cryo treating engine intervals ya or nay??

[hybrid90accord]

I've heard nothing but good thinking about cryo treating engine parts and plan on doing mine as well as transmission parts but I was wondering are their any downsides to doing this process or concerns I should look for????

[AnthonyF]

:google:

[Brown Man]

i would like to know too

[AnthonyF]

i would like to know too:google:x2

[Brown Man]

:google:x2

:2up: :D

[AnthonyF]

:2up: :D
:police::fightpig::hanged: :goodjob:

[hybrid90accord]

google isn't very specific and if you know the answer just tell me and if not then say so don't be a **** and say google. I research alot before I post but didn't get a clear answer so I figured you guys/gals would be nice enough to give a straight foward answer but I guess not.

[AnthonyF]

Dont be a dìck? Wow, way to name call on a mod outside the WL. No need to stoop to that level. enjoy. :goodjob:

[revsk8erdude]

i bet hes 12

[03RCode]

i bet hes 12

Arent you like 15?


And cryo treating is often used in the diesel truck sled pulling world, from what I've read it has its positives and negatives in regular gas cars. I'm sure you can google it like Ant said and get all the info you could ever need.

[AnthonyF]

^havent seen you post in forever. Where the hell you been? hows the body? getting better?

[03RCode]

^havent seen you post in forever. Where the hell you been? hows the body? getting better?

Lurking a little. Its getting better, 80% of the strength and 100% of the movement back in my knee, shoulders not giving problems now. Trying to get the truck back to 100% to make it out to some meets. How long till I can see the Stang run in the 1320?

[hybrid90accord]

no harm intended its just hard because i ask decent question its not like im asking " what better turbo or supercharger" or some of the other crazy questions i hear, I just always get someone saying "search". i do search but sometimes when you search they give you every answer but the one you want if anyone can understand. But as a man i can say my bad i just got fruistrated cause i was looking for some help and a simple answer.

[03RCode]

http://www.cryoplus.com/motorsports.html

http://www.customdesignperformance.com/ecatalog/cryo.html


Didn't really read through them too much, but may have what your looking for.

[DirtyMechanic]

you really dont need the cryo if you but good quality parts. but seeing that its a honda you might need all the help you can get.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

you really dont need the cryo if you but good quality parts. but seeing that its a honda you might need all the help you can get.Is that why Hondas run forever? :eye:

[osiriskidd]

depends. would you try to push your car to XXX amount of HP? are you going to install some extremely crazy turbo and push XXXpsi?

[superboost]

I've heard nothing but good thinking about cryo treating engine parts and plan on doing mine as well as transmission parts but I was wondering are their any downsides to doing this process or concerns I should look for????

Its good stuff. I too researched the topic and know a few people who cryoed parts.

You don't just have to cryo engine and tranny parts, but any part that faces high stress can be cryoed. One of the things they do often in road racing is cryo the brake rotors. Reduces warping and the rotors last longer throughout the race.

You can cryo spark plugs, cyl heads, valve springs etc. All help very much. Myself,I was thinking of having my rods, pistons and head cryoed to toughen them up.

From the people I've spoken with, supposedly if you build a balanced block, you'll want to have it balanced, do any cutting or shot peening etc before the cryo treatment. I found a place that charges $8 a part. Dunno if thats a good deal, but I too would like to see more research done.

[MistaCee]

Is that why Hondas run forever? :eye:

x2:screwy:

[MistaCee]

:google:x2

:lmfao:

[DieselNuts]

you really dont need the cryo if you but good quality parts. but seeing that its a honda you might need all the help you can get.
LAWL! you get reps for that

[DirtyMechanic]

Is that why Hondas run forever? :eye: sure it stays OEM or with good quality parts and labor.

[DirtyMechanic]

Its good stuff. I too researched the topic and know a few people who cryoed parts.

You don't just have to cryo engine and tranny parts, but any part that faces high stress can be cryoed. One of the things they do often in road racing is cryo the brake rotors. Reduces warping and the rotors last longer throughout the race.

You can cryo spark plugs, cyl heads, valve springs etc. All help very much. Myself,I was thinking of having my rods, pistons and head cryoed to toughen them up.

From the people I've spoken with, supposedly if you build a balanced block, you'll want to have it balanced, do any cutting or shot peening etc before the cryo treatment. I found a place that charges $8 a part. Dunno if thats a good deal, but I too would like to see more research done. i lol at the cryo stuff. for people on the street you wont need anything like cryo treating a part if you just us good parts and have it put together by someone that knows what they are doing. the amount of money you spend vs what you get is not worth it. plus no one really knows how much it would help on good quality parts seeing that people rarely break forged rods like eagle or pauter. now what your really should be looking into is coatings like for the side skirts of the pistons and ceramic coatings for the pistons tops and cylinder head combustion cambers and exhaust valves. but you wont need those either unless you got some money and plain on having the motor but by a professional engine builder for the type of motor being a b series VQ SR K series or what have you and plain on having it last for a long time under extreme conditions i.e. track... like a road race track not strip.

[hybrid90accord]

its not gonna be a daily driver i wanna get the most out of my h22. Money isnt really the issue i just wanna take as many precaution the first time to get everything done right so i wont have the "should have could have" syndrome. longevity is an issue but with the power goal in mind i know that isnt to pratical but anything that can be done to help my parts last a little longer im willing to invest in i just wanted to know if their were any negative side effects to the process, ive heard many street/strip v8's do it alot even with forged internals

[DirtyMechanic]

its not gonna be a daily driver i wanna get the most out of my h22. Money isnt really the issue i just wanna take as many precaution the first time to get everything done right so i wont have the "should have could have" syndrome. longevity is an issue but with the power goal in mind i know that isnt to pratical but anything that can be done to help my parts last a little longer im willing to invest in i just wanted to know if their were any negative side effects to the process, ive heard many street/strip v8's do it alot even with forged internals if money isnt an issue why are you playing around with hondas

[EJ25RUN]

"Chrome is for the tasteless"

Take it back (http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?p=36734878#post36734878)

[josh green]

if money isnt an issue why are you playing around with hondas
Maybe he enjoys them..... Just as you enjoy your nissan.

[LS2ner]

Dont be a dìck? Wow, way to name call on a mod outside the WL. No need to stoop to that level. enjoy. :goodjob:


Mods suck :taun:

[ahmonrah]

Maybe he enjoys them..... Just as you enjoy your nissan.
NISSAN FTW!!

[hybrid90accord]

if money isnt an issue why are you playing around with hondas

wow if thats the only thing you took out of what i said i dont know what to say....but i guess you will take it out of content as you may wish. But what i mean is that im prepared to spend what i have to send to make sure its done right. Not everyone wats a civic hatch to drop a k series in , or nissan 240 with a SR to drift in, or an other thing that everyone does just my 2 cents.

[DirtyMechanic]

Maybe he enjoys them..... Just as you enjoy your nissan.If i had the money to spend i would not be driving my Infiniti still...

[DirtyMechanic]

wow if thats the only thing you took out of what i said i dont know what to say....but i guess you will take it out of content as you may wish. But what i mean is that im prepared to spend what i have to send to make sure its done right. Not everyone wats a civic hatch to drop a k series in , or nissan 240 with a SR to drift in, or an other thing that everyone does just my 2 cents. i got what you said about doing it right. and cyro is not needed if you just by quality parts that are known to work well and have it done by someone that has done hundreds... not a few but hundreds of builds like yours.

[94b20gsr]

you really dont need the cryo if you but good quality parts. but seeing that its a honda you might need all the help you can get.

It's amazing how ignorant some people are......

[DirtyMechanic]

It's amazing how ignorant some people are...... way to bring back a dead thread but i really dont see your point as to i build engines... how about you...?

[DUBSf22c]

It's amazing how ignorant some people are......
yeh and how ignorant they are to not take jokes? or take a jesus:crazy:

:thinking::thinking::goodjob::thinking::thinking:

[DirtyMechanic]

yeh and how ignorant they are to not take jokes?

:thinking::thinking::goodjob::thinking::thinking: i call noob but it still is funny...

[mocha latte cupcake]

amazing... what is your true purpose in cryo treating something? i mean are you TRULY going to achieve ULTRA horsepower? i mean look @ the very few hondas on here that are in the 500+ hp range... now my vtec speak might be a little rusty but i almost NEVER EVER remember reading someones mods list and seeing the words -cryotreated XXXXXX-

i believe its a waste of time for your street machine, buy GOOD quality parts and you'll never have issues as long as you do it right the first time!

[collins]

the jdm has spoken!

[DirtyMechanic]

amazing... what is your true purpose in cryo treating something? i mean are you TRULY going to achieve ULTRA horsepower? i mean look @ the very few hondas on here that are in the 500+ hp range... now my vtec speak might be a little rusty but i almost NEVER EVER remember reading someones mods list and seeing the words -cryotreated XXXXXX-

i believe its a waste of time for your street machine, buy GOOD quality parts and you'll never have issues as long as you do it right the first time! quality parts and put together by someone who knows what they are doing and has done it a few hundred times. and not by joe shmo in his back yard that deals with domestics and says he can do a honda.

[redrumracer]

you really dont need the cryo if you but good quality parts. but seeing that its a honda you might need all the help you can get.
qft :D :D

[AnTi-PooN]

you really dont need the cryo if you but good quality parts. but seeing that its a honda you might need all the help you can get.

hmmm.... i help alot if nissan drivers lose girlfreinds in my HoNda:crazy:

[DirtyMechanic]

hmmm.... i help alot if nissan drivers lose girlfreinds in my HoNda:crazy: i call bs but then again what are these "nissans?" Sentra's with bent up sheet metal and faded paint from the early 90's or something more the lines of a late model mt.fuji....?

[SPOOLIN]

what about cryo treating tranny parts. Engine parts, i cant see a benefit to that.

[Big J]

Transmission yes, especially if there is no aftermarket gear set available for the application. A good shot peen, cryotreatment and, and nitride job on a tranny. But you'd really need to be pushing big power to make it worth while.

With my motor the long stroke, short rod, high piston speeds, creates torsional vibrations that act like an impact hammer on the trans gears once the revs go high enough.


As far as the motor is concerned, good parts and good machine work will go a long way.

[DirtyMechanic]

Transmission yes, especially if there is no aftermarket gear set available for the application. A good shot peen, cryotreatment and, and nitride job on a tranny. But you'd really need to be pushing big power to make it worth while.

With my motor the long stroke, short rod, high piston speeds, creates torsional vibrations that act like an impact hammer on the trans gears once the revs go high enough.


As far as the motor is concerned, good parts and good machine work will go a long way. i wouldnt shot peen a gear. this makes the parts slightly smaller and if gear dont mesh right. no matter how strong they are then will smack and explode.

[Big J]

read this, get smart

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5506/is_199802/ai_n21428028

A properly peened gear set will last way longer than a non peened gear set set to the same clearances, end of story.

[DirtyMechanic]

read this, get smart

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5506/is_199802/ai_n21428028

A properly peened gear set will last way longer than a non peened gear set set to the same clearances, end of story.im not saying a shot peened gear set isnt going to last longer with the same clearances.... thats what im trying to get at... it has to be the same clearances because that little slack is what is going to kill the gears otherwise. of course they will last longer when shot peened. but shot peen makes the parts smaller ever so slightly... clearances do change when shot peened.

[Big J]

it doesn't change the size enough to be an issue, we're talking changes on a microscopic level.

[clappe]

What place in Georgia can shot peen gears? And, about how much does that usually cost?

Somebody also mentioned nitriding. I've heard about that being done to crank shafts. Who does that in Georgia?

Thanks.

[Big J]

nitriding and shotpeen are both surface treatments, cryotreating will affect the entire thickness of the metal.

Don't know of anyone in Ga that does it, maybe Sunbelt has someone they use.

[Lusos]

I've heard nothing but good thinking about cryo treating engine parts and plan on doing mine as well as transmission parts but I was wondering are their any downsides to doing this process or concerns I should look for????

I've heard great things about doing engine internals. in the case of the Isuzu Impulse Rs pistons, they already came forged. When rebuilding, most of us just hsip them in for Cyro-treating and it makes everything brand new. The deep-freezing is supposed to force the stress' out of the metal.


As for things like gears, that's no so much of a good idea. By cryo-treating thin pieces, this causes them to be "fragile" in a way. Things chip off easier and stuff, of course, breaks easier. I don't know how, but most cyro-treaters advise against it.