More expansive CCW gunbill passes in GA v. gov has to sign it now

[Ruiner]

I have been waiting for this bill for a LONG time. It isn't so much about bring a gun into the restaurant as it is about carrying a gun to the restaurant and/or being able to protect yourself on your way there (if you go on foot, via MARTA, etc).


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More Expansive Gun Bill Passes
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The 2008 legislative session went down to the wire.


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ATLANTA -- A controversial gun bill Republican sponsors called the most expansive and sweeping gun bill in the state's history passed the legislature, opening the door for Georgians to carry concealed weapons in more public places.

While they couldn't drink, licensed gun owners would be allowed to carry their guns inside many restaurants that serve alcohol if more than half of the profits come from food.

The gun bill also allows carriers with conceal carry permits to bring their guns to state parks, historic sites, recreational and wildlife management areas, and on public transportation systems like Marta. It essentially makes those public places "gun zones."

"Obviously, there's a right to have it, but you know, just because somebody's authorized to carry one doesn't mean they should have one," said Dan Nguyn, who rides MARTA daily.

"The gun should be kept inside private homes. That's it," said MARTA commuter Kenneth Gaiter. "What are they hunting for? What are they trying to prove?"

Backed by the National Rifle Association, the bill overwhelming passed through both the House and Senate late Friday night.
The measure also allows employees to leave their guns in their cars at work if their bosses agree.

Republican bill sponsors say the bill is the most expansive, the most sweeping addition to gun owners' rights in Georgia's history.

"It gives them [law-abiding citizens] the right to defend themselves and their families when they are out in public, and we believe that is huge, huge issue," said Republican House Rep. Tim Bearden, bill sponsor of House Bill 89.

But some Democrats are calling it "deadly legislation" that lacks enforcement and accountability.

"And the problem is in Georgia that we don't require anything of people with concealed weapon permits. We don't require training. We don't require knowledge of firearms law. We don't require psychological evaluations," said Alice Johnson with Georgians for Gun Safety.

The bill also makes straw purchases of firearms a felony, and speeds up the process to renew gun permits.

The bill now heads to Governor Perdue for his signature.

[Hulud]

it doesnt surprise me one bit that you still will not be able to carry in a church

[quickdodge®]

Great news.

Only thing is, how is someone supposed to know a certain restaurant's food/alcohol profit numbers?

Bill: Hey dear, let's take the family out to Ken's Bar & Grille tonight.
Alice: Honey that's a great idea.
Bill: Hold on while I Google the place and check to see what their profits are from food and drink so I can see if I can carry my pistol there.

The above was really a joke as most people will know that places like Applebee's probably get more profit from the food rather than drink, but you see what I mean? Later, QD.

[iloveboost]

Read about this earlier. It's about time.

I never took MARTA due to this fact.

[On_Her_Face]

i actually went and watched the GA senate debate on HB 89

at the time they were discussing certain things such as "what if a persons work will not allow them to have a gun on the property" and "what if a person has a lease on a vehicle"

kind of interesting but i did not keep paying attention to this law since i am not 21 yet

[iloveboost]

Great news.

Only thing is, how is someone supposed to know a certain restaurant's food/alcohol profit numbers?

Bill: Hey dear, let's take the family out to Ken's Bar & Grille tonight.
Alice: Honey that's a great idea.
Bill: Hold on while I Google the place and check to see what their profits are from food and drink so I can see if I can carry my pistol there.

The above was really a joke as most people will know that places like Applebee's probably get more profit from the food rather than drink, but you see what I mean? Later, QD.
On the same token, a police officer won't know either. I guess I will have to use my best judgement.

[quickdodge®]

kind of interesting but i did not keep paying attention to this law since i am not 21 yet

You should pay more attention it. That way, when you are 21, you'll already know the laws on this. You won't have to scramble around learning everything. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

On the same token, a police officer won't know either. I guess I will have to use my best judgement.

Not bashing:

What does a police officer have to do with this? Later, QD.

[On_Her_Face]

You should pay more attention it. That way, when you are 21, you'll already know the laws on this. You won't have to scramble around learning everything. Later, QD.

true, don't want to mess up whenever i turn 21 and get a gun lol

[iloveboost]

Not bashing:

What does a police officer have to do with this? Later, QD.
How would you get in trouble if a police officer is not called to the restaurant/establishment in question?

You can carry in all the restaurants/bars/clubs you want. It's never an issue until a police officer is involved, right?

A police officer will know as much as you do when it comes to where the restaurant's income is generated.

I didn't think you were bashing.

[quickdodge®]

1. How would you get in trouble if a police officer is not called to the restaurant/establishment in question?

2. You can carry in all the restaurants/bars/clubs you want. It's never an issue until a police officer is involved, right?

3. A police officer will know as much as you do when it comes to where the restaurant's income is generated.

1. Well obviously you wouldn't.
2. Technically you still can't. When/if this bill gets signed into law, you'll be able to under the above guidelines.
3. That may go either way. Law enforcement may have access to those numbers. There may be a database to keep up with that. Seems far fetched but you never know.


I didn't think you were bashing.

Cool. I know we're cool, but I never know if my questions will be taken the wrong way considering my "status" around here, lolol. Later, QD.

[NEONRACER]

He was referring to whether the officer will know the revenue value from food at a restaurant. Just about every "restaurant" will be ok to enter. Where the gray area comes in is pool halls, small local bars etc. It does open the door for personal protection in WMA's and parks which is a good thing. The crime rate in these areas is much higher then people think. We did not get CCW is churches which isn't a big deal really. The public transportation is great. It takes away the chance of you walking down the street and passing a bus stop and being in violation. Under the old law you would be violatiing the law and could be charged. That is now out the window. The public gathering clause was not taken away or at least defined better. That is something that will have to be waorked on in a future bill. Now law enforcement will have to be trained on the new laws. I can see some people being locked up under the old laws after July 1st.

[quickdodge®]

personal protection in WMA's and parks which is a good thing. The crime rate in these areas is much higher then people think.

I do too. I bet a lot of that had to do with the recent murders in state/local parks around here the last few months. Later, QD.

[iloveboost]

1. Well obviously you wouldn't.
2. Technically you still can't. When/if this bill gets signed into law, you'll be able to under the above guidelines.
3. That may go either way. Law enforcement may have access to those numbers. There may be a database to keep up with that. Seems far fetched but you never know.



Cool. I know we're cool, but I never know if my questions will be taken the wrong way considering my "status" around here, lolol. Later, QD.
Response to #2: "Technically" :D

Response to #3: You have to love the certain vagueness applied to CCW restrictions. I could see the officer asking the manager of the restaurant the ratio for food income but definitely not a database.

As previously stated, you'd definitely have to question pool halls, recreational businesses (bowling allies, Dave and Busters, etc) and small bars/resturants like Cafe Intermezzo.

[quickdodge®]

Response to #2: "Technically" :D

Response to #3: You have to love the certain vagueness applied to CCW restrictions. I could see the officer asking the manager of the restaurant the ratio for food income but definitely not a database.

As previously stated, you'd definitely have to question pool halls, recreational businesses (bowling allies, Dave and Busters, etc) and small bars/resturants like Cafe Intermezzo.

Dammit on the spelling. Lolol. As for the database, I know, lolol. And yeah, little "bar&grill" type places would definitely be one to question, too.

The bad thing about gun laws is their vagueness. Someone needs to write cut and dry laws for this crap. You get all these laws passed and still the majority of carriers don't know if what they're doing is legal or not. Later, QD.

[nreggie454]

If I am not mistaken, if a restaurant makes more than 50% of their money off of food, they can serve beer on Sunday. Because of that, I don't think it will be hard at all for law enforcement and the public to figure it out since it has already been determined who does and who doesn't.

[On_Her_Face]

If I am not mistaken, if a restaurant makes more than 50% of their money off of food, they can serve beer on Sunday. Because of that, I don't think it will be hard at all for law enforcement and the public to figure it out since it has already been determined who does and who doesn't.


i'm not sure of this i just thought that they were allowed to sell after 12:30?

[quickdodge®]

If I am not mistaken, if a restaurant makes more than 50% of their money off of food, they can serve beer on Sunday. Because of that, I don't think it will be hard at all for law enforcement and the public to figure it out since it has already been determined who does and who doesn't.

You could look at it like that as well. Good call. Later, QD.

[iloveboost]

If I am not mistaken, if a restaurant makes more than 50% of their money off of food, they can serve beer on Sunday. Because of that, I don't think it will be hard at all for law enforcement and the public to figure it out since it has already been determined who does and who doesn't.
I didn't know that. Guess I'll have to look into it.


Dammit on the spelling. Lolol. As for the database, I know, lolol. And yeah, little "bar&grill" type places would definitely be one to question, too.

The bad thing about gun laws is their vagueness. Someone needs to write cut and dry laws for this crap. You get all these laws passed and still the majority of carriers don't know if what they're doing is legal or not. Later, QD.
You didn't misspell it. I meant "technically" you're not supposed to, but I go to small restaurants and other hole-in-the-wall places where I'm definitely not comfortable with my surroundings and will carry in a restaurant. I do not drink at all but I will carry.

[Slow Motion]

Very informative and good feedback on all points.

reps to all...

[Vteckidd]

ANy food place that serves alcohol on sundays i believe has to serve more food than half its alcohol sales.

So that would mean if a restaurant serves beer on sundays ,it meets the half profits come from food criteria

I THINK