Atheist

[Maniac1]

After not really getting too deep into Ran's atheist thread, I thought I'd make my own. Here's a sweet video of how the united states feels about atheist. And yes, I am one. Problem? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9067274864884092981&q=atheist&total=26737&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

And before people start posting "wrong section" I don't give a damn, so just save it.

[quickdodge®]

After not really getting too deep into Ran's atheist thread, I thought I'd make my own. Here's a sweet video of how the united states feels about atheist. And yes, I am one. Problem? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9067274864884092981&q=atheist&total=26737&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

And before people start posting "wrong section" I don't give a damn, so just save it.

Wrong section and repost. Later, QD.

[Sammich]

i have spikey hair..does that make me an atheist?

[Maniac1]

Wrong section and repost. Later, QD.Link to the first thread, or you're full of BS.

[Maniac1]

i have spikey hair..does that make me an atheist?And I would prefer people with higher than a two digit IQ to post in here. Thanks.

[Sammich]

suck on my shaved hair balls

[quickdodge®]

Link to the first thread, or you're full of BS.

I guess I'm BS free. Owned twice in a day, man. Man out of all the times that you've been owned (and it's been many), I've never seen you get popped twice in the same day:

Proof link to repost, thus setting me bullshiit free. (http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36479423&postcount=325)

This was in your God vs. Science thread. Remember when you posted this with your other name? Lolol. Later, QD.

[Sammich]

hell naw say it aint so captain...

[Maniac1]

I guess I'm BS free. Owned twice in a day, man. Man out of all the times that you've been owned (and it's been many), I've never seen you get popped twice in the same day:

Proof link to repost, thus setting me bullshiit free. (http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36479423&postcount=325)

This was in your God vs. Science thread. Remember when you posted this with your other name? Lolol. Later, QD.Lol I saw this coming the second I posted it. But yeah, I did. This is a repost made by me, so it doesn't count. And thanks for running around acting like mr. knows it all. Had to blow my cover!

[quickdodge®]

Lol I saw this coming the second I posted it. But yeah, I did. This is a repost made by me, so it doesn't count. And thanks for running around acting like mr. knows it all. Had to blow my cover!

Lolol. I wasn't "acting" like mr. knows it all. I actually AM him. And a repost is a repost is a repost. And it's considered worse when you repost yourself. Lolol. Later, QD.

[Maniac1]

Lolol. I wasn't "acting" like mr. knows it all. I actually AM him. And a repost is a repost is a repost. And it's considered worse when you repost yourself. Lolol. Later, QD.Ok, QD. Move on already! Lol

[The12lber]

Lolol. I wasn't "acting" like mr. knows it all. I actually AM him. And a repost is a repost is a repost. And it's considered worse when you repost yourself. Lolol. Later, QD.

You're stupid and self aggrandizing.

I posted

"Machine gun(nery) is a sport and part of his southern culture and upbringing.

You're all putting the machine gun ahead of a person.

He's being made an example of because he's famous.

Some white dude bought like 20 machine guns and an atomic bomb in South Carolina and only got a slap on the wrist.

He's getting railroaded because he's black.

Obligatory outrageous excuse here."

In a thread about TI and you didn't pick it out as sarcasm, you instead grilled me for being an apologist. I'm aware that text inherently doesn't express sarcasm as well as speach, that's why I went out of my way to make it so obvious even the Down's Kids wouldn't miss it. You still managed to, however, kudos.

And no, don't even attempt to turn this around and say "ITS ALL AN ACT, I'M NOT REALLY THINK I'M A KNOW IT ALL DBAG LOLOL" - I'm sure that's half true and you just do it because you like to come to the internet and be an asshat (because you're too afraid to do it irl), but that still leaves the other half as an imbelicic idiot.

[quickdodge®]

And no, don't even attempt to turn this around and say "ITS ALL AN ACT, I'M NOT REALLY THINK I'M A KNOW IT ALL" -

Why would I turn it around? I do know it all. I don't give a fucc about how I chastised you in a TI thread. I put chumps like you back in their place daily and I don't mind doing it. Who fuccing cares what you think? When your wit or intellect comes to within 100 points of mine, then maybe we can carry on. Until then, I'll let your posts do my work. Later, QD.

[TheChosenOne]

I just watched the video for the first time, and this is what I have to say:

THANKYOU! :goodjob:

As a young, black man, growing up in the south, I can't count on my hands and fingers the number of times I have been made to feel like and outcast when people gain knowledge of my Atheism.

My moral code or balance between right and wrong is no less sturdy now, as ir was when I was a "christian". I used to feel taboo when people know of my religious view (or lack there of). But now, realizing that there are so many more of us contributing to the United States and the world, I am much more comfortable.

All I want is to be happy. If atheism and searching for the truth will lead to my happiness, then so be it. I'm ready for the journey!:yes:

+1 Maniac

[autumnk5]

well i'm agnostic, and atheism is a form of it, i believe? right?

i just know when i was younger and listening to the christian view points, even as a ten year old, i felt that something wasn't right about it. when i was eleven, i had a friend tell me if i wasn't babtized (sp?) then i wasn't a true christian. and i said, "what if i don't want to be a christian?" then she try to say i worshipped satan.

i don't think you should follow every one else. i mean for all we know the bible could have been written by some old homeless man off his rocker. who knows? you sure as hell don't because you weren't there. you know? i believe all in the seeing is believing. and i sure don't see god.

around thirteen years old, i started looking into other relgions. religion is just something to hide behind when something is not going right in your life.

i dont know, i'm done ranting...

[The12lber]

Why would I turn it around? I do know it all. I don't give a fucc about how I chastised you in a TI thread. I put chumps like you back in their place daily and I don't mind doing it. Who fuccing cares what you think?

Apparently you, you replied after all. Wru logic?
When your wit or intellect comes to within 100 points of mine, then maybe we can carry on. Until then, I'll let your posts do my work. Later, QD.
By putting chumps in their place daily, you mean scolding people because you couldn't recognize a widely employed (and highly obvious) literary device and generally being a supersized buffoon. You are an idiot.

I hate to focus on this, but it really crystalizes the level of your analytical ability. Or maybe you are just autistic so you're no good with anything outside the realm of the literal?

[phd1ck]

it's ok guys. quickdodge is just an ass. that's what he does.

[Maniac1]

and i said, "what if i don't want to be a christian?" then she try to say i worshipped satan.Believe it or not, I know someone who has been told he was a devil by a pastor before. Him and I have the exact views on this subject. I find it hilarious when people come up with the conclusion that you're antichrist just because you choose not to believe in christ or god.

This is kinda off topic, but in my blog I have a lot of satanic posts. And every now and then I get -repped because of some of the things I say. LOL I mean, alot of people are afriad to come out and tell you, but to them. The best way to solve the problem is to say you're into satanism.


i don't think you should follow every one else. i mean for all we know the bible could have been written by some old homeless man off his rocker. who knows? you sure as hell don't because you weren't there. you know? i believe all in the seeing is believing. and i sure don't see god.This is true. But when you take into consideration that the "holy" church does change the minds of the wicked it kinda gets you thinking, is it the words that are changing them, or is it the fact that it makes them feel good at that moment of time? Thus causing them to stay out of trouble, gangs, drugs, ect.

[Maniac1]

I just watched the video for the first time, and this is what I have to say:

THANKYOU! :goodjob:

As a young, black man, growing up in the south, I can't count on my hands and fingers the number of times I have been made to feel like and outcast when people gain knowledge of my Atheism.

My moral code or balance between right and wrong is no less sturdy now, as ir was when I was a "christian". I used to feel taboo when people know of my religious view (or lack there of). But now, realizing that there are so many more of us contributing to the United States and the world, I am much more comfortable.

All I want is to be happy. If atheism and searching for the truth will lead to my happiness, then so be it. I'm ready for the journey!:yes:

+1 ManiacIm hispanic, so I totally understand what you're trying to say. I've been like this ever since I started going to church as a child. Which was when I was around 10 or so. I never understood what was taught, because as a child I was always into science and the laws behind it. For a while I stayed away from religion, but it's been about 3 years since I've been trying to figure out why so many people choose to believe in fiction tales told in the bible.

[Magnus213]

I'm not sure when I made up my mind exactly, but I'm an atheist and I have been as long as I can remember. I simply cannot bring myself to believe in something completely unproven and physically impossible. Some people think it takes more strength to have faith in something of which we have no evidence, but I think that it's used as a security blanket for people who can't handle life. Not always, but often.

To me, religion was supposed to be a set of ground rules for being a 'good' person as most people define it, and to do the right thing. No one was supposed to take it so seriously, but somewhere along the way it got out of hand.

I believe that one of the primary purposes of religion is to dissolve the fear of death- why wouldn't someone want to believe that they have everlasting glory after they serve their sentence as mortal bodies? When people die around me, it makes me pretty damn sad because I know that they're finished. People talk about how they're in a better place, but in my heart I know it's not true. They'll be buried. I went to a young friend's funeral and cried more than his own mother did. It disturbs me that people feel this way. I'm sorry that my beliefs are morbid, but it's this "only today is guaranteed" thing that leads me to work as hard as I can to enjoy it.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this, someone else can respond.

[SE-Rious1]

After not really getting too deep into Ran's atheist thread, I thought I'd make my own. Here's a sweet video of how the united states feels about atheist. And yes, I am one. Problem? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9067274864884092981&q=atheist&total=26737&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

And before people start posting "wrong section" I don't give a damn, so just save it.
Just go to hell already alex:goodjob:
lol

[Maniac1]

Just go to hell already alex:goodjob:
lolRead my sig. :)

[TheChosenOne]

I'm not sure when I made up my mind exactly, but I'm an atheist and I have been as long as I can remember. I simply cannot bring myself to believe in something completely unproven and physically impossible. Some people think it takes more strength to have faith in something of which we have no evidence, but I think that it's used as a security blanket for people who can't handle life. Not always, but often.

To me, religion was supposed to be a set of ground rules for being a 'good' person as most people define it, and to do the right thing. No one was supposed to take it so seriously, but somewhere along the way it got out of hand.

I believe that one of the primary purposes of religion is to dissolve the fear of death- why wouldn't someone want to believe that they have everlasting glory after they serve their sentence as mortal bodies? When people die around me, it makes me pretty damn sad because I know that they're finished. People talk about how they're in a better place, but in my heart I know it's not true. They'll be buried. I went to a young friend's funeral and cried more than his own mother did. It disturbs me that people feel this way. I'm sorry that my beliefs are morbid, but it's this "only today is guaranteed" thing that leads me to work as hard as I can to enjoy it.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this, someone else can respond.
Your on the right path about the reason ofr religion. The sad part is, somewhere along the line a parallel agenda was established; TO MAKE MONEY AND ESTABLISH POWER!

I'm really not concerned with disproving religion as of now because people like to live in a pool of ignorance because its comfortable and firmiliar. Right now, I am on a search for the truth, whatever it may be.

And to touch on a topic that Maniac brushed over:
I remember a few months ago, I was over my girlfriends house, and she told her mom that I was atheist...:no: ... It was like she was bipolar. We went from joking around and having a good time, to her telling me that I was a "deamon" and the "antichrist". She said that because my screename & tag say "TheChosenOne" that I am a self-proclaimed anti-christ!

It hurt at first, but this only strenghtens my reasoning for not wanting to be associated with people who share the same beliefs as her...:rolleyes:

[SE-Rious1]

Read my sig. :)
lol but its so damn hott there and i hate being sweaty :D
but you of all should know that hell is hott .....Mexico:ninja:

[Maniac1]

It hurt at first, but this only strenghtens my reasoning for not wanting to be associated with people who share the same beliefs as her...:rolleyes:Believe it or not, my mom calls me a devil. I always laugh, because I know im not, but her religion says that those that don't believe in the holy father and that are against him are devils. LOL its pathetic! After being called one so many times, I now see it as a complement! Best way to look at it IMO.

[TheChosenOne]

Believe it or not, my mom calls me a devil. I always laugh, because I know im not, but her religion says that those that don't believe in the holy father and that are against him are devils. LOL its pathetic! After being called one so many times, I now see it as a complement! Best way to look at it IMO.
Lol... I completely understand. Things I have to deal with on a daily basis, some people don't even think about. It's sad to say, but it's so much easier to be a christian in the south, than to be anything else.

Little things like the pledge. I remember in my senior year I stopped standing for the pledge because of the "One nation under god...". One of my teachers had the fuccking nerve to say that I was less of a man because I wouldn't have the sense to stand like everyone else.

[Humphrizzle]

the bible is a book of metaphors. Dont steal, dont lie, dont kill... thats the main deal of every book in the bible.

i'm agnostic.

[Humphrizzle]

i never stood for the pledge since 9th grade.

[Maniac1]

Check this out! LMK what yall think.

ps; im not satanic so don't even ask LOLOL!

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth


1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

[quickdodge®]

By putting chumps in their place daily, you mean scolding people because you couldn't recognize a widely employed (and highly obvious) literary device and generally being a supersized buffoon. You are an idiot.

I hate to focus on this, but it really crystalizes the level of your analytical ability. Or maybe you are just autistic so you're no good with anything outside the realm of the literal?

So, by picking up a thesaurus, you think you're able to match me word for word in a literary debate? Yeah, I guess you can. Only I don't need a reference book to outline my responses. Funny how since you've decided to take it upon yourself to attack me, unprovoked, that you should question my intelligence. Yeah, I'm an idiot, because I know how to type larger sized words in complete and coherent sentences with correct grammar skills in place. And I can understand fully what each word, phrase and sentence means. Funnier even still is that your only line of attack is to call me an idiot when how many people will back you up and agree with you? Only the ones that don't like me because (I guess like you) I put them in their rightful positions.

Indulge me, please. Are you one of the many morons that I have words with in the past? Or did your sack drop last weekend and this is your proverbial "right of passage to manhood" in your native country? I truly don't know why you've chosen me to (un)match wits with. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

it's ok guys. quickdodge is just an ass. that's what he does.

See what I mean 12lbs? Just another of my bitches talking like she knows how. Later, QD.

[Vayda]

QD: I constantly appreciate your use of proper grammar, or at least enough use thereof that you don't sound like a total asstard (like the people that can't be bothered with the extra two letters in "you").

On topic: I have a hard time with Atheism. I think we're lacking a really good definition here. If it is simply people who do not believe in God, it needs some explanation. Does that refer to the Judeo-Christian God? Does it refer to all gods, including the Greco-Roman, Egyptian, Norse, or Celtic pantheons? Do your atheistic beliefs include every single possibility of God that has ever been conceived, including Shiva, Vishnu, or the concept of Nirvana?

If it does, then I would like to know how you gleaned that knowledge. This goes out to all the atheists here; I'm serious. How do you know for sure that there is NOTHING out there? Isn't claiming you KNOW that there is a LACK of something to claim that you know EVERYTHING that is? For example, if I said i had a poster of Elvis Presley on my bedroom wall, could you verify that I, in fact, do NOT, until you come to my apartment, observe each wall, and realize that not a single square inch of wall contains such a poster? Of course not. So what gives you such a knowledge of the universe to say there is NO god?

I'm not saying I believe in the Christian idea of God. Nor do the general Christian values sit well with me. However, I think it's quite a mighty claim to say you KNOW for SURE that something DOES NOT exist, when it has the entire infinite universe in which to reside.

[quickdodge®]

QD: I constantly appreciate your use of proper grammar, or at least enough use thereof that you don't sound like a total asstard (like the people that can't be bothered with the extra two letters in "you").

Well thank you. I believe in using the education that I received so that I don't look like a dumbass.

Now, I'd just assume this thread get back on topic. Someone got involved in an inside joke between Maniac for no reason and this just needs to get back to the Atheist subject. Any further correspondence can be done in the WL as I will not reply to any more crap in here. Later, QD.

[Maniac1]

QD: I constantly appreciate your use of proper grammar, or at least enough use thereof that you don't sound like a total asstard (like the people that can't be bothered with the extra two letters in "you"). Wanna suck his balls now? Lol


I'm not saying I believe in the Christian idea of God. Nor do the general Christian values sit well with me. However, I think it's quite a mighty claim to say you KNOW for SURE that something DOES NOT exist, when it has the entire infinite universe in which to reside.Being an atheist is not saying there is NO god or higher power. Atheists disbelieve and denies the existence of God or gods. We choose NOT to believe in one because there hasn't been any actual evidence to prove the theory of the holy father ever existing.

[Vayda]

That's exactly what i was asking for. Atheism bothers me when it is a TOTAL denial of a God/multiple gods. That's different then saying "well, something MAY be out there, but until I have proof, I'm not believing."

Of course, in that case, how would you define an agnostic?


And i don't want to suck on anything of QD's, nor of yours, but I also appreciate your attention to grammar.

[Maniac1]

That's exactly what i was asking for. Atheism bothers me when it is a TOTAL denial of a God/multiple gods. That's different then saying "well, something MAY be out there, but until I have proof, I'm not believing."You are mistaken, dude.

I know you will be harder to beat than others. But here, let me try! :D

Having a belief in there not being a god is different than know there is a higher power but denying it's existence. Take this for example, you see big foot. You didn't get a good look at it, but it didn't look like your average looking bear.

You then have a belief in it existing, but you want to be sure so you wait for proof to arrive before you make your decision. This would be someone in denial. Atheist would just deny the existence and move on.


Of course, in that case, how would you define an agnostic?You wouldn't, it'll stay the same. Seeing as they choose to have the benefit of the doubt and hold on to that belief.


And i don't want to suck on anything of QD's, nor of yours, but I also appreciate your attention to grammar.Who said anything about mine? LOL something you want to share with the rest of the members? Maybe alittle fantasy you have marinating inside that brain of yours? :)

[quickdodge®]

Who said anything about mine? LOL something you want to share with the rest of the members? Maybe alittle fantasy you have marinating inside that brain of yours? :)

Vayda is a female. Dude. Lolol. Later, QD.

[Maniac1]

Vayda is a female. Dude. Lolol. Later, QD.Trust me, I already know. ;) I call everyone "dude" even girls. Weird I know LOL.

[quickdodge®]

Ahhh, gotcha. Later, QD.

[Vayda]

I'm still not sure I understand. You're saying an Atheist would see sasquatch, and say "Nope, sasquatch doesn't exist" whereas an agnostic would see the same thing and say "Well, that was probably sasquatch, but i'm gonna get some other opinions before I go ahead and tell other people"


Is that basically right? Is atheism really just a basic denial of your senses? Or is it more like having a friend tell you "DUDE! I ****IN SAW BIGFOOT" and you saying "Nah, he don't exist mang."?

The only reason I harp on this is because we can't argue about the validity of a belief if we don't know what the belief system entails.


And yes, I have fantasies about grammatically correct men. "Oh baby, you and I are going to have such a good time! You know not for what you are in store! I have every intention of making you believe no one has ever had a better time in his or her life!"

Yea that's hot.

[David88vert]

From reference.com:

An atheist is one who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings.

An agnostic is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine.

No one can prove or disprove God's existence. Either you believe or you don't. For both believers and non-believers, you have to have faith in your own beliefs. An atheist has to believe there is no God, while an agnostic just says that they don't know enough to make a decision and thus are not required to believe either way.

[Vayda]

Right-o, I suppose my question is more whether or not an atheist denies the existence of ALL divine beings, or just the typical ones.

[David88vert]

Right-o, I suppose my question is more whether or not an atheist denies the existence of ALL divine beings, or just the typical ones.

By definition, it would be all. Otherwise, they would be a skeptic.

[bu villain]

Agnostic = No way to know know if there is a god or not
Atheism = There is no god

What pushed me from Agnosticism to Atheism was a simple thought experiment. I asked myself "Do I believe in [fairies, minotaurs, etc.)]?". The answer was no. Surely I can't know for a fact that they do not exist (agnosticism) but having seen 0 evidence means that I place the probability of it existing so low that for all intents in purposes I do not believe they exist (atheism).

[Vayda]

So you're claiming you know everything, then?

Man, you're such a know-it-all. :P

Or you're naieve and ignorant. You say that you've never seen something, so the probability of it existing is negligible. You've never seen my roommate, or my fiance, or my parents. So obviously they don't exist either, do they? You've probably never seen any evidence of them, except maybe my parents. But you've never seen any evidence that I have a 32" television in front of me. Does that mean I don't have one?

It's pretty impressive, for someone to know EVERYTHING, to the point where they can safely say that they know for sure that in all the universe something is nonexistant.


I don't think most self-proclaimed atheists are really atheists. I think they just don't believe in the Christian god, and extend that to all higher powers. Do you believe in Karma, Nirvana, or hell, Luck? Because ALL of those are higher powers.

[mad3nch1na]

Do you believe in Civil Religion?

[Vayda]

From Wiki:


In his book, Rousseau outlines the simple dogmas of the civil religion:

1. life to come,
2. the reward of virtue and the punishment of vice, and
3. the exclusion of religious intolerance.


So do i believe in the principles he's outlined? I suppose so, if this is the extent of it. This is another thing we need to define...

I know i'm annoying, asking for definitions, and what it means, but the problem is that we can't argue about anything until we're all arguing about the same thing. I can sit here and say "the sky is violet" where my definition of violet is the same as your definition of blue. But until we each know how the other defines their position, we're going to go in circles.

[Maniac1]

So you're claiming you know everything, then?

Man, you're such a know-it-all. :P

Or you're naieve and ignorant. You say that you've never seen something, so the probability of it existing is negligible. You've never seen my roommate, or my fiance, or my parents. So obviously they don't exist either, do they? You've probably never seen any evidence of them, except maybe my parents. But you've never seen any evidence that I have a 32" television in front of me. Does that mean I don't have one?

It's pretty impressive, for someone to know EVERYTHING, to the point where they can safely say that they know for sure that in all the universe something is nonexistant.


I don't think most self-proclaimed atheists are really atheists. I think they just don't believe in the Christian god, and extend that to all higher powers. Do you believe in Karma, Nirvana, or hell, Luck? Because ALL of those are higher powers.OK, enough of this smartass attitude. ;)

He wasn't claiming to know everything, none of us are. We're just saying that there hasn't been any evidence of a higher power ever existing, so therefore we base our beliefs into that! No god has ever been; seen, heard, felt, ect. thus there is no god.

You bringing up examples like your family doesn't prove a point. We all know human beings exist. So we won't argue that they don't exist, if you would have used something like the tooth fairy then maybe it would have been a good example, but you didn't. You're right about the atheists not really being atheists, because im sure alot of them do believe in luck, karma, and whatever else there is that falls into the same catagory.

If someone believes in hell than they have to believe in heaven, because there can't exist one without the other. Where there is evil there is good. So I don't know about the rest, but I disbelieve in jesus christ and everything that is in the bible is crap. But when you look at it and put alot of thought into it, there always has to be something greater than you out there.

I don't know why, but I do.

Don't know what it is or could be... thats how I see it.

Now im sure in the future we'll find the answers to these questions and come up with a new conclusion then. But til then we're left with what we know and believe in now. Which is really all we got, instead of looking for guidence from our past and seeking into the future by making prediction we should focus in the "now."

I've been wasting too many brain cells over this topic for a good week now, and im drained. LOL people are welcomed to post, but im staying out of it for the time being. Hopefully I still see some educated people posting in here. XD

[David88vert]

No god has ever been; seen, heard, felt, ect. thus there is no god.

... if you would have used something like the tooth fairy then maybe it would have been a good example...

Ok, let's take the tooth fairy. Since you haven't seen the tooth fairy, it must not exist, correct? Suppose you lose a tooth, put it under your pillow one night, and wake up the next morning to find a quarter in it's place? Do you believe:

A) The natural order of the universe is to replace teeth with quarters.
B) Pillows have a magical power to convert teeth to quarters
C) Some external force was messing with you and you want your damn tooth back because a quarter isn't worth anything anymore!

If you cannot detect something physically, does that mean it is not real? What about the concepts of love and hate? What about all concepts? You cannot physcially measure love, does that mean that it does not exist? Especially since "God is love" in the Bible - does that mean that you really don't want to believe in love? Also, what about hate, faith, hope, justice, etc? Do they exist? What makes them real to you?

[Blitanicle99]

I started reading your thread in order to understand whats going on. Then I got ADD as **** and said screw it.
Im not very religious... I have alot of friends that are and thats their choice. Everyone has the right to their own opinion and some people dont believe anything untill they see it.
But in a sense, I had that whole thread about haunted **** and all that. I completely believe in ghosts/demons and have had plenty of experiances. And with that, I could not understand how that could be possible and some sort of "god" or "higher being" was not possible. When you posted the Zietheist (spelling?) movie I watched it a few times. It was pretty cool not gonna lie. But the one point I did like that it emphasized that with good, there is always bad and vise versa. So with all my experiances ghost hunting or whatever you wish to call it, I absolutely believe in a god or higher power. I am not into religion that much, nothing has really touched/caught my attention/called to me that I have seen so far.

I seriously want to make friends with some native americans, and ask them about it. I mean, chillin around a fire, smoking a "peace pipe" might cause you to see some crazy ****. You never know untill you try lol

[Vayda]

If you believe in ANY higher power, then BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION, you are not an atheist.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

And if Heaven and Hell have to exist in tandem, you should go talk to some Jewish people, because they only believe in one.


More or less my point is that unless you claim to know everything, you can't say there's DEFINITELY no god. Now, if you wanna say you don't believe in Christianity, Jesus, and whathaveyou, that's a different story. And we can argue about that all day long, with much better results.

And aside from that, just because YOU haven't seen, heard, or experienced any physical evidence of a god doesn't mean other people haven't. Consider the tooth fairy, if you want to use that example. We all know that's not true, and yet you HAVE experienced evidence that it is. So why is the reverse not true? It seems like a leap of logic to say that because you haven't seen any evidence of something that in the whole wide universe it doesn't exist.


I'm getting bored with reading the same arguments over and over. Can we start a thread about whether or not Heaven exists? Because I'd like to hear some thoughts on that....what it is, what it takes to get there, if it exists at all, you know.

[Revmaynard]

I'm an atheist who was raised Baptist for thirteen years. I feel as much of a presence of a ''god'' as hurricane Katrina survivors did of the gov't.

When you've never been given any substantial proof of something it's easy to have no faith in it. I really can't believe people who believe in karma and luck, wtf, is that supposed to be magic? You didn't win the lottery because you have good luck, you ****ing had good odds.

[Vayda]

^^ That's an atheist.

No karma, no luck, no god.

*applause* reps to you. Not that i'm worth much.

[Revmaynard]

^^ That's an atheist.

No karma, no luck, no god.

*applause* reps to you. Not that i'm worth much.

That made me LIRL. Thanks I guess.:goodjob:

[Maniac1]

I'm getting bored with reading the same arguments over and over. Can we start a thread about whether or not Heaven exists? Because I'd like to hear some thoughts on that....what it is, what it takes to get there, if it exists at all, you know.Why don't you start it? :D I'd post my opinion...

[Vayda]

I might. Maniac, did you see my thread in the whoreslounge about Lambuel? There's an awesome picture of you in it.

[bu villain]

So you're claiming you know everything, then?

Man, you're such a know-it-all. :P

Or you're naieve and ignorant. You say that you've never seen something, so the probability of it existing is negligible. You've never seen my roommate, or my fiance, or my parents. So obviously they don't exist either, do they? You've probably never seen any evidence of them, except maybe my parents. But you've never seen any evidence that I have a 32" television in front of me. Does that mean I don't have one?


Not making that claim at all. What I am saying is that I do not believe in something for which I have no evidence for. If you say you have a TV in front of you, I will likely believe you because I have seen a TV before, know they are common, and see no reason for you to lie (though I would accept that I could not know for sure). If you continued and said it was 1000 inches, spherical, and pink then I would not beleive you. It is the specific features people attribute to God (omniscient, omnipotent, self-concious, etc.)which make it unbelievable to atheists. If you are saying you believe something or not, those kind of details are important.



It's pretty impressive, for someone to know EVERYTHING, to the point where they can safely say that they know for sure that in all the universe something is nonexistant.


I don't think most self-proclaimed atheists are really atheists. I think they just don't believe in the Christian god, and extend that to all higher powers. Do you believe in Karma, Nirvana, or hell, Luck? Because ALL of those are higher powers.

I think you are absolutely right that no Atheist can believe in Hell, but they can believe in luck and karma. Of course, as I was saying before it depends on your definition. I would say luck is just beating the odds, it is not something people are endowed with, it is just a way of describing odds and outcomes. Karma is just recognition that actions have consequences even if they are not immediately apparent.

[bu villain]

Ok, let's take the tooth fairy. Since you haven't seen the tooth fairy, it must not exist, correct? Suppose you lose a tooth, put it under your pillow one night, and wake up the next morning to find a quarter in it's place? Do you believe:

A) The natural order of the universe is to replace teeth with quarters.
B) Pillows have a magical power to convert teeth to quarters
C) Some external force was messing with you and you want your damn tooth back because a quarter isn't worth anything anymore!

If you cannot detect something physically, does that mean it is not real? What about the concepts of love and hate? What about all concepts? You cannot physcially measure love, does that mean that it does not exist? Especially since "God is love" in the Bible - does that mean that you really don't want to believe in love? Also, what about hate, faith, hope, justice, etc? Do they exist? What makes them real to you?

On the tooth fairy example, my answer would be C. Some external force most likely did it. But it seems much more likely that the external force was your parents rather than a magical fairy. Further investigation would be needed to be truly confident (say set up a video camera) but without that evidence it is more logical to believe it was your parents.

Not being able to physically detect something does not necessarily mean it isn't real. Hate, faith, justice, etc are only "real" because they are the words we use for feelings. If you define God as a feeling you have then God would be real in the same sense. However, the common meaning of God is not described this way.

[David88vert]

Hate, faith, justice, etc are only "real" because they are the words we use for feelings. If you define God as a feeling you have then God would be real in the same sense. However, the common meaning of God is not described this way.

Real is either 0 or 1. There is no "real" (quasi-real). It is either detectable in this universe and is finite, or it is not. Now you want to say that non-measureable, infinite items are "real", but a god is not? Interesting....

[bu villain]

Real is either 0 or 1. There is no "real" (quasi-real). It is either detectable in this universe and is finite, or it is not. Now you want to say that non-measureable, infinite items are "real", but a god is not? Interesting....

I guess I wasn't clear then. Hate, love, etc. are NOT REAL, they are abstract concepts used to describe REAL brain functioning (feelings).

[Magnus213]

I watched "Jesus Camp" yesterday. Holy hell. I realize that it's pretty much the worst of Christianity short of Westboro Baptist, but it was scary.

[David88vert]

I guess I wasn't clear then. Hate, love, etc. are NOT REAL, they are abstract concepts used to describe REAL brain functioning (feelings).

So you have no hate or love? Interesting....

[Maniac1]

So you have no hate or love? Interesting....Like he said, those are feelings. Love and hate have two different definitions but they're both really just the same. Both are feelings created by our brain. Just like when you're cold or hot, our body is affected by the temperature around us, thus acting in strange ways. They're all just brain functions.

[{X}Echo419]

I'm not an atheist and I don't care if anyone is. so there. :D

[Turbo04]

I'm not an atheist and I don't care if anyone is. so there. :D


Exactly. Although I would view it as a rather bleak existance to have the outlook that nothing is beyond this physical world. You die thats it, nothing else. Kinda puts a damper on life in general...I mean how would you stay motivated to know that when you die everything you've worked for and done with your life is for nothing? I'm not sure I could NOT believe in something else past this life...be it heaven/hell/ coming back as some type of animal etc.....

but everyone should be allowed to believe or not believe what they choose.

[David88vert]

Like he said, those are feelings. Love and hate have two different definitions but they're both really just the same. Both are feelings created by our brain. Just like when you're cold or hot, our body is affected by the temperature around us, thus acting in strange ways. They're all just brain functions.
So knowledge and friendship don't exist either, correct? So you can't be described as anyone's friend, and you can't be labelled as smart either (eince there is no such thing as knowledge to you).
And what tells the brain if it is love or hate? The difference has to be defined, as the brian can only detect neurosignals, and then interprets them based on its definitions. What is defining these responses? Does it exist physically? Can you measure it, or show me the location of the definitions?
And if you went through long-term sensory deprivation, would that lower your capability to love or hate? Could you measure that?

[Vayda]

What is "real"? How do you define "real"? If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

And while we're at it...

Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

[autumnk5]

i remember one day in class we were discussing skepticism. and it was getting pretty deep. it's like what y'all are talking about with love, hate, friendship, and knowledge.

my fingers are touching the keys right now? or are they? how do i know they aren't just pressing the air around the keys making the key press in? how do i know i'm not touching other particles that are on top of the key, which would make it press in?

pretty deep stuff. and that's like the question of god. many people say they dream of god. how do they know it's god? for all they know it's just a man saying he's god. i can say i'm god. but does that mean i'm god? no. it just shows how skeptic you are about things.

and the spoon bending? how do you know the spoon is bent? how do you know it's not just your mind playing tricks on you?

i'm very skeptic about things i guess. if you read about it, it gets pretty deep and philosophical.