JDM Import business

[tippatone]

On my recent trip to Jamaica, I discovered that all the Hondas over there have CTR motors, and I can get a whole container for roughly $9,500, my two questions are:

How would I go about getting the engines imported into the country and how much would I get charged for a small warehouse to start a JDM engine warehouse. Because I had to go all the way to Canada to get a B20B for $574 while nad auto tried to charge $800. We need another option in the metro Atlanta area, don't you think??

[1CleanEg]

a place called Best Japanese Engines in Marietta has everytype of jdm motor as well. and trannys.

[Vteckidd]

1) Learn about business, supply and demand
2) Learn about economics
3) Learn your market

The reason for the MARK UP in the engines is :
Customs Costs
Warehouse space to house the engines until they are sold
Shipping costs to get them here in the first place
Sales people that sell the engine to you

Its a costly business that requires you to have good quality product taht you can warranty. It takes alot of money to get off the ground. it requires you to almost have to hand pick your inventory.

NadAuto is a good place to buy engines, you pay for QUALITY, something Best Japenese doesnt have

[kfzemx3]

Best Japanese Engines is the best atleast in the mazda world :) 20b they got it 13b rev, klze, they got it bpt 323 gtr engine and tranny they got it. Nad um yea uh we can get it what motor was that again, yea will call you back... still waiting over a year for that phone call and its like the 4th time i've called lol

But as for getting the engines over here, your going to have to contact a company that ships via containers. We had a extremely large group buy a few years back of a bunch of mazda guys that teamed up and imported alot of parts from japan. In doing so the cost of the shipping became minimal as it was split between lots of people. You might try that method, as you'll save money since your splitting the shipping cost with others

[1CleanEg]

1) Learn about business, supply and demand
2) Learn about economics
3) Learn your market

The reason for the MARK UP in the engines is :
Customs Costs
Warehouse space to house the engines until they are sold
Shipping costs to get them here in the first place
Sales people that sell the engine to you

Its a costly business that requires you to have good quality product taht you can warranty. It takes alot of money to get off the ground. it requires you to almost have to hand pick your inventory.

NadAuto is a good place to buy engines, you pay for QUALITY, something Best Japenese doesnt have

So u say the quality of best jap. engines sucks? i have only purchased a tranny from them.

[Vteckidd]

yeah, they sold a friend a OBD0 b16 when he specifically asked for engine. When he realizd it was the wrong one 1 day later they refused to take it back.

Ive seen their engines come with missing electronic parts, bad sensors, bad water pumps, etc.

for the price they charge, it should be perfct engines.

I only deal with NADAUTO and Hmotorsonline.com

[IntegraXTR]

^^^ :werd: nadauto is the best no doubt

[kfzemx3]

yeah, they sold a friend a OBD0 b16 when he specifically asked for engine. When he realizd it was the wrong one 1 day later they refused to take it back.

Ive seen their engines come with missing electronic parts, bad sensors, bad water pumps, etc.

for the price they charge, it should be perfct engines.

I only deal with NADAUTO and Hmotorsonline.com

Your friend picking up the wrong engine i wouldn't say so much is there fault as much as it is his, he should of known what he was going to buy,there in the business of making money.

Bad sensors, bad water pumps and missing electronics, things that should of been inspected before the engines were purchased. I mean come on who puts a motor directly into there car without replacing sensors, water pumps, gaskets, etc... Thats half assed not doing something right, Its a used Motor.

I've personally purchased 3 motors from BJE (and i've haggled on the price of all of them and got them to take off a few hundred each time), all we're in great shape, they allowed me to inspect them and take as much time as i needed to find the one I wanted out of the group. I'm not saying that all there motors were in great condition, there were a few that I would of said needed to go for just parts. But then again i had 20 to choose from and look at each one of them i did in great detail before deciding which one to have the compression test for me before i bought it.

Most of the guys in the car clubs i'm associated with as well have purchased there motors from BJE and have been in great running condition and none of them have had a single problem with there engines, and these motors have been used in road course / autocross / and daily driving 20-30k+ since purchased. Each one of them hand picked there engines and looked over every single option they had, and the conditions of the motor before they picked the engine.

Not saying there is anything wrong with Nadauto from the guys i know that have gotten there engines from them i've herd good things. But your reasoning to say that BJE is a bad company because for your friends partial mistake along with the fact that someone picked a motor that didnt come with everything it was supposed to, or had a bad water pump/sensors well thats not so much the companies fault as it is the person who purchased the motor, after all it is a used motor.

[Vteckidd]

Your friend picking up the wrong engine i wouldn't say so much is there fault as much as it is his, he should of known what he was going to buy.

They should know how to give him the right engine. They are the experts not him. He specifically asked for OBD1 they gave him an OBD0 and refused to take it back.


Bad sensors, bad water pumps and missing electronics, things that should of been inspected before the engines were purchased. And I mean come on who puts a motor directly into there car without replacing sensors, water pumps, gaskets, etc... Thats not doing something right.


So every motor swap you should replace all electronic sensors? I guess i need to jack my prices.

Bad Water pumps= Motors that were **** in the first place or have been sitting for months/years which mean= BAD QUALITY

You SHOULD replace a water pump, ABSOLUTELY, but if a timing belt and water pump is BAD then it has more than 30k miles, im not stupid.

Furthermore, they charge $3500 for GSR swap when you can get it from HMOTORSONLINE.COM for $3000 shipped.

Best japenese doesnt have the QUALITY to charge those kind of prices.



I've personally purchased 3 motors from BJE (and i've haggled on the price of all of them and got them to take off a few hundred each time), all we're in great shape, they allowed me to inspect them and take as much time as i needed to find the one I wanted out of the group. I'm not saying that all there motors were in great condition, there were a few that I would of said needed to go for just parts. But then again i had 20 to choose from and look at each one of them i did in great detail before deciding which one to have the compression test for me before i bought it.

Congrats?


Most of the guys in the car clubs i'm associated with as well have purchased there motors from BJE and have been in great running condition and none of them have had a single problem with there engines, and these motors have been used in road course / autocross / and daily driving 20-30k+ since purchased. Each one of them hand picked there engines and looked over every single option they had, and the conditions of the motor before they picked the engine.
Awesome



Not saying there is anything wrong with Nadauto from the guys i know that have gotten there engines from them i've herd good things. But your reasoning to say that BJE is a bad company because for your friends partial mistake along with the fact that someone picked a motor that didnt come with everything it was supposed to, or had a bad water pump/sensors well thats not so much the companies fault as it is the person who purchased the motor, after all it is a used motor.

It was more than just 1 friend, ive been doing this in Atlanta for 6 years, i know where to get engines from and where not too.

The only places i have had success with is NADAUTO locally.

Tom reccomends PAcific, ive never bought from them, but based on his word i would say they are prob pretty good.

Ive had nothing but trouble with Best JAP and they have abnormally high prices.

[tippatone]

Nads prices are ridculous, passwordjdm has B20b's all day for $549 + shipping, even then you wont pay $800

[Vteckidd]

Rediculous? maybe you just cant do math

Password JDM $549+225=$775
http://passwordjdm.com/B20B-Long-Block-P1582C0.aspx

NadAuto $800 NO SHIPPING

Hmotorsonline.com
$599+ $225 Shipping for 96-98 spec
$749+ $225 Shipping for 99-00 Spec

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?keyword=B20B&go.x=1&go.y=10&what=search

Wow, so Nadauto is REDICULOUS for $25 more in price :gay:

Hmotorsonline is the most expensive at $824 shipped

so you are arguing over $25-49, get a life.

Stop being a cheap a s s , you get what you pay for kid

[bigdare23]

Rediculous? maybe you just cant do math

Password JDM $549+225=$775
http://passwordjdm.com/B20B-Long-Block-P1582C0.aspx

NadAuto $800 NO SHIPPING

Hmotorsonline.com
$599+ $225 Shipping for 96-98 spec
$749+ $225 Shipping for 99-00 Spec

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?keyword=B20B&go.x=1&go.y=10&what=search

Wow, so Nadauto is REDICULOUS for $25 more in price :gay:

Hmotorsonline is the most expensive at $824 shipped

so you are arguing over $25-49, get a life.

Stop being a cheap a s s , you get what you pay for kid


**** $25 alot of money :lmfao:

[bigdare23]

On the real, I hate the fact that the east coast marks up their price to match the west coast after shipping prices. Shipping can't be that much when you are mass shipping items! Damn I was I on the west coast (only for parts).

[Vteckidd]

Again, goes back to my first post:

1) Learn about business, supply and demand
2) Learn about economics
3) Learn your market

Have any of you actually REALLY checked into Importing JDM parts and engines? Its is REALLY EXPENSIVE, especially with shipping.

Shipping fluctuates as much as $25-30 a quarter with Hmotorsonline just due to fuel prices.

The market for a B20 engine is $775-825. I just proved that, out of all 3 places, thats the AVERAGE PRICE. They charge shipping to try an make some extra money, its a business.

If you ever order from Hmotorsonline.com, you see why he charges so much. He crates and wraps every motor. I have never had shipping damage from a Hmotorsonline engine. He takes his time, which i have no problem paying for.

I listed 3 reputable places, PW JDM, HMotors, NADAUTO.

CHances are if you find a motor EXTENSIVELY CHEAPER, then its that way for a reason. You can take the risk all you want. Ive seen it time an time again. CHEAPER PRICES MEAN POOR QUALITY.

YOu cant get a steak dinner for taco bell prices.

The OP said that Nadauto charged too much, i merely showed him that he doesnt know what the cost is for that product, and if he tries to start his own business based on that half a s sed assumption, he will fail.

[Vteckidd]

I discovered that all the Hondas over there have CTR motors


and the fact he said this makes me LOL

[BTLFED]

You cant get a steak dinner for taco bell prices.

Saying stealer! I made that saying up! :tongue1:

You are wasting your breath with Tippatone. Half of IA has already proved how ignorant he is, so just let him do it. When it fails then we have yet another reason to laugh at him.

NadAuto or Pacific Engines locally. Best Japanese is garbage when it comes to Honda engines.

[bigdare23]

{Don't know if your post was toward me Mike}


I know about economics, and I can guarantees the demand is alot less here than over there. Our problem is the supply is also alot less also. So these businesses around here knows that and prey on impatient victims (that gotta have it now). Like I said it sux that everyone is only worried about "me, myself, and I". Anyways, I bet the market would grow on this coast if the market realized price breaks equal more sales.

[tippatone]

Rediculous? maybe you just cant do math

Password JDM $549+225=$775
http://passwordjdm.com/B20B-Long-Block-P1582C0.aspx

NadAuto $800 NO SHIPPING

Hmotorsonline.com
$599+ $225 Shipping for 96-98 spec
$749+ $225 Shipping for 99-00 Spec

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000search.cgi?keyword=B20B&go.x=1&go.y=10&what=search

Wow, so Nadauto is REDICULOUS for $25 more in price :gay:

Hmotorsonline is the most expensive at $824 shipped

so you are arguing over $25-49, get a life.

Stop being a cheap a s s , you get what you pay for kid

You see, thats what IA get, all y'all always assuming, who said I was paying $775 Mr.Kidd since you know it all, I am only paying $574 shipped, and why would I pay $225? Now that would be truly stupid, so hows that for $25 bucks. Here is the links for all the non- believers:
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.com/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=66

So know what you say before you say it. I have been in the Honda/Acura for 7 years and know plenty spots to get stuff, so just because I dont shop with Nad why should I be cheap, I just know how much stuff is worth.

[tippatone]

Saying stealer! I made that saying up! :tongue1:

You are wasting your breath with Tippatone. Half of IA has already proved how ignorant he is, so just let him do it. When it fails then we have yet another reason to laugh at him.

NadAuto or Pacific Engines locally. Best Japanese is garbage when it comes to Honda engines.

This cat is still salty because of my thread about QD,its over get, over it, take your ***** ass to the whoreslounge you **** and let the real men talk about business

[tippatone]

and the fact he said this makes me LOL

What is so funny about that? The honda civic over here comes with d-series motors, while basically all the eg/ek hatch backs have B16B CTR motors
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.com/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=58

[Vteckidd]

tIGERjAPENESE

lol

WORST ENGINE PLACE EVER. All their motors are SHI T

Ask AnclT what his 2JZ looked like, ask Mainstream about their 2JZ swaps, ask Jaime about his 7MGTE and how it had mud inside the motor

you are just a typical cheap ass , youll learn
KID

[tippatone]

tIGERjAPENESE

lol

WORST ENGINE PLACE EVER. All their motors are SHI T

Ask AnclT what his 2JZ looked like, ask Mainstream about their 2JZ swaps, ask Jaime about his 7MGTE and how it had mud inside the motor

you are just a typical cheap ass , youll learn
KID

I have brought two motor from them in the past, no problems, so all that I will learn is dont let anyone spoon feed you crap and try to pass it for pancakes.

[Vteckidd]

{Don't know if your post was toward me Mike}


I know about economics, and I can guarantees the demand is alot less here than over there. Our problem is the supply is also alot less also. So these businesses around here knows that and prey on impatient victims (that gotta have it now). Like I said it sux that everyone is only worried about "me, myself, and I". Anyways, I bet the market would grow on this coast if the market realized price breaks equal more sales.

In Georgia we have
Nadauto.com
Jhot
Jarcoinc
Pacific Imports
Best Japanese
Japenese Imports

There is a place in North or South carolina that is HUGE in imports, the name escapes me.

There is a bunch of places in FL too.

So the supply is definetly there, as long as the product is maintained.

Furthermore, they arent victimizing anyone , CALI is close to Japan homie, of course product is cheaper!

Ever think about what it costs to get JDM motors over HERE to the EAST COAST? someone has to eat that cost ;)

Still goes back to my first post
1) Learn about business, supply and demand
2) Learn about economics
3) Learn your market

THINK IT THROUGH. I lived in Hawaii, shi t was crazy expensive over there, cause they have ti import EVERYTHING.

Cost of doing business.

[Vteckidd]

I have brought two motor from them in the past, no problems, so all that I will learn is dont let anyone spoon feed you crap and try to pass it for pancakes.
Whatever you think all hondas come with CTR motors outside the US

youll learn, you got along way to go.

If you have been in the game for seven years you arent impressing anyone with your complete lack of knowledge lol

[tippatone]

This is to all who plan on building your rides, just do your research and dont spend money unwisely like paying and extra $225 to $250 if it is not needed, that money can go elsewhere, and as for tigerjapanese i never had a problem with their stuff, so if you want to get jerked that on you. And I dont try to impress people, all I know is I have had a total of five Hondas/Acuras in my life and I have my people who I shop with, what is the problem with that?

[tippatone]

Whatever you think all hondas come with CTR motors outside the US

youll learn, you got along way to go.

If you have been in the game for seven years you arent impressing anyone with your complete lack of knowledge lol

Lack of knowledge, what gives you that impression? Because I don't want to give Nad $800 for something I know I can get for a greatly reduced price? You don't know what I know or who I know, so I would like for you to stop assuming things about me

[tippatone]

I know its was a stretch, but I am still going to do it, just probably in another location, probably NY or PA

[Vteckidd]

You see, thats what IA get, all y'all always assuming, who said I was paying $775


You are the one that brought it up


Nads prices are ridculous, passwordjdm has B20b's all day for $549 + shipping, even then you wont pay $800


I just know how much stuff is worth.

Says the kid that started a thread saying:

On my recent trip to Jamaica, I discovered that all the Hondas over there have CTR motors
and


How would I go about getting the engines imported into the country and how much would I get charged for a small warehouse to start a JDM engine warehouse.


So since you have no idea what a wharehouse even costs, or how much it costs to import motors, let alone have any contacts, you hardly know your as s from a hole in the ground.

Ive known friends in the importing business and watched them go out of business. I have ordered 50+ engines from Nadauto and Hmotorsonline as well as Best japanese, Tiger Jap, Jhot and Jarco. Unlike you i have experience with every one plus others that customers supplied. So i know what it costs, and what quality each place has.


No one is stopping you, open up the JDM Importer business, let us know how it works out LOL.

[Vteckidd]

This is to all who plan on building your rides, just do your research and dont spend money unwisely like paying and extra $225 to $250 if it is not needed, that money can go elsewhere, and as for tigerjapanese i never had a problem with their stuff, so if you want to get jerked that on you.
idiot

You cant possibly compare a TigerJap motor to an hmotorsonline.com engine.

A tiger Jap motor has 100k on it MINIMUM. IVE SEEN THEIR ENGINES, I KNOW.

Just cause you dont know QUALITY isnt my fault.

Hell, ask James on here about the H22 that came with a blown headgasket from Tiger.

Im an expert on engine importing, i have the credentials, you, however, think every civic has a CTR motor.

Good luck

[tippatone]

You are the one that brought it up





Says the kid that started a thread saying:

and




So since you have no idea what a wharehouse even costs, or how much it costs to import motors, let alone have any contacts, you hardly know your as s from a hole in the ground.

Ive known friends in the importing business and watched them go out of business. I have ordered 50+ engines from Nadauto and Hmotorsonline as well as Best japanese, Tiger Jap, Jhot and Jarco. Unlike you i have experience with every one plus others that customers supplied. So i know what it costs, and what quality each place has.


No one is stopping you, open up the JDM Importer business, let us know how it works out LOL.

I know you know your stuff, I am not knocking you in any way, as a matter of fact i was going to get my swap done at Battleground but when I called no one answered the phone, so I went to Mainstream, but anyway, I am not from GA so yeah I dont know anyone or have any contacts, so I come to IA trying to find some input or ideas and all i get is crap about Bay and them at Nad are just in charging $800, I here that , but I cant pay$800 when I got one just as good for cheaper.

[tippatone]

idiot

You cant possibly compare a TigerJap motor to an hmotorsonline.com engine.

A tiger Jap motor has 100k on it MINIMUM. IVE SEEN THEIR ENGINES, I KNOW.

Just cause you dont know QUALITY isnt my fault.

Hell, ask James on here about the H22 that came with a blown headgasket from Tiger.

Im an expert on engine importing, i have the credentials, you, however, think every civic has a CTR motor.

Good luck

I didn't say all,if I did I meant most, the hoods I looked under had B16b's, I had two civics in my time trust me i know all about SOHC, I know my Honda/Acura business I dont care what anyone says, I have been schooled by some wise people when I first started in this car tuning thing, I got stacks of Honda Tuning mags and piles of crap from a heavy research, so I know a thing or two.

[tippatone]

Oh yeah your place is in South Carolina and its called rims and things and here is the link since I dont know anything:
http://www.rimsandthings.com/

[Vteckidd]

I know you know your stuff, I am not knocking you in any way, as a matter of fact i was going to get my swap done at Battleground but when I called no one answered the phone, so I went to Mainstream, but anyway, I am not from GA so yeah I dont know anyone or have any contacts, so I come to IA trying to find some input or ideas and all i get is crap about Bay and them at Nad are just in charging $800, I here that , but I cant pay$800 when I got one just as good for cheaper.

Funny how everyone else finds a way to get ahold of me.

Try leaving a message or send an email. We get busy.

Glad you are going to Mainstream, James will take care of you.

But again, what DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD?

Ive already explained why you didnt get something better, you got a less quality of motor, you saved money, congrats. dont call me when it rod knocks, or overheats.

Pop the valve cover the DAY YOU RECEIVE IT AN TAKE PICS, i want to see it.

And no, rims and things is not the name of the place im thinking of

[Vteckidd]

I didn't say all,if I did I meant most, the hoods I looked under had B16b's, I had two civics in my time trust me i know all about SOHC
So every civic over there was a Civic Type-R? what color were they?

We just got back from jamaica, didnt see any CTRs over there.

maybe you are confused

[tippatone]

So every civic over there was a Civic Type-R? what color were they?

We just got back from jamaica, didnt see any CTRs over there.

maybe you are confused

Go to Mandeville in Manchester and when you get there got to the car park and you will see, most of the civic that have d15/16 motors in nthe states have red VC B16B's engines, I know the difference between d and b, if you like I can give you the number to my boy out there he has a 4 door ITR and he can show you all the hooked up civics

[tippatone]

Funny how everyone else finds a way to get ahold of me.

Try leaving a message or send an email. We get busy.

Glad you are going to Mainstream, James will take care of you.

But again, what DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD?

Ive already explained why you didnt get something better, you got a less quality of motor, you saved money, congrats. dont call me when it rod knocks, or overheats.

Pop the valve cover the DAY YOU RECEIVE IT AN TAKE PICS, i want to see it.

And no, rims and things is not the name of the place im thinking of

I will call James and tell him to call you and tell you the condition of the head when the motor is delivered, and as for the message I left one and I am still waiting for a call back, well rims and things is the only spot that i can think of in SC lmk when you remember the other one.

[JRDman]

No offense to the original poster but i own a Road Race shop and shipping / customs from outside the US is a ROYAL *****. Im not calling you dumb but if you knew what it would take you would not of asked.

it takes a TON of money for start up expense especially when you have to have inventory ( all those motors) because in that business you cant wait til someone buys the motor to have it shipped to you so you can ship it to them. that could take weeks and even months if that was the case which most customers wont wait. So you have to fork over the money before hand on motors that typically sell and take gambles on others.

break down for a shop would be
actual space -atleast a 2-3k a month atleast office and warehouse
Insurance- usually a million dollar minimum coverage several hundred a month
shipping- $$$
customs fees-$$$
transport once in the country$$$
how your going to promote?$$$
legal fees for importing$$$
legal fees for business$$$
utilities$$$
etc.$$$$$$$$$$$$

do you get my point?? your best option is to shop around for the best deal or call someone and see what kind of deals they will cut you. you get what you pay for 75% of the time.

hope is helps
CJ

[tippatone]

No offense to the original poster but i own a Road Race shop and shipping / customs from outside the US is a ROYAL *****. Im not calling you dumb but if you knew what it would take you would not of asked.

it takes a TON of money for start up expense especially when you have to have inventory ( all those motors) because in that business you cant wait til someone buys the motor to have it shipped to you so you can ship it to them. that could take weeks and even months if that was the case which most customers wont wait. So you have to fork over the money before hand on motors that typically sell and take gambles on others.

break down for a shop would be
actual space -atleast a 2-3k a month atleast office and warehouse
Insurance- usually a million dollar minimum coverage several hundred a month
shipping- $$$
customs fees-$$$
transport once in the country$$$
how your going to promote?$$$
legal fees for importing$$$
legal fees for business$$$
utilities$$$
etc.$$$$$$$$$$$$

do you get my point?? your best option is to shop around for the best deal or call someone and see what kind of deals they will cut you. you get what you pay for 75% of the time.

hope is helps
CJ

I know there is overhead, that's why I asked so I could could some imput from some of you guys.Its just something to think about I'll be 30 in March and I am planning on opening a business one of these days, and the jdm engine business is something I think I can do with right the people and steady well thought planning

[Barefoot]

you pay for QUALITY, something Best Japenese doesnt have
i agree. my old shop used to use them because they was cheaper than most other places. they would sell motors said to have less than jdm 50k or less miles but most of them we got was crap. not jdm far more than 50k miles. some looked like it had never had an oil change.we picked up a yoda motor for a camary once had to send it back 3 times because they was all bad.

[Nissangeek]

I just wish we had a good place in or near Atlanta where you could go and actually see what it is you're buying before you buy it. Kinda like Summit but for imports. I just think the main problem is that theres not enough of a customer base in the area to support that kind of a store.

[tippatone]

I just wish we had a good place in or near Atlanta where you could go and actually see what it is you're buying before you buy it. Kinda like Summit but for imports. I just think the main problem is that theres not enough of a customer base in the area to support that kind of a store.

You are so right, dont get me wrong, there are alot of import tuners out here but for the most part you see more domestic cars, I guess I have to look to a location in the NC/VA area, the import scene up there is live, I got a friend in Richmond who complains about not having a close source from replacement motors.

[Barefoot]

I just think the main problem is that theres not enough of a customer base in the area to support that kind of a store.
almost correct there is enough of a customer base in the metro area but most are lowballs and or to cheap.

[tippatone]

almost correct there is enough of a customer base in the metro area but most are lowballs and or to cheap.

you got a very valid point.......

[BTLFED]

This cat is still salty because of my thread about QD,its over get, over it, take your ***** ass to the whoreslounge you **** and let the real men talk about business

You mean let the little girl (YOU) try and talk about grown folks business. You know nothing. Go ahead and do it. When it fails, I will be the first to LAUGH AT YOU. Trash.

[BTLFED]

I didn't say all,if I did I meant most, the hoods I looked under had B16b's, I had two civics in my time trust me i know all about SOHC, I know my Honda/Acura business I dont care what anyone says, I have been schooled by some wise people when I first started in this car tuning thing, I got stacks of Honda Tuning mags and piles of crap from a heavy research, so I know a thing or two.

The stuff in bold shows that YOU DON'T KNOW SH!T. Honda Tuning mags?! HAHAHAHHAHA!! You are a joke! I have been doing this for roughly 12 years and had one of the first swapped Hondas in Georgia! You think your pathetic ass can school me or Mr. Kidd?! BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!! We have FORGOTTEN more about Honda performance than you KNOW.

You wanna know about importing things? Talk to Rupertaker on here. That is someone else that has forgotten more about this business than you know. Want proof? Look for his past forsale threads, especially the real deal Civic Type R he was selling and Pur Pur. You have a lot to learn. :no:

Go ahead and start that uber JDM engine import business. Let us know how it goes. :lmfao:

[tippatone]

The stuff in bold shows that YOU DON'T KNOW SH!T. Honda Tuning mags?! HAHAHAHHAHA!! You are a joke! I have been doing this for roughly 12 years and had one of the first swapped Hondas in Georgia! You think your pathetic ass can school me or Mr. Kidd?! BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!! We have FORGOTTEN more about Honda performance than you KNOW.

You wanna know about importing things? Talk to Rupertaker on here. That is someone else that has forgotten more about this business than you know. Want proof? Look for his past forsale threads, especially the real deal Civic Type R he was selling and Pur Pur. You have a lot to learn. :no:

Go ahead and start that uber JDM engine import business. Let us know how it goes. :lmfao:

Why can't you let **** go? How petty can you be? This is an total different subject matter. Show people how simple-minded you are, I never in this thread or in my life said I know more than Mr. Kidd, that would really be stupid, his post put me on to alot of solutions to problems, and rupetaker, i know he has jdm stuff, and whats new, I really know him off ClubCivic, the only thing I said to Mr. Kidd is that I could find a cheaper B20 than Nad was selling, other than that Mr. KIDD IS THE MAN can I say it any clearer. I don't know you,so why you wishing failure on something that deals with my real life not no petty fourm. Was my post that serious? It was fun and games. You have been in the game 12 years and me 7 so I may can learn something from you because at a time you were a newjack so stop the BS and help a tuner trying to come up.

[BTLFED]

Why can't you let **** go? How petty can you be? This is an total different subject matter. Show people how simple-minded you are, I never in this thread or in my life said I know more than Mr. Kidd, that would really be stupid, his post put me on to alot of solutions to problems, and rupetaker, i know he has jdm stuff, and whats new, I really know him off ClubCivic, the only thing I said to Mr. Kidd is that I could find a cheaper B20 than Nad was selling, other than that Mr. KIDD IS THE MAN can I say it any clearer. I don't know you,so why you wishing failure on something that deals with my real life not no petty fourm. Was my post that serious? It was fun and games. You have been in the game 12 years and me 7 so I may can learn something from you because at a time you were a newjack so stop the BS and help a tuner trying to come up.

Way back when everyone around here including me was "newjack." None of us were even close to what goes on here now. Back when I decided to swap my CRX engine the only way you could put a B series engine in it was to weld Place Racing engine mounts in. Nothing was bolt in. You ever heard of East Coast Honda? Me, Trey and Greg started this chapter. It was one of the biggest clubs on the East Coast, and had almost a whole Super Street Mag devoted to us. The bottom line is, I've been around.

Put the other bullsh!t aside from the other thread and PMs. Here is what you are missing. We have been around longer and have dealt with more places and BS than you have and we know who's got what and what is good for the most part. No one knows everything. So you got an engine for dirt ass cheap that was awesome. Great. The point that Mr. Kidd is trying to make is while you may luck up once in a blue moon, you can't get a steak dinner for Taco Bell prices (my phrase damnit, not his). Say you get an engine from a supplier that is dirt ass cheap (like you say), you think that is going to be consistant? Absolutely not. For people that sell engines cheap, it is a crap shoot. If half of the engines they get are good they are happy. You want to take the chance of getting one of the "good ones?" The odds aren't in your favor. You are trying to jump into a field WAY too prematurely.

[tippatone]

Way back when everyone around here including me was "newjack." None of us were even close to what goes on here now. Back when I decided to swap my CRX engine the only way you could put a B series engine in it was to weld Place Racing engine mounts in. Nothing was bolt in. You ever heard of East Coast Honda? Me, Trey and Greg started this chapter. It was one of the biggest clubs on the East Coast, and had almost a whole Super Street Mag devoted to us. The bottom line is, I've been around.

Put the other bullsh!t aside from the other thread and PMs. Here is what you are missing. We have been around longer and have dealt with more places and BS than you have and we know who's got what and what is good for the most part. No one knows everything. So you got an engine for dirt ass cheap that was awesome. Great. The point that Mr. Kidd is trying to make is while you may luck up once in a blue moon, you can't get a steak dinner for Taco Bell prices (my phrase damnit, not his). Say you get an engine from a supplier that is dirt ass cheap (like you say), you think that is going to be consistant? Absolutely not. For people that sell engines cheap, it is a crap shoot. If half of the engines they get are good they are happy. You want to take the chance of getting one of the "good ones?" The odds aren't in your favor. You are trying to jump into a field WAY too prematurely.

Yeah i've heard the horror stories about the "stone age" of Honda/Acura tuning and having to fab stuff and not having mounts because of this was something new. I know its hit or miss with some with some of these engine warehouses, but if I have done business with you in the past and like your product/service I will shop with you again, I am pretty sure that is the case with people like yourself,Mr. Kidd and others, I am sure if you guys go in there you can get a B20B for $650 just because you have a relationship with him, I need to get to that point.......

[01CDMLUDER]

nadauto FTMFW!

[NAIZBST]

nadauto FTMFW!


:werd:

[EmminoDaGreat]

I guess i will be taking some pics huh? lol.

Anyway, as for importers Hmotors (cali) ,NADauto.(local)
Jarco- Just got a motor, seems to have been rebuilt in jdm land, mod'd pretty well, and a total **** luck of having one of the worst clutches i have seen in it. (wear wise)

Jhot- hit or miss
Tiger Jap- Hit or miss, get some really ****ty, get some that are perfect. Missing pieces or broken items alot of the time.

I could guarentee that your tps will be broken from tiger jap, wont happen with hmotors or nad.

[MaRk2k]

yeah when i went to Jamaica almost all the integras there were type r's, even my cousin had one.

[tippatone]

I guess i will be taking some pics huh? lol.

Anyway, as for importers Hmotors (cali) ,NADauto.(local)
Jarco- Just got a motor, seems to have been rebuilt in jdm land, mod'd pretty well, and a total **** luck of having one of the worst clutches i have seen in it. (wear wise)

Jhot- hit or miss
Tiger Jap- Hit or miss, get some really ****ty, get some that are perfect. Missing pieces or broken items alot of the time.

I could guarentee that your tps will be broken from tiger jap, wont happen with hmotors or nad.

I have an LS intake manifold, do you suggest I use it??

[tippatone]

yeah when i went to Jamaica almost all the integras there were type r's, even my cousin had one.

Yeah and they drive crazy .....:burnout:

[rupertaker]

I'll post more on this when I have time, but I just wanted to ask.

Why do you really want to be in this business?

Do you honestly feel that there is a void that you think you can fill? Or you would just like to travel/meet people? Or you think you can make alot of money?

[tippatone]

I'll post more on this when I have time, but I just wanted to ask.

Why do you really want to be in this business?

Do you honestly feel that there is a void that you think you can fill? Or you would just like to travel/meet people? Or you think you can make alot of money?

You know, its all about the love, everytime I drive my or anyone else's Honda/Acura I get some kind of rush or something, so for me it would not be all about the cash, but I would like to make some, who wouldn't. Also meeting people who you can help(or help you) is another thing thats cool about that business. But I dont see how guys like you do it, get your hands on hot JDM s@#t like is nothing.....

[BTLFED]

You know, its all about the love, everytime I drive my or anyone else's Honda/Acura I get some kind of rush or something, so for me it would not be all about the cash, but I would like to make some, who wouldn't. Also meeting people who you can help(or help you) is another thing thats cool about that business. But I dont see how guys like you do it, get your hands on hot JDM s@#t like is nothing.....

Rupertaker is Mr. JDM on here. He knows all the right people. :ninja:

[Tracy]

I also just got back from Jamaica....Mandeville, in fact. Right by the University....Actually, I could hear the girls giggling in the dorm rooms of the University from my bed room at the house I stayed at. It was pretty cool. I had eggs, aki and salt fish ever day for breakfast and sometimes some bread fruit, along with coffee with sweet milk. Then I had white rum for lunch with a beef patty (Dan had chicken). Then for diner I had either jerk pork or jerk chicken with more white rum. Then I would have coffee with rum cream for dessert.

[EmminoDaGreat]

mmm giggling girls.

[JDMJAYDC2]

lol boy tracy sure knows how to take off in a new direction way to go tracy reps if i can lol

[Tracy]

I'm just saying that I just got back from Jamaica, too. The other thing I forgot to mention is that I didn't see a lot of Honda's...in Mandeville or otherwise. From what I saw most of them were Toyota or some other JDM or Russian car I have never heard of.

Oh and I also went to this event they call "wet n slide" in St. Elizabeth/Junction. Basically, it's gymkana but they call it a dexterity competition. It was very cool. They do it in this VERY small parking lot (like the size of a SMALL shopping center), maybe like 50 parking spots. An insurance nightmare. There were like 1500 spectators there and the drivers are amazing. They make me understand that you can ALMOST drift FWD....although it's still not really drifting.

[tippatone]

I'm just saying that I just got back from Jamaica, too. The other thing I forgot to mention is that I didn't see a lot of Honda's...in Mandeville or otherwise. From what I saw most of them were Toyota or some other JDM or Russian car I have never heard of.

Oh and I also went to this event they call "wet n slide" in St. Elizabeth/Junction. Basically, it's gymkana but they call it a dexterity competition. It was very cool. They do it in this VERY small parking lot (like the size of a SMALL shopping center), maybe like 50 parking spots. An insurance nightmare. There were like 1500 spectators there and the drivers are amazing. They make me understand that you can ALMOST drift FWD....although it's still not really drifting.

Like i said, all I SAW were integra type-r's, if you in the island and want to see any modded Hondas, just pm me and i can connect you with some people that get it poppin..........

[tippatone]

Rupertaker is Mr. JDM on here. He knows all the right people. :ninja:

He is almost pimp status when it comes to JDM stuff.....

[Tracy]

Like i said, all I SAW were integra type-r's, if you in the island and want to see any modded Hondas, just pm me and i can connect you with some people that get it poppin..........I don't really care for Honda's, so thanks but no thanks. Maybe thats why I didn't notice all the Type R's hanging around. I know some folks who are poppin', too! They just drive wide body Starlets. So you pm me if you need me to connect you! :tongue1:

lol. For real, do you know anyone from the Montego Bay Motoring Club? I hung out with those guys some. Here is the wet n slide event. http://www.wheelsjamaica.com/wheels_forum/index.php?topic=78142.msg1144571

I also know someone who owns an import/export company right across from the yard. He rally races and is a white Jamaican. Here he is in his Evo V at Dover Raceway (which is being shut down, BTW). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ByqCYSTgAA&feature=related

[Tracy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE-rEt9qAgs&feature=related

not the one I went to, but it shows you how little space they use.

[tippatone]

I don't really care for Honda's, so thanks but no thanks. Maybe thats why I didn't notice all the Type R's hanging around. I know some folks who are poppin', too! They just drive wide body Starlets. So you pm me if you need me to connect you! :tongue1:

lol. For real, do you know anyone from the Montego Bay Motoring Club? I hung out with those guys some. Here is the wet n slide event. http://www.wheelsjamaica.com/wheels_forum/index.php?topic=78142.msg1144571

I also know someone who owns an import/export company right across from the yard. He rally races and is a white Jamaican. Here he is in his Evo V at Dover Raceway (which is being shut down, BTW). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ByqCYSTgAA&feature=related


thats whats up, as for connects, i got alot out there as it stands now, that why i cant visit everone when i go to JA, LOL BTW, nice links.........

[Tracy]

Maurice's Starlet
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/smunroe/MBMC%20WetnSlide%20Dex30%20-%20Dec%2030%202007/P1330207.jpg

[BTLFED]

He is almost pimp status when it comes to JDM stuff.....

Almost? Hah! You have no idea.

[tippatone]

Almost? Hah! You have no idea.

The term pimp does him no justice is what i meant, he is the equivalent of the GQ man of the year LOL

[BTLFED]

Oh LOL

[tippatone]

I saw a CTR that Rupe had for sale last year, i wish i could have sold a kidney,liver or something to get it, i wonder who was the lucky SOB to get it???

[EmminoDaGreat]

Anyway back on your intial argument bout motors.

Here is your tiger jap motor, Ps yes you will need to use ur ls intake manifold.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1588.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1593.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1594.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1592.jpg

[EmminoDaGreat]

decently clean inside (what matters) not so clean on outside, may have some leaky seals.

[tippatone]

decently clean inside (what matters) not so clean on outside, may have some leaky seals. I got some parts and cash i need to drop off, whats a good time on thursday??

[tippatone]

Anyway back on your intial argument bout motors.

Here is your tiger jap motor, Ps yes you will need to use ur ls intake manifold.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1588.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1593.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1594.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1592.jpg

Thank dude, you are the man..........

[Tracy]

I thought the initial argument was about his trip to Jamaica and wanting to import motors :???:

[tippatone]

I thought the initial argument was about his trip to Jamaica and wanting to import motors :???:

It started out that way, but after hearing what the Jdm statesmen (Emmino,Mr. Kidd,Rupe and BTLFED) had to say, I found out it takes alot more than can immagine, what emmino what talking about is earlier, we had a discussion about the quality of tiger jap motors so he posted some pics.....

[Tracy]

It started out that way, but after hearing what the Jdm statesmen (Emmino,Mr. Kidd,Rupe and BTLFED) had to say, I found out it takes alot more than can immagine, what emmino what talking about is earlier, we had a discussion about the quality of tiger jap motors so he posted some pics.....

Oh ok. Just checking. And in reality, it's not that hard if you have done your research and know people in the right places...just as with everything. The gys mentioned are all just elitists pricks who think they know it all....but who am I to judge?

P.S.
Rupertaker aka Bryant aka White Devil is a JDM poser.

[tippatone]

Oh ok. Just checking. And in reality, it's not that hard if you have done your research and know people in the right places...just as with everything. The gys mentioned are all just elitists pricks who think they know it all....but who am I to judge?

P.S.
Rupertaker aka Bryant aka White Devil is a JDM poser.

OMG. LMAO

[Tracy]

OMG. LMAOI speak the truth, but youare semi-new, so I won't gossip :) unless forced.

[Vteckidd]

It started out that way, but after hearing what the Jdm statesmen (Emmino,Mr. Kidd,Rupe and BTLFED) had to say, I found out it takes alot more than can immagine, what emmino what talking about is earlier, we had a discussion about the quality of tiger jap motors so he posted some pics.....
And i was right, that Motor looks like a junk engine. Inside the valve cover looks ok, but the outside of the motor looks like its been dragged through used oil.

If this is CLEAN to you:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1593.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1594.jpg

That motor isnt even in the same league as NAD or Hmotors. James may not want to admit it, but the B20s we got from Nad when i worked there were in 1000 times better shape.

you get what you pay for

[EmminoDaGreat]

why wouldnt i agree lol, that motor is nasty outside. but inside suprised me. I expected it to be worse. Next HMotorsonline or nad i get ill take pix.

[tippatone]

And i was right, that Motor looks like a junk engine. Inside the valve cover looks ok, but the outside of the motor looks like its been dragged through used oil.

If this is CLEAN to you:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1593.jpg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/emminodagreat/IMG_1594.jpg

That motor isnt even in the same league as NAD or Hmotors. James may not want to admit it, but the B20s we got from Nad when i worked there were in 1000 times better shape.

you get what you pay for


As long as it runs, I am not entering a car show or nothing, I only need the motor for a running ride for 2-3 months tops, for the summer is gonig to be "K" all day. But as long as it runs I am not into cosmetics that much

[EmminoDaGreat]

Oh ok. Just checking. And in reality, it's not that hard if you have done your research and know people in the right places...just as with everything. The gys mentioned are all just elitists pricks who think they know it all....but who am I to judge?

P.S.
Rupertaker aka Bryant aka White Devil is a JDM poser.


Thanks for noticing. :D

[Vteckidd]

As long as it runs, I am not entering a car show or nothing, I only need the motor for a running ride for 2-3 months tops, for the summer is gonig to be "K" all day. But as long as it runs I am not into cosmetics that much
are you going to try an find a K series for $1000 because everyone elses price is REDICULOUS

[Vteckidd]

why wouldnt i agree lol, that motor is nasty outside. but inside suprised me. I expected it to be worse. Next HMotorsonline or nad i get ill take pix.
The b20 in Roberts car you could eat off the inside of the valve cover.

That motor you posted pics of has more than 100k miles on it, it is NOT a 25-35K BEST QUALITY ENGINE like Tiger Jap claims it is.

The inside is golden which means it has lots of miles and/or went long intervals between oil changes.

The OP said that NAD AUTO was rediculous in price. That his $500 motor was better or the same.

You just proved he is wrong.

The OP is cheap, and bought a motor that was less expensive not caring about the quality.

I personally dont want customers like that, let along a person that goes into business with the motto:
"As long as it runs, I am not entering a car show or nothing, I only need the motor for a running ride for 2-3 months tops"

you have alot to learn Tippatone

[tippatone]

The b20 in Roberts car you could eat off the inside of the valve cover.

That motor you posted pics of has more than 100k miles on it, it is NOT a 25-35K BEST QUALITY ENGINE like Tiger Jap claims it is.

The inside is golden which means it has lots of miles and/or went long intervals between oil changes.

The OP said that NAD AUTO was rediculous in price. That his $500 motor was better or the same.

You just proved he is wrong.

The OP is cheap, and bought a motor that was less expensive not caring about the quality.

I personally dont want customers like that, let along a person that goes into business with the motto:
"As long as it runs, I am not entering a car show or nothing, I only need the motor for a running ride for 2-3 months tops"

you have alot to learn Tippatone

You got alot to learn also, first off, i know the motors that hmotors or nad might be better, but i had dealt with these folks when i lived in NY and i had a good experience with them, second, i need my integra running right now, i got a jeep and i dont like to drive that gas guzzler because it will break my pockets down, and why would i pay top $$$$ for a engine i plan to swap out in three months? I just need my car to move form work to home, no meets, car shows,nothing of that nature, just a to b right now, now when i get my RSX-s swap, i have a membership to a rebuildable site and if i cant find one there i surely will go to hmotors

PS I am not cheap I am smart, I saved $400 that can go towards my k-series swap, that been my plan all the time, get a resonable price motor, and then go all out with the K, and if this is the reason you dont want me as a customer then fine, I dont have to spend my money with you, when James or Roger get to see me and my $$$$ they will let you know that I spend $$$ on my ride, they will see me fri/sat

[EmminoDaGreat]

I didnt post the pix to start an argument about opinions, i just did it to compare quality of motors for prices. NOW with that being said, you could have gone with a motor from nad, and not have had to bought new seals/or paid for install. So all in all you will probably be around the same price as an engine you could have gotten from nad. And The inside of the VC, Mike, From the outside you could expect much worse, that motor has probably got a good bit of miles. It definately is not as bad as there 2jz insides (you know what im talking about).

Cliffs, im not trying to prove anyone wrong, just showing quality, and you do get what you pay for.

[Vteckidd]

You got alot to learn also, first off, i know the motors that hmotors or nad might be better, but i had dealt with these folks when i lived in NY and i had a good experience with them, second, i need my integra running right now, i got a jeep and i dont like to drive that gas guzzler because it will break my pockets down, and why would i pay top $$$$ for a engine i plan to swap out in three months? I just need my car to move form work to home, no meets, car shows,nothing of that nature, just a to b right now, now when i get my RSX-s swap, i have a membership to a rebuildable site and if i cant find one there i surely will go to hmotors

PS I am not cheap I am smart, I saved $400 that can go towards my k-series swap, that been my plan all the time, get a resonable price motor, and then go all out with the K, and if this is the reason you dont want me as a customer then fine, I dont have to spend my money with you, when James or Roger get to see me and my $$$$ they will let you know that I spend $$$ on my ride, they will see me fri/sat

well now you are changing your argument.

now its:
I need my car running ASAP and i cant afford a better engine.

Before it was:
NAD AUTO rips people off, i got a $500 motor thats perfect.

Pick and argument and stick to it.

[Vteckidd]

just showing quality, and you do get what you pay for.

:goodjob:

[tippatone]

well now you are changing your argument.

now its:
I need my car running ASAP and i cant afford a better engine.

Before it was:
NAD AUTO rips people off, i got a $500 motor thats perfect.

Pick and argument and stick to it.

Stop making assumption and looking like an ass, since you know it all, do you know what kind of money I am working with? Do you know my income? I don't think so, just because I did'nt want to do business with nad it seemed to have ticked you off or something, my first post had nothing to do with my motor, it had to do with Bay telling me i had to pat $800 plus shipping, which i thought was unresonable, thats just me if you want to pay that thats on you but I have more sources to locate the stuff i need, If I was planning on building a B20/VTEC, yes i would have went to another source, but since it was a temp problem, all i needed was a temp solution, did i ever say the engine was perfect? NO, all i was saying is that it will be a running one, remember you said the head gasket most likely will be trashed, that doesn't seem to be the case

[Tracy]

Now GIRLS! All 3 of you are very pretty! Now stop it!

[tippatone]

I didnt post the pix to start an argument about opinions, i just did it to compare quality of motors for prices. NOW with that being said, you could have gone with a motor from nad, and not have had to bought new seals/or paid for install. So all in all you will probably be around the same price as an engine you could have gotten from nad. And The inside of the VC, Mike, From the outside you could expect much worse, that motor has probably got a good bit of miles. It definately is not as bad as there 2jz insides (you know what im talking about).

Cliffs, im not trying to prove anyone wrong, just showing quality, and you do get what you pay for.

When swapping in motors, I dont care where i buy it from I buy a head gasket kit and change the VC gasket, cam seals and all the rest, so a few seals needing to be replaced is nothing, and the outside appearance at this point means little to me, as long as the internals are good so am i

[EmminoDaGreat]

Now GIRLS! All 3 of you are very pretty! Now stop it!


You're pretty handsome yourself. :crazy:

[Vteckidd]

just because I did'nt want to do business with nad it seemed to have ticked you off or something, my first post had nothing to do with my motor, it had to do with Bay telling me i had to pat $800 plus shipping, which i thought was unresonable,

For the last time:

Yeah it ticks me off, you trashed a business without even know why. That **** pisses me off, thats peoples livelihood you are messing with. You come on some website and openly trash a company because you THINK they are ripping you off.

You state you have no idea how the business works yet you are claiming how people are ripping you off.

YOu change your arguement because you cant win.

You then try to trash my business because im calling you out on your BS.

In the future, think before you post, dont trash a business that has done nothing wrong but quote you a price for a SUPERIOR product.

Take your BANKROLL somewhere that cares.

Dont try to act like a baller when you are bitchin about a $800 motor. I have $800 in my LSD, let alone anything else on the car.

KID

[tippatone]

Now GIRLS! All 3 of you are very pretty! Now stop it!

I am not the one beating a dead horse, I left it alone when I purchased my B20, Mr. Kidd is the one saying he does not need a customer like me so he does not have to worry about me spending $$$ with him or asking him anything, I dont see what the problem is if I got my people who I shop with, I am comfortable dealing with them, I wont do business with people who try to get over on me, basically I thought Bay is charging me extra because he thought I didn't know any better and I can't stand for that.

[Vteckidd]

When swapping in motors, I dont care where i buy it from I buy a head gasket kit and change the VC gasket, cam seals and all the rest, so a few seals needing to be replaced is nothing, and the outside appearance at this point means little to me, as long as the internals are good so am i
so you are ok with Tiger Japenese lying to you about their 25K mile engine?

You would rather replace seals on a 100k mile motor to "save money" when you could have bought a 30K mile motor from Nad or Hmotors?

retarded

i refuse to argue with you further, you are just a waste of time