Which rifle?

[PlatanoPower]

I'm looking for a rifle to defend my home from any intruders be they robbers, assasins, aliens, etc... lol

I've never owned a gun in my life less shot a real one but have had the experience of cleaning and handling a couple of pistols.

I'm not too keen on the laws in GC but I'm over 18 under 21 so I'm pretty sure a pistol is out of question. Just looking for something easy to maintain and effective when needed.

[03RCode]

Barrett M82A1.

[81911SC]

Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590
If anyone says anything else, don't listen.

[The12lber]

I'm looking for a rifle to defend my home from any intruders be they robbers, assasins, aliens, etc... lol

I've never owned a gun in my life less shot a real one but have had the experience of cleaning and handling a couple of pistols.

I'm not too keen on the laws in GC but I'm over 18 under 21 so I'm pretty sure a pistol is out of question. Just looking for something easy to maintain and effective when needed.

Those 9mm carbines with the tubular magazines are pretty nice. Short and easy to maneuver through a house.

I'm like 6'2"-6'3" and a full size shotgun is still a little long for my tastes inside a house.

[81911SC]

Collapsible stocks. Tactical versions/

[The12lber]

Collapsible stocks. Tactical versions/
State firearms laws.

[BanginJimmy]

you dont want a rife, you want a shotgun. 81911SC has 2 good models, you can also look into a Bonelli.

[jew_boy]

well if your under 21 your not going to be able to buy it unless it from a private dealer

[81911SC]

Don't listen to bouncy, he's a idiot if he's talking about rifles. 18 rifle 21 handgun

[Killer]

....... rifle??? to defend you're home???

you gonna sit on top the roof snipin?? or do you just have some REALLY LONG HALL WAYS?

get a shotty or hand gun...

[allmotoronly]

Barrett M82A1.

lmao. I don't think he is defending his home against armored personnel carriers, and unless his driveway is 7500 feet long and he wants to pick somebody off robbing his mailbox, that might be a little overkill lolololol.

[mushroom_toy]

Just get a simple .22. I bought a mossberg 702 for 90 bucks, that i target practice with and I got it accurate to 90 yards with iron sights, with a 1-1 1/2 inch group around the bullseye. Its also extremely light, I got it at wally world. :lmfao:

[EJdm]

just get a 12 gage...

[The12lber]

Just get a simple .22. I bought a mossberg 702 for 90 bucks, that i target practice with and I got it accurate to 90 yards with iron sights, with a 1-1 1/2 inch group around the bullseye. Its also extremely light, I got it at wally world. :lmfao:

An excellent choice for defending one's backyard from rodents.

[mushroom_toy]

An excellent choice for defending one's backyard from rodents.

And you can kill someone with it just as easily.

Disclaimer....i dont condone this except when defending ones self/property, etc,. lol

[allmotoronly]

Just get a cheap pump 12 gauge shotgun and cut it down to 26.5" (26" or less is illegal for a shotgun). The barrel must be no shorter than 18" though (including the chamber)... A remington 870 for example is about 48" long. Cut 10" off the barrel and put a pistol grip on the stock and you will be right around 30" or so.

The point of having a shorter weapon is so that you can maneuver through tight places easier (e.g. hallways or small rooms of a house).

[VQ35 Star]

^ instead of going through the trouble. just get a hand gun, get you a nice .40 cal
glock 26 .40cal sits perfectly in the hand, and it's real small. 9bullets in clip.

[The12lber]

And you can kill someone with it just as easily.

Disclaimer....i dont condone this except when defending ones self/property, etc,. lol

.22 long rifle is completely inadequate for defending your home. You might as well get an expensive air gun.

I wouldn't want to be shot with one but you don't need too much common sense to realize someone shot with the round, even at close range, is more than likely not going to be immobilized or seriously injured. They will still be able to cause you bodily harm.

[ahmonrah]

Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590
If anyone says anything else, don't listen.i have to agree with the closet bigot on this one.

[81911SC]

^ instead of going through the trouble. just get a hand gun, get you a nice .40 cal
glock 26 .40cal sits perfectly in the hand, and it's real small. 9bullets in clip.
You're not very smart.

[The12lber]

You're not very smart.

A hand gun's perfectly appropriate for self defense.

[81911SC]

Not compared to a shotgun.

[KPowerEP3]

Mossberg? Who said Mossberg?

I keed. 590 is where it's at, son. I keep one loaded with 8 slugs here in the house. I't also got one of those bright ass surefire LED lights on it to blind the mofo before I take a chunk out of him. I definitely agree with some sort of scattergun [ha, I love that term] for home defense.

[The12lber]

Not compared to a shotgun.

Kill a lot of people recently? You're not going to have any problem defending yourself with a medium impulse, high caliber hand gun in .40 auto or .45 ACP.

[81911SC]

Common sense explains that shotgun>Pistol
No accuracy>Accuracy

[Vuongy_Dong]

this thread tickles me.

[EssAreTwenTee]

i have to agree with the closet bigot on this one.

that picture is just creepy

[The12lber]

Common sense explains that shotgun>Pistol
No accuracy>Accuracy
The average self defense shooting takes place at 21 feet or less. It doesn't matter.

[mushroom_toy]

.22 long rifle is completely inadequate for defending your home. You might as well get an expensive air gun.

I wouldn't want to be shot with one but you don't need too much common sense to realize someone shot with the round, even at close range, is more than likely not going to be immobilized or seriously injured. They will still be able to cause you bodily harm.

Wow you must not be too bright. Come to my property piss me off, and give me 50 yards or less and im pretty sire I can probably imobilize you, 90 yards or more and i can probably inflict a decent wound. No its not gonna rip your arm off, but anything is deadly if you hit someone in the right spot.

[The12lber]

Wow you must not be too bright. Come to my property piss me off, and give me 50 yards or less and im pretty sire I can probably imobilize you, 90 yards or more and i can probably inflict a decent wound. No its not gonna rip your arm off, but anything is deadly if you hit someone in the right spot.

As stated previously, the FBI found most self defense shootings occur at 21 feet or less. You don't want to have to rely on "hitting the right spot", which with a .22 needs to be the brain or heart, to immobilize/kill someone within this range. If you had your .22 and I had a knife, within the confines of a home chances are still pretty good that you'd be the one dead and not me.

Its very simple

Muzzle energy
.22 Long Rifle - 104 -141 ft·lbf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-pound_force)
(the range is for loadings, not a margin of error)
9mm parabellum - 326 to 356 ft lbf
.45 ACP - 369 - 414 ft lbf
12 gauge shotgun - common loads exceed 2200ft lbf

When you consider the amount of energy a .22 has combined with its small diameter its a no brainer. Bullets kill and immobilize through massive tissue damage and blood loss (in the case of simple immobilization, more so a sudden drop in blood pressure). The .22 long rifle round is VERY low powered. The energy for the loads you probably are firing is about 1/3 that of a 9mm/.45ACP. And keep in mind neither of these rounds will necessarily immobilize or kill someone when shot. The .22 simply doesn't possess a lot of energy to transfer to the target to cause said massive tissue damage or shock the target on a psychological level. The bullet's diameter is too low to create a large wound channel, which is what causes sudden and dramatic loss of blood pressure. I have shot a rabbit with a .22 to no immediate effect. It kept running.

Yes, you're going to kill someone if you shoot them in the heart or in the cranium. But I could do that with the .177 caliber air gun I had in 6th grade. Anywhere else, you're just going to anger someone who is probably only a few feet away from being able to stab you. The idea of .22 LR for self defense is laughable. Go ask a gun store owner, a hunter or a combat veteran what he thinks about that. Its simply not practical.

So basically. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS NOT TOO BRIGHT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FIREARMS TO TAKE ONE LOOK AT A .22LR AND KNOW THAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT YOUR LIFE TO DEPEND ON ITS EFFECTIVENESS, EVER.

[81911SC]

So we agree, Shotgun>

[The12lber]

So we agree, Shotgun>

The impact of a shotgun loaded with 00 buck is greater than that of a pistol of any caliber, but a pistol's greater maneuverability mitigates this advantage when a high caliber pistol like a .45 is plentifully capable of dropping someone. Basically, they both have their merits so neither is plainly superior.

[81911SC]

Which would be easier to use in that type of a situation?
Any caliber you have to be accurate under extreme stress.
Shotgun is much more simple.

[The12lber]

Which would be easier to use in that type of a situation?
Any caliber you have to be accurate under extreme stress.
Shotgun is much more simple.

Shooting is very simple, at those ranges you don't need any level of experience with a firearm to be effective. You just need to point the gun and fire.

And honestly, that those ranges, a shotgun doesn't have a huge spread either. If you can't hit them with a pistol at >21 you can't do it with a shotgun.

[81911SC]

Bull****.

[The12lber]

Bull****.
Have you ever fired a shotgun? It doesn't hit everything in front of you, especially not at that range. You have to aim the thing.

[81911SC]

I'm ignoring the question and the statement and going to bed.

[WickedIXMR]

^ instead of going through the trouble. just get a hand gun, get you a nice .40 cal
glock 26 .40cal sits perfectly in the hand, and it's real small. 9bullets in clip.
Damn youre dumb. A glock 26 is a sub compact 9mm. And do not sit perfectly in your hands unless you got pu.ssy hands. Almost half my hand hangs off when i hold that gun.

[allmotoronly]

Have you ever fired a shotgun? It doesn't hit everything in front of you, especially not at that range. You have to aim the thing.

Cut the barrel down and the spread pattern becomes much larger at closer range.

[The12lber]

Cut the barrel down and the spread pattern becomes much larger at closer range.

More recoil, illegal modification, etc. Although yes, it does do that.

[81911SC]

Kill a lot of people recently? You're not going to have any problem defending yourself with a medium impulse, high caliber hand gun in .40 auto or .45 ACP.
Long guns, be they rifles or shotguns, are more powerful, more intimidating, and easier to aim. If you think that any of those reasons don't matter, then that's fine for you, but don't go around telling other people not to pick a long gun. The fact is that the only real reason for pistols is because you can't concealed-carry a long gun, and in a home defense situation that's not a concern.

[The12lber]

Long guns, be they rifles or shotguns, are more powerful, more intimidating, and easier to aim. If you think that any of those reasons don't matter, then that's fine for you, but don't go around telling other people not to pick a long gun. The fact is that the only real reason for pistols is because you can't concealed-carry a long gun, and in a home defense situation that's not a concern.

Actually, all I've been saying is that both have their merits and are perfectly adequate for self defense. Also, a rifle isn't ideal for home defense since it will over penetrate and potentially injure someone else. Reading comprehension more please.

[81911SC]

There are many gun owners on here, want to make a poll?

[The12lber]

There are many gun owners on here, want to make a poll?

Sure, lets poll all the people who have shot and killed their fellow man using varying armaments so we can make a really good comparison.

As a side note, you're still not getting what I'm saying. I'm not advocating one over the other, all I'm saying is a proper hand gun is more than adequate for self defense. Unless you're honestly arguing otherwise I don't know why you're posting.