SHOP WARS

[Vteckidd]

In light of all the TS vs Batlground shit, people know my history with MM, Knowledge Performance isnt really on the board much anymore, i had an idea.


DYNO DAY, ALL SHOPS INVITED.
Must have a VALID TAX ID and STORE FRONT.
Neutral Location that all shops agree on.
Shops get a Street car and Race car to enter
OR
1 Cars per class
Street Classes
4 cylinder class NA
4 Cylinder Class Power Adder
6 Cylinder Class NA
6 Cylinder Class Power Adder
8 Cylinder NA
8 Cylinder Power Adder

PRO CLASS (race cars IE MM vs BAtlground vs AAP etc) run what you brung, any cylinder, any poweradders

HAS TO BE A SHOP CAR or a CAR THE SHOP BUILT. NO RINGERS. Street classes MUST RUN PUMP GAS. PRO CLASS can run anything. this keeps Peter and BEE honest unless Peter runs race gas for the PRO class :cool:

anyone interested?

So far i can count:
MainStream Performance
BatlGround (spoke to trace already)
Mahdavi Motorsports (im sure jaime can get them to enter)
AAP (never takled to them)
Knowledge Performance (im sure melvin could be interested)
Topspeed (never tlaked to them)
TURBODAVE ( ill talk to him)
Import Source Performance (i know they would enter)
H+M Motorsports (never talked to them)

anyone think of any other shops? any changes to the rules? lets keep this civil, no shop attacking or prediciting who will enter or not etc

[Spyder]

the shops will flake unfortunatly :( oh and a Dyno day isnt very exciting, who's dyno would you use anyhow? also importantly.. will these be "shop" cars or customers cars that a shop uses?

[Spyder]

funny how I see shops come/lurk/leave.

[Vteckidd]

the shops will flake unfortunatly :( oh and a Dyno day isnt very exciting, who's dyno would you use anyhow? also importantly.. will these be "shop" cars or customers cars that a shop uses?
We will have to choose a NEUTRAL location or a place we all deem is worthy.

It would have to be a 4wd dyno cause im sure Batlgrounds EVO and im sure topspeed has a few 4wd cars.

we could charge an entry fee and go to DynoFormance , im sure they would lvoe to have the publicity.


It wold have to be a SHOP car or a car the SHOP worked on. and it would be based on the shops word. So dont lie and bring some car from indiana down ehre an claim you built the motor.

why wouldnt it be exciting? i would say a track day, but i think the public would have more fun on a dyno day, afterall TF is a track day.

[HyPer50]

Bah, I was hoping this was gonna be a new version of Pimp Wars.

[B16a2 Civic]

why not take it to commerce?

[Vteckidd]

cause commerce is weak thats why, and i dont want to rent the whole track out. this would be quick and easy, one day event, no excuses like "my axel broke, i had launch problems" etc

[rollin_hard]

Yeah I am sure the shops would be willing to go out and beat on their pro cars for nothing but bragging rights. Sure would be fun to watch.

[mocha latte cupcake]

i'd be down for the specation if nothing else then to see some people get shut up....

[B16a2 Civic]

well, might as well make this an IA event Lol, its defintly something i would like to see

[WINDSOR]

that would be interesting to watch for sure. Vteckidd and his crazy ideas.

[Spyder]

We will have to choose a NEUTRAL location or a place we all deem is worthy.

It would have to be a 4wd dyno cause im sure Batlgrounds EVO and im sure topspeed has a few 4wd cars.

we could charge an entry fee and go to DynoFormance , im sure they would lvoe to have the publicity.


It wold have to be a SHOP car or a car the SHOP worked on. and it would be based on the shops word. So dont lie and bring some car from indiana down ehre an claim you built the motor.

why wouldnt it be exciting? i would say a track day, but i think the public would have more fun on a dyno day, afterall TF is a track day.

well thats what i was going to say, there arent alot of AWD dyno's in the state and most of them are involved in the "contest" lol.

why wouldnt it be exciting? simple. a dyno doesnt really prove anything, it just shows who does a better job tuning the parts they used. in the case of someone like you getting involved ( i know you recently "merged") you for the most part build some great NA honda motors but that will never compare to a 1000+hp evo/sti/supra if you know what i mean.. i guess what im saying is, everyone would be in the PRO class, so there is no comparision.

[4dmin]

damit vkidd your stealing my idea... i was going to do that BASTARD i mentioned that at your guys last dyno day http://forums.importatlanta.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

I'M ALREADY IN THE WORX ON THIS YOU GUYS WILL HAVE MORE INFO SOON I PROMISE :goodjob:

[Spyder]

i'd be down for the specation if nothing else then to see some people get shut up....

noone will shut up, period. and for the most part it's cheerleaders not the shops themselves. :rolleyes:

[WINDSOR]

damit vkidd your stealing my idea... i was going to do that BASTARD i mentioned that at your guys last dyno day http://forums.importatlanta.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

I'M ALREADY IN THE WORX ON THIS YOU GUYS WILL HAVE MORE INFO SOON I PROMISE :goodjob:

hmmm... :D

[Spyder]

well, might as well make this an IA event Lol, its defintly something i would like to see

me to , wont likely happen :(

[mocha latte cupcake]

ok.... i stand corrected the cheerleaders will shut up... lol. either way i wanna see some broken rods and some bent valves dang it!

[4dmin]

^ i mentioned it to ISP as well ;)

[Spyder]

that would be interesting to watch for sure. Vteckidd and his crazy ideas.

I talked to paul about this before i saw Vteckidd post about it, that was weeks ago.. but this is the first i have seen of it posted..

[Spyder]

damit vkidd your stealing my idea... i was going to do that BASTARD i mentioned that at your guys last dyno day http://forums.importatlanta.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

I'M ALREADY IN THE WORX ON THIS YOU GUYS WILL HAVE MORE INFO SOON I PROMISE :goodjob:

i didnt know this was already in the works... oops... last i heard from you about it, it was "something you really wanted to make happen" but that was all..

[Vteckidd]

well thats what i was going to say, there arent alot of AWD dyno's in the state and most of them are involved in the "contest" lol.

why wouldnt it be exciting? simple. a dyno doesnt really prove anything, it just shows who does a better job tuning the parts they used. in the case of someone like you getting involved ( i know you recently "merged") you for the most part build some great NA honda motors but that will never compare to a 1000+hp evo/sti/supra if you know what i mean.. i guess what im saying is, everyone would be in the PRO class, so there is no comparision.
thats why i have CLASSES entered.

I know NO ONE in GA will beat my motor in my car (NA 4 clyinder). its not how its tuned , its also how its built and who built it.

But then i know i have no car that can beat Batlgrounds EVO or ISP 730whp car or AAPs supra or MM Supra. but i might have one soon :)

it would be good to see who has what, who makes more power, and most of all HAVE FUN and see who has the top cars in GA. but what do i know :cool:

[4dmin]

1 step ahead of you guys.. i'm working on it :D , trust me it will be fun for every one SHOPS and SPECTATORS... i will have more info this month (waiting on the euro dyno day to pass)

[Vteckidd]

1 step ahead of you guys.. i'm working on it :D , trust me it will be fun for every one SHOPS and SPECTATORS... i will have more info this month (waiting on the euro dyno day to pass)
WHAT!!! oh shit, i didnt know man lol. who did you talk to about it? charles? damnit he never lets me know anytihng

[4dmin]

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dayum looks like this idea will work :goodjob:

[namahs]

We'll go. It'll be fun. We can't win against aap, but we'll still bring the Evo.

[Spyder]

thats why i have CLASSES entered.

I know NO ONE in GA will beat my motor in my car (NA 4 clyinder). its not how its tuned , its also how its built and who built it.

But then i know i have no car that can beat Batlgrounds EVO or ISP 730whp car or AAPs supra or MM Supra. but i might have one soon :)

it would be good to see who has what, who makes more power, and most of all HAVE FUN and see who has the top cars in GA. but what do i know :cool:

that was my point.. but we will see when and if it all happens :)

[mocha latte cupcake]

dang it i exited the thread to early to make the list! o well!

[4dmin]

WE ARE WORKING ON A SHOP ONLY INVITATIONAL... MORE DETAILS WILL COME SO, BUT THERE WILL BE A NICE LIST OF PEOPLE INVITED AND FAIR FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED :goodjob:

(we were trying to wait for the season to start coming to an end when the national events are so close together)

[Big Baller]

We'll go. It'll be fun. We can't win against aap, but we'll still bring the Evo.


I'll be bringing the Mustang in tommrow, Oh the pro class, yeah, I dont know about anyone else but I'm going to need a dyno that reads past 1300hp.

[Vteckidd]

i think the pump gas is good cause it shows a true street car. and it will make Batlground and ISP and MM think about whther they want to compete in the PRO class or the regualr street classes. i mean, would you rather win the PRO class, or win the street class? Would peter want to go head to head against Batlgrounds EVO on race gas, or does he tink he can win on pump ? see what i mean, it would make things more interesting

[Big Baller]

You have to really define pump gas,

IE pump gas + methanol

IE pump gas+ 100 octane unleaded

IE pump gas + tolulene

Be careful

[Vteckidd]

i think we limit it to 100 octane.

cause you can buy 100 octane at the pump, NO ADDITIVES, no TOLULENE etc

[Spyder]

i think the pump gas is good cause it shows a true street car. and it will make Batlground and ISP and MM think about whther they want to compete in the PRO class or the regualr street classes. i mean, would you rather win the PRO class, or win the street class? Would peter want to go head to head against Batlgrounds EVO on race gas, or does he tink he can win on pump ? see what i mean, it would make things more interesting

right but that is assuming someone would be willing to take their car that does what it does now and detune it so it is safe to run on pump gas for this contest? i just dont see it happening. i will be intersted to see the rules as paul sets them up... just to see if there is a difference.

[collins]

damn, crazy idea! i hope to see it!

[boosted1jz]

i wanna go!!!!! sounds like a badasss event :D

[namahs]

I don't think pump gas will work only because you can't regulate it. Are we going to test fuel? Dan is certified to test fuel by the NHRA, but who will trust him :) I say run what you brung for the class decided. Just another reason to go to the track :)

[Formally...]

I don't think pump gas will work only because you can't regulate it. Are we going to test fuel?

That is why it is up to the shops to be honest. We are all adults that deal with customers everyday. If you are honest with them then you should be honest with this event.

Remember, there is no prize, payout, anything for "winning" this event. It is a fun way for people to meet the shop employee's and see the cars without having to drive all over the state.

[Vteckidd]

if i do an oil change on Peters car can i say that its my SHOP CAR ? LOL

and since i sold Tracy some plugs for her EVO can i say i built it? :lmfao:

[namahs]

That is why it is up to the shops to be honest. We are all adults that deal with customers everyday. If you are honest with them then you should be honest with this event.

Remember, there is no prize, payout, anything for "winning" this event. It is a fun way for people to meet the shop employee's and see the cars without having to drive all over the state.


I agree that shops should be able to be trusted....I trust you....that's about as far as I trust any shop not to cheat!! I have no problem running on pump. I'll agree to it....I just know people will cheat. There is a prize...it called pride :) some people can't handle taking a hit to theirs.

[Spyder]

I agree that shops should be able to be trusted....I trust you....that's about as far as I trust any shop not to cheat!! I have no problem running on pump. I'll agree to it....I just know people will cheat. There is a prize...it called pride :) some people can't handle taking a hit to theirs.

Well if you can't handle the chance of loosing its hard to be part of an event like this, it will be nice to see who actually shows :)

[namahs]

Well if you can't handle the chance of loosing its hard to be part of an event like this, it will be nice to see who actually shows :)



True. We're there regardless. See ya'llwhen and if it happens :)

[BTLFED]

Best pissing contest evar. I'll be there with bells on.

[4dmin]

Best pissing contest evar. I'll be there with bells on.

lol

[99ITRGIRL]

lord.....

[Repost Squintz]

if you go, u need to make an awesome video of this dyno day; for the ppl that hafta work and cant see it, but want to

[bigb996]

i dunno i dont think you would be able to get it done. Lots of people will either back out or just not attend or acknowledge this. ITs worth a shot though.

[Jaimecbr900]

This idea is good on paper, but unfortunately it won't settle anything IMO.

You know why? Because there is already bad blood between some shops and this will only make that boil fester. If somebody wins, the losing side will have a million reasons or excuses why. That will then turn into yet another pissing contest.

The only real fair way to settle it is to take it to the track. The track doesn't lie. The track doesn't care who lines up with who, the lights and clock don't lie. You either win or lose. Clear, precise, and definite. Always a winner and always a loser each and every time. A dyno can be manipulated so many ways it's not funny.

Some shops could care less about internet drama 99% of the time. This would possibly be the same. The shops have really nothing to gain and a whole lot to lose if they do it.

You wanna settle all this drama? Do a good ole fashion call out. You don't like somebody, call them out directly. If they have the nads, they'll take you up on it and you TWO ALONE go at it. Go to the track, run head to head, and settle it once and for all. Get called out and you don't wanna run, then you have to deal with the backlash. Eventually people will stop talking shit because they know they'll eventually get called out in front of everybody or get their asses spanked and made to look stupid. As the saying goes, "there's always somebody out there faster than you", so therefore eventually ALL the shit talkers will meet the bottom of their shoe.

A lot of people talk shit simply because they never have to back it up. You wanna stop the shit talking? Make them back it up or shut up. Simple.

[Vteckidd]

This idea is good on paper, but unfortunately it won't settle anything IMO.

You know why? Because there is already bad blood between some shops and this will only make that boil fester. If somebody wins, the losing side will have a million reasons or excuses why. That will then turn into yet another pissing contest.

The only real fair way to settle it is to take it to the track. The track doesn't lie. The track doesn't care who lines up with who, the lights and clock don't lie. You either win or lose. Clear, precise, and definite. Always a winner and always a loser each and every time. A dyno can be manipulated so many ways it's not funny.

Some shops could care less about internet drama 99% of the time. This would possibly be the same. The shops have really nothing to gain and a whole lot to lose if they do it.

You wanna settle all this drama? Do a good ole fashion call out. You don't like somebody, call them out directly. If they have the nads, they'll take you up on it and you TWO ALONE go at it. Go to the track, run head to head, and settle it once and for all. Get called out and you don't wanna run, then you have to deal with the backlash. Eventually people will stop talking shit because they know they'll eventually get called out in front of everybody or get their asses spanked and made to look stupid. As the saying goes, "there's always somebody out there faster than you", so therefore eventually ALL the shit talkers will meet the bottom of their shoe.

A lot of people talk shit simply because they never have to back it up. You wanna stop the shit talking? Make them back it up or shut up. Simple.

i agree with that 100%. however, i dont like a track day. the reason being is, will my car beat MM supra, or BG evo, or AAPs supra? HELL FUCKING NO. would they lose to me on the street with street tires, maybe, well maybe not the EVO. I mean those are all 10second cars, it woundt be fair for them to runs against a 11second car. they are all Turbo cars im NA. youd have to have classes at the track as well. but you get what i mean, classes level the playing field.

Jaime you and i both know that people will make excuses at the track too. we'll hear
"my axel broke"
"my launch was messed up"
"i trapped higher than you"
"my tires arent sticking"
etc

i said we should use a NEUTRAL site for dynoing. there wont be any manipulations if there is third party dynoing for us. Plus this is meant as FUN. shops may disagree or had bad pasts, but we are all adults, im sure we are all mature enough to meet at a place shake hands and have a fun day. leave the shit talking to the internet.

[latoilette]

yeah, let's have DYNO day. And maybe a cookout at the courtesy of shops. that would be nice..

[james]

i think maybe a boxing deathmatch would be more exciting. id show up for that!

[Salty12]

if it's a track day.. it should be run Auto-x style (since we don't have a road course).

Or make it a points type event..
1) collect points for dyno comp
2) collect points for drag comp
3) collect points for track/auto-x comp. <--- the most exciting one and most like "street" driving

[99SI]

I think that this would abe an excellent idea and I for one will absolutely be there. lol at Jamie talking about call outs. I remember not too long ago Tracy calling out Phil Pansy and him bitching out big time. lol. ahhhh, this would be soo much fun. DO IT!!!!!!!!!

[Spyder]

All great in theory, but alot of the shops aren't the ones talking shit so even if you never saw so and so post on IA there would always be their cheerleaders on here stirring the drama.

[Vteckidd]

All great in theory, but alot of the shops aren't the ones talking shit so even if you never saw so and so post on IA there would always be their cheerleaders on here stirring the drama.
agreed

[DemonEyez]

if it's a track day.. it should be run Auto-x style (since we don't have a road course).

Or make it a points type event..
1) collect points for dyno comp
2) collect points for drag comp
3) collect points for track/auto-x comp. <--- the most exciting one and most like "street" driving

I like this idea.

shows which shop can tune/build.

but then all thats useless if ya can't drive.

Also would be a lot more fun.

[Spyder]

I like this idea.

shows which shop can tune/build.

but then all thats useless if ya can't drive.

Also would be a lot more fun.


let's take it to the next level and add another 2 classes. show (someone has to like show cars right?) and drifting.

the smaller or more specialized shops will get a 0 in a few catagories.. but it will show who is the over all the best "tuner" shop.. and who has people that can not only build cars but drive them....

one shop in particular stands out so far in my mind for this.

[bigb996]

agreed on the auto-x thing, that way you have the true racing of beating people int he turns and not in the straights because the cars like evos/stis and such are not made for the straights.

[Spyder]

agreed on the auto-x thing, that way you have the true racing of beating people int he turns and not in the straights because the cars like evos/stis and such are not made for the straights.

and there may be a shop that for example , doesnt build drift cars or drift themselves. so they may score 0 in that area, but im pretty sure (not to call anyone out specifically) the the same shop that may have a drift car, doesnt likely have an amazingly powerfull NA car..

[Vteckidd]

those are good ideas as well. i know we dont ahve a DRIFT car, but i know Batlground doesnt have an all motor car either. Knowledge has a 8 cylinder turbo and a a few road race cars, but i havent see or heard of any 4 sylinder turbo cars they have making over 600 like ISP. so it would be pluses and negatives

Thats a good idea, and i think it shuld be a good advancenotice for the invitational so maybe the shops can hustle and build a car for a certain class...........

i think it would be a lot of fun. i think if you did a poll, most people wil lsay WHP numbers and 1/4 times are what determines a fast car. NOT DRIFITING or AUTOX-ING.

drifiting is excessive, it doesnt prove anything, fun to watch, but i dont think it takes any more skill than AUTOX-ING IMO. but i have never drifted.

[Spyder]

those are good ideas as well. i know we dont ahve a DRIFT car, but i know Batlground doesnt have an all motor car either. Knowledge has a 8 cylinder turbo and a a few road race cars, but i havent see or heard of any 4 sylinder turbo cars they have making over 600 like ISP. so it would be pluses and negatives

Thats a good idea, and i think it sohuld be a good time for the invitational so we amybe the shops can hustle and build a car for a certain class...........

:goodjob: :goodjob: :D

[Shawn]

This is a cool idea, but I agree with vteckidd, drifting doesnt prove shit, its all show, I dont think having a show is a good idea either, b/c we are talking about preformance shops, not body shops. This really wont prove much though, people know which shop can build fast Supras(AAP), people know that ISP can build fast Hondas. Whats the point to prove?

[4dmin]

WE ARE GOING TO DO 2 EVENTS... TRACK DAY AND DYNO DAY, ALL THE SHOPS BRING OUT THEIR TOP 2 CARS RUN THEM. I'LL HAVE MORE DETAILS NEXT WEEK FOR YOU GUYS!!! http://forums.importatlanta.com/images/smilies/goodjob.gif

i know a few shops were posted up but i want to invite all of the import shops out there including the ones off the boards, so if they aren't on here post up the shops info: name, address, phone, contact . i want to make sure everyone out there gets invited so we can put it all to rest...

"X shop is better then Y shop" well bring it to shop wars :king:

[Kristi]

go paul!

[Spyder]

This is a cool idea, but I agree with vteckidd, drifting doesnt prove shit, its all show, I dont think having a show is a good idea either, b/c we are talking about preformance shops, not body shops. This really wont prove much though, people know which shop can build fast Supras(AAP), people know that ISP can build fast Hondas. Whats the point to prove?

if i were to pay a shop for my stuff to get done there i wouldnt only want it to be functional but to also look decent. if im going to an event like this i would like there to be as many shops cars there to represent their shop as possible just because they arent the fastest in the shop doesnt mean they shouldn't be represented, the more cars the better chance something will appeal to the people that are there. EG:I personally have never seen anything from AAP and I would love to see more then 2 of their rides..

Oh and as far as drifting , belive it or not there are A LOT of people that like drifting, I know and Kabir don't and thats fine but I would MUCH rather sit and watch drifting then sit and watch a dyno contest, thats just me. Also this should be about what a customer would want to see and decide what each shop has to offer, i wouldnt take a car to shop A to have it built as a drift car because that isnt what they do, they specialize in NA cars or they specialize in road racing or whatever the case... but i could take that car to shop B and C. just my :2cents: oh and Admin, i know you are about tired of hearing our idea's lol..

[Shawn]

if i were to pay a shop for my stuff to get done there i wouldnt only want it to be functional but to also look decent. if im going to an event like this i would like there to be as many shops cars there to represent their shop as possible just because they arent the fastest in the shop doesnt mean they shouldn't be represented, the more cars the better chance something will appeal to the people that are there. EG:I personally have never seen anything from AAP and I would love to see more then 2 of their rides..

Oh and as far as drifting , belive it or not there are A LOT of people that like drifting, I know and Kabir don't and thats fine but I would MUCH rather sit and watch drifting then sit and watch a dyno contest, thats just me. Also this should be about what a customer would want to see and decide what each shop has to offer, i wouldnt take a car to shop A to have it built as a drift car because that isnt what they do, they specialize in NA cars or they specialize in road racing or whatever the case... but i could take that car to shop B and C. just my :2cents: oh and Admin, i know you are about tired of hearing our idea's lol..

Maybe judge the cleanliness of the engine bay but thats it. So what if a drag or drift car has a dent in the quarter panel, is that gonna make you not wanna go the that shop?

I would rather watch drifting that other people dyno also, but what the hell does that have to do with choosing a shop? If you are gonna build a drift car you choose the parts and get the shop to install it.

[Salty12]

i think it would be a lot of fun. i think if you did a poll, most people wil lsay WHP numbers and 1/4 times are what determines a fast car. NOT DRIFITING or AUTOX-ING.


1/4 times don't mean anything to me personally. Yay.. you can build a 1300HP monster that goes straight and can't stop, what good is that? Ideally the true measure would be lap times on a road course, but that is something we can't pull off.

[DemonEyez]

Maybe judge the cleanliness of the engine bay but thats it. So what if a drag or drift car has a dent in the quarter panel, is that gonna make you not wanna go the that shop?

I would rather watch drifting that other people dyno also, but what the hell does that have to do with choosing a shop? If you are gonna build a drift car you choose the parts and get the shop to install it.

yeah i dont think drifting should be a aprt of this.

many epople will go to the drag strip

many people wanna show of dyno's and a clean installed engine bay

how many people here will go drift their cars?

im also guessing finding a good place to have a drift comp + insurance + all that jazz would cost quite a bit. but a regular autox shouldnt be that much and drag is like 15 bucks.

[Shawn]

Ummm just because you dont care about drag racing doesnt mean other people dont. Different people like different things.

[Salty12]

Ummm just because you dont care about drag racing doesnt mean other people dont. Different people like different things.

i know..that's why i said "i personally". I attend auto-x's and road races.. i don't find the drag strip entertaining. If you just wanted to compare people's intrest levels, maybe we should check attendance numbers for a big event at commerce compared to a LaMans race at road atlanta. Then it's apples for apples.

[Spyder]

Maybe judge the cleanliness of the engine bay but thats it. So what if a drag or drift car has a dent in the quarter panel, is that gonna make you not wanna go the that shop?

I would rather watch drifting that other people dyno also, but what the hell does that have to do with choosing a shop? If you are gonna build a drift car you choose the parts and get the shop to install it.

I should have clarified on the show part, i just meant somewhere for shops to put their cars where we could see what actually went into them, and how professionally (visually atleast) they were done instead of having them roped off where noone could get near or see them. there are 100 ways to cram a B18 into a civic, all i care about is how well that is done if that were my car of choice.

not everyone knows how to build a car so choosing parts isnt that easy for them, i know what it takes to build a drift car, i know absolutely nothing about building a drag race honda, so i would call ISP and talk to the guys there instead of just "choosing a part" and having a shop install it. when you are building a 600+ hp drag car or a 300 hp drift car it isnt as simple as just "choosing a part" and going from there.. well, it that is if you want to have any success with it.

[Spyder]

i know..that's why i said "i personally". I attend auto-x's and road races.. i don't find the drag strip entertaining. If you just wanted to compare people's intrest levels, maybe we should check attendance numbers for a big event at commerce compared to a LaMans race at road atlanta. Then it's apples for apples.

to be honest even that isn't fair. it should be based on a percentage of this site being as this site is holding it..

[Salty12]

your right.. i was only thinking in terms of what proves which machines are the best mechanically and performance wise.. not in terms of what the audience is interested in. my bad

[Spyder]

your right.. i was only thinking in terms of what proves which machines are the best mechanically and performance wise.. not in terms of what the audience is interested in. my bad

you are forgeting something, and its the same thing that alot seem to be forgeting. each "sport" or form of racing was developed for each specific thing, there is rarely a jack of all trades type car. the fastest dragsters in the world cant auto cross (man that would be funny to watch lol) and although the best auto cross cars could drag they dont do it very well.. it's all relative to the racing you are interested in. that is why i would like to see it expose alot of different sides of the same shops, because they may have something that makes them better at a given thing then the next one so on so fourth.

[Salty12]

you are very very right.. So how would you propose finding what shop builds the best all-round car? Or is that not what this is all trying to prove?

[Spyder]

you are very very right.. So how would you propose finding what shop builds the best all-round car? Or is that not what this is all trying to prove?

I dont think that is what anyone is trying to prove, but that is what I personally would like to see lol :)

[4dmin]

i would say almost every shop in ga has a car that can qualify for a dyno day or a day at the strip, thats why those are the two most popular events... shit i would love to shut down and do a mountain run w/ shops but we gotta be realistic, most shops build for one thing that is to make high hp and go fast.

i think this is an awesome idea all of the shops can come out w/ thier cheerleaders and see where they stand, instead of only 1 or 2 shops showing up, thats why we call them all out its braggin rights... there is only a few shops that are probably car specific like EPG or Tophat(seda guys) but who cares bring what you build. I would love nothing better than to see Mainstream pull a 12sec run w/ an all motor civic against a ISP runing a 10sec... 10 is better than 12sec but check out the motor setups... or ISP hatch vs. Batlground evo or MM Supra vs. AAP supra etc, etc, etc... there are tons of shops and tons of us in the scene. I think this is perfect so shops can show off what they build. Every shop deserves braggin rights, but if you don't race you can't brag ;)

[Salty12]

all of the shops can come out w/ thier cheerleaders

describe these cheerleaders you are talking about ;)

Cheerleaders would makes the perfect addition to a dyno day!

jk

[RotiEatter]

Drifitng proves that you can slide a car around a track. It doesn't prove anything else.

Dyno=You have to build a good motor to make good numbers.
Drag=You have to build a good motor to withstand racing, you have to make good numebrs to run good times, you have to drive well to get a good time, you have the car setup well for the best possible time.

Show=proves you can waste a lot of moeny to make a car a useless piece of shit. Wow, you spent a $120k on your Civic for doors and hoods that open the wrong way. It doesn't prove anything for a performance shop. No real performance shop should even deal with bodywork and that crap.

Drifting might be more fun to watch for some people, but it doesn't prove your abilities as a shop.

[RotiEatter]

describe these cheerleaders you are talking about ;)

Cheerleaders would makes the perfect addition to a dyno day!


They are guys that like to come say this shop is better than the one you are helping. Talk a lot of smack, and then the shop ends up getting beat by a home built car. :)

[RotiEatter]

AAP will win the drag if they bring the Supra. :)

[Salty12]

They are guys that like to come say this shop is better than the one you are helping. Talk a lot of smack, and then the shop ends up getting beat by a home built car. :)


not the answer i was hoping for.

[4dmin]

MAHDAVI MOTORSPORTS
5395 Lawrencville Hwy
Lilburn, GA 30047

Batlground Engineering
1770 Atlanta Rd. SE
Smyrna, GA 30080

Evolution Autodesign
3858 Oakcliff Industrial Ct.
Doraville, GA 30340

CCR
2203 Plantation Drive
Macon, GA 31211

EPG
1385-a Lucile Ave
Marietta, Georgia 33067

Mainstream Performance
3408 Florence Circle Ste.200
Powder Springs, GA 30127

Balanced Performace
720 North Price Road
Suite 101
Sugar Hill, GA 30518

Knowledge Performance, Inc.
3042 Matlock Drive
Kennesaw, GA 30144

ISP
806 B Loganville Hwy (hwy 81)
Winder, GA 30680

AAP Motorsports
3651A Mcginnis Park Drive
Suwanee, GA 30024

TopSpeed
2130 Brandon Trl
Alpharetta, GA 30004-8457

J3 Motorsport
4991 B.U. Bowman Dr.
Suite 100
Buford, GA 30518

Assist Auto & Tuning
1220 Richardson Street
Stone Mountain, GA 30083

here some on the list were going to contact, who are we missing post up... you know of a shop get me their info... i know TopHat Performance, Tiger Racing, etc. etc... get me the shops!!!

[4dmin]

AAP will win the drag if they bring the Supra. :)

ya but thats why each shop brings 2 cars, 1 car just shows you can build, multiple car shows your shop can back up what it builds. And i know MM beat one of the AAP supras :goodjob:

[B16a2 Civic]

this is goign to be an interesting event once it goes down

[RandomGuy]

ya but thats why each shop brings 2 cars, 1 car just shows you can build, multiple car shows your shop can back up what it builds. And i know MM beat one of the AAP supras :goodjob:
lol im sure it wasnt with that CRX

LOL blahahha jk

[4dmin]

lol im sure it wasnt with that CRX

LOL blahahha jk

not funny... no shop or car BS in this thread we have 1,000,001 threads of that shit already...

and the MM Supra beat the gray AAP Supra :goodjob:

[Dragonfly5338]

who, paul? pat? her supra is the hotness, and so is she. i love bitches that can drive! ;)

[Jaimecbr900]

Paul, that's all fine and good except you are forgetting one thing:

There are a couple of shops that already compete head-to-head in the NOPI tour week in and week out. There is a points race there and at the end of the season it is easy to see who did better that year.

So again, there would be really no gain for those two shops that already race each other, and BTW they get along too, 10 times a year.

Why would a shop put their $10, 20...hell even 50K motor/car on the line when they already do? For bragging rights?? To be honest, that wouldn't be enough incentive for me personally. If I had $50K tied up in a race car that already drives all over the country to race every other week, why would I risk blowing it up to settle an internet pissing contest??????

Now, if we are talking about shit talking customers and crazies who wanna do a track day to settle their beef with X, Y, or Z.......that would be different. Why is that different? Because 99.9% of the internet drama is started by the cheerleaders and not the shop owners. So, if they started the shit, let them finish it in a way that is definite. Taking a video camera to do a 60-120 roll on 85 is NOT RACING. Too many excuses and variables that one day net one winner based on the excuse of the day.

I still say: You wanna talk shit and start internet drama, fine then. Somebody will eventually take offense to your shit talking and then call you out. You wanna settle it? Go to the track day and settle it there. In front of God and Country for all to see. If you have the stuff to back it up, good for you keep shit talking then. It's not bragging if you can back it up. If you don't have it, you'll look like the tool you are and hopefully you'll of learned your lesson about shit talking.

Forget all the rules and classes and :blah: .....you don't like somebody in particular.....call that bitch out and go run. Simple. What's the problem with that?

If a shop doesn't like another shop for some stupid ass reason, try and settle it like grown folks. Look the other person in the eye and tell them TO THEIR FACE...I don't like you and here's why. There's only two responses to something like that: FU or let's talk. If you wanna talk then talk. If you wanna prove you're faster than they are, call them out and show up to race. 1 on 1 somewhere where the numbers don't lie. How hard is that?

All this....that shop fucked my sister, the other shop kicked my dog, that other one smells funny.......that's all freaking GAY :gay: . Shops are people's livelihood. That's how they feed their families. Don't be a fag and try and ruin someone's livelihood w/o having the balls to do it to their face. IF you have the balls, then that's life. Life is harsh sometimes. IF you don't have the balls and are some kind of keyboard warrior, the STFU :2up: .



I'm in a bad mood today. Can yall tell???? ;)

[The Ren]

this is definatly ganna be one big ass event...This is where the men get separated from the boys sort of speak

[4dmin]

Paul, that's all fine and good except you are forgetting one thing:

There are a couple of shops that already compete head-to-head in the NOPI tour week in and week out. There is a points race there and at the end of the season it is easy to see who did better that year.

So again, there would be really no gain for those two shops that already race each other, and BTW they get along too, 10 times a year.

Why would a shop put their $10, 20...hell even 50K motor/car on the line when they already do? For bragging rights?? To be honest, that wouldn't be enough incentive for me personally. If I had $50K tied up in a race car that already drives all over the country to race every other week, why would I risk blowing it up to settle an internet pissing contest??????

Now, if we are talking about shit talking customers and crazies who wanna do a track day to settle their beef with X, Y, or Z.......that would be different. Why is that different? Because 99.9% of the internet drama is started by the cheerleaders and not the shop owners. So, if they started the shit, let them finish it in a way that is definite. Taking a video camera to do a 60-120 roll on 85 is NOT RACING. Too many excuses and variables that one day net one winner based on the excuse of the day.

I still say: You wanna talk shit and start internet drama, fine then. Somebody will eventually take offense to your shit talking and then call you out. You wanna settle it? Go to the track day and settle it there. In front of God and Country for all to see. If you have the stuff to back it up, good for you keep shit talking then. It's not bragging if you can back it up. If you don't have it, you'll look like the tool you are and hopefully you'll of learned your lesson about shit talking.

Forget all the rules and classes and :blah: .....you don't like somebody in particular.....call that bitch out and go run. Simple. What's the problem with that?

If a shop doesn't like another shop for some stupid ass reason, try and settle it like grown folks. Look the other person in the eye and tell them TO THEIR FACE...I don't like you and here's why. There's only two responses to something like that: FU or let's talk. If you wanna talk then talk. If you wanna prove you're faster than they are, call them out and show up to race. 1 on 1 somewhere where the numbers don't lie. How hard is that?

All this....that shop fucked my sister, the other shop kicked my dog, that other one smells funny.......that's all freaking GAY :gay: . Shops are people's livelihood. That's how they feed their families. Don't be a fag and try and ruin someone's livelihood w/o having the balls to do it to their face. IF you have the balls, then that's life. Life is harsh sometimes. IF you don't have the balls and are some kind of keyboard warrior, the STFU :2up: .



I'm in a bad mood today. Can yall tell???? ;)

Tons of great valid points, but those shops who already race this is great advertising for your shop... as i posted in a previous thread there are 4 shops who have made names in racing: MM, Batl, ISP, & AAP. Me peronsally being a customer of some of the shops i would love to see them race other shops i don't go to just for fun :D

[SLOWR/T]

what dyno ya using and when about is it going to be. i wouldnt mine seeing it!!!

[Vteckidd]

while i understand where jaimie is coming from, heres my .02

unless im misunderstanding you, and that is completely possible.......

If a shop doesnt want to put there 50$K car on the line then thats fine, i understand. but what makes you think they would put it on the line if username "XXXX CALLS OUT insert shop name here"

[Jaimecbr900]

who, paul? pat? her supra is the hotness, and so is she. i love bitches that can drive! ;)

No Val, what Paul was mentioning was that Sam from MM beat Yamil from AAP. They both run in the Turbo 6 Sportsman class. They've gone head-to-head a couple of times. They always run neck and neck most of the time.

Chris from AAP runs in the PRO Street tire class. Different classes all together.

BTW, I'm just clarifying and NOT shit talking. Yamil has beat Sam before too, so it's not about that.

[Jaimecbr900]

If a shop doesnt want to put there 50$K car on the line then thats fine, i understand. but what makes you think they would put it on the line if username "XXXX CALLS OUT insert shop name here"

They wouldn't. The SHOP wouldn't want to waste their time doing that.

That's why I said that 99% of the internet drama isn't REALLY about shops. It's about individual shit talkers that speak on BEHALF (or so they say) of the SHOPS. Get it?

That's why I'm saying that shit talking is easy to settle. You settle it the same way you deal with any other drama or bully you come across. You call their bullshit out and hope you have enough nads to back your shit up or it ends up backfiring on you. It's that simple.

If you notice, very few comments are made by the actual shop owners and those few comments are usually in direct defense of someone making the shit talking personal. Men will be men after all. I don't fault them there. But the majority of the time, the real players don't even care enough to fight on the net.

[4dmin]

^ dude you don't want to see shop X vs. shop Y??? dude this shit would be awesome make it a yearly event towards the end of season Oct/Nov and run the shop cars so we the scene can see what they are putting out. And you make it fair invite all of the shops so competition is tight, those who don't show, that will speak for its self ;)

[Vteckidd]

i understand where Jaime is coming from. AAP prob wouldnt enter there all out drag car, its not worth it to them, what if a tranny or motor blows? then they just wasted $7-8k on a race that gets them nothing but recognition, but they get enough recognition at the LEGAL track events all year long.

but in the same sense, i would love to see everyone enter. i dont have a 100K drag car to blow up, the most important expensive thing on my car is the Header :)

[RotiEatter]

Fuck

This is so lame... let Paul take care of it

If a shop doesn't want to particapate, they won't. It's not a huge deal. It's not like they are competiting for the fastest car in Georgia or something.

Fuck all shops anyways, they all suck ass. Street cars are the best.

[Jaimecbr900]

^ dude you don't want to see shop X vs. shop Y??? dude this shit would be awesome make it a yearly event towards the end of season Oct/Nov and run the shop cars so we the scene can see what they are putting out. And you make it fair invite all of the shops so competition is tight, those who don't show, that will speak for its self ;)

Like I said, it looks great on paper. It would be fun to do. No doubt.

I'm also being realistic. It costs money to have a car of that caliber. No shop around here has "Efantis or Titan or Arlsanian" written on their doors. In other words, all the shops around here don't just have race cars laying around and spare motors sitting waiting on bad things to happen. When the bad things happen, they have to reach in their own pockets, buy expensive ass parts, and spend a ton of time R&R'ing broken stuff. They put up with that when there are sponsorships or championships on the line. But "bragging rights"???? That doesn't always pay the bills my friend.

Again, I'd love to see it if for nothing else to quiet all the shit talkers, but realistically it's going to be up to the same cheerleaders and shit talkers that started the whole thing to squash it.

That's why I was saying that a track day would be awesome, for the shit talkers to squash their shit once and for all.

[rollin_hard]

we can all wish and wonder but I think even if this did happen, nothing would be resolved. conflict is at the heart of competion. shops hate each other everywhere. this would only lead to a slew of more talking and bashing and then there would have to be another SHOP WAR with different cars or better versions of the previous. but I am just repeating what has already been said. I am wondering too why has it not been mentioned the number of "quality cars" that these shops produce as a factor? one great car does not make a great shop, on the same token a bunch of mediocre cars doesn't either. the one dyno car and one drag car is a good idea but I don't think it can capture what a shops capabilty is. AAP could enter the same car then. who else is going to make 1100 whp and run 8 secs? at the same time I doubt that they could match MM 250 honda's :) I guess what I am saying is, Atlanta is a huge city. Yall should be happy to exsist here and profit. back where I am from (bumblefuck) the hottest car was a Chevy Vega with a 396 and a blower running 10's. that was tubbed and slicked too.


The True test would be a multi day mutli task event. Like Sport Compact Cars Ultimate Street Car Challenge. Let everyone pick sides that wants to pick sides. And then run what you brung. Obviously this is a task that requires HUGE amounts of money and organization. but that is the only true way to sovle this, temporarily.the same shit starters would probably punk out for one and not put thier $$$ where their mouth is and then be right back on the forum stirring it up.

[chnco]

who, paul? pat? her supra is the hotness, and so is she. i love bitches that can drive! ;)

No, the MKIII drag car.

[Dragonfly5338]

No, the MKIII drag car.

ahhh, gotcha. thanks. :goodjob:

[Jaimecbr900]

ahhh, gotcha. thanks. :goodjob:


Ummm, hellloooooo woman.....I answered your question like 5 pages ago...... :mad: :D

[Tracy]

I wish Atlanta shops had pro cars when ours was out. :) We ran out of money too soon I guess or maybe we were just ahead of our time. Now we're just some poor ass drifters, which apparently doesn't prove anything. :(

Why can't we just have another Tunerfeat? Its local. Why would a shop build cars and not show up to something local on their own accord? It seems like when you build a car you would like to test and tune at least.

BTW, the Evo may (just an assumption since it's not done yet) only get 1 pass before it gets kicked off the track. We're not going to put a roll cage in it. It's a "true street car".

[Scrappy]

hi! WANT TO TOUCH YOUR HENIE TOO!

[Dragonfly5338]

Ummm, hellloooooo woman.....I answered your question like 5 pages ago...... :mad: :D

I only read the first couple and last page of threads in the whore's lounge. :tongue: But thank you, Jamie. :) :)

[SLOWR/T]

^^^haha your sig is amusing. i like it!!