Official bash civics thread

[green91]

Since i LOL daily at the civic/honda bashing on this site, i figured everyone needed a thread to vent.

Most common arguments in the case THE PEOPLE v. CIVIC

-everyone has one
-fwd is wrong wheel drive
-civic owners are ricers
-civic owners get rev'd at by other cars

Lets hear your opinions. Also please post what kind of car you drive.

EDIT:

Since some people can't read:

I own 2 civics. I made this thread for the sheer fact i think its funny that people keep using the same few arguments over and over to bash them. So rather than polluting every thread that says honda or civic in it, i gave haters a place to do it here.

[The BUCKY]

civic

[VooDooXII]

Just don't like them. Personal thing. I think they're boring cars.

I drive a SAAB.

[japan4racing]

i have had about 7 civics and i currently drive an integra...my slowest civic being a high 14 second car and the fastest was a low 12 second 4 door dx. it sucks that 99% of civic drivers are complete ass tards..and it makes the 1% of us that actually do something with a civic look foolish. regardless of what brand car you like, regardless of if you like fwd, rwd, or awd you should be able to appreciate a quick car. honda is my platform for drag racing but i dont talk **** about stangs or vettes...i like a fast car regardless of the make or drivetrain. and at the end of the day there are just as many ******s cruising in 240's, neons. eclipses, mustangs, camaros, you name it and i guarantee a queer is messing it up for the rest of the guys.

/thread

[green91]

for the record i have 2 civics :)

[b17a1db2]

i have had about 7 civics and i currently drive an integra...my slowest civic being a high 14 second car and the fastest was a low 12 second 4 door dx. it sucks that 99% of civic drivers are complete ass tards..and it makes the 1% of us that actually do something with a civic look foolish. regardless of what brand car you like, regardless of if you like fwd, rwd, or awd you should be able to appreciate a quick car. honda is my platform for drag racing but i dont talk **** about stangs or vettes...i like a fast car regardless of the make or drivetrain. and at the end of the day there are just as many ******s cruising in 240's, neons. eclipses, mustangs, camaros, you name it and i guarantee a queer is messing it up for the rest of the guys.

/thread

agreed reps

[Captain-Obvious™]

i drive a civic and I like it...I like 240s mustangs vettes yotas and all the others as well I just choose to drive a civic I don't think we need a thread to bash them...and if we do It should most likely be in the whoreslounge

[Bruce Leroy]

Honestly, civics aren't gay, maybe they used to be a few years ago.... but now 240's are gay. Everyone and their mom has one, and they all swear that they are mad tyte drifters.

[slow_hatch]

I've put to much time and money into my civic ever to get rid of it, so.....I like it

[green91]

now that is gay

[slow_hatch]

I think im gonna put a K20 in it. How much you think I can sell my original setup for?? lol

[SlowsterCivy]

I drive a civic (hatch). I like it for a 4 banger car, I would pick it if i had to have a 4 banger. I do not like the fact that my civic is a hatch.

[Spektrewing386]

civics are ment to be grocery getters. lets keep it that way

[blackshine007]

I don't hate Honda's, just I dislike some of the owners who feel that honda>all other brands. Great example is some of those assqueef's on youtube. Let's say you post a vid of a car not very much known for doing much of anything literally crapping all over one of the all time favorites like the RSX-S then there's always at least one idiot that's gonna come on there and say something like "I know you can't beat mine" or something outlandishly faggish. Those are the ones who I don't like.

[Arm&hammer]

i have had about 7 civics and i currently drive an integra...my slowest civic being a high 14 second car and the fastest was a low 12 second 4 door dx. it sucks that 99% of civic drivers are complete ass tards..and it makes the 1% of us that actually do something with a civic look foolish. regardless of what brand car you like, regardless of if you like fwd, rwd, or awd you should be able to appreciate a quick car. honda is my platform for drag racing but i dont talk **** about stangs or vettes...i like a fast car regardless of the make or drivetrain. and at the end of the day there are just as many ******s cruising in 240's, neons. eclipses, mustangs, camaros, you name it and i guarantee a queer is messing it up for the rest of the guys.

/thread

i 100% agree with this guy

[bandydesign]

This has become the "desperately defend Civics!" thread


Who cares lets make some jokes people!

Oh, and I drive a ranger ;)

[j0nbunklah0m]

i 100% agree with this guy

x2

[sikfricks]

i have had tons of cars literally and worked on them to and i just got my first Honda/Acura this year planned on building it and selling it but i fell in love im coming out of the mini trucking scene (i miss it) to this. hondas are so easy to build and cheap to make fast compared to some. everything is basically bolt on i am used to my truck being down all winter just for a small mod. anything thats fast and helps me pick up chicks is cool to me

[blackshine007]

This has become the "desperately defend Civics!" thread


Who cares lets make some jokes people!

Oh, and I drive a ranger ;)
Alrighty.


When VTAK fails, well, ummm you have just a torqueless sh!tbox on 4 skinny wheels. That's it.

The average civic owner has a fart can (ergo folger's coffee can) sticking out the back and brags that is for "performance" when really it's just an annoyance. All that noise and half of them are still slow. Slow in vain and lost at heart. Some of the Honda guys fail.

[sikfricks]

non vtak pushing over 600 whats a mazda with out its turbo

[blackshine007]

Our Mazda's get quite nasty with boost. Where's your tq?
http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/800HP_KLV6/wetdream.html
http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/V6_baja/KLZE_cars/gem1.jpg
http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/V6_baja/KLZE_cars/gem8.jpg
http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/V6_baja/KLZE_cars/ZE_cars.htm

[brandenj]

Honestly, civics aren't gay, maybe they used to be a few years ago.... but now 240's are gay. Everyone and their mom has one, and they all swear that they are mad tyte drifters.
haha, isn't that the truth

[FRYLOCK]

Our Mazda's get quite nasty with boost. Where's your tq?
http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/800HP_KLV6/wetdream.html
http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/V6_baja/KLZE_cars/gem1.jpg
http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/V6_baja/KLZE_cars/gem8.jpg
http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/V6_baja/KLZE_cars/ZE_cars.htm








yea like that car can even go newhere with those ****ing gay ass wheels

[FRYLOCK]

i really feel bad for green 91 this is THREAD http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/anfgermany/1072074649_a7db6b9630.jpg

[quickdodge®]

First off, I have had 4 Civics. None of them being your average, everyday one. A 1983 HB, a 1983 SW, a 1977 1200 and my current car...a 1979 CVCC.

Civics are the most boring, predictable cars on the road. You don't need a crystal ball to accurately guess as to what that car will look like in a few months. When these cars first started appearing on the roads, modified, I was one of who who broke his neck trying to watch it until it got out of sight. But that was one million, two hundred fifty-three thousand five hundred and thirty-four modified Civics ago. And that's just in Gwinnett and Clayton Counties. There is pretty much not one thing a Civic owner can do to their car that hasn't been done at least 20 or more times already. Except for hanging teddy bears on the back of them. And there's a reason no one does that.

And the people that truly believe that Honda is God's gift to the racing world?

I don't need to elaborate on that last comment/question. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

/thread

You're nowhere near having this kind of status.


agreed reps

Offset. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

yea like that car can even go newhere with those ****ing gay ass wheels

For the first time you said something worth a damn. Why in the fucc would someone modify, so beautifully, that car and then put those wheels on it? The fucc was that all about? Later, QD.

[blackshine007]

For the first time you said something worth a damn. Why in the fucc would someone modify, so beautifully, that car and then put those wheels on it? The fucc was that all about? Later, QD.
I can definately agree on that. They could've changed the wheels to something else. But that car is from Austrailia. And you still can't deny the 1000hp claim. But once you get past the wheels, it's a beast.

[rizzler]

i drive a civic coupe... but only for the insane gas mileage i get

[green91]

i really feel bad for green 91 this is THREAD

Reading pwns you. I own 2 civics. I made this thread for the sheer fact i think its funny that people keep using the same few arguments over and over to bash them. So rather than polluting every thread that says honda or civic in it, i gave haters a place to do it here. So i feel sorry for you.

[southside]

Lol I drive a civic But not a ricer.Everyone has there own likes and dislikes.I used to didnt like civics due to the movie "fart n furious".

[sikfricks]

its called power to weight ratio lightweights don't need 500ft/lbs of torque

[SlowsterCivy]

For a civic tires/rims, headlights is as far as I would go. They get great gas mileage. Slow as all get out. But I personally believe, they are always meant to be go slow, and trying to do otherwise, is pointless.

[SPOOLIN]

civics are just as stupid to others as neons and nissans and old mustangs and buicks and chevy's are to me. This is a never ending cycle and a worthless thread. Riced out civics can burn.

[OneSlow5pt0]

ive never liked civcs,guess cause as said thier boring...i mean yea,they can be modded into a fast car,and for some reason thier one of the few cars that make fun of my car,idk y

[quickdodge®]

i think its funny that people keep using the same few arguments over and over to bash them.

But, and tell the truth, aren't these "few arguments" basically valid? Don't the majority (and I mean high majority) think that Civics are the only cars out there worth modifying? Aren't Civics the most popular car out there to modify? Doesn't (pretty much) every single Civic out there have at least 20 twins out there? I'm not bashing this thread. Just pointing out facts. Later, QD.

[green91]

QD there are certainly ignorant owners of nearly an car make/model. Its just that I find it very ironic that most people who dont own hondas and constantly bash them also tend to fall within some sort of stereotype themselves in what they drive and how they are modified.

Hondas in general are very popular because they are easy to modify and see results with a minimal amount of money invested. Same reason 240s are popular. Having owned several hondas and worked on ALOT of others, i appreciate their design and lego-like interchangeability. Infact the only thing i really dislike is the fact that some people are so scared to seem like a conformist that even if they see a nicely done honda they won't give it any respect. Yet these are usually the same people who usually drive a 240, mustang, corvette, miata or some other car that have also been a part of the modified car scene.

[quickdodge®]

Its just that I find it very ironic that most people who dont own hondas and constantly bash them also tend to fall within some sort of stereotype themselves in what they drive and how they are modified.

As you know, I'm not one who hasn't owned a Honda. In addition to the 4 Civics I've had, I've also owned two Accords. And I started out in a Neon, myself. That was/is the low man on the totem pole when it comes to car modding.


Hondas in general are very popular because they are easy to modify and see results with a minimal amount of money invested.

Easy to modify I agree with. The other two I don't. I don't know about now, but in the early 2000s, Hondas took a lot of money to make it quicker than stock.


Infact the only thing i really dislike is the fact that some people are so scared to seem like a conformist that even if they see a nicely done honda they won't give it any respect.

My thing is the people with Civics usually think they're car is above all others. They all say they do their Civics to be different. That is my favorite line by a Civic owner. Different and Civic do not need to be in the same sentence, lolol. Ever. Later, QD.

[SlowsterCivy]

Yeah that's true doing too much to a civic could result badly. For example. Mindori Green....

[OneSlow5pt0]

non vtak pushing over 600 whats a mazda with out its turbo

umm..bout 750hp N/A

[green91]

Yeah that's true doing too much to a civic could result badly. For example. Mindori Green....

Depends on whats been done to it

[SlowsterCivy]

Depends on whats been done to it

I drive that color civic. And it matters none what is or is not done to it. It still looks terrible.

[southside]

But, and tell the truth, aren't these "few arguments" basically valid? Don't the majority (and I mean high majority) think that Civics are the only cars out there worth modifying? Aren't Civics the most popular car out there to modify? Doesn't (pretty much) every single Civic out there have at least 20 twins out there? I'm not bashing this thread. Just pointing out facts. Later, QD.true:goodjob: Next week it will be 30

[Hondatypr636]

Hey QD :2up: Seems like all you do is sit around all day and bash on everyone elses comments. You must need a job if u have 48,xxx post. I like my civic i have onwned 4. Ive also owned a SVT focus and a GST eclipse. My civic is fun to drive, econimical, and cheap insurance.

[SlowsterCivy]

Hey QD :2up: Seems like all you do is sit around all day and bash on everyone elses comments. You must need a job if u have 48,xxx post. I like my civic i have onwned 4. Ive also owned a SVT focus and a GST eclipse. My civic is fun to drive, econimical, and cheap insurance.

It does look like that. He made a purge much comment toward me, and I thought to myself?? :thinking:


I wish my car was not so ugly. Otherwise, I'd be ok. Color bothers me. And the fact that it as no butt!

[twinj]

*Grabs a Seat*

[Hondatypr636]

Itdoes look like that. I got bashed for being skinny. If I weighed 200lbs, I wonder if he'd have liked it better.

I wish my car was not so ugly. Otherwise, I'd be ok.

Why did you get bashed for being to skinny. Did you have a pic of yourself. Why do you care what he thinks. He finds anyway he can to put anyone down.

[SlowsterCivy]

Why did you get bashed for being to skinny. Did you have a pic of yourself. Why do you care what he thinks. He finds anyway he can to put anyone down.

Yeah, I did on the interracial dating thread (i do). Pictures were wanted so i posted them, and because im tiny, and have muscles on my stomach i'm assuming he said purge much. I don't care what he says, just really taken back he would say that to a women.

[twinj]

^^^ Did you just change your avatar?

[SlowsterCivy]

^^^ Did you just change your avatar?

Yes sir.

[Footefan52]

Back on subject.

I hate civics because 98.27% of the owners don't know a fast car when it hits them in the vagina. When a civic pulls up next to me at a red light and rev's, I look them in the eye and laugh. I don't need to waste my gas on that crap. Oh and same goes for the stupid Cobalt SS.
And the fart can has got to sound better in the car than outside cause there is no way someone would do that to themselves.
Bottom line is that civics were made to get good gas mileage and not to modify. If you feel the need to mod a civic take a good long look at some vintage cars. Like the old school mini cooper. Vintage racers are making 160hp out of a motor that originally made less than 90 without a turbo.

Cliff notes: If your going to own a civic do one of two things:
1- Get good gas mileage.
2- Mod it but do it right

[SlowsterCivy]

But clearly everyones idea of mod it right...is so different, some mod it rice, others mod it the proper way (to what their vision is), either way, noone would agree on what is "modded right"

[green91]

Im actually a HUGE fan of midori green, i think it looks badass when done right. In fact one of my EFs is the teal green which is a few shades off from the midori green.

[Hondatypr636]

i guess he just likes those big girls

[SlowsterCivy]

i guess he just likes those big girls

LOL.

I'm not a big girls by any means. But I do drive that color civic, and I do find it to be unattractive, and looks like someone mixed a bunch of ugly colors on it, and came out with the color I have.

[green91]

maybe im beating a dead horse but check this thread out: its essentially pics of midori green hondas on h-t

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1419806

[Hondatypr636]

i didnt say you were a big girl. looks like you got a nice body. girl drives hatch=sexy

[SlowsterCivy]

maybe im beating a dead horse but check this thread out: its essentially pics of midori green hondas on h-t

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1419806

I don't see anything nice looking about that? It is puke green.

What is the point of carbon fiber....where the truck closes?

[OneDurtyZ]

Fit > Civic :)

[quickdodge®]

You must need a job if u have 48,xxx post.

I must need a job. I don't know how I'll ever pay for this 2$200k house and 3 cars without working. Shut up you fucc. Until you know what you're talking about, only open your piehole when my dicc is in front of your face.


I don't care what he says, just really taken back he would say that to a women.

It was a joke you dumb whore. Take it or leave it. Idon't care what I say to other women. I'm not trying to impress you or anyone else.


He finds anyway he can to put anyone down.

Not just anyone. Idiots, dumbasses and morons. Which one are you? Later, QD.

[Footefan52]

You guys suck at making a 'bash civic' thread. I think it has turned more into a 'lets make me feel ok about my civic' thread

Plain and simple either don't mod it or if you have to make it "fast" don't touch the outside. Start where honda went wrong and redo the motor (top and bottom ends) and fuel delivery system

[green91]

^^^ this guy is the exact kind of tool i was trying to attract by making this thread.

[Just_CHill]

I must need a job. I don't know how I'll ever pay for this 2$200k house and 3 cars without working. Shut up you fucc. Until you know what you're talking about, only open your piehole when my dicc is in front of your face.



It was a joke you dumb whore. Take it or leave it. Idon't care what I say to other women. I'm not trying to impress you or anyone else.



Not just anyone. Idiots, dumbasses and morons. Which one are you? Later, QD.
At it again I see.....

And with the name calling:no:
It's not necessary man. Calm it down just a little. We are all friends:cheers:
Lol, well maybe not that far. But yeeaaahhh........

[SlowsterCivy]

At it again I see.....

And with the name calling:no:
It's not necessary man. Calm it down just a little. We are all friends:cheers:
Lol, well maybe not that far. But yeeaaahhh........

I didn't even see where he called me a name.

[JDMB20]

Hey i drive a civic and ya its clean and hopefully about to beat the state record for all motor b-series N/A 237 i hope to make 240+ so thats my gool like it or leave it

Oh dont piss of Quickdodge he will start to think he has "mod" powers F@ck him

[Just_CHill]

I didn't even see where he called me a name.

It was a joke you dumb whore.

I guess that's what you call "name calling.":thinking:

[SlowsterCivy]

It was a joke you dumb whore.

I guess that's what you call "name calling.":thinking:


Yeah, dumb whore is a name calling sisuation to me.

[Just_CHill]

Lol, just making sure.

[Code-Aye]

i drive a civic 4 Door, and you cant hate on civic's they are Fun to drive and the last forever, so stop hatin!!
USDM FTL

[xlilvi3tx]

most people just drive and mod civics because of the fuel comsuption and the money it takes the mod the car imo... cheap and inexpensive. problems with civics is really the driver, not the car itself. about more then half of civics owners tend to think they can beat anything on the road with just intake and header. and that where it makes the car look bad. i can admit civics can be fast but only for drag purposes but not track or anything. i got nothin against the car but just against the dumbass driver at a red like and rev like crazy. imo a civic is a great car, if it wasnt, the car wouldnt sell so great. great for those that just want a good DD to get from A to B. and also, i have nothin against any other makes. i respect all makes its just some have more potential in other compartments then others....

[SlowsterCivy]

Lol, just making sure.

Well ok then. :goodjob:

[quickdodge®]

At it again I see.....

Funny as how you single me out of everyone else that "bashed" Civics. And I didn't even do so. Oh well. I see my image in your brain consumes you to do so.


And with the name calling:no:
It's not necessary man. Calm it down just a little.

Maybe it's not for you to decide how I conduct myself on here. I've been at this loong before you were here and I will continue on this path.


We are all friends:cheers:
Lol, well maybe not that far. But yeeaaahhh........

Not that far. But that's on you.


I didn't even see where he called me a name.

I called you a "dumb whore."


Oh dont piss of Quickdodge he will start to think he has "mod" powers

I've never thought I have mod powers, dummy. I see illiteracy has entertained your brain for a bit. It was made perfectly clear that my "mod powers" are just a PM away.

Later, QD.

[SlowsterCivy]

Yeah if you called a women dumb, it's one thing but stick whore on it, and you respect women NONE

[Just_CHill]

Funny as how you single me out of everyone else that "bashed" Civics. And I didn't even do so. Oh well. I see my image in your brain consumes you to do so.

Maybe it's not for you to decide how I conduct myself on here. I've been at this loong before you were here and I will continue on this path.

Later, QD.

Well it's because we've had this talk before on one of other threads. If you feel like looking back then go ahead. Kinda like when you were in school and the teachers got on the trouble makers more than they would get on the not so bad people. You put yourself out there MULTIPLE times (I'll say 20,000 times {just a guess of coarse lol}) so you should be use to people putting you on the spot. Well actually you seem to be. That's why you are so talented on defending you views and comments.

I know it's not for me to decide how you conduct yourself. Only some Constructive Criticism. Just saying you need to chill man.

[quickdodge®]

Yeah if you called a women dumb, it's one thing but stick whore on it, and you respect women NONE

Lolol. I'm reminded of a time a long time ago (last week) when I had to refresh some youngster on here of my favorite Internet word. That word, you might ask? Assumptions. You assume too much, trick. Slow down.


Well it's because we've had this talk before on one of other threads. If you feel like looking back then go ahead.

I know it's not for me to decide how you conduct yourself. Only some Constructive Criticism. Just saying you need to chill man.

We've had this talk? Huh? The fucc you think we are? Family? Come on..we don't "have this talk." And only two people on here just say for me to chill. And none of those names start with a T. Later, QD.

[Just_CHill]

Lolol. I'm reminded of a time a long time ago (last week) when I had to refresh some youngster on here of my favorite Internet word. That word, you might ask? Assumptions. You assume too much, trick. Slow down.



We've had this talk? Huh? The fucc you think we are? Family? Come on..we don't "have this talk." And only two people on here just say for me to chill. And none of those names start with a T. Later, QD.
Lol, see defensive. If you would just calm down and not twist things around so much then you would know what I'm talking about.

[quickdodge®]

Lol, see defensive. If you would just calm down and not twist things around so much then you would know what I'm talking about.

Twist? I don't twist anything. I'm fully capable of understanding what you're "trying" to say. And you can't put someone on the spot unless there is validity to their argument. I haven't been put in that predicament because I haven't come across anyone with any valid points against me.


That's why you are so talented on defending you views and comments.

I'm "talented" because I know what I talk about and I don't generalize or base my info off trivial sources. Later, QD.

[redrumracer]

its not just the civic, i dont like the whole line up.

[Just_CHill]

Well when you are "fully capable" of knowing what I was trying to say and then you turned it into me talking to you as if we were family (which is strange), then that's what I would call twisting.

Valid Point #1: Name calling when she hasn't disrespected you in any way on this thread.


But dude, I'm tired and have to wake up in the morning and play soldier for another week, so I will continue tomorrow. Later, TChill.:goodjob:

[quickdodge®]

Valid Point #1:

Not really. She brought herself into this by joining in the conversation and bringing up a different instance in a different thread. Had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nix on "Valid" Point #1. Next. Later, QD.

[Footefan52]

^^^ this guy is the exact kind of tool i was trying to attract by making this thread.

I lol'd a bit on this one.

You made a thread as an "opinion based" discussion and then call them names when you get an opinion from the poster.

Now take a step back and think to yourself. Who is the tool in this situation?

I wouldn't like what I saw in the diveway either

[Oz10]

lol @ quickdodge
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x82/line_noise/shutyourmouth.jpg

[quickdodge®]

^^^ Lolol. Later, QD.

[Just_CHill]

Not really. She brought herself into this by joining in the conversation and bringing up a different instance in a different thread. Had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nix on "Valid" Point #1. Next. Later, QD.

I will give you partial nix on my current "Valid" Point #1. She did bring it upon herself for that subject to be opened back up. But she did not ask for the disrespect. So I will changed my "Valid" Point #1 to- Respect/Disrespect.

[Nemesis]

I actually like Civics....the quiet ones.

[SlowsterCivy]

I actually like Civics....the quiet ones.

Yeah most people don't enjoy the bumble bee noise :)

[quickdodge®]

I will give you partial nix on my current "Valid" Point #1. She did bring it upon herself for that subject to be opened back up. But she did not ask for the disrespect. So I will changed my "Valid" Point #1 to- Respect/Disrespect.

I'm pretty sure you don't give me anything. Later, QD.

[japan4racing]

I'm pretty sure you don't give me anything. Later, QD.

what can you give a man that has everything?

[Just_CHill]

I'm pretty sure you don't give me anything. Later, QD.
Lol. Nothing physically of coarse.

[quickdodge®]

what can you give a man that has everything?

Not too much.


Nothing physically of coarse.

Or mentally or spiritually. Later, QD.

[boostedb16]

my hatch has 85 whp and i like mine lol........soon to be swapped.

[quickdodge®]

my hatch has 85 whp and i like mine lol........soon to be swapped.

Mine is almost as much as yours. Later, QD.

[Just_CHill]

Or mentally or spiritually. Later, QD.

Lol, ok.....

[JITB]

alot of civic drivers, lack the boldness to be original. its like their scared to do what they want to do. They sit around and see what everyone else is doing than do it. Most of them look the same. And i was starting to dislike the wheel choices last year with alto of civics, the crazy wheel colors...that dont match nothing on the car. its almost like civic drivers decide what is cool for everyone.. **** that. When broke people where painting stock wheels they were ricers.... now its cool. when broke people were cuttign there springs to get as low as possible, they were idiots... now its the thing to do! i dont hate on any car, i love seeing something different.... all my vehicles have never looked like anyone elses, and never will.

BUT i do like civics...id buy one!.. id rock a blue 00 Si, the lat real Si!!

[SlowsterCivy]

alot of civic drivers, lack the boldness to be original. its like their scared to do what they want to do. They sit around and see what everyone else is doing than do it. Most of them look the same. And i was starting to dislike the wheel choices last year with alto of civics, the crazy wheel colors...that dont match nothing on the car. its almost like civic drivers decide what is cool for everyone.. **** that. When broke people where painting stock wheels they were ricers.... now its cool. when broke people were cuttign there springs to get as low as possible, they were idiots... now its the thing to do! i dont hate on any car, i love seeing something different.... all my vehicles have never looked like anyone elses, and never will.

BUT i do like civics...id buy one!.. id rock a blue 00 Si, the lat real Si!!


I thought civic drivers only painted their wheels, if they were old, yucky looking, and rusted. I don't think civics should have spoilders unless its an SI (stock spoiler)

[JITB]

I thought civic drivers only painted their wheels, if they were old, yucky looking, and rusted. I don't think civics should have spoilders unless its an SI (stock spoiler)

some doo.. but most dont

[SlowsterCivy]

Well I also thought it was extremely ghetto, to pain a hood.....black to make it look like it's actually fiber glass/close to carbon fiber. Seen people do that. Think it's really tacky.

[JITB]

But see some people just want a a black hood, noone (with any sense) expects to fool anyone to make it look like c/f.

[SlowsterCivy]

But see some people just want a a black hood, noone expects to fool anyone to make it look like c/f.

Then have it painted the proper way, and not with spray paint.

[JITB]

Then have it painted the proper way, and not with spray paint.


you missed the point, some people want it black... i had a balck hood on my protege but i bought a hood from the pullapart that was white my car was green, and sanded it down, and sprayed it black.... i was brokeas hell. couldnt get it painted. So i settled with it, and rocked the **** out of it.... i got a friend who has black hoods on all his cars. The thing is you got to do what you want and stick to your own style. And the people who like it will overtake the others..

[SlowsterCivy]

you missed the point, some people want it black... i had a balck hood on my protege but i bought a hood from the pullapart that was white my car was green, and sanded it down, and sprayed it black.... i was brokeas hell. couldnt get it painted. So i settled with it, and rocked the **** out of it.... i got a friend who has black hoods on all his cars. The thing is you got to do what you want and stick to your own style. And the people who like it will overtake the others..

I got the point but I never got why people used spray paint..if it were me i wouls wait till i had the cash then by the hood already plainted black

[blackshine007]

I got the point but I never got why people used spray paint..if it were me i wouls wait till i had the cash then by the hood already plainted black
I'm gonna spray my whole front end black. Flat black. :tongue1:

[JITB]

I'm gonna spray my whole front end black. Flat black. :tongue1:


remember when flat black cars where cool...lol that lasted about 6 months..lol

[blackshine007]

I'm a late trender. I'm more of a walmart specialist :look:

[SlowsterCivy]

I'm a late trender. I'm more of a walmart specialist :look:


LMAO:cheers: :D

[DESTRO_91]

I've never owned a Honda, but I've driven a couple. They are fun. Personality defines the kind of car you drive and what you do to it (budget plays a major role too). In all honesty, the Civic is the cornerstone of this whole forum. The import tuner scene in the US was built around the Civic. After a while some people just wanted to add a little diversity to our culture ie. Nissans, Mazdas, Toyotas, etc. Enough with the sensibilities, this jdm kick everybody is on now is being taken too far. Stuffed animals hanging from hooks, super slammed hatches, primer paint schemes, and no matter what they are on, LS mesh wheels are horrific. Lastly, here is one of the many questions I could ask, How many Civics riding around with stock or stockish wheels would look better with a set of Gram Lights, SSR's, or ADVAN's? Just my take on it.

[EK Hotch]

I like my little hondas. they are a blast to drive, and best of all (at least to me) my wife likes them. And yeah, I ride on steelies painted white. I figured steelies haven't been cool for a while, so why not at least attempt to sorta stand out plus I'm cheap as hell!

[DESTRO_91]

you missed the point, some people want it black... i had a balck hood on my protege but i bought a hood from the pullapart that was white my car was green, and sanded it down, and sprayed it black.... i was brokeas hell. couldnt get it painted. So i settled with it, and rocked the **** out of it.... i got a friend who has black hoods on all his cars. The thing is you got to do what you want and stick to your own style. And the people who like it will overtake the others..
Cool, if that's the look you are going for or you just can't afford a real paint job at the moment; because people have real life obligations and resposibilities outside of their cars. But make no mistake, if money were no object and you got the car you really wanted, there would be no way in hell you would ride on spray painted steelies and rock a spray painted hood. I applaud originality, but keep it real.

[JITB]

Cool, if that's the look you are going for or you just can't afford a real paint job at the moment; because people have real life obligations and resposibilities outside of their cars. But make no mistake, if money were no object and you got the car you really wanted, there would be no way in hell you would ride on spray painted steelies and rock a spray painted hood. I applaud originality, but keep it real.


i mean of course, i woudl have liked it painted, and have had aftermarket wheels.. Im not saying i wouldnt have if i could. But in the real world, it dont happen, so in the mean time u work with what u got.

BUT, this aint about all that...lol Its about originality, and stickin to what you like. There are plenty of nicely modified cars with painted oem wheels, and black hoods. I hate the mentality that alto of civic drivers have and its like their scared to do what they want.

[DESTRO_91]

Gotcha man.

[RWD164]

Ok,

Having read through all the posts on this thread I have a couple questions and comments for the parties involved. First, I can respect wanting to modify a Honda (be it a Del Sol, Civic, Accord...Whatever) but does anyone modify a car with practicality in mind? I see Civics with large spoilers in the back, scoops on the fenders leading nowhere, glue on hood scoops, racing stripes, lowering kits, and a whole range on other bolt on accessories. The thing is, none of this seems to improve the cars performance. I can respect this is done for aesthetics, what you do to your car is your business. However, there is a disconnect I have found with this general idea. Most of the body kits I have seen are usually some other color than the car (specifically, shades of grey primer). Why do you people spend the money on a body kit and not have it match the car. If money is the arguement, then do something you can afford. I always love when I see one of these cars parked way off in the distance in a supermarket parking lot, as if there is something to protect... Anyhow, I digress...

Secondly, Who convinced those of you in Civic land that Front wheel drive cars make good drag cars? Simple physics shows that as a car accelerates forward the weight is distributed to the rear wheels and off the front wheels. Seems counterproductive to take weight off your drive wheels, seeing how they are kinda important in drag racing. Do us all a favor and keep your front wheel drive cars off the strip and where they belong, on public streets, in bumper to bumper traffic, getting their occupants from point A to point B.

On to responding to this thread. In response/defense for Footefan52, you in ricer nation should look into vintage cars, either for ideas or at least a grounding point before you think your civic with exhaust is anything more that a noisy daily driver. Case and point, the original badass front wheel drive car was the Mini Cooper S. Not the shameful BMW built version, but the real British version. These cars had at best 75hp from the factory and they are a blast to drive. Very simple notion, shed weight and you don’t need so much power. Less power puts less strain on the internal bits of the engine, which means the engines just did not wear out. Most importantly, these cars were LIGHT (A place where cars today have lost their way). Sorry for the tangent, but to sum up this section, there have been a lot of decent FWD cars, but none have been anything more than simple family cars.

Onto the bashing, which part of swapping a 1.8L for a 2.0L makes you feel good about yourselves? This is a complete and utter waste of time and resources. There have been lots of powerful under 2 Liter engines (Look up Alfa Romeo 1.6L, Lola T-210, Porsche 914, Lotus Elan/Europe, Coventry Climax). All of these motors were used in racing and they all do something Civic motors do not. They Rev. You want to make your Honda go, start on the inside. Cams, headwork, higher compression, and lighter internals are what make good motors. If you can’t afford/are not smart enough for this, then you can try headers and intake. Headers make power, 4in exhaust tips do not. They add sound, but sound does not make you fast, it makes you annoying.

In conclusion, everyone who owns a Civic should accept they have a reliable car that should be left alone. You want performance, buy a car that was designed be someone what know what the hell they are doing. I think they call those people engineers… Bolting on fancy wheels, changing headlights/taillights, adding an exhaust tip, tinting your windows, buying a body kit, revving at traffic lights; these things do not make you a car guy, they make you a fool (more specifically a fool that keeps Nopi and Pepboys in business). I know this post is a bit long, but for those who made it through, I would like you reply so I can better understand what drives you to these mediocre cars. Please be considerate and use proper grammar and spelling (unlike most on the incoherent, hateful drivel on this site)

MA

P.S. In case you were wondering what I drive…

1976 BMW 2002

1974 Volvo 164E

1966 Alfa Romeo Guilia Spring GT

(No I’m not Rich, total purchase price for all 3…$6850)

[quickdodge®]

P.S. In case you were wondering what I drive…

1976 BMW 2002

1974 Volvo 164E

1966 Alfa Romeo Guilia Spring GT

(No I’m not Rich, total purchase price for all 3…$6850)



I need to get at you. Old school style. Later, QD.

[Just_CHill]

Ok,

Secondly, Who convinced those of you in Civic land that Front wheel drive cars make good drag cars? Simple physics shows that as a car accelerates forward the weight is distributed to the rear wheels and off the front wheels. Seems counterproductive to take weight off your drive wheels, seeing how they are kinda important in drag racing. Do us all a favor and keep your front wheel drive cars off the strip and where they belong, on public streets, in bumper to bumper traffic, getting their occupants from point A to point B.




SAY WHAT!!!!!

There are many 4cyl drag cars that would put many other drag cars to shame! Phuck physics!!!:tongue1:

P.S. No I'm not making my car into a drag car so that's not the reason of this response.

[RWD164]

SAY WHAT!!!!!

There are many 4cyl drag cars that would put many other drag cars to shame! Phuck physics!!!:tongue1:

P.S. No I'm not making my car into a drag car so that's not the reason of this response.


See, you have it all wrong already. I did not specify 4 cylinder cars, my arguement was against FWD cars. As far as your dislike of physics, I can't help you. Want a good example of a dynamically good car for drag racing, Ariel Atom.

[Just_CHill]

See, you have it all wrong already. I did not specify 4 cylinder cars, my arguement was against FWD cars. As far as your dislike of physics, I can't help you. Want a good example of a dynamically good car for drag racing, Ariel Atom.
True. My fault on that one.

But, not everyone that has the urge to drag race need to have a RWD or one of those fancy English Ariel Atom's, or any other car that pre-built to be the fastest thing on earth. For one that car is probably extremely expensive. Two probably a good 48% of the people that drag race didn't have the money right away to say, "Hey lets go throw our thousands of dollars in and build this amazing race car." No, they had to work their ass off and build what they could and what they wanted.Two, That thing isn't even street legal (for those who like to have street legal drag cars.)

Their are many FWD cars out there that are monsters on the dragway, and for you to say screw them is out of this world. Why stick with one way of doing things? Is all wheel drive cars half wrong for drag racing?

Even DOMESTIC RWD producing companys have FWD drag cars. Like Pontiac and Chevy. Are wrong too? Come on man. I can understand bashing Civic, but all FWD cars.:no:

[bigdare23]

True. My fault on that one.

But, not everyone that has the urge to drag race need to have a RWD or one of those fancy English Ariel Atom's, or any other car that pre-built to be the fastest thing on earth. For one that car is probably extremely expensive. Two probably a good 48% of the people that drag race didn't have the money right away to say, "Hey lets go throw our thousands of dollars in and build this amazing race car." No, they had to work their ass off and build what they could and what they wanted.Two, That thing isn't even street legal (for those who like to have street legal drag cars.)

Their are many FWD cars out there that are monsters on the dragway, and for you to say screw them is out of this world. Why stick with one way of doing things? Is all wheel drive cars half wrong for drag racing?

Even DOMESTIC RWD producing companys have FWD drag cars. Like Pontiac and Chevy. Are wrong too? Come on man. I can understand bashing Civic, but all FWD cars.:no:

he wasn't bashing all FWD cars, just stating they aren't drag cars which is true

[JDMB20]

hey wat doesn it matter weather its for drag or the streat if u build the car and you like it then leave it y should ppl change just because some guy in a mustag siad ur a RICER wtf

also i have a built b20 vtec that WILL put over 240 to the wheels and i drive the car everyday full interior skunk2 exhaust and its not very loud yes i know wat loud is i can have the radion on like 3-4 and still hear it just fine and i go to school work and even to the track when i get a chance just to have fun i have spebt about 6ooo into the car and how much have mustang ppl spent on just there motor and car that not accesory to make the sh@t run

so if you want to hate then hate there will always be ppl to hate back

i drive a
99 HONDA CIVIC HB
2002 Mazda 6
any question then ask!

[bigdare23]

. i can admit civics can be fast but only for drag purposes but not track or anything.


You sir are a dumb ass :lmfao:


If anything, that statement should be reversed.

[OneSlow5pt0]

You sir are a dumb ass :lmfao:


If anything, that statement should be reversed.

lol,for real..CRX is a autox monster,im even thinking bout getting one,while im messing with my V8 pig

[bigdare23]

I believe the problem isn't "the civic", it's GA's scene. In Georgia, you cannot be original. As soon as you post a pic of your car on this site, or goto the Varsity meet, there's someone asking you "what is that?", "where did you get that?", "how much did you pay for that?" LOL, bitches can't be original here! GA is full of copycats. So the only way you can be original is by staying hidden.

Also, I hate when people just single out Civics when it come to "revving on people". I drive a CRX (which is a civic), and I get revved on by just about the same amount of mustangs as civics, so it's not just civic owners that do that LOL. When are people going to realize that being a ricer is not based on what car you drive. It's how you act behind the wheel!

Last, I'm in the process of building an eg, and I can promise you that it's going to be different from most riding around GA. For one, it's a 4dr (yeah yeah no hb here) and I'm collection rare parts and going the extra mile here and there to make it "my car", unlike most people. By the time I'm done, it's going to one of the nice and unique (yeah I'm going to calm unique LOL) egs around. :goodjob:

[khaxnguyen]

i'm a young guy.. a civic is the only thing i can afford....mou:( . lol i love my civic. it's like my phone. i'll miss it if it's gone. =P

[Footefan52]

Hell another argument presented: You don't have to be "original" if there is a good idea. I mean my subaru is not the most original thing on the road; however, it is functional (bends, straights, highway). If you want to build a car RWD164 makes a point. You spend money on wings and body kits. Since you say that money is always an issue, body kits are freaking expensive. Use that money toward an engine part such as cams, valves, valve springs.

Oh and the whole FWD drag cars: No point in arguing this cause all things have been said. As for all wheel drive cars being half wrong, no also. When you have all four contact points of the car to the ground spinning this makes for better 60' times which brings your overall time down.

[RWD164]

True. My fault on that one.

But, not everyone that has the urge to drag race need to have a RWD or one of those fancy English Ariel Atom's, or any other car that pre-built to be the fastest thing on earth. For one that car is probably extremely expensive. Two probably a good 48% of the people that drag race didn't have the money right away to say, "Hey lets go throw our thousands of dollars in and build this amazing race car." No, they had to work their ass off and build what they could and what they wanted.Two, That thing isn't even street legal (for those who like to have street legal drag cars.)

Their are many FWD cars out there that are monsters on the dragway, and for you to say screw them is out of this world. Why stick with one way of doing things? Is all wheel drive cars half wrong for drag racing?

Even DOMESTIC RWD producing companys have FWD drag cars. Like Pontiac and Chevy. Are wrong too? Come on man. I can understand bashing Civic, but all FWD cars.:no:

I am not questioning the intent of people that build drag cars from home. As for the Atom, it is very much street legal. Also, for the money that is spent on a FACTORY BACKED (Very important detail) FWD Drag cars such as the Pontiac and Chevy, you could buy a fleet of Atoms. All wheel drive cars would be good for drag racing, but weight has always been a problem for AWD Cars. Just because Domestic companies are making FWD drag cars does not mean they are good for drag racing. They exist purely because there is a class for them to be in. If there was a Rear engine, Front wheel drive class, I am postive GM would have a Car ready to go.

[Zeeb]

i had a 200 civic ex that was pretty clean and nice. nothing done overboard, it wasnt fast but i like driving it, all good things come to an end, i blew the engine and now own an s2000 :)

[RWD164]

I have one open ended question. Where did this grudge form between Civics and Mustangs? I always figured they were different enough to not clash. Besides, the Mustang was originally a 6-Cylinder "Sporty" Car for Women. Over the years, Ford has tried to evolve them into a more Man-ish car, but they are still cars for people who want an American V8 without the V8 atributes.

[OneSlow5pt0]

I have one open ended question. Where did this grudge form between Civics and Mustangs? I always figured they were different enough to not clash. Besides, the Mustang was originally a 6-Cylinder "Sporty" Car for Women. Over the years, Ford has tried to evolve them into a more Man-ish car, but they are still cars for people who want an American V8 without the V8 atributes.

i think its just because thier so popluar and u see them everywhere,so there like the the face imports and domestics,i mean mustangs are nice cars....ive driven a few and id rather drive my 3rd gen camaro,more fun,imo

[green91]

Because mustangs and v8s are symbolic of the muscle car era, whereas civics are small displacement and with boost or other work can also be very quick.

[Footefan52]

Because mustangs and v8s are symbolic of the muscle car era, whereas civics are small displacement and with boost or other work can also be very quick.

This should be a non-issue. A civic with a $2000 turbo kit on it is still slower than a mustang with $2000 in bolt-ons.

Soooo.... stock for stock civics are slower, and comparable mod work they are slower still.

The civic should be "rivals" with something like a mazda 3 or a camry not a mustang

[green91]

I think its also the fact that the civic was meant to be an econobox grocery getter and not some sort of sports car like most muscle cars.

[bigdare23]

Soooo.... stock for stock civics are slower, and comparable mod work they are slower still.



More than likely in a 1/4, but that's not the only form of racing. Take a mustang w/ $2000 worth of mods and a civic w/ $2000 worth of mods to the mountains ;)

[RWD164]

I think its also the fact that the civic was meant to be an econobox grocery getter and not some sort of sports car like most muscle cars.

Sports Car?!?!? Most muscle cars are as subtle as a brick and sporty they are not. Miata is a Sports car, MGB, Fiat 124, Mazda RX7/RX8, these are sports cars. Anything made by the Big 3 since 1965 can't be considered a sports car.

[Footefan52]

More than likely in a 1/4, but that's not the only form of racing. Take a mustang w/ $2000 worth of mods and a civic w/ $2000 worth of mods to the mountains ;)

You can make a mustang stiff as all hell with 2k. I hate mustangs just as much as civics in some cases but still a superior car in my eyes. Nothing get much lower than a civic in my eyes though. Maybe a Kia Rio or something

[RWD164]

Follow up question. Do Civic people ever, and I do mean ever, consider a Supercharger instead of a Turbo? Superchargers work well with little motors and give considerable gain. A lot easier to install too...

[OneDurtyZ]

Sports Car?!?!? Most muscle cars are as subtle as a brick and sporty they are not. Miata is a Sports car, MGB, Fiat 124, Mazda RX7/RX8, these are sports cars. Anything made by the Big 3 since 1965 can't be considered a sports car.

Saleen S7, Ford GT, i think the Dodge Viper is considered a sports car..i think, but i'd say for the most part thats true, but in the Big Three defense there really wasnt a market for sport cars in the states for a very long time

[Footefan52]

Follow up question. Do Civic people ever, and I do mean ever, consider a Supercharger instead of a Turbo? Superchargers work well with little motors and give considerable gain. A lot easier to install too...

Doesn't seem like it. It would be better though due to being belt driven. Although I have seen a supercharged s2000. That would sound cooler too cause you could put a quiet exhaust on it and then only hear the whine of the charger

[Footefan52]

Saleen S7, Ford GT, i think the Dodge Viper is considered a sports car..i think, but i'd say for the most part thats true, but in the Big Three defense there really wasnt a market for sport cars in the states for a very long time

I call the Viper a death trap. The ford GT is considered an "Exotic" same goes with the S7

[OneSlow5pt0]

Saleen S7, Ford GT, i think the Dodge Viper is considered a sports car..i think, but i'd say for the most part thats true, but in the Big Three defense there really wasnt a market for sport cars in the states for a very long time

those are not muscle cars,the saleen is a supercar and the other 2 are sports cars along with the vette

muscle car is something like a charger SRT8 or Impala SS

[OneDurtyZ]

those are not muscle cars,the saleen is a supercar and the other 2 are sports cars along with the vette

muscle car is something like a charger SRT8 or Impala SS

thats what i saying, i think he said that US Big three didnt make sports cars after 1965

[OneSlow5pt0]

thats what i saying, i think he said that US Big three didnt make sports cars after 1965

yea i reread that sorry.....the AMC AMX is a sports car, the fiero is........idk bout camaro and firebirds,i wouldnt call them sports cars

[OneDurtyZ]

yea i reread that sorry.....the AMC AMX is a sports car, the fiero is........idk bout camaro and firebirds,i wouldnt call them sports cars

np, as long as you dont call the mustang anything but a pony car :D

[OneSlow5pt0]

and almost forgat one of the few FWD sportscars the daytona iroc r/t

[green91]

Follow up question. Do Civic people ever, and I do mean ever, consider a Supercharger instead of a Turbo? Superchargers work well with little motors and give considerable gain. A lot easier to install too...

IMO superchargers, especially on small motors are a waste, they have so much parasitic draw just to power the blower. also alot of blowers on civics are difficult to intercool. turbos on the other hand when sized properly can easily out power a blower in terms of air flow, air charge temp (lower), whp, and even power delivery.

[green91]

Sports Car?!?!? Most muscle cars are as subtle as a brick and sporty they are not. Miata is a Sports car, MGB, Fiat 124, Mazda RX7/RX8, these are sports cars. Anything made by the Big 3 since 1965 can't be considered a sports car.

rather than splitting hairs, why not look at the point trying to be made. the point being that most muscle cars were designed to have a high horsepower and tq output and to be fast. that was not the intention for the civic. and to say that no big 3 cars since 65 are sports car is just a silly notion.

[green91]

This should be a non-issue. A civic with a $2000 turbo kit on it is still slower than a mustang with $2000 in bolt-ons.

Soooo.... stock for stock civics are slower, and comparable mod work they are slower still.

The civic should be "rivals" with something like a mazda 3 or a camry not a mustang

IMO a wrx is hardly fast on its own. and more inline competition for the civic would be a corolla or sentra, which incidentally both have variants are are widely modified as well.

[Footefan52]

IMO a wrx is hardly fast on its own. and more inline competition for the civic would be a corolla or sentra, which incidentally both have variants are are widely modified as well.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA this statement in itself discredits you as a whole

[green91]

Uhm how so? The civic is hondas compact sedan, the camry is a direct competitor for the accord.

[Footefan52]

Uhm cause you said that the WRX is a competitor for the civic. Not the case what so ever.

[green91]

Please show me where i said it was a competitor, i cant find it.

[MR.EM1]

i chose a civic bc they are reliable, great on gas, look decent, drive great, fun to fix up, and great for commuting to college.

[RWD164]

Saleen S7, Ford GT, i think the Dodge Viper is considered a sports car..i think, but i'd say for the most part thats true, but in the Big Three defense there really wasnt a market for sport cars in the states for a very long time

Wasn't a market? Are you kidding? Alfa Romeo, Triumph, MG, Porsche, Fiat, Lancia, and Early BMW's were gobbled up becuase there was a huge demand. As far as the cars you listed none are sports cars, they are all too big. Sports cars are meant to be small engined, light little cars that handle well. The Viper is nearly the worst handling car ever built. The Saleen S7 is MASSIVE, and the Ford GT is a bonafide Supercar. As for the arguement for a Vette, once the Big V8s got crammed in, the sporty was gone. Early 6 cylinder Vettes and early Thunderbirds are nice, but they stopped in the early 60's.

[Footefan52]

Please show me where i said it was a competitor, i cant find it.


IMO a wrx is hardly fast on its own. and more inline competition for the civic

I may have read this wrong but your grammer is also something to modify

[RWD164]

IMO superchargers, especially on small motors are a waste, they have so much parasitic draw just to power the blower. also alot of blowers on civics are difficult to intercool. turbos on the other hand when sized properly can easily out power a blower in terms of air flow, air charge temp (lower), whp, and even power delivery.

Not True at all. Look up Judson Superchargers they make many superchargers for small bore motors. Or you could use a 2 Stage blower and they are quite efficient. Truth is, Superchargers are better for small engines. Period.

[JITB]

Uhm cause you said that the WRX is a competitor for the civic. Not the case what so ever.
wrx's are classed with all the other sport compacts, it has the awd over them.. but its still a sport compact. Gti-Civic Si-mazdaspeed3-wrx-TC-rsx-srt4. I man if you compare all those cars they are in the same class performance wise... to me it just sounds like your close minded on your competition, and people like you are the ones who make people want to spend money on econoboxes!

[Footefan52]

wrx's are classed with all the other sport compacts, it has the awd over them.. but its still a sport compact. Gti-Civic Si-mazdaspeed3-wrx-TC-rsx-srt4. I man if you compare all those cars they are in the same class performance wise... to me it just sounds like your close minded on your competition, and people like you are the ones who make people want to spend money on econoboxes!

Another one that makes me laugh. I look at competition as one thing being competitive with another. Example: The Avalanche and the Red Wings. Both good teams and always close games. <--- competitive. A civic racing a wrx is not competition. If your definition of competition is both cars finishing the race then yeah but not in the same timeframe.

Oh and the whole TC thing made me lol a little, and then I realized that this was a serious thread and then I died a little inside

[EJCallaway]

yeauh really aint nothing wrong with a civic. thats all these country rednecks say is o you got a rice burner. well in all reality 4 cyliders aint no hoes. i mean what is it now days all them country rednecks got for their jacked up trucks. www.theskyisthelimitforrednecksandbeer.com. sorry just getting carried away,

[Footefan52]

yeauh really aint nothing wrong with a civic. thats all these country rednecks say is o you got a rice burner. well in all reality 4 cyliders aint no hoes. i mean what is it now days all them country rednecks got for their jacked up trucks. www.theskyisthelimitforrednecksandbeer.com (http://www.theskyisthelimitforrednecksandbeer.com). sorry just getting carried away,

Was there an order these words were supposed to be put into?

[JITB]

Another one that makes me laugh. I look at competition as one thing being competitive with another. Example: The Avalanche and the Red Wings. Both good teams and always close games. <--- competitive. A civic racing a wrx is not competition. If your definition of competition is both cars finishing the race then yeah but not in the same timeframe.

Oh and the whole TC thing made me lol a little, and then I realized that this was a serious thread and then I died a little inside


i mean if your not gonna respond with anything serious, other than silly/witty idiotic comebacks, than ur not worth responding. i mean if u look up any article done by respected car testers, you will see that the wrx is tested with those cars. And as i found, it never came out on top, besides in the 0-60 which is obvious..but barely. And even the 08 was rated behind the ms3. the wrx. the wrx only sits high and mighty on the forums, it is a great car. But its really classed with those compacts....you should know this..u drive the car.

[Footefan52]

i mean if your not gonna respond with anything serious, other than silly/witty idiotic comebacks, than ur not worth responding. i mean if u look up any article done by respected car testers, you will see that the wrx is tested with those cars. And as i found, it never came out on top, besides in the 0-60 which is obvious..but barely. And even the 08 was rated behind the ms3. the wrx. the wrx only sits high and mighty on the forums, it is a great car. But its really classed with those compacts....you should know this..u drive the car.

I know the stock test results and as someone that reequents the forums you should know that there are not that may stock WRXs around. With a simple exhaust swap and a tune they can net over a 50 whp gain. I am not saying that my car is the best car there is but in all reality it is misclassed. Also most of the mags. also test the wrx in with the evo. Would you class an evo with the rest of these cars?

Edit: And also this thread was not really about stock civics and we all know that. There is nothing wrong with stock civics. Hell I would drive one cause they get 40 miles to the gallon and my car gets 18.

[blackshine007]

Dude, Can we get some foot notes as to how it got this far? I'm not backtracking....

[Footefan52]

Dude, Can we get some foot notes as to how it got this far? I'm not backtracking....

The just of it is that civics are still gay unless in stock form and everyone is still trying to defend theirs.

[blackshine007]

Aahhh. Ok. That's good enough. Reps, only because of my laziness.

[OneDurtyZ]

Wasn't a market? Are you kidding? Alfa Romeo, Triumph, MG, , Fiat, Lancia, .

And when were those sold last in the US? That is what my point was, and the quote i had. My fathers Triumph Tr-6 was a great sports car, but there havent been any sold, or most of those other companies, in the US for 30+ years because there was no market here for them. Muscle cars puched them out, then the fuel crisis and EPA regulations ect..

[Footefan52]

I am pretty sure Alfa stopped bringing cars into the US in the early 90's. Not 30+ years ago. But also has nothing to do with a civic.

Lets all focus our hatred of civics onto paper. I know, I know, it is hard to do but thats what this thread was called for. And oh how I hate them.

[secondgencamaro]

camaros, you name it and i guarantee a queer is messing it up for the rest of the guys.

/thread


Anybody seen the third gen Camaro parked to the couth of Buford Hwy with the bondo spoiler and taillights? ;)

[Footefan52]

Still has nothing to do with a civic

[Zeeb]

Doesn't seem like it. It would be better though due to being belt driven. Although I have seen a supercharged s2000. That would sound cooler too cause you could put a quiet exhaust on it and then only hear the whine of the charger

yea my old tech at honda had a super charged civic putting out like 300 very nicely made horsepower... im thinking about putting a supercharger on my S. very reliable and easily can get into the 320 whp range...

[JITB]

I know the stock test results and as someone that reequents the forums you should know that there are not that may stock WRXs around. With a simple exhaust swap and a tune they can net over a 50 whp gain. I am not saying that my car is the best car there is but in all reality it is misclassed. Also most of the mags. also test the wrx in with the evo. Would you class an evo with the rest of these cars?

Edit: And also this thread was not really about stock civics and we all know that. There is nothing wrong with stock civics. Hell I would drive one cause they get 40 miles to the gallon and my car gets 18.


they USED to test wrx's with evos, but after the years it was pointless....lol The sti is the evo's competition, and thats waht gets tested with the evos. The wrx gets tested with the fwd compacts. And a evo doesnt get classed with those cars, b/c its performs soo much better.

[green91]

i mean if your not gonna respond with anything serious, other than silly/witty idiotic comebacks, than ur not worth responding.

bingo!

foote: you do realize that civic si & wrx are only about 20hp difference right.. stock for stock. the civic does it with a little higher compression and variable valve timing. wrx does it with nearly 14lbs of boost!

[green91]

I may have read this wrong but your grammer is also something to modify

and yes you did read something wrong, you only read the first half my sentence. this is what i said:

IMO a wrx is hardly fast on its own. and more inline competition for the civic would be a corolla or sentra, which incidentally both have variants are are widely modified as well.

[green91]

Not True at all. Look up Judson Superchargers they make many superchargers for small bore motors. Or you could use a 2 Stage blower and they are quite efficient. Truth is, Superchargers are better for small engines. Period.

im still going to disagree with you for the sheer fact that you are having a draw on the engine to produce power. a portion of the increased power from the blower is being forced to power itself. turbos utilize existing exhaust flow and thermal expansion but require no additional load to power itself. sure you can compare x to a ## whatever.

[Zeeb]

bingo!

foote: you do realize that civic si & wrx are only about 20hp difference right.. stock for stock. the civic does it with a little higher compression and variable valve timing. wrx does it with nearly 14lbs of boost!

you must not be talking about an sti, and i thought normal wrx's didnt even have turboes.... and especially not that high of psi. sti's push out 300 hp nearly if not a little more( depends on the year i guess). and stock civic si's do 160-190 depending on the year, wat r u smoking?

[JITB]

you must not be talking about an sti, and i thought normal wrx's didnt even have turboes.... and especially not that high of psi. sti's push out 300 hp nearly if not a little more( depends on the year i guess). and stock civic si's do 160-190 depending on the year, wat r u smoking?


dammit it says WRX!!! AND WRXES DO HAVE TURBOES!!

[MskunkM]

if civic drivers (not saying all are) weren't so god damn cocky about there cars no one would really bug them... but i drive a miata, and HATE street racing with a passion but ive put 2 of 3 civics in my rear view mirror because the driver wanted to be a show off and SUCKED @ driving his boosted, body kitted, neon under glow, riced out civic VS a practically bone stock slightly tuned 93 miata and a driver who knows what there doing = FAIL.
i say all good guy civic owners and everyone els rally together to eradicate this insidious plague we call "rice"

[Zeeb]

ok so he's not talking about the sti, so the normal ones have 224. which is still way more then a 20 horsepower difference

[Zeeb]

the normal impreza boxter engine that isnt turboes puts out, 170, which is right there with the SI's, so i dont know wtf he is talking about.

[JITB]

the normal impreza boxter engine that isnt turboes puts out, 170, which is right there with the SI's, so i dont know wtf he is talking about.


si is rated at 198hp at the flywheel
ms3 - 263hp
gti - 200hp
srt4 - 230hp
wrx - 224hp
rsx - 200hp

all around the same..

[Zeeb]

si is rated at 198hp at the flywheel
ms3 - 263hp
gti - 200hp
srt4 - 230hp
wrx - 224hp
rsx - 200hp

all around the same..

at the flywheel = crap at the wheels...

[quickdodge®]

muscle car is something like a charger SRT8 or Impala SS

I disagree. They quit making true muscle cars around the early to mid 70s. Nothing in the 80s or above is a muscle car. Later, QD.

[Zeeb]

I disagree. They quit making true muscle cars around the early to mid 70s. Nothing in the 80s or above is a muscle car. Later, QD.

I normally dont like you... lol but I FULLY agree on that ****... muscles cars nowadays that are being made arent ****. They dont deserve that title.

[quickdodge®]

I normally dont like you..

What the fucc does this have to do with anything? I don't give a fucc who you like or dislike and if I'm one for you to dislike (for no apparent reason), so what? My comment(s) had nothing to do with you so stick to the topic. Later, QD.

[green91]

at the flywheel = crap at the wheels...

Okay but civic si, 198hp crank, wrx = 224.. 26 hp difference. but then youe gotta consider AWD driveline loss!

[Brett]

I normally dont like you... lol but I FULLY agree on that ****... muscles cars nowadays that are being made arent ****. They dont deserve that title.

How is it in all these years on here you have only 500 posts but on the S2k forum in your first week you had well over 1,000? Thats what I wanna know...LOL.

[Zeeb]

lol i dont know, im on there more... its smaller and i can keep up with all the forums easier, i have been on here for a long time. but only recently started posting again...

[Zeeb]

How is it in all these years on here you have only 500 posts but on the S2k forum in your first week you had well over 1,000? Thats what I wanna know...LOL.

since u have massive crazy rep send me like 1000 points

[Footefan52]

Okay but civic si, 198hp crank, wrx = 224.. 26 hp difference. but then youe gotta consider AWD driveline loss!

And you apparently missed the part in my reply to JITB that said we are not talking stock cars here. Mainly because there is no reason to bash a stock civic. If someone put a turboback exhaust on the WRX and had it tuned it can see a 50 whp gain easily. But I am not here to defend the WRX. I am saying that riced out civics suck and there is nothing anyone can say to me to think otherwise, especially in a way where I have to decipher where periods have to be placed.

[green91]

I may have read this wrong but your grammer is also something to modify

You really should not criticize my grammar if you are going to start a sentence with "and" and not using complete sentences. Oh yeah, grammar has 2 a's in it.

[JITB]

And you apparently missed the part in my reply to JITB that said we are not talking stock cars here. Mainly because there is no reason to bash a stock civic. If someone put a turboback exhaust on the WRX and had it tuned it can see a 50 whp gain easily. But I am not here to defend the WRX. I am saying that riced out civics suck and there is nothing anyone can say to me to think otherwise, especially in a way where I have to decipher where periods have to be placed.

riced out anything sucks... ..But as easy as u can get 50hp out of the wrx, u can get power out of the others it would give similar results..

[RWD164]

if civic drivers (not saying all are) weren't so god damn cocky about there cars no one would really bug them... but i drive a miata, and HATE street racing with a passion but ive put 2 of 3 civics in my rear view mirror because the driver wanted to be a show off and SUCKED @ driving his boosted, body kitted, neon under glow, riced out civic VS a practically bone stock slightly tuned 93 miata and a driver who knows what there doing = FAIL.
i say all good guy civic owners and everyone els rally together to eradicate this insidious plague we call "rice"

I agree with this. I believe that The Fast and the Furious Ruined an entire generation of otherwise decent car guys. That movie came out and the body kits and exhuast market exploded. Also, these same people took Speed Channel and turned that programming into an ignorant pile of Sh-it. Pinks, Nopi Tunervision, and Unique Whips are NOT what cars are supposed to be about. Big deal, you can park the nose of a car against a wall and ruin as set of front tires doing a burnout. The people who get their jollies from this are the same people who, on Pinks complain their Transmission or Clutch is bad, but still do a big smoky burnout before a pass. God I hate Sped, I mean Speed Channel...

[Footefan52]

riced out anything sucks... ..But as easy as u can get 50hp out of the wrx, u can get power out of the others it would give similar results..

Like I said man, I am not here is defend the WRX or my car (barely a WRX anymore). I am here to give anyone hell that drives a riced out civic (or a riced out car in general). I am an equal opportunity hater :D

[green91]

riced out anything sucks... ..But as easy as u can get 50hp out of the wrx, u can get power out of the others it would give similar results..


I know you aren't exactly a pro-honda guy, so im kinda surprised by your involvement in this thread, but i appreciate you being level headed unlike some of these guys. My point in this thread wasn't actually to bash hondas so much but to point out that a majority of people that make lame arguments against them often have the same short comings in their own vehicles that they boast

[EssAreTwenTee]

si is rated at 198hp at the flywheel
ms3 - 263hp
gti - 200hp
srt4 - 230hp
wrx - 224hp
rsx - 200hp

all around the same..

all the same at the flywheel maybe but definately not at the wheels. Stock srt4s dyno higher than 230.

[RWD164]

im still going to disagree with you for the sheer fact that you are having a draw on the engine to produce power. a portion of the increased power from the blower is being forced to power itself. turbos utilize existing exhaust flow and thermal expansion but require no additional load to power itself. sure you can compare x to a ## whatever.

Fair Point, but small bore motors (Under 2.5L) tend to be a bit laggy with any real boost/big turbo. Sure a small turbo on a small motor is Ok, but a small supercharger will give power from nearly idle to the redline, where turbos need to spool and the less exhaust (small bore) the longer the spool time, the more lag. I am simply wondering why people do not supercharge more, I am not here to nit pick the finite details of forced induction. You want that arguement, create an new thread...

[OneSlow5pt0]

I disagree. They quit making true muscle cars around the early to mid 70s. Nothing in the 80s or above is a muscle car. Later, QD.

true,but those cars are way more of a muscle car then a vette or viper and so forth.

so their not the muscle cars of yester year,but its the closet thing we got now

[Footefan52]

Fair Point, but small bore motors (Under 2.5L) tend to be a bit laggy with any real boost/big turbo. Sure a small turbo on a small motor is Ok, but a small supercharger will give power from nearly idle to the redline, where turbos need to spool and the less exhaust (small bore) the longer the spool time, the more lag. I am simply wondering why people do not supercharge more, I am not here to nit pick the finite details of forced induction. You want that arguement, create an new thread...

The power that is "drained" from a supercharger is negligible. It is the same as running the air conditioning. When tuning a car it is important to run the car at maximum load to accomplish the optimal fuel maps. Therefor if your running a supercharger then it is getting the most smooth fuel map, which makes for bigger gains.

[JITB]

all the same at the flywheel maybe but definately not at the wheels. Stock srt4s dyno higher than 230.


yea yea, we know that... we dont want to get into that... But you know out of all, the wrx prob has the most drivetrain loss of all..


But im not defending hondas, iver never owned one. But, im the type that has a problem with the way the tuner thing has changed. I liked it better when it was people taking ****ty cars and making them into great cars. Now its more of buying a great car, and making it great? Not to say that we all dont want nice cars. But alot of cars dont impress me too much, not because of what it is. But just because it doesnt suprise me when a evo makes 700 hp on 40lbs of boost... i mean dam what motor wont make 700hp on 40lbs...lol. Just some cars im numb to their capabilities, and it doesnt interest me at all. And alot of people rather tell someone to not waste money on the car they want, rather than give props. I challenge anyone to go and research about a car that they hate or cant stand to see people put money into, and see if u dont find something interesting about it.

[green91]

The power that is "drained" from a supercharger is negligible. It is the same as running the air conditioning. When tuning a car it is important to run the car at maximum load to accomplish the optimal fuel maps. Therefor if your running a supercharger then it is getting the most smooth fuel map, which makes for bigger gains.

Wow i don't even know where to start with this statement. First off, a supercharger is WAY more parasitic than an a/c compressor. The amount of power needed to compress enough air to feed an engine is quite a bit more than the small amount of freon that is compressed. When tuning a car you want to tune a variety of conditions, part throttle and WOT both. Supercharging makes very little difference tuning wide and you certainly don't gain any power over turbo through the tuning methods for a s/c.

[Footefan52]

Wow i don't even know where to start with this statement. First off, a supercharger is WAY more parasitic than an a/c compressor. The amount of power needed to compress enough air to feed an engine is quite a bit more than the small amount of freon that is compressed. When tuning a car you want to tune a variety of conditions, part throttle and WOT both. Supercharging makes very little difference tuning wide and you certainly don't gain any power over turbo through the tuning methods for a s/c.

But either way when tuning a car, SC or turbo, you place the car under max. load to ensure proper fuel mapping. I also know about WOT and partial throttle parameters which don't play as big of a role as: going up hill, AC on, etc...

[green91]

So basically your argument is that s/c are better because its more difficult to fully load a turbo on the dyno? I do agree that dyno rollers don't completely simulate real load conditions (and this is only if its a large turbo) but it is very close, close enough to where 99% of tuners can add a certain percentage of fuel and be extremely accurate, not to mention road testing afterward. So i think thats pretty much a null argument

[green91]

But either way when tuning a car, SC or turbo, you place the car under max. load to ensure proper fuel mapping. I also know about WOT and partial throttle parameters which don't play as big of a role as: going up hill, AC on, etc...

EH having a/c on and going up hill doesn't really make any difference tuning wise.

[VickNotic]

all the same at the flywheel maybe but definately not at the wheels. Stock srt4s dyno higher than 230.

well looks like everyone else in here is not to defend there civics.. but you are here to defend the hp of your neon aintcha..:D

well i've owned 3 civics, loved it, modified it, SOld Some, Bought Some more, a very on going side job, for gett'n that xtra $$$ and all the motors were making under 120, and took me places 4rom point A to B.. thats that.. and i do believe i'd riced the fucc out of one of them.. and @ that year.. i've sold it for about 9k and only spend like 4k in it .. .. :)

[Footefan52]

well looks like everyone else in here is not to defend there civics.. but you are here to defend the hp of your neon aintcha..:D

Whoa whoa whoa. Now that is a whole different thread. No need for that in here.

[VickNotic]

Whoa whoa whoa. Now that is a whole different thread. No need for that in here.

Muahahaa i'm twisting things around .. so civics dont get too much of the attention hahaaa

[EssAreTwenTee]

well looks like everyone else in here is not to defend there civics.. but you are here to defend the hp of your neon aintcha..:D

well i've owned 3 civics, loved it, modified it, SOld Some, Bought Some more, a very on going side job, for gett'n that xtra $$$ and all the motors were making under 120, and took me places 4rom point A to B.. thats that.. and i do believe i'd riced the fucc out of one of them.. and @ that year.. i've sold it for about 9k and only spend like 4k in it .. .. :)

:D nah just pointing out that manufacturers claim very different hp #s and since the srt4 is the only one I'm familiar with It was my example

[OneSlow5pt0]

they use to underrate the hell out of engines,now they over rate them

example, GM's LT4 was stated to make 330hp but really it made 430hp,but they didnt want to seem like they were downsizing when they went to the LS1