D series guys

[Curbow_USMC]

I am thinking about building my D series in my 99 civic rather than doing a swap. I was just wanting to know how much HP other people got out of there D series and how before I make my decision on what to do.

thanks,

[Allshow97]

The guys over at Mahdavi claim they can get 190Whp on a boosted D series engine so I guess that much is possible with the right parts and the right tuning. Give those guys a call they are always friendly and willing to help out.

[Negrodamus]

well instun noodoh made 230hp and like 179lbs of torque on a slipping clutch and a STOCK d16y8 motor during tuning
scttyd411 on a non vtec d is like 190+ hp

[scttydb411]

203whp 198wtq on my y7 w/ 104k miles. been boosted for over 2yrs all stock internals.

[iNsTuN nOoDoH]

scotty made 202 whp and 200 tq i think. green91 has a boosted d too, but he hasn't hit the dyno.

[iNsTuN nOoDoH]

hey scotty, i might hit ya up again. Gettin my clutch, fuel pump, plugs and distributor rotor monday...

[Curbow_USMC]

everyone has realy got me thinking

[Negrodamus]

Real men rock the B-series save the sohc for the little girls :D

[mp5o]

^ :lmfao:
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[Curbow_USMC]

think it is kinda bad ass when a D kicks a B's ass

[Vteckidd]

do not BUILD a D series. i would turbo your stock motor if its in good shape. if not, then get a LS swap or a B16

[BTEC]

i saw a sleeved d16 in import racer or honda tuning make 320+ at the wheels with a turbo. of course, that is a magazine. b series is the way to go IMO though.

[Curbow_USMC]

why do you say that "you would not build a D series?"

[speedminded]

...sorry to crash the thread but does anyone have a header and 02 sensor for a d-series?! I need one for a hatch si asap.

[Curbow_USMC]

:2up: you messing up my thread. :bigok: j/k it's cool

[iNsTuN nOoDoH]

Building it for na apps is not worth it. I have a stock header, no o2 sensor

[Curbow_USMC]

:leghump:

[LS2ner]

i think it was Bisi rghnskdjbngkdfbgkb or something like that that was running a D series and was kicking ass... i guess its all about how muhc money u can spend.

[scttydb411]

hey scotty, i might hit ya up again. Gettin my clutch, fuel pump, plugs and distributor rotor monday...

cool...feel free to give me a call.

[Curbow_USMC]

:idb:

[eViLMunkey]

I'm getting closer to 100... i think.. but I want to change out heads w/ a d16 and put in the stroker kit... and trying to stay all motor...

[Curbow_USMC]

:super:

[green91]

d-series is a good way to go. im running 12psi on a d16z6 with head studs.. 350+whp is possible with forged internals and mild head work with a evo3 16g

[green91]

hey jason, what year Si? ive got a few stock d-series exhaust manifolds lying around mom's basement

[Curbow_USMC]

i am looking for a good deal on a turbo kit (good yet low in price) this is the best i have found.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4569294181&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores
is this good? and also. does anybody know of a better deal?

thanks,

[speedminded]

hey jason, what year Si? ive got a few stock d-series exhaust manifolds lying around mom's basementshe bought a stock manifold with sensor for like $40 off eBay...it's a '94 though.

[brokecivic]

dude i was kicking ass with my d16y8,no ac or ps,shorty header,nkg wires,custom tubing exhaust and a exedy racing clutch it was pretty quick for a sohc i would build it up a little and then turbo that bitch and you will have a quick car

[fight club]

go all motor, sink ridiculous amounts of money into it and land in the 150 whp group. and feel the satisfaction. thats what im doing

[Curbow_USMC]

go all motor, sink ridiculous amounts of money into it and land in the 150 whp group. and feel the satisfaction. thats what im doing


See your key works in that.....sink ridiculous amounts of money.
yea, that is the thing i dont have.

[civic95]

with the sc I should be around 165HP, 150 HP to the wheels. Haven't been to the dyno yet though so that's all speculation. Hitting 150 HP NA is going to be tough, and by the time your done you could have bought a B18C5 (Integra Type-R) swap.

[99SI]

i think it was Bisi rghnskdjbngkdfbgkb or something like that that was running a D series and was kicking ass... i guess its all about how muhc money u can spend.
Bisi Ezerioha is running a SOHC but it is an F22 Accord engine. He also is running a custom crank w/ a different stroke that he machined himself. He also is running methanol! lol. So, you build a 15k dollar race SOHC and yeah you can make 340whp but you'll need it to be in a 1200 lb insight like he's running as well. I know I'm late one this one but just saw it and wanted to throw it in.

[green91]

there has been talk of putting in a d17 crank and making a d-series stroker for cheap

[iNsTuN nOoDoH]

Hey civic95, you still got those vent shades? Haha I could never get in contact wit you...

[fight club]

i have a d17. im hopin to hit 130 at the wheels. gonna be a battle.

[99SI]

good luck. I've got a b16 looking to hit 180 to the wheels

[Curbow_USMC]

are you guys going all motor?

[Vteckidd]

yeah they are all motor

[Curbow_USMC]

oh ok, well, good luck, lol, i'm gonna take the easy way out and boost

[djmaddmartin]

Don't waste the time with the d-series. NA or Boosted, its like trying to run boost through a restricter plate motor. The d-series heads are so restrictive even Port and Polished and the SOHC was designed for fuel efficiency and cost effectivness not performance. Talk to anyone... Peter who owns the 9sec gold hatch at Import Source Performance or Sammy at Tiger Racing or even anyone on a tight budget and they will tell you that the D-series is a dead end road. The money spent to attain even stock B-series power could buy you a much better motor that you will be much happier with.

[eViLMunkey]

well... I don't plan on spending in the thousands and I'm not goin for drag I could care less about doin a 1/4 mile in 9 sec.. and burn alot of fuel...

[D16Civic]

The money spent to attain even stock B-series power could buy you a much better motor that you will be much happier with.
Really?
Shoot, if thats the case, why dont you tell me what b series motor makes 200 whp and will only cost you $2500 or less to buy and put in.

[eViLMunkey]

Exactly... :goodjob:....

[Curbow_USMC]

I'm with that D16civic said :goodjob:

[mp5o]

Don't waste the time with the d-series. NA or Boosted, its like trying to run boost through a restricter plate motor. The d-series heads are so restrictive even Port and Polished and the SOHC was designed for fuel efficiency and cost effectivness not performance. Talk to anyone... Peter who owns the 9sec gold hatch at Import Source Performance or Sammy at Tiger Racing or even anyone on a tight budget and they will tell you that the D-series is a dead end road. The money spent to attain even stock B-series power could buy you a much better motor that you will be much happier with.

I think your mad because a turbo d beat you. :rant: :bigok:

[djmaddmartin]

Never had a turbo D beat me. As a matter of fact, my last hatch which was unfortunately stolen (sure miss her) beat the pants off a Boosted D. It wasn't even a competition. Sorry buddy.... But if yall D series lovers want to keep trying to make a fuel saver motor into a race motor and spend thousands more to make the same power as a b series go right ahead. Knock your self out. But just for the record, I don't hate d series. To the contrary I love the d-series in my daily driver.
It gets 40 miles to the gallon!!!!:lmfao:

[D16Civic]

yes, ur right, a built or boosted d series will never keep up w/ a built or boosted b series, thats obvious.

I just dont think u grasp the concept that itll cost probably 5-6 grand to do a motor swap and put a turbo on the b so as to be able to take a boosted d. I know i dont have that kind of money.

And who said anything about wanting to build a freaken race motor, im talking 200 whp on a otherwise stock motor which will make our d series a hell of lot of fun to drive. A lot of us just want a really fun daily driver, not some 9-10 sec drag car.

[djmaddmartin]

I wasn't talking about boosting the b-series. I wasn't talking about a 9 sec car. You clearly can't grasp the concept that for the SAME amount of money, the b-series would be better. My previous hatch cost only $2800 with a b-series swap. It ran the crap out of a boosted d series which cost far more money to put together. Hell. I could have bought a $500 EF and swaped in a H22a with cams for less money than a boosted D and still been faster and had a very fun daily driver. But no matter what, what I've learned is d-series people eventually learn that their motors are dead end pits, with a horrible money to hp ratio. Its all about value. And d series motor just don't offer a good return on the investment.

[D16Civic]

alright, sry for any hostility in my last post

to be honest, i would love to put like a b18c in my car right now, but only if i had the money to do stuff to it afterwards, which i wouldnt (dont even think i have enough money for the swap itself)

Ive been searching about this stuff for awhile now trying to figure out what i wanted to do in my 97 ex coupe (d16y8) and i have found that i could turbocharge my existing motor for a lot less than doing a motor swap and still be making more power and especially more torque (around 190 or so compared to a b18c's 110-115 im guessing at the wheels)
And that torque would come around 3500 rpm so i wouldnt have to rev the crap out of my motor to get anywhere, which would, in my eyes, make it a much funner (this should be a word, dang it) car to drive everyday on the street, i wouldnt always be having to downshift to get goin.

Thats what i have found from my research on this stuff, around 200 whp and 190-195 wtq compared to even a b18c5's 170-175 whp and 115 tq (these r just my estimates on the motor, havnt actually seen a dyno of one)

[OG-Skinny]

So D-series suck huh??...

http://store1.yimg.com/I/cheapturbo_1857_29758324

[D16Civic]

man, i love seeing little d series motors putting down numbers like that
Is that urs??

[Curbow_USMC]

nice

[OG-Skinny]

i wish it was mine. IT's a guy I met off Honda-tech. He lives in Kentucky. He drives that car every day too!!

He said if he had a egual length manifold and bigger injectors he'd come close to 600whp

[D16Civic]

damn, thats freaken awesome

[Curbow_USMC]

damb.... i will never see that kind of power.

[eViLMunkey]

Wow!!... but I'm not boosting....

[turbo_spool]

just get an H22, problem solved...

[eViLMunkey]

nope I still want handling... :goodjob: and I'm just sticking w/ a mini me swap...

[Curbow_USMC]

i think i will be happy with turboing my y7

[mp5o]

^Just do it right the first time, don't dick around with tuning, etc. and you'll be happy.

[SidewayzKult]

If you want a d series to build, i have a d16y8 bottom end, complete for sale 50$, it needs a new rod bearing. its got a slight knock, but can be rebuilt for sure.
prob get a kit for like under 150$ and rebuild it.
i got a d16y7 head in perfect condition for 50$ also
complete with valve cover.

[djmaddmartin]

So the debate is about the benifits of boosting a stock D series compared to buying B series swap, yes. So where does this fully built, highly modified and over boosted d-series back the argument. If thats so, how about an equally built and boosted B series. These numbers are old and out of date. Its up to 732whp and about to be 800whp. Sorry. Who's your DADDY!:idb: