esp. if he wants a piece of the black/hispanic vote

[MistaCee]

wow, glad i can have an intellectual argument with you. Did I ever say that McCain can handle tough questions?

Well if you did say Obama couldn't handle being president but McCain can then that is kind of implying that you was saying he could handle tough questions:thinking:

[Alan®]

How is it a stupid holiday for a man lead the surge to unite us as one instead of being divided? Think about it this way if we were still "segregated" this country would have fallen apart after 9/11 or the draft would still be in play and instead of arguing politics about IRAQ you would be over there if you wanted to go or not.
I'm sorry man don't get me wrong but there are plenty of other people that did extrordinary things in this country to make it what it is today and they didn't get a holiday. So why should he?

[MistaCee]

So your saying that the fact that he disagreed with it makes it a good holiday :thinking: . I fail to see the logic behind this.

No if he disagrees then has to come back and apologize for disagreeing there has to be some importance behind the holiday. IMO

[Alan®]

Its not that dumb of a holiday esp. if he wants a piece of the black/hispanic vote
Jesus I'm talking about the holiday itself not what effect it has on his campaign. Is it really that hard for people to read and comprehend.

[BB6dohcvtec]

So your saying that the fact that he disagreed with it makes it a good holiday :thinking: . I fail to see the logic behind this.

The logic is the holiday isn't that stupid if he went back and apologized about it since he is running for president.

[MistaCee]

The logic is the holiday isn't that stupid if he went back and apologized about it since he is running for president.

exactly

[BB6dohcvtec]

Jesus I'm talking about the holiday itself not what effect it has on his campaign. Is it really that hard for people to read and comprehend.

I already answered that a couple of posts ago so yea not my fault you missed it and now upset about it.

[Alan®]

No if he disagrees then has to come back and apologize for disagreeing there has to be some importance behind the holiday. IMO
The man is in politics. Therefor, if he wants to be president and the majority of the population lookds down on him for voting against a holiday, then he basically has to come out and appologize whether he means it or not. Personally I don't hold things like that against somebody nor do I think anyone else should. It was a vote on a holiday not on whether or not to send more money to schools or health care or something of ACTUAL importance.

my :2cents:

[MistaCee]

The man is in politics. Therefor, if he wants to be president and the majority of the population lookds down on him for voting against a holiday, then he basically has to come out and appologize whether he means it or not. Personally I don't hold things like that against somebody nor do I think anyone else should. It was a vote on a holiday not on whether or not to send more money to schools or health care or something of ACTUAL importance.

my :2cents:

You seem to not get my point but w/e

[MistaCee]

I'm going to hit the bed haha nice debating with you guys

[Alan®]

I already answered that a couple of posts ago so yea not my fault you missed it and now upset about it.
I understood it but then you took your reponse and dragged it into something not related to what I was talking about. Also its the internet and I fully realize that even on a topic such as this 90% of what is said in here can't be taken seriously. That isn't to say that there are some intelligent responses in here just saying.

[Alan®]

I'm going to hit the bed haha nice debating with you guys
Then explain because what I'm getting out of it is that you feel that he came out and appologized because he realized that there is some importance to the holiday, which there is, however 1.) like I said before he is in politics and if he is running for president he has to have a good explination for everything and 2.) it's still a stupid holiday and he just apologized for the sake of apologizing.

[TIGERJC]

how is that a stupid holiday?

[Alan®]

how is that a stupid holiday?
Because if your going to create a holiday celebrating something important then make it all encompasing like presidents day. there was more than one form of segregation in this country. Seems that people forget that.

[TIGERJC]

Because if your going to create a holiday celebrating something important then make it all encompasing like presidents day. there was more than one form of segregation in this country. Seems that people forget that.
Sounds like you want more holidays, still isn't really giving a real reason why it is a stupid holiday.

Of course there are more crusaders in America history and I do think they should also be recognize, but I don't get how you could call a holiday for person that actually did something worth while stupid

[Alan®]

Sounds like you want more holidays, still isn't really giving a real reason why it is a stupid holiday.

Of course there are more crusaders in America history and I do think they should also be recognize, but I don't get how you could call a holiday for person that actually did something worth while stupid
Totally missed the point I was trying to make. Do I say I want more holidays? MLK DAY is a stupid holiday to me because it only shows one of the types of segregation and discrimination. Women were once discriminated against as well in this country yet it seems to me that everytime discrimination is brought up it always goes back to blacks and never makes it back to women as well. Which is why I say MLK day is a stupid holiday. The man did do a lot to end discrimination and segregation he wasn't the only one that worked towards this goal of equality and blacks were not the only ones discriminated against in this country. That is the point I was trying to make.

[TIGERJC]

Totally missed the point I was trying to make. Do I say I want more holidays? MLK DAY is a stupid holiday to me because it only shows one of the types of segregation and discrimination. Women were once discriminated against as well in this country yet it seems to me that everytime discrimination is brought up it always goes back to blacks and never makes it back to women as well. Which is why I say MLK day is a stupid holiday. The man did do a lot to end discrimination and segregation he wasn't the only one that worked towards this goal of equality and blacks were not the only ones discriminated against in this country. That is the point I was trying to make.I still can't make sense of your post :thinking:. I still can't put women rights movement in the same category as the black civil right movement(Not taking anything away from that movement). MLK day is suppose to be the day people here in America reflect on the past, so that this horrible part of American history doesn't repeat itself. Of all the holidays on the calender, I still can't believe you call MLK DAY stupid. But it is your opinion, I DID kinda expected your stance on this by the way you decide on other topics on IA. I bet you also think the Gov't shouldn't have built a civil rights museum too ( It did take them long enough)

[BB6dohcvtec]

I still can't make sense of your post :thinking:. I still can't put women rights movement in the same category of the black civil right (Not taking anything away from that movement). MLK is suppose to be the day people here in America to reflect on the past, so that this horrible part of American history doesnt repeat in future. Of all the holidays on the calender, I still can't believe you call it stupid. But it is your opinion, I DID kinda expected your stance on this by the way you decide on other topics on IA. I bet you also don't think the Gov't shouldn't have built a civil rights museum too ( It did take them long enough)

repped :goodjob:

[TIGERJC]

SOrry for all the spelling/grammar errors, guess I had little to much to drink at a birthday party tonight :crazy:

[Alan®]

I still can't make sense of your post :thinking:. I still can't put women rights movement in the same category as the black civil right movement(Not taking anything away from that movement). MLK day is suppose to be the day people here in America reflect on the past, so that this horrible part of American history doesn't repeat itself. Of all the holidays on the calender, I still can't believe you call MLK DAY stupid. But it is your opinion, I DID kinda expected your stance on this by the way you decide on other topics on IA. I bet you also think the Gov't shouldn't have built a civil rights museum too ( It did take them long enough)
As did I expect the responses I got from you. If you truly believe MLK Day is what you say it is then why single out him. Why not call it Anti-Discrimination day or some sh!t like that. This way it can be in remembrance of ALL discriminatory acts against citizines of this country and not just blacks. And while the discrimination women faced may not have been as brutal or fatal as discrimination against blacks it's just as important. Don't get me wrong the concept of the holiday may have been great but now it is nothing more than a national day off from work.

[BB6dohcvtec]

As did I expect the responses I got from you. If you truly believe MLK Day is what you say it is then why single out him. Why not call it Anti-Discrimination day or some sh!t like that. This way it can be in remembrance of ALL discriminatory acts against citizines of this country and not just blacks. And while the discrimination women faced may not have been as brutal or fatal as discrimination against blacks it's just as important. Don't get me wrong the concept of the holiday may have been great but now it is nothing more than a national day off from work.

Maybe for yourself and even if the holiday was changed to anti-discrimination day you still will prob. call it a stupid holiday for some reason or another.

[Alan®]

Maybe for yourself and even if the holiday was changed to anti-discrimination day you still will prob. call it a stupid holiday for some reason or another.
:rolleyes: Cause you know me so well. :goodjob: Figures that the typical IA responses would rear their ugly at head at some point.

[TIGERJC]

well you can blame that on the values of Some American citzens. But I was raised to actually use that day to reflect on the past even if it was for only for an hour. When I was in grade school, I actually took trips on those days to historic black spots Like Tuskegee airman memorable, MLk center, or to my great grand father's house to hear his stories of him growing up in Alabama

[redrumracer]

i some what agree with redgt on the MLK holiday thing, although i dont think its stupid, the man did do a lot for equality. but as far as holidays that are recognized like that(MLK) i think something like veterns day or something like that should be celebrated.

[ShooterMcGavin]

why does everyone always leave off the NONE OF THE ABOVE option?

[BB6dohcvtec]

:rolleyes: Cause you know me so well. :goodjob: Figures that the typical IA responses would rear their ugly at head at some point.

Its not hard when your pretty consistent on your posts. :goodjob:

[Alan®]

Its not hard when your pretty consistent on your posts. :goodjob:
Well at least I'm consistent. :lmfao: Serisously though man your gonna criticize me cause I think a certian holiday is stupid? Hell Valentines Day is stupid to me as well. If MLK day was something other than singling one guy out than I actually might do something but since it singles out one guy when there are a whole bunch of other people that should be celebrated for supporting the same cause, then forget it.

[Alan®]

well either way im goin to bed night chaps

[Echonova]

Why do only Government workers get MLK day off?


Whitey is still trying to squash our movement...

[TheProfiteer]

Just a little add on. McCain is one of the most liberal republicans. If he gets elected don't be surprised if he pulls all the troops out of Iraq.

[Alan®]

Just a little add on. McCain is one of the most liberal republicans. If he gets elected don't be surprised if he pulls all the troops out of Iraq.
that has to be the 2nd dumbest statement I have read in this thread thus far. Why would the guy that worked across party lines to push the surge through pull every one out. :thinking: :screwy:

[MistaCee]

^^ What was the first

[Alan®]

^^ What was the first
see post #84

[MistaCee]

see post #84

lol well that was a little off.

[TheProfiteer]

that has to be the 2nd dumbest statement I have read in this thread thus far. Why would the guy that worked across party lines to push the surge through pull every one out. :thinking: :screwy:

Politics is a game buddy, you remember the only Republican canidate who openly said that he wanted to pull out of Iraq right?

Mr. Ron Paul, and how far did he get?

If your going to run republican, the last thing you want to do is contest the war the current administration tried so hard to justify.

[GTScoob]

Any of you consider that Obama's close relationship with Ayers could lend him a better insight into the sociology and thought process of terrorists? Intellectual debate with a terrorist of such experience is beneficial to reaching a mutual understanding on dealing with other terrorists. Terrorism is universal and all terrorists think the same way; they each just fight for different causes and have different rhetoric for defending their cause.

Same argument could be said for his relationship with his pastor. Having a president with a moderate Muslim background would help relations in Muslim areas of the world by showing that one can be tolerant and liberal while still retaining their Muslim faith. Regarding Iraq, they're running on a budget surplus, while we've been in a budget deficit for years. They need to start taking over their own national security concerns but we need to stick around ensure this. If we overstay our welcome we will be resented, whether it be 5 or 10 years down the road. Look at Iran who is still upset at America for unjustly propping the Shah into power in the 1970s.

So Obama associates with a terrorist retired for 40 years while Bush associates with corrupt oil-cronies who currently **** America? JFK had mob ties out the ass and numerous affairs and George Washington WAS a terrorist yet they both go down in history as great presidents.

[Spektrewing386]

George Bush's grandpa has ties to the Nazi party.

[MistaCee]

George Bush's grandpa has ties to the Nazi party.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/stewless001/hitler_bush.jpg

[tony]

Any of you consider that Obama's close relationship with Ayers could lend him a better insight into the sociology and thought process of terrorists? Intellectual debate with a terrorist of such experience is beneficial to reaching a mutual understanding on dealing with other terrorists. Terrorism is universal and all terrorists think the same way; they each just fight for different causes and have different rhetoric for defending their cause.

Same argument could be said for his relationship with his pastor. Having a president with a moderate Muslim background would help relations in Muslim areas of the world by showing that one can be tolerant and liberal while still retaining their Muslim faith. Regarding Iraq, they're running on a budget surplus, while we've been in a budget deficit for years. They need to start taking over their own national security concerns but we need to stick around ensure this. If we overstay our welcome we will be resented, whether it be 5 or 10 years down the road. Look at Iran who is still upset at America for unjustly propping the Shah into power in the 1970s.

So Obama associates with a terrorist retired for 40 years while Bush associates with corrupt oil-cronies who currently **** America? JFK had mob ties out the ass and numerous affairs and George Washington WAS a terrorist yet they both go down in history as great presidents.

I couldn't have said it better

[ksniperfox]

im votin for this guy.


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[MistaCee]

im votin for this guy.


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Well then if you vote nobody don't complain when the countries getting focked by a third d!ck and bush