Takata makes what???

[skillzilla]

So I work tech support for a smallish software company that produces a network monitoring program. This guy calls in and I notice instantly that hes calling from Takata industries, and I ask "Hey you work for Takata? The green harness makers right??"

Well, turns out he does, but has no ****ing idea what Im talking about since he works in the baby seat department! :) Come to find out Takata makes all kinds of stuff: baby seat harnesses, OEM seatbelts, tie-down straps, etc. Anything that needs webbed nylon belting, they make it. Had a funny convo with him though, it was pretty interesting., He had no idea his company makes the #1 harness in JGTC racing :)


And no, his ***** ass wouldnt give me a hookup.

[Elbow]

Yeah....surprise a "JDM" fag company makes things other then harnesses lol. Takata FTMFL....anyone who wears a 4 point Takata is stupid, and anyone who spends that much is VERY stupid...you can buy a REAL 5 point camlock harness from an American company 10x cheaper ;)

[Big Baller]

Yeah....surprise a "JDM" fag company makes things other then harnesses lol. Takata FTMFL....anyone who wears a 4 point Takata is stupid, and anyone who spends that much is VERY stupid...you can buy a REAL 5 point camlock harness from an American company 10x cheaper ;)

LOL not only that but you can buy a full custom 6 point harness built in any color you want for less.

Takata is a joke.

[JDMrequired]

haters :(

[skillzilla]

haters :(

Seriously.

Takatas are sick, you guys just dont like the price :)

[Elbow]

How are they sick?? lolol

[skillzilla]

They are sick harnesses, I dont know how else to say it?

Ummm, gee whiz Wally, Takatas sure are swell harnesses!

[JDMrequired]

people just like them because they look good, its like wearing some fresh nikes

thats that

[Big Baller]

Its ****ing green webbing, thats all

[Alan®]

I never saw the point in 4 point harnesses much less over priced green ones

[skillzilla]

people just like them because they look good, its like wearing some fresh nikes

thats that

couldnt have said it better myself.

[Elbow]

I never saw the point in 4 point harnesses much less over priced green ones

Exactly

And Nikes dont kill when you wreck. 4 points do. ;)

[skillzilla]

4 pts dont kill you when you wreck if they are installed correctly. When people put them in with the wrong angle on the straps its their own damn fault. Plus, if youre dropping a grand on takatas you can most likely afford a $300 harness bar.

[Elbow]

4 pts dont kill you when you wreck if they are installed correctly. When people put them in with the wrong angle on the straps its their own damn fault. Plus, if youre dropping a grand on takatas you can most likely afford a $300 harness bar.

Yeah you are right, because a harness bar is safe... :umno: And those submarine belts mandated in every form of real motorsport is just to cause a headache :doh: You ever been in a car with a 4 point? What keeps that camlock from going through your stomach in a wreck? :???:

[JITB]

everythign thats cool in the US, isnt ever THAT cool in japan....

[SouthSide Tay]

4 point or not takata makes nice harness' but i perfer sparco 6 point to me but thats because a cant afford takata

[Whiteboy™]

I know for a fact that the oem seat belts in an EF are manufactured by Takata

[skillzilla]

Yeah you are right, because a harness bar is safe... :umno: And those submarine belts mandated in every form of real motorsport is just to cause a headache :doh: You ever been in a car with a 4 point? What keeps that camlock from going through your stomach in a wreck? :???:

Please explain how the camlock is going to "go through your stomach." Unless you have the harness adjusted WAY wrong (i.e. tightening the shoulder straps and letting the lap straps ride really high up) it wouldnt be any different than an OEM belt. The camlock does obviously protrude more than a factory lap belt, but its not going to impale you; if it was, it would in a race situation also.

As far as submarining goes, same deal really. If adjusted properly I dont see why a 4-pt would have a greater risk of submarining over a factory belt. Again, if youre pulling the lap belt up too high when you tighten the shoulder belts then all bets are off.

And yes I have been in a car with with racing harnesses.

[Elbow]

For starters, a harness bar is not safe, roll over with a harness and no roll over protection, not a good idea.

Second, a 4 point CAN ride up in the event of a wreck. There is QUITE a bit of force in a wreck.

For autocross, a drift event, things like that, a 4 point is fine, chances of wrecking are slim, and the speeds are fairly low. For the other guy, 6 point Sparcos, nice, but $$$$ lol.

If you want total specifics why it's not safe, search, I don't know every technical detail, but it is just common sense WHY it looks wrong. I've had 4 points before, nice ones, even ones wrapped around a cage. I was scared every day lol.

4 point harnesses, including your sick Takatas, are not track legal. For a reason.

[skillzilla]

Thats definitely true about the rollover protection, and it is the main (and usually only) reason people advise against using race harnesses on the street. Well, that and the fact that only one brand of harness that I know of is DOT legal, and it aint Takata :)

But you never mentioned a rollover situation, you were talking about submarining and getting sepuku'd by the camlock. I think youre full of it.

[Elbow]

If you crash, you move forward, your belt is pulled up, nothing is holding it down.

[skillzilla]

**sigh**

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one I guess.

[JDMrequired]

If you want total specifics why it's not safe, search, I don't know every technical detail, but it is just common sense WHY it looks wrong.






if this is becoming a common sense issue, then let me give my ameteur & equally important opinion

ok. so a factory seatbelt is a strap that crosses the torso & a strap over the waist, right, so a 4-point harness also has a waist strap, but instead of a single torso belt, there are two that connect to a camlock in the center of the waist rather than just 1 coming from a lock on your right side.....where is the hazard?

[AnthonyF]

some sh*t is way over priced.


but kinda kool that u talked to a rep who didnt know sh*t. lol.

[BTLFED]

The funniest part of this? Takata makes 5 and 6 point harnesses too, and are FIA approved, and used all over the world yet you can't use them for racing here? Are you people serious? Besides them being expensive, you Takata haters don't have any leg to stand on here. Like it or not, they are harnesses that are used successfully in all types of racing all over the world.

Ignorance is bliss though, I guess. :rolleyes:

http://www.takataracingproducts.com/#home_top

[AnthonyF]

If i could afford 5 pt harness, id prob go with sparco. just personal prefernce. not hating on takata.

[BTLFED]

If i could afford 5 pt harness, id prob go with sparco. just personal prefernce. not hating on takata.

I have 5 point Cam Lock Sparcos in my CRX. I'm not saying that everyone should pay that outrageous price for Takatas. What I am saying is that contrary to the belief in this thread Takata is NOT an inferior belt. It's just expensive.

[AnthonyF]

I have 5 point Cam Lock Sparcos in my CRX. I'm not saying that everyone should pay that outrageous price for Takatas. What I am saying is that contrary to the belief in this thread Takata is NOT an inferior belt. It's just expensive.

quality comes with a price.

[wantboost]

takata makes the stock 240sx seatbelts :P

[speedminded]

Three and four point harnesses are street legal but they are not race legal for a reason...lol, you can't even think about defending their safety compared to a 5 or 6 point.

As for Takata making OEM parts, how many patents do you think there are for a piece of nylon webbing? It's like Brembo and brake rotors, most of the no name rotors you get from autoparts stores are made by Brembo.

[JDMrequired]

The funniest part of this? Takata makes 5 and 6 point harnesses too, and are FIA approved, and used all over the world yet you can't use them for racing here? Are you people serious? Besides them being expensive, you Takata haters don't have any leg to stand on here. Like it or not, they are harnesses that are used successfully in all types of racing all over the world.

Ignorance is bliss though, I guess. :rolleyes:

http://www.takataracingproducts.com/#home_top


word

[Elbow]

I am talking about 4 point Takatas which is what 99% of street cars use.

And arguing at the high price of them, for just about the same quality as anyone else.

[skillzilla]

Three and four point harnesses are street legal but they are not race legal for a reason.

False, Schroth makes the only DOT and FMVSS approved racing harnesses that I know of.

[Elbow]

What's FMVSS. If it is 4 point, it's not legal.

[skillzilla]

Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/FMVSS/index.html)


If it is 4 point, it's not legal.

False again. Schroth Ralleye 3 and 4 pt harnesses are 100% street legal when installed correctly.

http://www.schrothracing.com/main/Engineering

[Elbow]

Oh I thought your post said legal for racing. nvm And I have not been false yet.... :thinking:

[EJ25RUN]

so im confused....

is this post on a takata product?

or

the false belief that Takata makes horrible products?

[skillzilla]

It started as a funny story, turned into a hater thread on takata harness prices, then switched seamlessly into a debate on the safety/legality of racing harnesses for street use.


http://www.takata.co.jp/images/ta07/fh_img01.jpg

[Elbow]

No it was a hate to $300 4 point harnesses, just because they look cool. Honestly I don't care. Then it turned into saftey things for the price, etc etc. lol

[skillzilla]

http://www.cobbforums.com/forums/images/COBB_ms3_Tarzan.jpg

[afwfjustin]

if this is becoming a common sense issue, then let me give my ameteur & equally important opinion

ok. so a factory seatbelt is a strap that crosses the torso & a strap over the waist, right, so a 4-point harness also has a waist strap, but instead of a single torso belt, there are two that connect to a camlock in the center of the waist rather than just 1 coming from a lock on your right side.....where is the hazard?

Nobody answered your question and I think it's worth answering due to safety. In case of a rollover, the OEM 3 point allows you to lean forward or to the side to protect your head. With a harness, you are stuck in place and your head could be crushed. If you're running a harness without a roll cage, good luck to you.

[yudalicious]

The OEM 3pt belt allows your upper body to lean forward to avoid submarining, 4pt doesn't. In an event of crash and possible submarining, bye bye organs. The reason why Schroth 4pt belts are DOT legal is that they have a provision that allows movement just like a OEM 3pt... and I don't know anyone that runs them for HPDE, only for autocross.

Bottom line: spending alot of money on non-approved 4 pt takata belts (or even the approved 5/6pt belts) when there's equal quality and cheaper alternatives = ultimate fanboy. What's next, cusco bolt in cages for ultimate roll over protection? They ARE jdm blue.




Please explain how the camlock is going to "go through your stomach." Unless you have the harness adjusted WAY wrong (i.e. tightening the shoulder straps and letting the lap straps ride really high up) it wouldnt be any different than an OEM belt. The camlock does obviously protrude more than a factory lap belt, but its not going to impale you; if it was, it would in a race situation also.

As far as submarining goes, same deal really. If adjusted properly I dont see why a 4-pt would have a greater risk of submarining over a factory belt. Again, if youre pulling the lap belt up too high when you tighten the shoulder belts then all bets are off.

And yes I have been in a car with with racing harnesses.

[afwfjustin]

^ That's exactly what I said :) The Cusco comment was a good add-in though. I wouldn't trust one of those either...

[yudalicious]

^ That's exactly what I said :) The Cusco comment was a good add-in though. I wouldn't trust one of those either...

well, aside from preventing you from crushing your head, the OEM 3 pt will also prevent submarining, whereas a 4pt (like the Takata) won't. The Schroth 4pt is able to be DOT because it makes a provision for that on the material of a certain part of the belt. I wouldn't rock a cusco cage because blue is out, pink is the new jdm.

[Elbow]

Well said, and lol at the Cusco comment.

[speedminded]

False, Schroth makes the only DOT and FMVSS approved racing harnesses that I know of.Repeat one thing I said that was false. I've worked and crewed for one of the few major Schroth harness distributors in the southeast and used them in all the race and street cars.

..but i never mentioned anything about who made what. I was making the point that 3 and 4 points are not legal in racing for a reason...they aren't made for high speed accidents and do not provide the protection needed in a roll over. Four points on the street in a car that never exceeds the speed limit is plenty of protection.

[afwfjustin]

I wouldn't rock a cusco cage because blue is out, pink is the new jdm.

:D

[JDMrequired]

Nobody answered your question and I think it's worth answering due to safety. In case of a rollover, the OEM 3 point allows you to lean forward or to the side to protect your head. With a harness, you are stuck in place and your head could be crushed. If you're running a harness without a roll cage, good luck to you.

thanks for answering...but i still dont see why...most people in a crash, especially high speed or a rollover, dont even have enough time to say "oh ****!", much less react quick enough to move their body to the left or right to avoid being crushed.....

[The Yousef]

Ummm, gee whiz Wally, Takatas sure are swell harnesses!

i literally LOL'd at that comment... :lmfao:

[jaystar]

ppl who cant afford it always *****

[YokotaS13]

I never saw the point in 4 point harnesses much less over priced green ones
never been to a track day huh?

[speedminded]

thanks for answering...but i still dont see why...most people in a crash, especially high speed or a rollover, dont even have enough time to say "oh ****!", much less react quick enough to move their body to the left or right to avoid being crushed.....lolol *sigh* 3 point belts DO NOT hold you in place in serious accidents. That is a GOOD thing because without a cage a normal vehicle does crush on impact. The lap belts prior to the 80's injured people internals on impact so the 3 point was introduced enabling the impact to be absorbed over a larger area of the body...they are not meant to hold you in place securely like a race harness, it's just to prevent you from smashing your face into the steering wheel and windshield.

[Elbow]

ppl who cant afford it always *****

:umno:

[JDMrequired]

it's just to prevent you from smashing your face into the steering wheel and windshield.


airbags are useful too