Carbon Fiber: Compensation or Retardation?

[man]

What with the obsession over carbon fiber? If it isn't a professional race car, why waste your money? You don't need that .3 seconds off your lap time, your career isn't riding on it. If you're going to put it on a street/track car, at least paint the ****. Have some sense of style and class. Bare CF on a car is like a $10,000 lift on a truck that's never been off-road, you're obviously compensating for something. And no, I don't necessarily mean your manhood, but maybe it makes you feel important, like an iPhone.

Quit wasting your time and money trying to FEEL important and BECOME important.

That is all.


EDIT: whoops wrong section somehow, mods please move to Car Talk or Whoreslounge

[mocha latte cupcake]

i use carbon for multiple purposes... you're correct that my racing career doesn't hang in the balance lol. but carbon does look good. and I do like to keep my cars as light as possible so when i line up next to someone who has more HP than me but a heavier car i can save a few more pounds and maybe beat him... but i see what you mean, i don't agree with carbon fenders, carbon bumpers, carbon sills, but carbon hood and trunks are still good in my book. heaviest things on the car and they will actually do some good! :goodjob:

[Zeeb]

its personal styling, i like it and painting it is dumb, if you buy a carbon fiber hood and paint it, why not keep the original hood in the first place?

[darkstar6069]

^^ agreed. I only like carbon fiber hoods, trunks, and lips, and occasionally some CF interior, but nothing rediculous.

[man]

its personal styling, i like it and painting it is dumb, if you buy a carbon fiber hood and paint it, why not keep the original hood in the first place?

Because the purpose of CF is to be lighter, not to look pretty... :thinking:

[Random Hero]

Let me riddle your title a little more by saying Compensation or Retardation? Depends on application.

Different stroke for different folks man.

About your truck comment, I think it's the fact of having it when/if you need it.

Ever heard of the saying "I'd rather have and not need then need and not have."?

I think that's a poor comparison.

I personally don't like a lot of carbon, but the Honda kids made me this way.

[man]

Let me riddle your title a little more by saying Compensation or Retardation? Depends on application.

Different stroke for different folks man.

About your truck comment, I think it's the fact of having it when/if you need it.

Ever heard of the saying "I'd rather have and not need then need and not have."?

I think that's a poor comparison.

I personally don't like a lot of carbon, but the Honda kids made me this way.

When are you ever going to NEED it? Honestly, no one is going to put a gun to your head and tell you you have to lap Road Atlanta .1 seconds quicker than a stock body car.

Think about it, somehow people were fine back in the days before CF. However did they do it?

[Zeeb]

yea i only like hoods lips and some engine dress up... when u start doing doors and fenders, and roofs and shyt like that, unless its on an s2000 roof... then y have it unless ur racing.... on a track.

[quickdodge®]

I personally don't like a lot of carbon, but the Honda kids made me this way.

Isn't that truth.


i like it and painting it is dumb, if you buy a carbon fiber hood and paint it, why not keep the original hood in the first place?

Carbon fiber was intended to bring the car's weight down, Einstein. It wasn't marketed as a "must have for car shows" item. If you want a nice looking, clean car, then painting doesn't sound too "dumb" afterall. If you want your car to look less than clean, then take a white or red or whatever car and put a CF trunk lid and hood on it. Unpainted. Go ahead and do it. All the Honda children are doing it. Later, QD.

[Random Hero]

When are you ever going to NEED it? Honestly, no one is going to put a gun to your head and tell you you have to lap Road Atlanta .1 seconds quicker than a stock body car.

Think about it, somehow people were fine back in the days before CF. However did they do it?

I mean I agree with you to some degree, but why do you care so much?

There were many things that people did back in the day that we do differently today. Doesn't mean it's better/quicker. It's just different.

[quickdodge®]

There were many things that people did back in the day that we do differently today. Doesn't mean it's better/quicker. It's just different.

Like lowering cars! Lolol. I will stick, to this day, with heating my springs to achieve my desired ride height. Later, QD.

[Zeeb]

Carbon fiber was intended to bring the car's weight down, Einstein. It wasn't marketed as a "must have for car shows" item. If you want a nice looking, clean car, then painting doesn't sound too "dumb" afterall. If you want your car to look less than clean, then take a white or red or whatever car and put a CF trunk lid and hood on it. Unpainted. Go ahead and do it. All the Honda children are doing it. Later, QD.

Duh. I know it was made for wieght reduction for racing, but Einstein, adding paint to the car also adds weight if you wanna be technical. For my for instance i have an s2000, my hood is about the same weight as a carbon fiber hood... so if i ever got one, i wouldnt paint it because i like the carbon look, and if i painted it i might as well keep my stock hood... thats what im saying.

[Random Hero]

Like lowering cars! Lolol. I will stick, to this day, with heating my springs to achieve my desired ride height. Later, QD.

Amen to that brotha! Old school FTW! :goodjob:

[Thighs]

fcman is right on this one. what makes carbon fiber body panels any different than having off colored ones on your car? on a street car, the weight wont make a difference at all.

[quickdodge®]

but Einstein,

Lolol @ stupidity.


thats what im saying.

I know what you tried to say. That you're involvement in this is to show the lemming-like attitude you take to modding cars. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

Amen to that brotha! Old school FTW! :goodjob:

Heheheh. Later, QD.

[SixSquared]

While we're on the subject, why do show car people dole out cash for 2 and 3 piece wheels? or high end race seats? Or turbo/supercharger setups? Why do people even paint their cars in the first place? Why is there any attention paid to auto styling at all? All cars should be function over form and should hang with ALMS cars.

Carbon fiber is there for the same reason the logo is on your shirt, or the team name on your hat. Does a $40 official NY Yankees hat offer anything that a plain jane $5 wal mart hat doesn't? Well.. they both have a brim, they both fit your head... not a lick of advantage to one over the other, but one expresses YOU better. You have a choice on how you spend your money. So people wanna spend it on carbon fiber pieces for a show car. So what? Let em. The widespread popularity of cf is what makes it readily available and keeps prices in check, so that those of you who actually want cf pieces for weight reduction can get a hood for less than $900. You can do that because the company doesn't have to do any kind of custom molding for your car, because 34 million other people bought them for their cars that will never see anything faster than a BP burnout.

[Random Hero]

While we're on the subject, why do show car people dole out cash for 2 and 3 piece wheels? or high end race seats? Or turbo/supercharger setups? Why do people even paint their cars in the first place? Why is there any attention paid to auto styling at all? All cars should be function over form and should hang with ALMS cars.

Carbon fiber is there for the same reason the logo is on your shirt, or the team name on your hat. Does a $40 official NY Yankees hat offer anything that a plain jane $5 wal mart hat doesn't? Well.. they both have a brim, they both fit your head... not a lick of advantage to one over the other, but one expresses YOU better. You have a choice on how you spend your money. So people wanna spend it on carbon fiber pieces for a show car. So what? Let em. The widespread popularity of cf is what makes it readily available and keeps prices in check, so that those of you who actually want cf pieces for weight reduction can get a hood for less than $900. You can do that because the company doesn't have to do any kind of custom molding for your car, because 34 million other people bought them for their cars that will never see anything faster than a BP burnout.


Nicely done! :goodjob:

[Dietcoke]

A real carbon fiber hood is going to cost upwards of $5000. $10000 if its a huge hood like my car. (made by a quailty company IE: seibon) The wet laid bull**** with a glass frame makes me cry and or/laugh at ricers and wannabes that think $450 on ebay is going to buy them a product thats worth half of a ****. Buy a complete fiberglass hood that weighs the same for a lot less money. What a gimmick.

[carbongs]

o geeze, no comment. i do it for the looks. i am fascinated by the material and the process of usiung it. makes it look classy and sporty all at once - depending on the application of course.

mercedes uses it

http://www.tradenote.net/images/users/000/109/125/products_images/Mercedes__W211__Carbon_Fiber_Interior.jpg

infinity uses it

http://www.burtmanindustries.com/images/prodimages/m45_carb_radio_close.jpg

bmw uses it

http://www.cecwheels.com/images/medialibrary/ACS-5SERIES-STUDIO-INTERIOR.jpg

and in the end it is all preference. you can dislike it all you want but that doesn't mean nobody else can like it.

[Thighs]

While we're on the subject, why do show car people dole out cash for 2 and 3 piece wheels? or high end race seats? Or turbo/supercharger setups? Why do people even paint their cars in the first place? Why is there any attention paid to auto styling at all? All cars should be function over form and should hang with ALMS cars.

Carbon fiber is there for the same reason the logo is on your shirt, or the team name on your hat. Does a $40 official NY Yankees hat offer anything that a plain jane $5 wal mart hat doesn't? Well.. they both have a brim, they both fit your head... not a lick of advantage to one over the other, but one expresses YOU better. You have a choice on how you spend your money. So people wanna spend it on carbon fiber pieces for a show car. So what? Let em. The widespread popularity of cf is what makes it readily available and keeps prices in check, so that those of you who actually want cf pieces for weight reduction can get a hood for less than $900. You can do that because the company doesn't have to do any kind of custom molding for your car, because 34 million other people bought them for their cars that will never see anything faster than a BP burnout.


this isnt about show cars, thats a whole different breed of dumbass. were talking about the people who do it for its "performance benefits". there is no performance benefits for a street car to have a cf anything.

[SixSquared]

A real carbon fiber hood is going to cost upwards of $5000. $10000 if its a huge hood like my car. (made by a quailty company IE: seibon) The wet laid bull**** with a glass frame makes me cry and or/laugh at ricers and wannabes that think $450 on ebay is going to buy them a product thats worth half of a ****. Buy a complete fiberglass hood that weighs the same for a lot less money. What a gimmick.

Show me a $5000 seibon hood... would love to see it.

[Thighs]

o geeze, no comment. i do it for the looks. i am fascinated by the material and the process of usiung it. makes it look classy and sporty all at once - depending on the application of course.



do you know how to use it?

[Zeeb]

siebon hoods arent 5000$, lmao if u buy a carbon fiber hood for that price ur retard, dry carbon hoods go for about 2 grand for my s2000, but normal carbon fiber hoods are like 650 plus shipping.... from seibon

[carbongs]

do you know how to use it?

i know how to manipulate the actual carbon fiber sheets to make and wrap items :goodjob:

[SixSquared]

this isnt about show cars, thats a whole different breed of dumbass. were talking about the people who do it for its "performance benefits". there is no performance benefits for a street car to have a cf anything.

Sure it has a benefit on a street car.

What's the benefit?

It's my ****ing car and I like the way it looks. When people try to justify it as a performance increase on a street car, I tend to :rolleyes: but whatever makes them feel better. That's the problem with the auto world these days.. people can't accept that someone did a mod to their car simply because they like the way it looks. It's all "what's the performance upgrade in doing that?". So when people say there's no performance upgrade, they get called a ricer. When they try to justify something that was genuinely because they liked it by saying it has a tiny performance increase, they get called a ricer. I wish people would man up and say "screw you, I like the way it looks".

and your comment about show cars being another breed of dumbass makes me laugh...

Oh looka this guy... yep... just another show car dumbass...

http://peterportugal.com/Images/events/custom-car-J1A.jpg

[quickdodge®]

makes it look classy and sporty all at once

I don't think it makes it look classy. Sporty? Yes. Later, QD.

[KidSaru]

Haha, good thread...I especially like when they go gungho and do the carbon hood/trunk/doors...EVERYTHING and have a sound system, sound dampening for it...Full interior for that matter.

[Zeeb]

yea people are hard headed andneed to get a life, if u do it for performance cause u track ur car good for you, if you paint it good for you, if you buy it cause u like the way it looks good for you, who the **** cares, do you have anything else to do other than arguing about carbon fiber products? jeez, end of discussion.

[Thighs]

dry carbon? lolol theres no such thing. carbon is carbon. the expensive hood you saw is actually made of CF, the cheap one is fiberglass frame with 1-2 CF top layers.

[quickdodge®]

I disagree with each of your inputs. You're completely going too deep into it. So far deep that you don't even know what the thread is actually about. You obviously have CF parts on your car and therefore you're going to defend CF tooth and nail.


Sure it has a benefit on a street car.

What's the benefit?

It's my ****ing car and I like the way it looks.

"It's my ****ing car and I like the way it looks" is NOT a performance benefit. I do agree that there is a dumbass in this thread. But it's not the OP. Later, QD.

[carbongs]

Sure it has a benefit on a street car.

What's the benefit?

It's my ****ing car and I like the way it looks. I wish people would man up and say "screw you, I like the way it looks".



my point exactly! it's not like i am racing my near 4000 lb car anytime soon! :lmfao:

btw, beatiful car you have posted!

http://peterportugal.com/Images/events/custom-car-J1A.jpg

[Dietcoke]

I was using my car as an example. My hood is like twice the size of an ordinary hood... plus the fenders are incorporated. you cant even lay it with a 60" sheet. (the biggest available IF you can find one) Supply costs have more then tripled for CF in the past 5 years, most of it going to the military naval and aerospace industries. Most mass produced molds will be a bit cheaper, seibon wanted over $5g a piece to run 10 hoods for the sky... its just rediculous when you can glass a hood for so much less.

[quickdodge®]

end of discussion.

I don't see anywhere that states that you can end any discussion. You think that just because YOU say so that it will be so? Later, QD.

[The BUCKY]

dry carbon? lolol theres no such thing. carbon is carbon. the expensive hood you saw is actually made of CF, the cheap one is fiberglass frame with 1-2 CF top layers.



actually there is such a thing.

[carbongs]

^ get em Bucky!

[Thighs]

Sure it has a benefit on a street car.

What's the benefit?

It's my ****ing car and I like the way it looks. When people try to justify it as a performance increase on a street car, I tend to :rolleyes: but whatever makes them feel better. That's the problem with the auto world these days.. people can't accept that someone did a mod to their car simply because they like the way it looks. It's all "what's the performance upgrade in doing that?". So when people say there's no performance upgrade, they get called a ricer. When they try to justify something that was genuinely because they liked it by saying it has a tiny performance increase, they get called a ricer. I wish people would man up and say "screw you, I like the way it looks".



do you not know how to read? were not talking about the people who do it for looks. were talking about the retards who buy a cf hood and think that there is a real performance benefit from saving 20 lbs on their DD.

good for you if you do it for looks. i honestly dont think it looks bad.

[KidSaru]

dry carbon? lolol theres no such thing. carbon is carbon. the expensive hood you saw is actually made of CF, the cheap one is fiberglass frame with 1-2 CF top layers.

Yes there is. Dry carbon is prepreg, "wet" is laid on by layer.

[The BUCKY]

Dry carbon is what has always been know as prepreg. When you receive prepreg it is cloth preimpregnated with frozen resin. It is like a roll of cardboard somewhat in consistency and workability. So its "dry" until you put it in your vacuum bag, pressurize it and heat it up and that frozen resin now flows in you mold, cures and you have a badass part. Wet layup is anything other than prepreg. That includes chopper gun, hand-layup, vaccumbagged wet layup, its all not prepreg.

[Thighs]

actually there is such a thing.

well if your talking about wet lay v.s. prepreg, yeah i guess you could call it wet/dry.

[Thighs]

Dry carbon is what has always been know as prepreg. When you receive prepreg it is cloth preimpregnated with frozen resin. It is like a roll of cardboard somewhat in consistency and workability. So its "dry" until you put it in your vacuum bag, pressurize it and heat it up and that frozen resin now flows in you mold, cures and you have a badass part. Wet layup is anything other than prepreg. That includes chopper gun, hand-layup, vaccumbagged wet layup, its all not prepreg.

jeez lol i already said i get it. i just know it as wet layup/prepreg

[SixSquared]

^^YOU need to stop stalking before you sound more like an idiot than you do now.

There are two different types of CF... impregnated and dry. Impregnated cf is what you generally see used in DOT hoods/exterior pieces. It is "impregnated" with fiberglass resin so that when it gets laid with a fiberglass frame and vaccuum formed, it will bind better to the fiberglass frame. It's also a bit easier to work and will give you a much glossier shine as the end result. 90% of the cf on cars you see is impregnated. Glossy, pretty, nice deep weave texture, but the problem is it's also heavier, since it has so much fiberglass in it. Usually an impregnated cf hood will weigh about as much as a fiberglass hood, sometimes more. Either way, impregnated cf hood you're looking at weighing about 27-35 lbs, where a metal hood will weigh 35-40+ depending on the car.

DRY carbon fiber is when you literally take a sheet of carbon fiber and use immense pressure and heat to form it. It's not as pretty, not as glossy, but is MUCH lighter. Like we're talking 9lb hoods. However, it is almost impossible to get DOT approval for dry CF, they're more expensive, and they don't have that trademark "bling" effect that impregnated does. However, you see dry cf used a lot in interior applications, since it forms around complex curves easier. It's then painted with high gloss clearcoat/laquer to make it look shiny.

Impregnated cf:

http://www.scielo.br/img/revistas/mr/v10n1/19f4.gif

Dry CF:

http://www.kr-2s.com/images/carbon_600.jpg

Seeeeeeeeee??

[quickdodge®]

^^^ GOOGLE!

Later, QD.

[Dirty Octopus™]

I am actually quite anti carbon..
i find it useless to dish out hundreds to get a "look"
i may be indeed partial to unicolor paint schemes. but if you'd like a contrast in color why not paint parts a different color?
in many if not MOST cases people do the carbon thing for a look and its a complete waste of money.

[SixSquared]

I disagree with each of your inputs. You're completely going too deep into it. So far deep that you don't even know what the thread is actually about. You obviously have CF parts on your car and therefore you're going to defend CF tooth and nail.



"It's my ****ing car and I like the way it looks" is NOT a performance benefit. I do agree that there is a dumbass in this thread. But it's not the OP. Later, QD.

You would disagree with me just for the sake of disagreement, Mike.

And yeah, there is carbon fiber on my car... pretty good amount as a matter of fact. Do I walk around saying I did it for a performance upgrade? Nope. If I get that .1 off my lap time, yippee. Great. Why do I like cf? I like the way it looks.. a lot... and as far as working with it in non-automotive applications, it has a LOT of potential and a wide variety of uses, which from an industrial design standpoint, makes it a fascinating material.

[SixSquared]

^^^ GOOGLE!

Later, QD.

ZOMG MODEL AND PROTOTYPE DEVELOPMENT 2150!

[GSRTURBOTEG]

I have a car the the whole thing is carbon fiber and no I don't race it or even really drive it, but that is what I wanted and I can afford it so why not? Does a millionaire really have to have three or four homes, plus a yatch, an airplane, and 50 cars? No but that is what they wanted just like a carbon fiber integra is what I wanted...not really dogging your opinion but as I stated before opinions are like assholes evrybody has got one that does not mean we all want to see it.

[Thighs]

^^YOU need to stop stalking before you sound more like an idiot than you do now.

There are two different types of CF... impregnated and dry. Impregnated cf is what you generally see used in DOT hoods/exterior pieces. It is "impregnated" with fiberglass resin so that when it gets laid with a fiberglass frame and vaccuum formed, it will bind better to the fiberglass frame. It's also a bit easier to work and will give you a much glossier shine as the end result. 90% of the cf on cars you see is impregnated. Glossy, pretty, nice deep weave texture, but the problem is it's also heavier, since it has so much fiberglass in it. Usually an impregnated cf hood will weigh about as much as a fiberglass hood, sometimes more. Either way, impregnated cf hood you're looking at weighing about 27-35 lbs, where a metal hood will weigh 35-40+ depending on the car.

DRY carbon fiber is when you literally take a sheet of carbon fiber and use immense pressure and heat to form it. It's not as pretty, not as glossy, but is MUCH lighter. Like we're talking 9lb hoods. However, it is almost impossible to get DOT approval for dry CF, they're more expensive, and they don't have that trademark "bling" effect that impregnated does. However, you see dry cf used a lot in interior applications, since it forms around complex curves easier. It's then painted with high gloss clearcoat/laquer to make it look shiny.



i can talk all i want. i work with carbon on a regular basis and elan composites. i know what im taking about. there was just different terminology used that i hadnt heard before.

for one thing, no real carbon fiber hood has fiberglass in it. it might have a glass frame, but in the carbon itself? no. ALL carbon that you will ever see has resin in it. how do you think it stays in shape and is smooth?

[GSRTURBOTEG]

I did not paint mine either she is raw carbon and clear that is what I want

[Frög]

ya your right, its it must be "retardation"

here the company that now makes the most profit:

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj43/hduffyf/2008%20997%20Turbo/DSC_0070.jpg

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj43/hduffyf/2008%20997%20Turbo/DSC_0067.jpg

pics of the audi S8 please.. cabron fiber looks good.. End of it..

i dont like carbon fiber hood etc.. but come on..

[Thighs]

You would disagree with me just for the sake of disagreement, Mike.

And yeah, there is carbon fiber on my car... pretty good amount as a matter of fact. Do I walk around saying I did it for a performance upgrade? Nope. If I get that .1 off my lap time, yippee. Great. Why do I like cf? I like the way it looks.. a lot... and as far as working with it in non-automotive applications, it has a LOT of potential and a wide variety of uses, which from an industrial design standpoint, makes it a fascinating material.

LOLOL WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IT ON A CAR. the non-automotive applications have nothing to do with this thread. you have lots of carbon on your car for that "bling" effect you were talking about earlier. you saw it in a picture on somebody elses car and said to yourself "dam thats ballll'in" and then got it. you lose.

[KidSaru]

i can talk all i want. i work with carbon on a regular basis and elan composites. i know what im taking about. there was just different terminology used that i hadnt heard before.

for one thing, no real carbon fiber hood has fiberglass in it. it might have a glass frame, but in the carbon itself? no. ALL carbon that you will ever see has resin in it. how do you think it stays in shape and is smooth?

:thinking:

[LiL PaKi]

i like the way it looks.. cf hood, cf lip, cf spoon mirrors.. and cf eyelids FTW

[KidSaru]

i like the way it looks.. cf hood, cf lip, cf spoon mirrors.. and cf eyelids FTW

Nice Accord.










jk

[quickdodge®]

You would disagree with me just for the sake of disagreement, Mike.

Very nice. So because I disagree is completely because of my lack of respect for you and not because it's true?


And yeah, there is carbon fiber on my car... pretty good amount as a matter of fact. Do I walk around saying I did it for a performance upgrade? Nope. If I get that .1 off my lap time, yippee. Great. Why do I like cf? I like the way it looks.. a lot... and as far as working with it in non-automotive applications, it has a LOT of potential and a wide variety of uses, which from an industrial design standpoint, makes it a fascinating material.

You're prime example of why this thread was created. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

i like the way it looks.. cf hood, cf lip, cf spoon mirrors.. and cf eyelids FTW

That's completely ugly. I love how the "CF" eyelids aren't even in unison with the hood. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

Does a millionaire really have to have three or four homes, plus a yatch, an airplane, and 50 cars?

We don't have a yacht or 50 cars. Not all millionaires live like rappers or athletes. Later, QD.

[Dirty Octopus™]

i guess... i'm just not baller enough because i dont have carbon pieces :(

Carbon proves that your car is better and has more status when you spend all sorts of crazy cash to mod your vehicle :crazy:

[carbon_crash]

I have a car the the whole thing is carbon fiber and no I don't race it or even really drive it, but that is what I wanted and I can afford it so why not? Does a millionaire really have to have three or four homes, plus a yatch, an airplane, and 50 cars? No but that is what they wanted just like a carbon fiber integra is what I wanted...not really dogging your opinion but as I stated before opinions are like assholes evrybody has got one that does not mean we all want to see it.

well said!! Everyone mods their cars for what they want it to look like. Whether you change your wheels, get anything CF, get your car painted, get a body kit, etc., its your decision. Carbon FTW!!!

[carbongs]

Shoot, my screen name is CarbonGS! lol

[carbon_crash]

Shoot, my screen name is CarbonGS! lol



:stupid:

[quickdodge®]

:stupid:

How? Your name isn't carbonGS. Later, QD.

[Deke]

This same argument could be made for tucking wheels and extreme negative camber. People do carbon fiber for looks on a street car, not performance benefit. They may fool themselves into thinking that it has some great benefit, but it was still initially done because they like the way it looks.

All this thread proves is that some people like the way it looks and some don't.

[speedminded]

its personal styling, i like it and painting it is dumb, if you buy a carbon fiber hood and paint it, why not keep the original hood in the first place?lolol *sigh* If you're too much of a pu$$y to paint carbon fiber then it was bought for the wrong reason in the first place ;)

All cars lacking torque benefit greatly from lighter weight parts, particularly Honda/Acura's!

[speedminded]

yea i only like hoods lips and some engine dress up... when u start doing doors and fenders, and roofs and shyt like that, unless its on an s2000 roof... then y have it unless ur racing.... on a track.What the fuck is carbon fiber going to do for you under your hood?!


Duh. I know it was made for wieght reduction for racing, but Einstein, adding paint to the car also adds weight if you wanna be technical. For my for instance i have an s2000, my hood is about the same weight as a carbon fiber hood... so if i ever got one, i wouldnt paint it because i like the carbon look, and if i painted it i might as well keep my stock hood... thats what im saying.Because you have an aluminum hood, same as miata and Z32 300zx's....if you used a carbon fiber skin instead of the layered street version with the bulky supports underneath it would be considerably less weight than any stock aluminum hood.

[carbon_crash]

How? Your name isn't carbonGS. Later, QD.

cause my name conatins CARBON also. :goodjob:

[speedminded]

dry carbon? lolol theres no such thing. carbon is carbon. the expensive hood you saw is actually made of CF, the cheap one is fiberglass frame with 1-2 CF top layers.You've obviously never worked with or know anything about carbon fiber if you think there is no such thing as dry...

Quote from http://www.agemate.com.tw/carbon-in.htm

"Dry carbon fiber is made in a pre-preg and dry process which consists of vacuum forming sheet of carbon fiber into a mold at temperatures around 350¢K, this process allows carbon fiber to form into a strong and lightweight composite.

On the other hand, wet carbon fiber is formed by using hand laid carbon fiber sheets into a mold then mixed with resin (30% carbon fiber, 70%resin). This process may allow air pockets form inside, then makes the wet carbon fiber structure weak and also is susceptible to changes in temperature."

[speedminded]

A real carbon fiber hood is going to cost upwards of $5000. $10000 if its a huge hood like my car. (made by a quailty company IE: seibon) The wet laid bull**** with a glass frame makes me cry and or/laugh at ricers and wannabes that think $450 on ebay is going to buy them a product thats worth half of a ****. Buy a complete fiberglass hood that weighs the same for a lot less money. What a gimmick.A real ONE OFF made in 5 days carbon fiber hood can cost that much or more. A mold has to be created first, the carbon fiber laid and vacuumed bagged, test fit, etc. etc...the companies that make hundreds per year using the same mold and already have the marketing & distributors can produce and sell them for considerably less.

[speedminded]

As for daily driven cars, since when has a lighter vehicle not been a benefit???!!! Ever driven a car that felt a little sluggish after filling the tank up with fuel or added a passenger or two? The performance aspect isn't the main benefit as much as gas mileage...

The problem is the current cost of carbon fiber and the additional labor to create it is [probably] not less than the gas saving acquired...in the long run i'm sure it is though. Ford build a carbon fiber Crown Victoria/LTD back in the 80's that saved nearly a ton of weight but it cost $250k to manufacturer, lolol.

[87 Turbo II]

painted CF if you have the money is okay, but showing it off is just stupid. I do think carbon fiber has a nice look as interior trim in small doses though.

On a side note, there is a guy in GA named Mike who had a 450 hp FD that was titled the fastest FD in the South East (184 mp/h).........until he wrapped it around a tree. Now he is in the works for a complete carbon fiber car down to the unibody. He is getting a wide body complete FD made with all carbon body panels. The final car should weight close to 1,400 pounds. That, I would never paint. He is going to fit 365 mm tires in the rear and 285mm tires in the front with a single turbo 13B, racing grade everything (exhaust, suspension, tranny, clutch, etc.) Needless to say, that'll be a beast, he hopes to take the title of the fasted FD in the world.

[speedminded]

Carbon fiber interior pieces are a joke but this ENTIRE dash weighs 2lbs!! I want it for my car but it's $999! :eek:

http://competitionconcepts.com/images/Checca_dash_b.JPG

[SixSquared]

This thread = recockulous. You don't want cf on your car, good.. don't put it on. Want cf on your car, good.. put it on. Does it really matter? I mean seriously.

People get their damn panties in a twist so easily.

[Thighs]

painted CF if you have the money is okay, but showing it off is just stupid. I do think carbon fiber has a nice look as interior trim in small doses though.

On a side note, there is a guy in GA named Mike who had a 450 hp FD that was titled the fastest FD in the South East (184 mp/h).........until he wrapped it around a tree. Now he is in the works for a complete carbon fiber car down to the unibody. He is getting a wide body complete FD made with all carbon body panels. The final car should weight close to 1,400 pounds. That, I would never paint. He is going to fit 365 mm tires in the rear and 285mm tires in the front with a single turbo 13B, racing grade everything (exhaust, suspension, tranny, clutch, etc.) Needless to say, that'll be a beast, he hopes to take the title of the fasted FD in the world.

sounds like the car that won in its class at solo2 nationals a year or 2 ago...

[Thighs]

This thread = recockulous. You don't want cf on your car, good.. don't put it on. Want cf on your car, good.. put it on. Does it really matter? I mean seriously.

People get their damn panties in a twist so easily.

well if your logic holds true, then if you dont like this thread GTFO--------->

[SixSquared]

^ says the person with his pink lacy panties in the biggest twist knot evar. You're hardly in a position to tell me what to do, thanks.

[green91]

The main purpose was to have a lighter weight material that is very strong. If you are able to use CF to shave a few pounds off of body panels, these weight savings alongside other weight reductions do provide a benefit even on street cars. its that simple.

[01CDMLUDER]

i bought a cf hood b/c someone fcuked up my stock hood and i got a cf one for cheaper. i also think it looks good.

[Catnip]

Think about it, somehow people were fine back in the days before CF. However did they do it?


They also got by without running water, electricity, and cars... what's your point?


vtec too.:D


If you have carbon fiber hood, doors, fenders, trunklid/hatch, and bumpers then that's a LOT of weight depending on the car. Paint it if you want, paint adds weight. If you like the look, don't paint it... if you don't paint over it.

Who cares? We do what we do because we want either because it's for looks, speed, or both.