Gwinnett/Winder/Athens and surrounding areas, DYNO DAY

[redrumracer]

Where:
Performance Chassis Dyno
1960 Railroad St.
Statham, GA 30666
www.performancechassisdyno.com

Phone:
678-300-4477

Price:
$40 for 3 pulls

When:
April 5, 2008 starting at 9 in the morning and going until. If it starts getting late and all the cars are not done we will continue on Sunday after lunch so everyone can get there 3 dyno pulls.

Restrictions:
Limited to right around 20 people maybe a couple more if interested, and only 2wd.

Equipment:
The Dyno is a Superflow 810

LIST:
Redrumracer
santacruz77
rsxtype-svi
Echonova
chava_rx7
wunquikser
streetstuff
streetstuff v2
jesse4846
00_Rusty™
WhiteAccord
sc sleeper
YouKnowIt
YouKnowIt v2

Maybes:
B18lshatch
simontibbet

[kaotickaozpunk]

dyno and tuned...= )

[rsxtype-svi]

i'll roll

[redrumracer]

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[B18lshatch]

maybe you can count me in, might be helpn someone with yard work

[redrumracer]

maybe you can count me in, might be helpn someone with yard work
well come on out, always good to know what your dealing with and get some proven numbers for your car.

[Echonova]

I'm in. I'll have to bring my two younglings though, so I won't stay all day. Need to know how many tire shredding Hp's the stock SR is putting out. LOL

[VickNotic]

anything being cooked.. ? music..? BBQ ??

[redrumracer]

I'm in. I'll have to bring my two younglings though, so I won't stay all day. Need to know how many tire shredding Hp's the stock SR is putting out. LOL
hey thats fine. bring the younglings on out, and stay as long as you can.

[redrumracer]

anything being cooked.. ? music..? BBQ ??
i believe we are going to have some food and drinks out there

[big mac]

ill probaly go. how diffrent are the number on this than the dyno jet?

[SEAN]

watch yourself down there...I got stopped down there and the only thing he could cite me for was window tint...the cops are ARSES down there...they sit up on 316 just waiting for you and any excuse to make money for the town...

[dynoman14]

Sleeper,
Hard to say as I have not had many folks with comparitive data. Sheets were either old or not the same exact build although bring yours if you have them.

I would say that on my ARCA cars the Jet that I ran on in Charlotte was a lot easier to spin up and therefore made the torque curve fatter on the bottom and a little easier to get top end power.

The wheel on the SuperFlow is 3500# and not real easy to spin up so the torque curve generated is almost identical to the acceleration what you would see on the street. Time to speed should be withing about 1% of tested results if gearing and tire diameter are recorded properly. It was designed to reproduce these parameters pretty close to real time / real life.

This dyno is really and instantaneous accelerometer 2500HP / 250mph. The sampling rate is on the order of 10,000 - 1,000,000 times more data per run than almost all other publicly purcchased chassis dynos. I use it for very basic HP and Torque curve generation although there are many more uses for it's data gathering capabilities.

I guess you could say it would be like comparing a magnifying glass to an electron microscope in terms of precision, accuracy and data analysis when you compare sampling rates.

For 99.9999% of the world any dyno will give you the results you are looking for. In my case ( I am always the .00001 ) I needed to know how many MPG's I could save by changing air bleeds in a Carburetor by .001", and also how .1# of fuel pressure would affect the power level and fuel consumption at 200mph or how much power is gained / lost by changing gear pitch by 1 degree in a ring and pinion set or transmission gearset, How much power is gained or lost with 1#,2#,3# of change in tire pressure. This type of work requires a scientific approach & A-B-A testing with absolute repeatability and that is what I have.

Long story short...the SF #'s should be a conservative but accurate measure of what your car will do on the road and if you run 50-150mph in 5 seconds, then your car will do exactly that on the street. If those numbers are correct than you can infer that the torque measurments are accurate and then the HP calculations should also be right on.

As far as goodies we are still working on the particulars but will post as soon as it is all ciphered out. Next day or so...

Look forward to having y'all out.
DM14

[SixSquared]

I caaaan't..... April 5 is 4NGIEFEST at Stone Mountain.... (big BMW meet that I said I'd be at months ago). You guys have fun!

[chava_rx7]

HMMMM.. ill go, wana c wat my car can put out..

look for a stock red 89 rx7 N/A

[Thighs]

i wanna come. what time do you think you guys are closing up?

[wunquikser]

put me on the list..this place is closer to me than any other places..

[dynoman14]

We will prolly stay running til as late as we can, last night we made our last pull at about midnight and the Cops did not roll up so maybe we can run til 9-10-11 if we still have folks to run...

My plan was to see how many cars wanted to run and if there were too many we might select out who could come back on Sunday after lunch??? Just an idea.

Just wanted to repeat, can't run 4wd / awd Sorry...

Just a quick update, hotties run for 1/2 price and topless hotties run free!!!

Did I just say that, Oh hell yea I did !!! Sorry I am just that way...

BTW, I have race gas and alcohol if anyone need it, It is VP got some nice gas pretty econo at $6 gal. will support 12:1. We hove some other flavors also for boost and high speed stuff. Bring your own jug if you want to take it with.

Later,
dynoman14

[redrumracer]

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[redrumracer]

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[Elbow]

Is this just pulls? Or tuning ;) What octane race gas?

[redrumracer]

Is this just pulls? Or tuning ;) What octane race gas?
just 3 pulls

[streetstuff]

i will be there with 2 cars

[WhiteAccord]

Just wondering do you guys know how to dyno an auto?

[redrumracer]

updated

[Double_0_Rusty]

YO YO Put me on the list. I wanna see how much the Talon is putting down....

[redrumracer]

YO YO Put me on the list. I wanna see how much the Talon is putting down....
done :goodjob:

[Double_0_Rusty]

I think all of the Athens folk go first, as we were the ones who were there with open arms....LOL

I need my car tuned as well, i think.

[redrumracer]

I think all of the Athens folk go first, as we were the ones who were there with open arms....LOL

I need my car tuned as well, i think.

lol yes your car would need a tune, i would think.

[Double_0_Rusty]

It was probably never tuned after the cam was put in? Idk. Oh well, maybe Mark or Ryan can do it to it..lol

[redrumracer]

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[dynoman14]

No problem with Automatics, we do not descriminate...we even run Mustangs and Corvettes when the owners take them out from under the car covers...

Did I say that out loud??? I guess running the dyno til 2a.m. yesterday has wobbled my sense of political correctness & hearing.

We picked up a Crate Engine chevy late-model almost 300ft.lbs from 2500-5000rpm and 51 hp from 5000-6200. About 1 1/2 days on the dyno.

Let's see customer bought a new Braswell Carb for $2600 was +5hp, spent 11 hours on the dyno @$200hr = 2200 and got +50hp...

Which was cheaper ???

[redrumracer]

thanks for the info Mark and updated the list as well :goodjob:

[Elbow]

I might stop by, anything against me tuning my ecu between pulls?

[dynoman14]

Simon,
Without sounding like an a$$hole I am going to preach a little about octane mis-information. Not at you but for all who care to take the healing...Engine fuel selection is really a function of piston speed and engine power level expected.

I like to sell it, but in most cases it hurts power output if you are doing real world acceleration testing. If I sell something to my circle track customers that slows their car down, I am not very popular guy; even if it supposed to make more power.

I test everything!!!

What does this mean??? Well there are 50 different race fuels that are 110 octane, why do some make more power and some make way more power???

You have to have the expertise to match the burn rate of the fuel to the engine you are testing. You have to test them on the engine / chassis dyno to determine what is best for your car. Diesel has an motor octane rating of 120+ but you would not run it in your gas engine. In an 18:1 Cat it will make 2000ft/#.

What you will find is that lower octane fuel will have the greatest capacity for BTU production ( Energy = Power ) when burned.

Long story short, to make the most power you have to match the fuel with the lowest octane you engine can stand, while still maintaing the proper burn rate to accomodate your piston speed and you will have the best fuel for your engine.

More on this topic will be in some upcoming Tech articles I will be writing for Nissan Sport Mag, along with a Nissan engine build for a drift / drag / road race application.

I have a good guess what will run in most engines and we can test from there.

THX,
DM14

[Elbow]

My old Civic would run on leaded 120+ octane lol

I don't want any for the Miata I was just seeing what you all had.

[santacruz77]

i dunno when i can come. it will prolly be later in the day if any im completly empty on gas and only have 5 bucks. which i have to put it in the tank..... ahh another weekend with no job and being broke.

but if i dont come im still gonna go up there some time to check it out. or maybe we can have another meet there.

[dynoman14]

I have; M1-HPD ( methanol ), C-11 ( 108 ), C-12HPD/o2 ( 112+ ), C-16 ( 117 ), C-16HPD/o2( 120+), Q-16/o2 ( 120+).

I will also be marketing HPD Import and Import+ as soon as I get the last of my chemicals in.

We can build you any fuel profile that you want and max the power for any application.

DM14

[dynoman14]

Santacruz,
I was going to make you an offer of running for 1/2 if you showed up in a Bikini top and let me post the pic to the PCD web-site...

Hell, I don't know if $5 worth will roll that 240 to the shop, tell you what; show up at 9am and I'll give you a job for the day, since you know everybody you can help pimp the deal, serve up some food, help direct some people, put up the chrome dance pole...etc.

Check your PM for the offer...

[TheChosenOne]

How far is it from lawrenceville gwinnett? I want to go, but my axel has been acting up.

[Elbow]

So can I change ECU settings between pulls if I go? Just takes like 10 seconds.

[Elbow]

Actually that might be a dumb question, are the pulls back to back to back?

lol

[santacruz77]

daaa daaa hey simon you working tom?

[big mac]

put me on the list I'm going

[Elbow]

daaa daaa hey simon you working tom?

Naw, but I gotta go up there and get my check.

[redrumracer]

list updated

[VickNotic]

hmm okay .. definately 2 cars are dynoing and some other folks..

[redrumracer]

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[redrumracer]

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[dynoman14]

Simon,
Yea, dyno pulls will be consecutive, it takes longer to tie the car down properly, than it does to make the pulls. You should be able to adjust your Sqiurts system in between pulls as long as you don't get any on the Dynoman.

Accord Driver -
L,ville is about 15-20 miles from Statham you can either roll up 316N and take a left at the light past mile marker 16... or roll-up Atlanta Hwy about 7 mile NE of Winder.

Later,
DM14

[dynoman14]

Just to let y'all know, we'll be there rain or shine and just finalize some Pizza for lunch. Any additional questions, I'll be on later tonight.
Later,
DM14

[redrumracer]

and a bump for just getting off work

[Elbow]

Well sorry people wont be able to make it, hopefully another time.

Dynoman if you want to get into some road race sponsorship lmk

[redrumracer]

late night bump

[dynoman14]

Well,
The shop is as clean as it is going to get after thrashing on a customer car to get it ready to race this weekend, hope he has rain tires and traction control.
Chevy #604 crate 350" engine; gains were +301ft# @2500rpm and 51hp @ 6200rpm. I took 2 days but the last 20hp is always the hardest.

We should be able to get another 30-40hp on the top end with some electrical signal clean-up, plug wires, adjustable oil pressure bypass and one of my "Magic Carbs".

Domino's Pizza and MCD's tea hooked up for lunch.

We will prolly roll til around 5, 6, 7, 8 maybe later if folks are still hanging out.

Out,
DM14

[dynoman14]

Headed to the shop after a great night sleep an ready to crank out some numbers.

Simon,
We are actively seeking qualified teams and individuals that would benefit from our co-marketing help. Look forward to meeting with you to discuss what you have in mind, and how we can make your racing program better.

THX,
DM14

[Echonova]

I'll be leaving in about 30 min to head that way.

[redrumracer]

well one last bump and im on my way

[mengus200sx]

**** i goin...be there in a bit..

[big mac]

Im combing to day but I have one more question, do we get a print out of the air to fuel or just hp and torque

[Echonova]

Had a great time, you guys are super-duper nice to put up with me and my younglings. Definitely worth every penny... and then some.;) The pics I took before my camera died will be up in a couple min. To those of you who wussed out... LOL @ you.:lmfao:

[Elbow]

So who put down what?

[big mac]

really wish I could of stayed but I had to go to work.I wanted to see that vspec on the dyno

[KREEP]

Yeah who went and what were the outcomes? Kevin how bout you?

[redrumracer]

had a good time, made more power than i thought i would. but then rusty stole my thunder by having less than 1 hp more than me. and if others want to tell there power thats fine but im not goin to say. oh and i dyno'd @ 125hp and 106tq in forth gear and 132hp and 99tq in 3rd.

[Echonova]

Yeah who went and what were the outcomes? Kevin how bout you?225 hp, 195ish TQ in 3rd and 4th gear... 160 mph top end.

[Double_0_Rusty]

LOL @ Stefan, I made 126whp/110ish trq in 4th. 138whp and I dont remember the trq in 3rd. It was fun, and I am getting a new coil pack, and some suspension work before I go back up there.....HAd fun.

[EM1toEVO]

I'd love to get on a dynojet and see what I'm putting down.

[EM1toEVO]

271.5 at the wheels on a dynodynamics dyno(aka "the heartbreaker")

[Member31410]

Nice meeting you Mark and it's always a pleasure to see Big J. I can't wait to see the stuff that'll be coming out from that shop. :goodjob:

[dynoman14]

The highlight of the day was "Princess" & "Little Man", Keep up the good work Kevin...

The rest of the day was actually pretty decent. I have learned a couple things about imports that will make our future DynoDays better.

I am working on an in-house coil and wiring system, should be ready in 30 days and adaptable to any car alive...if it dont make more power than your existing system you don't have to buy it. Other than free that seems to be a good deal.

Special Thanks to:

Winder McDonalds - Lori
Winder Domino's Pizza - Jeff

Redrumracer - HMFIC and pimpin the deal all day long...lost the call-out but has potential to win the next one...

Echonova - 2 wunderful fun kids, car ran decent too !!!

streetstuff - Super Dave thanks for all the help, maybe next time you can bring out that lame junyard built 300hpNA Civic...opps did I give away your secret ???

sc sleeper - You left one of your Dyno sheets, e-mail me the link on the HP tuners, from the Cobalt website...This Cobalt will prolly be a house car pretty soon as we have some special tunes we want to play on his ride...AKA Don Nase racing !!!

00_Rusty - Nose dragging, noisy coils & wires, sideways walking , went home to get his car and won the smack-down with redrum by 0.8HP, I have never seen a call-out as close as that...although I think if redrum turned another 500RPM the results may have been reversd.

wunquikser - Tunnel you left you coat at the shop, come on back by and pick it up. And oh yea the Nissan V-Tec is wayyy baddd. Watch out all you posers, Tunnel has the $hit...

BigJ - I told you that oil would be worth 30-40HP...Oh well sorry it was only 26. I can't wait for the new crank, rods and pistons. I will start work on flowing and porting the head and if that thing don't make 500+++ you can have it for free!!!

Dylan - Maybe not a v-tec but we'll make sure it is the baddest L-TwinCam in town,,,why? Because we can and you deserve it, but only if you keep your grades up...

BTW,
Whar's my Civic??? I have talked to 10 different folks in the last 2 months, that said I could drop it in their car for testing and guess what, nobody has shown up yet, I guess free was not enough of a good deal. I need to drop in my V-tec Alien monster...watch out for updates on the 400NA monster. Shooting for 10,500rpm and reliability with stock parts. I don't see why not, the parts and pieces are better than anything stock chevy I have ever worked on.

Here is a quick link to the car we will be hooking up with "Alien Power" as soon as all the little billet goodies get to the shop. Big J is the Technical Manager and I am just the head porter & engine building flunkie and Dynoman. Should be a series of articles on the engine build, followed by some tech stuff on head flow, fuel, tuning and some other cool stuff.
http://nissansportmag.com/2004serspecvbonus.html (http://nissansportmag.com/2004serspecvbonus.html)

Out,
dynoman14

[Big J]

All in all a good first event. I look forward to working with Mark on the few weekends a month I have free. We've got a few things going and the wheels turning on some "stuff". "Technical manager", lol, Mark is the man. It's an interesting fusion of old school meets new school but the goal is the same, make more power, go faster, and keep it together longer than the other guys.

Good meeting some new people this weekend. You never know when Ming will pop up somewhere but it's always cool when he does.

[Echonova]

All in all a good first event. I look forward to working with Mark on the few weekends a month I have free. We've got a few things going and the wheels turning on some "stuff". "Technical manager", lol, Mark is the man. It's an interesting fusion of old school meets new school but the goal is the same, make more power, go faster, and keep it together longer than the other guys.

Good meeting some new people this weekend. You never know when Ming will pop up somewhere but it's always cool when he does.I figured there would have been more people, but the weather was sh*tty. Your Sentra is OMG schweet.:goodjob: Makes me wish I didn't sell mine to get my wife a minivan.:cry:

[BUGMAN]

Sorry guys I really would have like to of attended but we spent the entire day getting some things ready for the race today. Hopefully next time we will be able to make it out.

Chris

[Double_0_Rusty]

GUYS I had a blast, sorry I was sortta shy about talking, and a little hung over. Thank you guys for driving the car for me. Mark I will talk to my parts manager tomorrow, and either have her call you to discuss the details that we talked discussed, or I will call you. I plan on doing more business with you guys. Y'all are more than welcome to come to the Athens Meets anytime.

[Double_0_Rusty]

Big J is was also nice to meet you, and your car put down some very good numbers.

[Double_0_Rusty]

The highlight of the day was "Princess" & "Little Man", Keep up the good work Kevin...

The rest of the day was actually pretty decent. I have learned a couple things about imports that will make our future DynoDays better.

I am working on an in-house coil and wiring system, should be ready in 30 days and adaptable to any car alive...if it dont make more power than your existing system you don't have to buy it. Other than free that seems to be a good deal.

Special Thanks to:

Winder McDonalds - Lori
Winder Domino's Pizza - Jeff

Redrumracer - HMFIC and pimpin the deal all day long...lost the call-out but has potential to win the next one...

Echonova - 2 wunderful fun kids, car ran decent too !!!

streetstuff - Super Dave thanks for all the help, maybe next time you can bring out that lame junyard built 300hpNA Civic...opps did I give away your secret ???

sc sleeper - You left one of your Dyno sheets, e-mail me the link on the HP tuners, from the Cobalt website...This Cobalt will prolly be a house car pretty soon as we have some special tunes we want to play on his ride...AKA Don Nase racing !!!

00_Rusty - Nose dragging, noisy coils & wires, sideways walking , went home to get his car and won the smack-down with redrum by 0.8HP, I have never seen a call-out as close as that...although I think if redrum turned another 500RPM the results may have been reversd.

wunquikser - Tunnel you left you coat at the shop, come on back by and pick it up. And oh yea the Nissan V-Tec is wayyy baddd. Watch out all you posers, Tunnel has the $hit...

BigJ - I told you that oil would be worth 30-40HP...Oh well sorry it was only 26. I can't wait for the new crank, rods and pistons. I will start work on flowing and porting the head and if that thing don't make 500+++ you can have it for free!!!

Dylan - Maybe not a v-tec but we'll make sure it is the baddest L-TwinCam in town,,,why? Because we can and you deserve it, but only if you keep your grades up...

BTW,
Whar's my Civic??? I have talked to 10 different folks in the last 2 months, that said I could drop it in their car for testing and guess what, nobody has shown up yet, I guess free was not enough of a good deal. I need to drop in my V-tec Alien monster...watch out for updates on the 400NA monster. Shooting for 10,500rpm and reliability with stock parts. I don't see why not, the parts and pieces are better than anything stock chevy I have ever worked on.

Here is a quick link to the car we will be hooking up with "Alien Power" as soon as all the little billet goodies get to the shop. Big J is the Technical Manager and I am just the head porter & engine building flunkie and Dynoman. Should be a series of articles on the engine build, followed by some tech stuff on head flow, fuel, tuning and some other cool stuff.
http://nissansportmag.com/2004serspecvbonus.html (http://nissansportmag.com/2004serspecvbonus.html)

Out,
dynoman14



I didn't think my car was that low. LOL You guys are the best. I always walk side ways, and I got called out, so I did what I had to do, and won. LOLOL Props.

[Echonova]

I should have drifted on the dyno... That would have been cool.

[redrumracer]

drifto

[streetstuff]

streetstuff - Super Dave thanks for all the help, maybe next time you can bring out that lame junyard built 300hpNA Civic...opps did I give away your secret ???

it was a good time for what little time i was there-- nice to see good people are out there still!!! you can not tell all secrets dude

[Double_0_Rusty]

Dave, heard you made some money Friday night.

[wunquikser]

dynoman14, its wasnt my jacket thens..i already had an jacket on..

btw i will be deciding whether to build a fully built all motor VE, or and turbocharged VE-T sometime later in the year so you'll be seeing more of the sentra..

[dynoman14]

Think the Geo would be too bad for the roll-in at the Winder Sonic 4-9. Might try and show up and see y'all again. I gotta get my squealing serpentine belt fixed first...I don't even know if it will fit on the lift, damn.

Sonic is on the way home and well I really like the wild milk shakes and slushies !!! You get some VDKA and mix it in and Hoooahhh!!! I be lookin like Rusty pretty soon...

SuperDave is a bad man, I don't think I could cover him if he spotted me a 3 bagger. I wanna go next time to cover some of the side bets...I might better bring BigJ just in case...

Thanks for all the nice stuff y'all said, you just don't know me yet...hahaha

Running a couple dirt cars this week and maybe a pavement Late-Model or two.

Later,
DM14

[streetstuff]

Dave, heard you made some money Friday night.
just a little i wish there was more around to make money i might have to go back to atl !!! dynoman14 i will give you 50 pins let me know

[dynoman14]

dave,
I might just roll out to the Winder roll at the Sonic wednesday, we are going to pick-up an old Mustang I have had sitting for a while, if it runs we might take it up there ( with a for sale sign on it ). I am guessing 50 would not even be enough...last time I bowled about 3 years ago I tweaked my back and could not move for a week. Had to quit golf and bowlin, too much lo-back torque.

Tunnel,
I would def go boost, it is too cheap for the power. take your VE and we'll swap out the pistons, add rings, bearings, hone and balance some ARP studs and a main girdle and she should be ready for 500+.


Kinda funny no Honda's showed is that normal ???

I know everybody had some nice stuff and it was all pretty stout but I guess I was most surprised by the Cobalt, I never knew they were that strong.

If weather is right Sunday we might go drift the Mustang if we can get it running...

[streetstuff]

let me know when you get it to the shop i will help you fix it i will be down that way in the morn i will give you call

[BUGMAN]

dave,we are going to pick-up an old Mustang I have had sitting for a while, if it runs we might take it up there ( with a for sale sign on it ).

What year and is it black by any chance? You have any pictures and how much are you asking for it?

Oh who and where is the dirt track action gonna be at?

[wunquikser]

[QUOTE=dynoman14]dave,

Tunnel,
I would def go boost, it is too cheap for the power. take your VE and we'll swap out the pistons, add rings, bearings, hone and balance some ARP studs and a main girdle and she should be ready for 500+..QUOTE]

well boost it is then, i already have a turbo laying around..just need some bigger injectors and ecu..

[dynoman14]

Bugman,
Sorry, did not get a message that you hit the thread...price??? I am not sure, it's got a cop motor, cop transmission and cop ashtray...I purchased it from Randleman NC PD when I was up there on a Petty project a couple years ago. It came out of a Crown Vic with 21,000 miles that was wrecked in a pursuit. Engine was running about 2 months ago and then had a hard start problem, replaced the coil and it was fine. Yesterday the thing just about tried to burn up as a short must have happened on start-up and burned a wire in the harness...

Will have to figure it out and then get it running again, I think the problem was in the steering column.

Anyway, you can keep in touch on it. I need to snag a couple parts like a front fascia and maybe rear bumper plastic, to make the outside nice and then work on the inside with a couple doo-dads.

Dirt car was on the dyno last couple days, picked up 250 ft# 2500-4500rpm and 57HP 4500-6800. Carb, timin, jets, metering block, air bleeds. Still got 50-75 more hp in ignition noise and a "magic carb".

Wish we could make it out Saturday but we are racing in Valdosta with a customer.

out,
DM14

Later,
Mark

[DerrickT]

this thread just reaks of the gayness.

[big mac]

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=106192 hey well here is the link to the guy that is selling the hp tuner. he wants 450 i think.