were screwed

[Thighs]

hilary clinton is gonna be the president.

*discuss*

[Sammich]

wrong section

[Thighs]

lolol guess wat










no its not. it does say "politics" in the description right?

[Sammich]

so...

[Thighs]

so since this is politics talk, and its in the section labeled "politics", its the right section

YOU LOSE. lol

[Sammich]

FYP

[Thighs]

i dont speak mexican

[Sammich]

good thing i'm not

[NewGen33]

i dont speak mexican
lol

[chinitoxamor]

damn beaners :rolleyes:

[Dr.G35]

dont think so, john mccain is going to give hilary a run for her money. actually he's going to win. edwards is dropping out around one o'clock today.

[BB6dohcvtec]

so ya'll really think clinton will even beat obama in the the primaries? when he won south carolina very convincingly and he won Iowa. Hillary won the popular vote in nevada but obama got more delegates out of the state. Yea hillary won florida but right now they don't mean **** because they got stripped of their delegates. McCain still has to fight off romney even tho he is kicking his ass right now Romney still has alot more money to spend for super tuesday than McCain. My Prediction will be McCain vs. Obama ..... still no matter who McCain faces he has no chance of winning especially when the die hard christian republicans don't even like him but he is the best out of the weak field the republican produced in these primaries.

[big daddy]

were screwed if either obama or hilary get in!!

[SL65AMG]

hilary clinton is gonna be the president.

*discuss*
Socialism or Communism is imminent and definite.
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/dws/images/dws-t-is-one-Communism.jpg

[Dr.G35]

so ya'll really think clinton will even beat obama in the the primaries? when he won south carolina very convincingly and he won Iowa. Hillary won the popular vote in nevada but obama got more delegates out of the state. Yea hillary won florida but right now they don't mean **** because they got stripped of their delegates. McCain still has to fight off romney even tho he is kicking his ass right now Romney still has alot more money to spend for super tuesday than McCain. My Prediction will be McCain vs. Obama ..... still no matter who McCain faces he has no chance of winning especially when the die hard christian republicans don't even like him but he is the best out of the weak field the republican produced in these primaries.

good point but do you actually believe that the die hard republicans would vote for clinton let alone obama? obama never had the chance because he doesnt have the experience, and they knew that from the beggining. clinton has a stronger chance than obama but her husband is taking her down big time. The BIG question in october and november will be: Who do you trust enough to keep America safe?

[MistaCee]

were screwed if either obama or hilary get in!!

You sure cant be serious. We would be screwed if Mcgayin or Roman noodles if they go into office.

[JITB]

anyone ever listen to a republican speech, the words

911
september 11th
osam bin laden
terrorism
War
is used in every other sentence... itss so funny.

[SleeperWRX]

Since half of yall are hating on Hilliry and Obama might as well let bush be the president again so he can start more wars and increase prices

[bigdare23]

hilary clinton is gonna be the president.

*discuss*


she cant do worse than your homie Bush

[MistaCee]

IMO if any of the republicans are put into office this time around we are more than screwed

[redpanda]

Ralph Nader!!

[Dr.G35]

Since half of yall are hating on Hilliry and Obama might as well let bush be the president again so he can start more wars and increase prices

i would trust him more than obama or clinton. Can you remind me again, what war did he start?

[blacknightteg]

he started every war we have been in over the 8 years and it was for stupid reason. bush is a dumb son of a *****. only reason that we even went in to iraq was so that he could finish what his dad started. he knew that there was no weapons in there, just like he knew about the whole 9/11 thing before it happend, that man is even and stupid all rolled into one ****ing nasty barrito

[IDCoconut]

he started every war we have been in over the 8 years and it was for stupid reason. bush is a dumb son of a *****. only reason that we even went in to iraq was so that he could finish what his dad started. he knew that there was no weapons in there, just like he knew about the whole 9/11 thing before it happend, that man is even and stupid all rolled into one ****ing nasty barrito

LOL @ you liberals and your conspiracies.

I'm out before this **** blows up.

[Dr.G35]

he started every war we have been in over the 8 years and it was for stupid reason. bush is a dumb son of a *****. only reason that we even went in to iraq was so that he could finish what his dad started. he knew that there was no weapons in there, just like he knew about the whole 9/11 thing before it happend, that man is even and stupid all rolled into one ****ing nasty barrito

Why do you keep on saying every? That’s implying that there are more than one. Bush did not start the Iraq war, the terrorist did. What would you expect us to do? Sit here and do nothing about it? Just let the terrorist attack us, killing thousands of innocent lives? If so move to France. Also, the safety of this nation from terrorist is a stupid reason for going to war? Think not. Do you actually think Bin Laden thought that he would ever be in some dirt hole up in the mountains running from our great soldiers? Coconut was right; dems are full of conspiracies that they cant even back up. So why mention them? You also spelled burrito wrong.

[BB6dohcvtec]

good point but do you actually believe that the die hard republicans would vote for clinton let alone obama? obama never had the chance because he doesnt have the experience, and they knew that from the beggining. clinton has a stronger chance than obama but her husband is taking her down big time. The BIG question in october and november will be: Who do you trust enough to keep America safe?

And my answer would be obama. But back to point why are we in iraq we were lied too from the beginning about the weapons. I'm not sweating that tho because we did a good thing about getting saddam out, but we could have done that years ago in the gulf war when we were on the hunt for his ass and we were at the door when the first bush pulled out. so after we got him the second time there was no need for us to stay there. Why would i want another president supporting a war we do not need to be in anymore in iraq....other parts of the middle east is where we need to focus not iraq.

[Dr.G35]

And my answer would be obama. But back to point why are we in iraq we were lied too from the beginning about the weapons. I'm not sweating that tho because we did a good thing about getting saddam out, but we could have done that years ago in the gulf war when we were on the hunt for his ass and we were at the door when the first bush pulled out. so after we got him the second time there was no need for us to stay there. Why would i want another president supporting a war we do not need to be in anymore in iraq....other parts of the middle east is where we need to focus not iraq.

Because it is now our responsibility. I want to stay there because if we pull back now Iraq will go right back into the same position they were in before and all that we have worked for will have been for nothing.

[BB6dohcvtec]

Because it is now our responsibility. I want to stay there because if we pull back now Iraq will go right back into the same position they were in before and all that we have worked for will have been for nothing.

see thats where i think that your wrong, iraq is not a responsibility. Our responsibility is to eliminate the threat to our country and get the **** out. we took out saddam and so now its up to that ****ty country to get their **** together. its not our job to help them. we have our own country and our own problems to worry about.

[Dr.G35]

but see i agree with you, but with a kind of twist. if we pull out now with the kind of **** that still is going on down there, then our country once again wll not be safe. Iraq IS our problem now. I believe we have to at least get them rollin before check out. even if we have to force feed democracy down their throats, we all will be better off then.

[DESTRO_91]

Every president has been: White, male, and straight(?). Since the frontrunners in the democratic party comply with only 2 out the 3 prerequisites, it seems as if our next president will come from the republican party, probably McCain.

[tony]

Obama is ahead by a nice margin, apparently some of you do not read polls.. He's caught up with Hillary in California, leading in Georgia and if Hillary has a lead in another state, it is not a commanding lead.

If Obama beats Hillary expect either her or Edwards to be his running mate and that is a ticket the republicans cannot beat. Obama is what this country needs now, make amends across the globe and deal with domestic issues without sticking our nose everywhere else. Oh yeah.. he preaches unity while typical politicians want to remain partisan. I really dont understand republicans who praise Reagan for what he did but criticize Obama for having the same sentiment.

[tony]

Oh yeah.. source on the polls:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

[DESTRO_91]

Obama is ahead by a nice margin, apparently some of you do not read polls.. He's caught up with Hillary in California, leading in Georgia and if Hillary has a lead in another state, it is not a commanding lead.

If Obama beats Hillary expect either her or Edwards to be his running mate and that is a ticket the republicans cannot beat. Obama is what this country needs now, make amends across the globe and deal with domestic issues without sticking our nose everywhere else. Oh yeah.. he preaches unity while typical politicians want to remain partisan. I really dont understand republicans who praise Reagan for what he did but criticize Obama for having the same sentiment.
I agree totally. But realistically, the "powers that be" will not allow that to happen (yet). I've voted already and I really do want to see a change. But the machine that is the "status quo" is incredibly powerful and has been in place since the genesis of our country. Once again I agree with you totally. Just callin' it like I see it.

[tony]

Because it is now our responsibility. I want to stay there because if we pull back now Iraq will go right back into the same position they were in before and all that we have worked for will have been for nothing.

Dr. G, I respect your opinion completely but this is my problem with conservatives. I voted for Bush, considered myself pretty conservative but I get tired of policies being built off of fear of the unknown. ANYTHING can happen at any given time, domestic security should be a priority but going into another country and attempting to establish order in a culture that does not accept ours with open arms is a lost cause.

How many resources have to be used and how many soldiers have to die before we realize we are hurting ourselves more than we are helping Iraq? Want to fight terrorism? Stop funding it, this means deal with energy independence, securing our boarders and build a stronger military here.. not in Iraq.

[1000cckiller]

Since half of yall are hating on Hilliry and Obama might as well let bush be the president again so he can start more wars and increase pricesx2, wtf is wrong with Hillary. half of you fools are hating because she is a woman.

[tony]

I agree totally. But realistically, the "powers that be" will not allow that to happen (yet). I've voted already and I really do want to see a change. But the machine that is the "status quo" is incredibly powerful and has been in place since the genesis of our country. Once again I agree with you totally. Just callin' it like I see it.

You speak like we did not put those people in power. It is the responsibility of the people to instill government. Read from the declaration of independence:


That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

That status quo can be changed, trust me we are witnessing history not because a black man is running for president but rather someone inspires people to go out and make a difference.. its a feeling that has not been felt in this generations lifetime and I think tomorrow the people will make a statement that will be heard at every corner of the globe.

[tony]

x2, wtf is wrong with Hillary. half of you fools are hating because she is a woman.

Hillary doesn't represent change, actually if you look at the McCain and Hillary's policy side by side they are not too far off.

[1000cckiller]

Hillary doesn't represent change, actually if you look at the McCain and Hillary's policy side by side they are not too far off.It all depends. My main thing is the health Care issue, people mad because she will garnish wages. Wtf is the problem, do people not know how many people don't pay their medical bills. We pay for the ones who don't pay, with this bill accountabilty is on the ones who bill it is. I will glady pay out of my wages as long as it is reasonable. Macain is old as hell, that man might die in office. Also most republicans are for themselvesm, they don't give a sh!t about the people. Republicans motto money before americans.

[DESTRO_91]

Because it is now our responsibility. I want to stay there because if we pull back now Iraq will go right back into the same position they were in before and all that we have worked for will have been for nothing.
I hate the fact that we are still over there. I honestly feel we need to cut our losses and make the real people responsible for the war which is now suppose to be a peace keeping and rebuilding mission. I 've been to Iraq (twice) and the only difference between the deployments are the attitudes of the iraqi's and the rules of engagement. Granted, I'm not a general or someone in the "know", but what I do know is that we continue lose our own over there, and for what? Make me see the benefits of a US presence over there. Because I really don't see one.

[tony]

Mitt Romney actually mandated health coverage in MA, they are now imposing fines (FINES) on people who do not have health coverage. So lets get this straight, penalize those who cannot afford health coverage by fining them?

Social security is supposed to provide for our wellbeing after retirement, that is garnished from our wages as well.. and we see how that is going. Taxes are garnished from our wages and we have the biggest deficit in history, so now you want to garnish health coverage from our checks as well? All while never seeing the benefit of it since those who don't work and illegal immigrants will cripple the system? I anxiously await a response.

[1000cckiller]

I hate the fact that we are still over there. I honestly feel we need to cut our losses and make the real people responsible for the war which is now suppose to be a peace keeping and rebuilding mission. I 've been to Iraq (twice) and the only difference between the deployments are the attitudes of the iraqi's and the rules of engagement. Granted, I'm not a general or someone in the "know", but what I do know is that we continue lose our own over there, and for what? Make me see the benefits of a US presence over there. Because I really don't see one.you are right we haven't seen any benefits, and we won't. We were lied to which led us to this war, and I don't see where we have accomplished anything. Our men and women are dying daily for our country, and they shouldn't be over there. We keep feeding money into a war, that looks like it has no end. Also for all those people who agreed with Bush going to war, ya'll need to be shipped off to Cuba along with Bush to live the rest of your lives.

[1000cckiller]

Mitt Romney actually mandated health coverage in MA, they are now imposing fines (FINES) on people who do not have health coverage. So lets get this straight, penalize those who cannot afford health coverage by fining them?

Social security is supposed to provide for our wellbeing after retirement, that is garnished from our wages as well.. and we see how that is going. Taxes are garnished from our wages and we have the biggest deficit in history, so now you want to garnish health coverage from our checks as well? All while never seeing the benefit of it since those who don't work and illegal immigrants will cripple the system? I anxiously await a response.Tony most likely we won't even have SS, when it comes our time. You know that.

[tony]

Tony most likely we won't even have SS, when it comes our time. You know that.

Exactly, so now Hillary wants you to trust the government with MORE funds from your paycheck so they can manage health care? All while politicians continue to stick pork into these bills get passed, mandate health coverage for children.. yes but adults? Hell no

[1000cckiller]

Exactly, so now Hillary wants you to trust the government with MORE funds from your paycheck so they can manage health care? All while politicians continue to stick pork into these bills get passed, mandate health coverage for children.. yes but adults? Hell noTony think about it. If adults pay for health coverage, the wages you pay will go toward your health care. Now if adults don't pay, for every person that skips out on their medical the taxes you pay will go toward pay off their bill. I don't know about you but I am tired of paying for others bills.

[tony]

Tony think about it. If adults pay for health coverage, the wages you pay will go toward your health care. Now if adults don't pay, for every person that skips out on their medical the taxes you pay will go toward pay off their bill. I don't know about you but I am tired of paying for others bills.

No if someone doesn't pay their medical bills it goes on their credit and it goes to collections.. taxpayers do not pay for that as the system is set up right now.

[1000cckiller]

No if someone doesn't pay their medical bills it goes on their credit and it goes to collections.. taxpayers do not pay for that as the system is set up right now.We actually end up pay for it, a lot of old bills are payed by the goverment, using our tax dollars. That is some of the help hospitals get from the government. Once you finally pay those bills, the money gets back to the government. It is like a recycle thing, I have a close friend who is a state rep he let me in on some of the BS that goes on.

[1000cckiller]

No if someone doesn't pay their medical bills it goes on their credit and it goes to collections.. taxpayers do not pay for that as the system is set up right now.I understand what you are saying, but you know everything isn't black and white. There is always some red tape somewhere.

[tony]

If thats the case then why not cover citizens of the U.S or subsidize premiums since the government foots the bill anyway? My problem with Billary is she wants to garnish wages but remain in Iraq with a war that costs the taxpayers BILLIONS and for what? Nothing, she needs to get her priorities straight.

A couple of good articles on mandated coverage:

http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/resources/pdf/TrendsEndsMay2006.pdf

http://www.ncpa.org/w/w23.html

[1000cckiller]

If thats the case then why not cover citizens of the U.S or subsidize premiums since the government foots the bill anyway? My problem with Billary is she wants to garnish wages but remain in Iraq with a war that costs the taxpayers BILLIONS and for what? Nothing, she needs to get her priorities straight.

A couple of good articles on mandated coverage:

http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/resources/pdf/TrendsEndsMay2006.pdf

http://www.ncpa.org/w/w23.htmlI completely agree, her stance is fawked up with the war. But I would rather take care of my own then others. Also no matter what complaints we have, we will always have to pay for something. Even when we get tax breaks we still pay, we just get hit with something else.

[DESTRO_91]

Tony think about it. If adults pay for health coverage, the wages you pay will go toward your health care. Now if adults don't pay, for every person that skips out on their medical the taxes you pay will go toward pay off their bill. I don't know about you but I am tired of paying for others bills.
True. On the flip side, do we just neglect those who can't afford it or better yet, the working people who don't make enough and get taxed a whole lot less.

[1000cckiller]

True. On the flip side, do we just neglect those who can't afford it or better yet, the working people who don't make enough and get taxed a whole lot less.I don't have the answer for that, but I hope they figure something out that works. I hope the people who work hard don't get screwed.

[DESTRO_91]

I completely agree, her stance is fawked up with the war. But I would rather take care of my own then others. Also no matter what complaints we have, we will always have to pay for something. Even when we get tax breaks we still pay, we just get hit with something else.
So true, so true.

[Dr.G35]

Dr. G, I respect your opinion completely but this is my problem with conservatives. I voted for Bush, considered myself pretty conservative but I get tired of policies being built off of fear of the unknown. ANYTHING can happen at any given time, domestic security should be a priority but going into another country and attempting to establish order in a culture that does not accept ours with open arms is a lost cause.

How many resources have to be used and how many soldiers have to die before we realize we are hurting ourselves more than we are helping Iraq? Want to fight terrorism? Stop funding it, this means deal with energy independence, securing our boarders and build a stronger military here.. not in Iraq.

Good point but dems or conservs either party are going to create policies to protect from the unknown, theres nothing we can do about that. Those policies are precautions so we will be sfe. Its true i dont agree with the govt supposedly tapping phones and **** like that, but thats the govt abusing power; it happens. I also agree with you that its a shame that we have lost 3000+ soldiers, and i dont want to sound cold at all because i support our troops more than any other political form, but they new the risk when signing up to be in the armed forces and i cannot think of a more courageous person. And to your ss concern, i believe it will be here. illegal immigrants from a whole do not "use" our money from health care normally they either pay an arm or a leg for whatever servce they get or they dont get any at all. The number one reason for grady hospital being in such the condition and debt that there are in is largely from the homeless community and other people. dont get me wrong i am in no way protecting illegal immigrants, i believe that they shouldnt be here illegaly but if there was some billpassed where allof the were shipped back to mexico, india, africa, and other regions it would severely cripple our system. they have been in our system too long for us to just simply ship them back. and all this bull**** about "the illegals are taking our jobs" are just people bitching. i as well respect your opinions with a few others. this is what makes America great. GOD BLESS THE US!!!
To Destro_91 i agree with you, i hate that we are over there and i thank you for fighting for our great country ( assuming that you are military). but why did you sign up to be in the military?(again assuming that you are military?) to keep America safe right? well thats exactly what we are doing. I don't understand how people can believe that after we begin a war that it is that cut and dry and we can get out. We are still in vietnam, so what makes people believe that we can just pick up and go from a very hostile country? I honestly believe that McCain will be the best pres because he is a realist, he said in one of his speechs the other day when arnold officially said that he would support them that it might take 5, 10, or maybe even 50 years before we will be able to get out of the middle east. he doesnt bull**** people and tell them what they want to hear, he gives them the truth and that is what matters to me.

[BanginJimmy]

x2, wtf is wrong with Hillary. half of you fools are hating because she is a woman.


actually I hate Hitlery because she is a communist. When I have more time I'll find the quotes, but alot of what she is saying is the same things Lenin was telling the Russian people back in the 1920's.

Things like taking from rich business to help the poor. If you are not on welfare, Hitlery will take everything she can. A friend of mine has a perfect avatar. It says "Work harder, Millions of welfare depend on you". I think thats by far the saddest thing in this country right now.

I dont like the dems especially because of their so called solutions to the illegals. Giving them amnesty is what got us into this in the first place. IMO if you are illegal the govt should take everything they cant carry on their back and auction it. If you harbor them, you should lose your house.