ef hatch, whats the best?

[TheGrillMan]

my next car will deff be an ef hatch prob a 91 not to positive yet,

i currently have a dd so i want to set the this car up like a track car, IE. 1 maybe 2 bucket seats, cage, gutted but still street leagal

im going to keep it as my play car mainly for mtn runs and any track day i can make


now my question to set up a car to match my needs what would be beter?

b18-all motor
b18-boosted
b18-type r (built)
b16-type r (built)

im kinda honda dumb so i dont really know all to much about the motors and there aspects

btw this will be a good project, im looking to dump maybe 5k into it maybe more depending on how far i wanna go with it or what else needs to be done


opnions?

[Papa_Smurf]

should have bought that red si hatch w/ a roll cage that emmino(sp) was selling...

[StraightSix]

Check the laws, but having a cage in a car is likely not street legal. Roll bar should be because the roll structure should be far enough from your head to not cause serious injuries in the event of a collision.

Another suggestion, unless you have enough driving experience to be solo'ed at a track day, you will need two seats.

If you're really serious about track days and what not, the first mods you should make are not going to be engine.

*The* best route to take is to make sure the car is in shape to get out on track and learn how drive the car first, then start with chassis and brake upgrades, then start adding power. You will learn more by learning how to drive a slow car than you will with the fast car.

[Papa_Smurf]

^ this is comming from a guy who has a stock motor and stock suspension, and is faster than almost everyone in the mountains who's got an engine swap...listen to the man, he's a good driver :goodjob:

[slow_hatch]

^^exactly^^ If I could do it all over again i'd get the suspenions/chassis/brakes first. Then just mod the D series. Turbo isn't probably the best choice for a track car, IMO.

[TheGrillMan]

Check the laws, but having a cage in a car is likely not street legal. Roll bar should be because the roll structure should be far enough from your head to not cause serious injuries in the event of a collision.

Another suggestion, unless you have enough driving experience to be solo'ed at a track day, you will need two seats.

If you're really serious about track days and what not, the first mods you should make are not going to be engine.

*The* best route to take is to make sure the car is in shape to get out on track and learn how drive the car first, then start with chassis and brake upgrades, then start adding power. You will learn more by learning how to drive a slow car than you will with the fast car.

grate, thats good advice IMO, my father told me the exact some thing heh

i guess thats what i shall do then, as far as keep stock when i buy the car should i completely leave as is? or can i strip before making use of it?

same thing with a roll bar,

keep im mind i will be driving this everynight in the mtns

[TheGrillMan]

repped everyone btw

[matthewAPM]

my next car will deff be an ef hatch prob a 91 not to positive yet,

i currently have a dd so i want to set the this car up like a track car, IE. 1 maybe 2 bucket seats, cage, gutted but still street leagal

im going to keep it as my play car mainly for mtn runs and any track day i can make


now my question to set up a car to match my needs what would be beter?

b18-all motor
b18-boosted
b18-type r (built)
b16-type r (built)

im kinda honda dumb so i dont really know all to much about the motors and there aspects

btw this will be a good project, im looking to dump maybe 5k into it maybe more depending on how far i wanna go with it or what else needs to be done


opnions?

lier

[StraightSix]

grate, thats good advice IMO, my father told me the exact some thing heh

i guess thats what i shall do then, as far as keep stock when i buy the car should i completely leave as is? or can i strip before making use of it?

same thing with a roll bar,

keep im mind i will be driving this everynight in the mtns

I would leave the engine and tranmsission stock for the time being. I'm not sure that I would gut the car either.

Here's what I would do, if I were in your shoes. I would find a decent 1989 Civic Si or CRX Si and leave it alone. Then, I would go through the car and replace anything that is worn out or broken. I would flush the brake fluid and replace with Motul 600 or an equivalent. Replace the brake pads with a good street/autocross compound, something like the Carbotech AX6.

Once that stuff is done, I'd start learning how to really drive. Leave the wheel size stock, and get some stickier tires and go stock class autocrossing and start doing HPDEs. HPDE is high performance driving education or track days. By stickier tires, I mean something along the lines of Falken Azenis RT-615s or Bridgestone Potenza RE-01 (I think thats the new Bridgestone).

Once you have a little experience, then you can start with the chassis, brakes, and suspension upgrades. At that point, you'll have a better understanding, hopefully, of the autocross rule book, as well as, knowledge of how the car will handle on track. Then you can start throwing the really good go-fast bits at the car.

My car is a couple of oe parts short of being a Si. The only mods worth really mentioning are the e-bay header and 15" wheels and tires. Suspension is bone stock, except for the Mugen rear trailing arm bushings.

The last time we all went to the mountains Jeff, or JFRO, had a hard time keeping up with me. He was in his boosted b swapped CRX, there's a thread in here about the car.

**The best car you will ever make is the driver mod**

[TheGrillMan]

I would leave the engine and tranmsission stock for the time being. I'm not sure that I would gut the car either.

Here's what I would do, if I were in your shoes. I would find a decent 1989 Civic Si or CRX Si and leave it alone. Then, I would go through the car and replace anything that is worn out or broken. I would flush the brake fluid and replace with Motul 600 or an equivalent. Replace the brake pads with a good street/autocross compound, something like the Carbotech AX6.

Once that stuff is done, I'd start learning how to really drive. Leave the wheel size stock, and get some stickier tires and go stock class autocrossing and start doing HPDEs. HPDE is high performance driving education or track days. By stickier tires, I mean something along the lines of Falken Azenis RT-615s or Bridgestone Potenza RE-01 (I think thats the new Bridgestone).

Once you have a little experience, then you can start with the chassis, brakes, and suspension upgrades. At that point, you'll have a better understanding, hopefully, of the autocross rule book, as well as, knowledge of how the car will handle on track. Then you can start throwing the really good go-fast bits at the car.

My car is a couple of oe parts short of being a Si. The only mods worth really mentioning are the e-bay header and 15" wheels and tires. Suspension is bone stock, except for the Mugen rear trailing arm bushings.

The last time we all went to the mountains Jeff, or JFRO, had a hard time keeping up with me. He was in his boosted b swapped CRX, there's a thread in here about the car.

**The best car you will ever make is the driver mod**

thanks for the info. that will be the route im taking

[EvasiveEF9]

buy mine.

/thread

[TheGrillMan]

buy mine.

/thread


pm me the info and some pics is possible

[TheGrillMan]

btw for what i want to set my car up for what kinda motors should i look at?

i know lern to drive it stock then do brakes and suspension ect..


but when it does come time for me to swap the motor or start spining some wrenches

na or boost?

im gonna guess and say na

also best motors to build for na?

[blaknoize]

Straight six is like that?!

[EvasiveEF9]

LoL, yes, Bryan (straightsix) is stock. He is an OUTSTANDING driver, hands down. I would be far love to go head-to-head with him to see who is the better. But I'll say up front if it he didn't beat me, I would be highly surprised. He would definitely at minimum give me a run for my money if we were at the same setup.

My setup is pretty well known. It's a 91 hatch, OBD1 LS 5spd cable swap, integra brake swap, skunk2 race coils, KYB AGX struts, 15" konig heliums, Proxes4 tires, urethane bushings all around, front upper control arm, CRx SiR front seats, CRx Si black dash...

I think that covers the basics.

[matthewAPM]

I would leave the engine and tranmsission stock for the time being. I'm not sure that I would gut the car either.


Here's what I would do, if I were in your shoes. I would find a decent 1989 Civic Si or CRX Si and leave it alone. Then, I would go through the car and replace anything that is worn out or broken. I would flush the brake fluid and replace with Motul 600 or an equivalent. Replace the brake pads with a good street/autocross compound, something like the Carbotech AX6.

Once that stuff is done, I'd start learning how to really drive. Leave the wheel size stock, and get some stickier tires and go stock class autocrossing and start doing HPDEs. HPDE is high performance driving education or track days. By stickier tires, I mean something along the lines of Falken Azenis RT-615s or Bridgestone Potenza RE-01 (I think thats the new Bridgestone).

Once you have a little experience, then you can start with the chassis, brakes, and suspension upgrades. At that point, you'll have a better understanding, hopefully, of the autocross rule book, as well as, knowledge of how the car will handle on track. Then you can start throwing the really good go-fast bits at the car.

My car is a couple of oe parts short of being a Si. The only mods worth really mentioning are the e-bay header and 15" wheels and tires. Suspension is bone stock, except for the Mugen rear trailing arm bushings.

The last time we all went to the mountains Jeff, or JFRO, had a hard time keeping up with me. He was in his boosted b swapped CRX, there's a thread in here about the car.

**The best car you will ever make is the driver mod**

There is no need to start swapping out parts. what you will learn from autocross is that its not about how much power you have, its how it handles and how u drive. keep that motor in there and learn ur car.

Brake pads are very important on these cars. they are known for having brake fad. I would use a hawk HP+ for street/autox and hawk blue for trackdays. Also, use ATE super blue fluid.

If you are interested in getting into motorsports, the SCCA is the way to go. The Atlanta region SCCA is a great organization and one of the largest in the nation. Check out www.soloatlanta.com (http://www.soloatlanta.com) for more information.

The tires he is talking about is a Bridgestone RE-01R. They are AMAZING tires. Faster than the falken and last longer. The new toyo just came out so I cant say to much about it yet but once we test I will let ya know. But I can tell you that the Bridgestone is the best street/autox tire EVER made. PERIOD

When you start doing suspension, talk to the STS guys...im one. There is a base setup that all the top national cars use and can be tuned EXACTLY to ur liking.

The last thing he said is the most important thing and I cant stress that enough. A car is only as fast as his driver. Become comforable with the car before you start doing stuff and learn ur driving style. The best money you will spend racing is on imporving urself. read the speed secret books. they are awesome

...Anytime you need some help or want to find some info out about autox, trackdays, driving, setup, or what ever just send me a PM and ill be more than happy to help.

[matthewAPM]

This is the full STS build on my car. I might have left some thing out but this is pretty much it.

Engine

·AEM Warm Air Intake
·DC Sports 4-2-1 Header
· Custom stainless 2.25” exhaust, Magnaflow 14” muffler, dumps by passenger rear wheel
·high flow cat
·Orthodox Underdrive Crank Pulley
·Tiny 10lb-ish battery
·No AC
·Redshift ECU with 7600RPM rev limit
·Front/Rear ES Mount Inserts

Suspension
· GC/Koni SPSS Race Valved/Shortened Shocks with Eibach springs (will PM you with spring rate)
· CRX HF Front sway bar with poly endlinks
·All Energy Suspension Black Poly bushings throughout whole car
·Ingalls rear camber arms
·Hawk HPS Front pads/ Hawk Blues for track
·ATE Superblue Fluid
·Progress Rear 24mm Infinitely adjustable sway bar. Not the three holes like the ST – it’s a slot. I’ve actually lengthened the slot to make the bar stiffer than what comes from Progress.
·GPO3 Red Glastic rear sway bar pillowblock mounts.
·15x7.5 Rota Slipstreams 40mm offset front wheels with Bridgestones RE-01R's
·15x7 Enkei RPF1 35mm offset rear wheels with Bridgestones RE-01R's

Interior
·Honda factory radio block off plate
·Corbeau Forza on stock sliders – meets 25lb rule but its damn close.
·Mount for DL1/DL90 just below emergency brake
·MOMO steering wheel.

[TheGrillMan]

lots of good advice here guys, ill be sure to follow it to the T

[StraightSix]

I'm going to also recommend that you look into NASA, primarily for HPDE. We also conduct amateur road racing events. NASA isn't as large as SCCA, and our autocross program is next to non-existent, but I think our HPDE program is very good.

Our track weekends feature in car instruction, as well as, classroom instruction. Check out http://www.nasaproracing.com for more info on NASA and http://www.nasa-southeast.com.

There are other HPDE programs out there, too, like Turn One Motorsports, who operate at Carolina Motorsports Park, and Seat Time, who operate at Roebling Raod Raceway in Savannah, GA.

I don't really want this to become a NASA vs. SCCA thread, but want to point out that there are plenty of options for getting track time.

[TheGrillMan]

wow grate info

ive gotten alot more here then most heh

[StraightSix]

We try to help each other 'round these parts. For the most part, the guys in the squad do what we can to pass along what we know to each other.

[TheGrillMan]

We try to help each other 'round these parts. For the most part, the guys in the squad do what we can to pass along what we know to each other.

thats awsome i actually have to think before i post a question somewhere else on this forum or just hangout in my flame suit


im looking to go as far as i possibly can in the racing world, not going to toot my own horn but ive been able to outrun quite a few people around here and cars alot faster then mine

and i know drigin on the street is nothing like driving on the track ect..

thats why i want to start getting some seat time so i can see if im cut out for this or not

if not at least i can still have fun

[matthewAPM]

I'm going to also recommend that you look into NASA, primarily for HPDE. We also conduct amateur road racing events. NASA isn't as large as SCCA, and our autocross program is next to non-existent, but I think our HPDE program is very good.

Our track weekends feature in car instruction, as well as, classroom instruction. Check out http://www.nasaproracing.com (http://www.nasaproracing.com/) for more info on NASA and http://www.nasa-southeast.com (http://www.nasa-southeast.com/).

There are other HPDE programs out there, too, like Turn One Motorsports, who operate at Carolina Motorsports Park, and Seat Time, who operate at Roebling Raod Raceway in Savannah, GA.

I don't really want this to become a NASA vs. SCCA thread, but want to point out that there are plenty of options for getting track time.

NASA FTL! naa im JK. Personally, NASA has the worst autocross program, but there HPDE program on the other had is probly the best. The SCCA is different, AMAZING autocross program, but there track events (trackdays, not road racing) is not the best. It is organized but very little track time compaired to NASA. Both organizations have there goods and bads and would recommend someone to try both.

thats awsome i actually have to think before i post a question somewhere else on this forum or just hangout in my flame suit


im looking to go as far as i possibly can in the racing world, not going to toot my own horn but ive been able to outrun quite a few people around here and cars alot faster then mine

and i know drigin on the street is nothing like driving on the track ect..

thats why i want to start getting some seat time so i can see if im cut out for this or not

if not at least i can still have fun

the first SCCA autocross is coming up. check it out at soloatlanta.com. Hope to see you out at the track sometime. would be great to talk to ya.

[TheGrillMan]

NASA FTL! naa im JK. Personally, NASA has the worst autocross program, but there HPDE program on the other had is probly the best. The SCCA is different, AMAZING autocross program, but there track events (trackdays, not road racing) is not the best. It is organized but very little track time compaired to NASA. Both organizations have there goods and bads and would recommend someone to try both.


the first SCCA autocross is coming up. check it out at soloatlanta.com. Hope to see you out at the track sometime. would be great to talk to ya.

duno if ill be making the first or not i still have to get some cash togerher so that i have something to drive, i dont wanna beat on my dd more thne i have to

now to find an ef for cheap

[EvasiveEF9]

I don't really want this to become a NASA vs. SCCA thread, but want to point out that there are plenty of options for getting track time.
They both suck! CSCC ALL THE WAY!

LoLoL.

Sorry...just wanted to raise my post count...

:ninja:

...ok, I'm gonna go.