The price of Illegal aliens in the US.

[ZeDFuNk]

This is unbelievable.

Included are the URL's for verification of the following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
& nbsp; http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such
as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medic aid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html)

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born
children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPT S/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by
the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two
and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html)

11. During the year of 2006 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that
crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine
and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland
Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass
deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of
between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf (http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf)

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
their countries of origin. http://ww (http://ww/) w.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whooping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR !



So essentially Yousef/Thinkfast/Rican/Julio. You're costing us CITIZENS $338.3 billion dollars. Die.

[Schugg]

thats ghey, i think im going to go border patrol as my next job

[Maniac1]

LOLOL!!

Wetbacks - 39827498127497294

Crackers - 0

[Crazy Asian]

I hate thee illegal aliens. And no Im not an illegal alien, born here in the US.

[Alan®]

i think the numbers are flawed on the medical as los angles county is something like half a billion dollars a year on illegals. saw something on the news about it. but its because of them that everyones health care is so damn expensive. why do you think its $500 for an asprine?

[silversol]

So a 80ft tall electric fence.and more border patrol agents would save the u.s people millions of dollars a year!

[Alan®]

yup and its already been proven in san diego and new mexico

[Ran]

$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)Incarcerate? Just shoot on sight then use the bodies to heat furnaces at local orphanages.
:police:

[Alan®]

the problem isn't really fences and more border patrol agents. the problem is that state and local governments are not enforcing federal laws already there. it can take years to deport one illegal because they have to pay out of their own pocket to get shipped back to wherever the **** they came from so what happens?they sit in our jails soaking up thousands of dollars in taxes to house clothe and feed them while they sit in jail awaiting deportation

[silversol]

Incarcerate? Just shoot on sight then use the bodies to heat furnaces at local orphanages.
:police:
or just let a bunch of redrecks sit on the fence and practice for deer season year round! :D

[ZeDFuNk]

Incarcerate? Just shoot on sight then use the bodies to heat furnaces at local orphanages.
:police:


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Crazy Asian]

Hahahah make hte border a shooting range. READY SET FIRE!!!!!

[SampaGuy]

So essentially Yousef/Thinkfast/Rican/Julio. You're costing us CITIZENS $338.3 billion dollars. The government should create a path to citizenship for you so you could be taxed and we wouldnt have this problem.

fixed

[ATK_Designs]

wow......crazy....I say we let the illegal ones patrol the border. If he lets someone through, we kick him back and that person gets his job. lol.

[Crazy Asian]

And then unleash mole men underground so they cant come through under ground. :D

[coolcat]

That sounds like some republican propaganda B.S. if you ask me, there's no way they are spending THAT much.

[SampaGuy]

Quoting websites like "Federation for American Immigration Reform" is retarded, they are biased as hell. I can probably quote a pro-immigration website that says illegals create thousands of zillions of money for the economy.

[SampaGuy]

That sounds like some republican propaganda B.S. if you ask me, there's no way they are spending THAT much.

Yea. Still less than they are spending on Iraq though :lmfao:

[ZeDFuNk]

That sounds like some republican propaganda B.S. if you ask me, there's no way they are spending THAT much.

Dolt.

[juan b]

Incarcerate? Just shoot on sight then use the bodies to heat furnaces at local orphanages.
:police:
or should shoot every ugly fat girl they see.

[ZeDFuNk]

LOLOL!!

Wetbacks - 39827498127497294

Crackers - 0

lol forgot to include you and speedmonkey.. go back to your country you sumbrero wearin bean dippin border hoppin assholes!

[Kaiser]

Most of this massive spending could be cured by only allowing citizens and legal aliens access to things like Welfare and other aid-benefit programs. I will never understand why the government feels it's neccessary to extend programs like this to people who are in the country illegally. Just cut them off. It's not cruel, it's Rule of Law. Government is not a charity like so many people seem to think it is.

[ZeDFuNk]

or just deport them and snipe them if they try to come back. pretty simple.

[BKgen®]

http://www.notmytribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/wall-barrier-fence-tower.jpg

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[Kaiser]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GKtib® again.

:(

[BKgen®]

damn that would be awesome. hell, i'd even take time off work to help build the b itch.

[ZeDFuNk]

damn that would be awesome. hell, i'd even take time off work to help build the b itch.

build one along the border of canada too.. cuz that's where all the god damn cold air comes from!

[Vayda]

build one along the border of canada too.. cuz that's where all the god damn cold air comes from!

QFT

[Spektrewing386]

i thought you had to be a legal citizen (had a SSN and stuff) to be eligable for Welfare and food stamps and stuff like that.

[ZeDFuNk]

i thought you had to be a legal citizen (had a SSN and stuff) to be eligable for Welfare and food stamps and stuff like that.


NOPE.

[Lucky.]

LoL at you guys, do the websites also incluide all the money illegal aliens make for you americans working for half the money you fat ****s ask for?

[Z0_o6]

HEY we found one. SHOOT HIM.

[CRXchic19]

Dolt.

dude....what ever happened to that badass CRX ??? :D

[Alan®]

LoL at you guys, do the websites also incluide all the money illegal aliens make for you americans working for half the money you fat ****s ask for?
your an idiot. Illegals send hundreds of billions of dollars back to mexico so explain to me how they are making us money? The argument that illegals only work jobs that American's don't want is completely garbage. I have worked jobs that "only illegals will do" like landscaping and **** like that. I'm going to do some research and come back and post up what i have found since I can't remember all the numbers. I had to do a research paper on this last year so let me see if i can find some of my sources again.

[ZeDFuNk]

dude....what ever happened to that badass CRX ??? :D


...? you lost me

[ZeDFuNk]

LoL at you guys, do the websites also incluide all the money illegal aliens make for you americans working for half the money you fat ****s ask for?

oh yea, the extra $1000 a year some idiot isn't spending to hire a legal citizen really pays off with all the $1,000's of is tax dollars go to housing the illegals.. But you're right, a few 1,000 is definitely equal to $338.3 BILLION dollars.


jackass.

[b16ftw]

gah that makes me sick.

[Lucky.]

lol damn, i didnt know we had so many racist people on IA, WHITE POWER!!!! roflmao

[Alan®]

lol damn, i didnt know we had so many racist people on IA, WHITE POWER!!!! roflmao
again your an idiot :crazy: What does the fact that someone doesn't like the fact that we are paying out more than we should in medical care because there are so many illegals in this country have to do with someone being a racist.

[ZeDFuNk]

lol damn, i didnt know we had so many racist people on IA, WHITE POWER!!!! roflmao

Im simply stating facts, backed up with evidence, thus making them facts. How is that racist? you're an idiot.

[Lucky.]

Im simply stating facts, backed up with evidence, thus making them facts. How is that racist? you're an idiot.
Then why are you getting upset? Did I say "ZeDFuNK" is racist? NO, so dont worry about it playa

[Lucky.]

go back to your country you sumbrero wearin bean dippin border hoppin assholes!

OUCH! that seemed like a racist comment, but dont mind me though.

[ZeDFuNk]

OUCH! that seemed like a racist comment, but dont mind me though.

a joke maybe? :thinking: they're all legal and i always make fun of them. step off *****.

[Vteckidd]

i have a hard time believing those figures, and those only show one side.

they dont show the positives that illegals bring.

They dont compare their data with other minorities like blacks, asians, etc.

Im all for getting rid of illegal immigrants, but i think these numbers are skewed

[BKgen®]

LoL at you guys, do the websites also incluide all the money illegal aliens make for you americans working for half the money you fat ****s ask for?

so... does that mean you're not one? It never ceases to amaze me how some people can b!tch moan and complain about this country, while at the same time enjoy the freedom of living in it. feel free to row your boat back to whereever the fuck you came from.

[ZeDFuNk]

i have a hard time believing those figures, and those only show one side.

they dont show the positives that illegals bring.

They dont compare their data with other minorities like blacks, asians, etc.

Im all for getting rid of illegal immigrants, but i think these numbers are skewed

The negatives heavily outweigh the "positive influence" (even though positive illegal alien influence is like an oxymoron) of illegals in this country. They need to just fix the problem. The Figures are fact..

It's sad when people get butt hurt and ignore fact.

You can argue opinion. You can even argue hypothesis. You cannot argue fact.

[The Yousef]

So essentially Yousef/Thinkfast/Rican/Julio. You're costing us CITIZENS $338.3 billion dollars. Die.

why was my name first?

:2up:

[§treet_§peed]

in all honesty it would be way cheaper for us to just go and take over mexico

[ZeDFuNk]

why was my name first?

:2up:

CUZ I DONT LIKE UR KAIND!

[§treet_§peed]

i have a hard time believing those figures, and those only show one side.

they dont show the positives that illegals bring.

They dont compare their data with other minorities like blacks, asians, etc.

Im all for getting rid of illegal immigrants, but i think these numbers are skewed i have to disagree with you some what on this one... i mean i don't know how much but it is prolly way up there with those numbers

[ZeDFuNk]

in all honesty it would be way cheaper for us to just go and take over mexico

you first, that's like taking over a porty potty.

[BKgen®]

in all honesty it would be way cheaper for us to just go and take over mexico

wouldn't it be hard to build on top of shit?

[§treet_§peed]

^ but after we took over mexico think about it.. all the money that they send over there would stay in america and we could get cheaper labor and we wouldn't spend so much on boarder patrol and if they wanna come to america guess what they don't even have to leave their houses cause they are already there.

[ZeDFuNk]

wouldn't it be hard to build on top of shit?

It'd be like building on the set of Hellboy.

[§treet_§peed]

wouldn't it be hard to build on top of shit? and who says we have to build anything?

[ZeDFuNk]

^ but after we took over mexico think about it.. all the money that they send over there would stay in america and we could get cheaper labor and we wouldn't spend so much on boarder patrol and if they wanna come to america guess what they don't even have to leave their houses cause they are already there.

and we'd have a million more citizens and have to provide a million more LEGITAMATE jobs and have a whole new revolution about rights. Your idea sucks.

[§treet_§peed]

How so? think about it logically we spend more money that it is worth in the first place. i like most mexicans so don't go saying i am racist when i say this. but i think if anyone of them tries to cross the border illegally they should be shot. that is what they do in most countries anyways.

[BKgen®]

It'd be like building on the set of Hellboy.

http://premium1.uploadit.org/brandonp47//BadPost.jpg

[ZeDFuNk]

http://premium1.uploadit.org/brandonp47//BadPost.jpg

:lmfao: :lmfao:

[SampaGuy]

guess what, 99.999999% of illegals would gladly pay taxes if u just let them...

[ZeDFuNk]

http://premium1.uploadit.org/brandonp47//BadPost.jpg

:lmfao: :lmfao:

[Alan®]

According to the Center for Imigration Studies. In 2000 there were 7,000,000 illegal aliens living in the U.S. and that number grows by half a million a year putting us at 11,000,000 this year. But really that number is higher because in their studies they remove from the total number of illegals who either die during the year or who are sent back to the home country. Bringing that number to almost a million a year.http://www.cis.org/topics/illegalimmigration.html

And the census Beureau actually says that we were at 12 million last year. So For argumentative purposes lets call it 10 million. These 10 million illegals send approximately (according to a biased sitewww.noinvaders.org)$56 billion dollars (I buy it because every number I have ever seen is around $50 million)

Illegals now make up aproximately approximately make up 5% of the work force as well.

Some other things to think about:

Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.


Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).


With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.


On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.


Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.


If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.


Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status -- what most illegal aliens would become -- can access government programs, but still tend to make very modest tax payments.


Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs would rise by 118 percent.


The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain -- many legal immigrants are highly skilled.


The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.


The results of this study are consistent with a 1997 study by the National Research Council, which also found that immigrants' education level is a key determinant of their fiscal impact.

[idriveasloweclipse]

I bet the native americans wish they built a wall, the first white "americans" were the dangerous immigrants. If we did fix the problem with illegal immigration, the republicans will just make something else up to scare their children.

[Ruiner]

i have a hard time believing those figures, and those only show one side.

they dont show the positives that illegals bring.

They dont compare their data with other minorities like blacks, asians, etc.

Im all for getting rid of illegal immigrants, but i think these numbers are skewed

I hate to tell you, but those numbers came primarily from CNN if you look at the links. CNN is known for being rather liberal. I have a feeling that the numbers are conservative, if anything. If FoxNews published the same numbers, they would probably be more.

Just look at Grady Memorial. It is about to shut down because of so many people that aren't paying for their services. GA has one of the, if not the, highest growth rate for Illegals in the COUNTRY...the entire US in terms of percentages. The new law that bans companies for hiring illegals is helping to reduce that.

You can't argue with the facts. Illegal immigrating is costing the US billions a year. It's a problem.

[Ruiner]

I bet the native americans wish they built a wall, the first white "americans" were the dangerous immigrants. If we did fix the problem with illegal immigration, the republicans will just make something else up to scare their children.

You hug a lot of trees, don't you?

[iloveboost]

I hate to tell you, but those numbers came primarily from CNN if you look at the links. CNN is known for being rather liberal. I have a feeling that the numbers are conservative, if anything. If FoxNews published the same numbers, they would probably be more.

Just look at Grady Memorial. It is about to shut down because of so many people that aren't paying for their services. GA has one of the, if not the, highest growth rate for Illegals in the COUNTRY...the entire US in terms of percentages. The new law that bans companies for hiring illegals is helping to reduce that.

You can't argue with the facts. Illegal immigrating is costing the US billions a year. It's a problem.
What is your source for this? I'd love to see it.

FYI; illegal immigrants aren't the only ones that use Grady and don't pay for their services. Look at the average household debt of Americans, LOL!

I dislike leeches just as much as the next guy but let's keep the stupid, biased opinions to a minimum. Just because it says so on a website on the internet doesn't make it true.

[tony]

your an idiot. Illegals send hundreds of billions of dollars back to mexico so explain to me how they are making us money? The argument that illegals only work jobs that American's don't want is completely garbage. I have worked jobs that "only illegals will do" like landscaping and **** like that. I'm going to do some research and come back and post up what i have found since I can't remember all the numbers. I had to do a research paper on this last year so let me see if i can find some of my sources again.

When federal tax is witheld from an immigrants check do you really think they get that back? They're paying into Social Security, Federal Taxes, Medicare etc. furthermore they bring economic activity to the US economy.. not all immigrants come here and shoot every dime back to Mexico.

Also since they are not subject to minimum wages that tends to keep prices down so realize what you are asking for in getting rid of illegal immigrants expect a nice jump in inflation.

I dont support illegal immigration but I will call a spade a spade. In all of those statistics I can almost guarantee you the U.S results in a net profit from illegal immigration. (which is the reason why the government is not quick to resolve it)

This is a problem created by the U.S trust me.. criticizing individuals for trying to do what is best for theirselves and their families is hypocritical since we strive to achieve that very same thing every day.

[tony]

I bet the native americans wish they built a wall, the first white "americans" were the dangerous immigrants. If we did fix the problem with illegal immigration, the republicans will just make something else up to scare their children.

reps

[HalfBaked]

in all honesty it would be way cheaper for us to just go and take over mexico
LOL, that country has way too many issues.

Why you think everyone leaves there to come here.

[JITB]

whos fault the immigrants or the government?

[Ruiner]

What is your source for this? I'd love to see it.

FYI; illegal immigrants aren't the only ones that use Grady and don't pay for their services. Look at the average household debt of Americans, LOL!

I dislike leeches just as much as the next guy but let's keep the stupid, biased opinions to a minimum. Just because it says so on a website on the internet doesn't make it true.

http://kerryfoxlive.com/wordpress/?p=2697


Georgia has the fastest-growing illegal immigrant population in the nation (http://kerryfoxlive.com/wordpress/?cat=20), more than doubling in the last five years, according to a federal report released Friday.

From 2000-2005, Georgia’s population of illegal immigrants jumped to an estimated 470,000, an increase of 114 percent, a U.S. Department of Homeland Security report said.

The increase far eclipsed the state with the next-fastest growth — Arizona — which had an increase of 45 percent.


http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/31/illegal.immigration/


Although California is home to the most undocumented immigrants, Arizona, Georgia and North Carolina have the greatest rate of increase, the figures showed.


http://www.thedustininmansociety.org/articles/dak_mdj/art_dak_mdj_2005jun10.html

Illegal immigration is a national problem and Georgia has one of the largest and fastest-growing populations of illegal aliens in the entire nation.


http://www.hispanictips.com/2005/11/03/georgia-latinos-among-fastest-growing-in-nation/


“A report released Monday by the National Council of La Raza shows Georgia as home to the third fastest-growing Latino population in the country in 2004.





I can go on and on and on....





Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem in Georgia.

[iloveboost]

Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem in Georgia.
Aside from complaining on the internet, what are you doing about it?

This is fun.

I don't want it to seem like I'm calling you out. This is to everyone complaining in this thread. You guys must be pretty proactive in helping with this devastating problem our country has, right?

[iloveboost]

Here are some tips for those that do not support illegal immigration.

Since so many of them use the money they make and send it back to their respective countries, I'd suggest the following:

Do not buy a house in Georgia. An illegal immigrant helped build it.
Do not use the landscaping services of a company that employs illegal immigrants.
Do not buy produce from a company/farm that employs illegal immigrants to tend to their fields/crops.
Do not buy Garrett turbos. They are made in Mexico. This will only help Mexican citizens save up enough money to come to the United States illegally.

This is just a short list I've compiled. I hope this helps with the epidemic.

[HalfBaked]

Here are some tips for those that do not support illegal immigration.

Since so many of them use the money they make and send it back to their respective countries, I'd suggest the following:

Do not buy a house in Georgia. An illegal immigrant helped build it.
Do not use the landscaping services of a company that employs illegal immigrants.
Do not buy produce from a company/farm that employs illegal immigrants to tend to their fields.
Do not buy Garrett turbos. They are made in Mexico. This will only help Mexican citizens save up enough money to come to the United States illegally.

This is just a short list I've compiled. I hope this helps with the epidemic.
So do you just not care about the amount of tax money you pay that goes to help out illegal immigrants?

[Ruiner]

Aside from complaining on the internet, what are you doing about it?

This is fun.

I don't want it to seem like I'm calling you out. This is to everyone complaining in this thread. You guys must be pretty proactive in helping with this devastating problem our country has, right?

You asked for proof that GA has the fastest growing pop of illegals in the US and I gave it to you.

What can I do about it other than to support the bills that ban illegals and/or their employers. Right now, there is a bill that was already passed that will penalize the employers. Apparently the rate has GREATLY slowed since this bill's inception a year ago or so.

[iloveboost]

So do you just not care about the amount of tax money you pay that goes to help out illegal immigrants?
Of course I do. We pay more money in taxes each year than I care to think about. It's disgusting but what can ya do? Find loopholes. :goodjob:

[iloveboost]

You asked for proof that GA has the fastest growing pop of illegals in the US and I gave it to you.

What can I do about it other than to support the bills that ban illegals and/or their employers. Right now, there is a bill that was already passed that will penalize the employers. Apparently the rate has GREATLY slowed since this bill's inception a year ago or so.
I appreciate it. It was a good read.

I don't know the specifics but I'm pretty sure you only need to hire illegal immigrants that have a tax ID number, correct? Any illegal immigrant can get one of those. :goodjob:

[Jecht]

To all those that are whining that technically, we are all immigrants here - that is NOT the matter. We are now AMERICANS. The problem here is people circumventing our immigration laws, etc. and still reaping benefits from our country.

[Ruiner]

I appreciate it. It was a good read.

I don't know the specifics but I'm pretty sure you only need to hire illegal immigrants that have a tax ID number, correct? Any illegal immigrant can get one of those. :goodjob:

Here is a good summary:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_20060911/ai_n16718202

Here is the Bill that was passed:
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2005_06/fulltext/sb529.htm



13-10-91.
(a) On or after July 1, 2007, every public employer shall register and participate in the federal work authorization program to verify information of all new employees.
(b)(1) No public employer shall enter into a contract for the physical performance of services within this state unless the contractor registers and participates in the federal work authorization program to verify information of all new employees.
(2) No contractor or subcontractor who enters a contract with a public employer shall enter into such a contract or subcontract in connection with the physical performance of services within this state unless the contractor or subcontractor registers and participates in the federal work authorization program to verify information of all new employees.
(3) Paragraphs (1) and (2) of this subsection shall apply as follows:
(A) On or after July 1, 2007, with respect to public employers, contractors, or subcontractors of 500 or more employees;
(B) On or after July 1, 2008, with respect to public employers, contractors, or subcontractors of 100 or more employees; and
(C) On or after July 1, 2009, with respect to all public employers, contractors, or subcontractors.
(c) This Code section shall be enforced without regard to race, religion, gender, ethnicity, or national origin.
(d) Except as provided in subsection (e) of this Code section, the Commissioner shall prescribe forms and promulgate rules and regulations deemed necessary in order to administer and effectuate this Code section and publish such rules and regulations on the Georgia Department of Laboŕs website.
(e) The commissioner of the Georgia Department of Transportation shall prescribe all forms and promulgate rules and regulations deemed necessary for the application of this Code section to any contract or agreement relating to public transportation and shall publish such rules and regulations on the Georgia Department of Transportatiońs website."

[ZeDFuNk]

bottom line. we need to get rid of ILLEGAL immigrants.. i dont care if people come into our country and gain citizenship from wherever whenever. But theses non citizens are coming in and reaping the benefits of CITIZENS and costing the CITIZENS MONEY! it's bull****.

[DrewS2K]

just need to set up a 50 cal turret on the border and mow those bastards down

[Jaimecbr900]

This threads really shows just which of IA's members are even remotely intelligent and which ones are just plain retarded bandwagon riding fools.

Illegal immigration is indeed one of this nation's biggest problems. There are many different facets, ALL OF WHICH were CREATED by OUR government's inability to think beyond their own feet. On one hand lynch mobs love to compile and get each other worked into a mad frenzy demanding deportation of those "damned lazy illegals", yet they themselves couldn't name the Secretary of Defense of their beloved U.S.A. if their life depended on it. The flip side of that coin is that illegal immigrants do indeed put a strain in a local economy by dredging resources legal citizens either don't get or won't qualify to receive. Is that fair? Certainly not. But if we're being honest.....there are literally tons of good ole red blooded citizens that are scamming that same system each and every day too. Why don't we tighten the noose on those leeches too?

It really comes down to two things from MY point of view:

1. Political correctness.
2. Votes.

Political correctness is doing far more to kill this country than any illegal immigrant ever will. Why? Because if our "leaders" are too scared to implement the laws that are already on the books or on the way, those laws are not worth the paper they're printed on. When our elected officials stop looking at all of us as merely cattle with a ballot in our hand is when the real wishes of society as a whole will finally start being met. As of now, special interests, large companies with deep pockets, and politicians that are scared to be real men and women are the ones that truly control this country. We are merely pawns in that chess game.

All politicians get up on their platforms and preach about what they are going to do when they get into office, but very very few ever DO what they promised once they get there. This is the reason why government should be smaller and not bigger. This is the reason why we should look in our own backyard and clean it up FIRST before even attempting to deport a large portion of the the entire country's population.

I am the first to say that it is not fair nor right for someone to come here illegally and then reap the benefits that should only go to those here legally. But we also must be intelligent about our execution of that idea. Merely picking up a torch and yelling "kill them all" or "go home" is accomplishing nothing but making the yodler show his/her small IQ. We have to do what makes sense. You can't complain that you got robbed if YOU leave the front door open. You have to close the door and lock it. Then you have to protect yourself from getting broken into again. THEN you have to deal with that thief that is still IN your house. You have to be deliberate and resolute in doing it. You can't stick your head in the sand and pretend that the burglar is not there when he is. It doesn't change the fact that he IS there, right? So we can't merely put a void where something previously was. It would create a vaccum effect. There are many multi-facetted ways of doing this, but all involve having people with spines to implement.

[ZeDFuNk]

This threads really shows just which of IA's members are even remotely intelligent and which ones are just plain retarded bandwagon riding fools.

Illegal immigration is indeed one of this nation's biggest problems. There are many different facets, ALL OF WHICH were CREATED by OUR government's inability to think beyond their own feet. On one hand lynch mobs love to compile and get each other worked into a mad frenzy demanding deportation of those "damned lazy illegals", yet they themselves couldn't name the Secretary of Defense of their beloved U.S.A. if their life depended on it. The flip side of that coin is that illegal immigrants do indeed put a strain in a local economy by dredging resources legal citizens either don't get or won't qualify to receive. Is that fair? Certainly not. But if we're being honest.....there are literally tons of good ole red blooded citizens that are scamming that same system each and every day too. Why don't we tighten the noose on those leeches too?

It really comes down to two things from MY point of view:

1. Political correctness.
2. Votes.

Political correctness is doing far more to kill this country than any illegal immigrant ever will. Why? Because if our "leaders" are too scared to implement the laws that are already on the books or on the way, those laws are not worth the paper they're printed on. When our elected officials stop looking at all of us as merely cattle with a ballot in our hand is when the real wishes of society as a whole will finally start being met. As of now, special interests, large companies with deep pockets, and politicians that are scared to be real men and women are the ones that truly control this country. We are merely pawns in that chess game.

All politicians get up on their platforms and preach about what they are going to do when they get into office, but very very few ever DO what they promised once they get there. This is the reason why government should be smaller and not bigger. This is the reason why we should look in our own backyard and clean it up FIRST before even attempting to deport a large portion of the the entire country's population.

I am the first to say that it is not fair nor right for someone to come here illegally and then reap the benefits that should only go to those here legally. But we also must be intelligent about our execution of that idea. Merely picking up a torch and yelling "kill them all" or "go home" is accomplishing nothing but making the yodler show his/her small IQ. We have to do what makes sense. You can't complain that you got robbed if YOU leave the front door open. You have to close the door and lock it. Then you have to protect yourself from getting broken into again. THEN you have to deal with that thief that is still IN your house. You have to be deliberate and resolute in doing it. You can't stick your head in the sand and pretend that the burglar is not there when he is. It doesn't change the fact that he IS there, right? So we can't merely put a void where something previously was. It would create a vaccum effect. There are many multi-facetted ways of doing this, but all involve having people with spines to implement.


:yes:

[Jaimecbr900]

BTW, our Secretary of Defense is Robert M. Gates. ;)


I'm sure a lot of you had to go look that up....:rolleyes: Exhibit A. ;)

[tony]

I wont lie on the secretary of Defense I instantly think Donald Rumsfeld but that was 2006.. I often forget that Robert Gates is the current and I still cannot commit the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve to memory as of yet either (Ben Bernanke)

[Jaimecbr900]

I wont lie on the secretary of Defense I instantly think Donald Rumsfeld but that was 2006.. I often forget that Robert Gates is the current and I still cannot commit the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve to memory as of yet either (Ben Bernanke)

Yeah, but I KNOW you are intelligent. Some of these guys I'm really wondering how or IF they even got out of High School.

We really should have an IQ test before handing someone a driver's license. More people would apply themselves then because God forbid they not be able to drive.....:rolleyes: ;)

[HalfBaked]

Yeah, but I KNOW you are intelligent. Some of these guys I'm really wondering how or IF they even got out of High School.

I honestly doubt a lot of kids who post on IA graduated from high school. They get there GEDs; drive there EF civics and are content being ignorant.

[ZeDFuNk]

I honestly doubt a lot of kids who post on IA graduated from high school. They get there GEDs; drive there EF civics and are content being ignorant.

LOL ain't that the truth..


or 350z's.. :ninja: :cry:


p.s. i thought it was rumsfeld too at first.. lol.. i always forget he retired.. however this is probably the funniest gif ever.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/KRISGROVES/cheneyhands.gif

[Alan®]

When federal tax is witheld from an immigrants check do you really think they get that back? They're paying into Social Security, Federal Taxes, Medicare etc. furthermore they bring economic activity to the US economy.. not all immigrants come here and shoot every dime back to Mexico.

Also since they are not subject to minimum wages that tends to keep prices down so realize what you are asking for in getting rid of illegal immigrants expect a nice jump in inflation.

I dont support illegal immigration but I will call a spade a spade. In all of those statistics I can almost guarantee you the U.S results in a net profit from illegal immigration. (which is the reason why the government is not quick to resolve it)

This is a problem created by the U.S trust me.. criticizing individuals for trying to do what is best for theirselves and their families is hypocritical since we strive to achieve that very same thing every day.

In most cases illegals are not paid over the table which is what you are implying. Most illegals are paid under the table. Most get paid in cash and then come tax time the companies write it off as an expense which is why I don't see this new law working.

As far as the U.S. resulting in a net profit. I don't see how when most aren;t actually paying into anything.

I agree with you this defintely a problem we created for ourselves and the only way to solve it is to get tougher with the laws already on the books

[Jaimecbr900]

In most cases illegals are not paid over the table which is what you are implying. Most illegals are paid under the table. Most get paid in cash and then come tax time the companies write it off as an expense which is why I don't see this new law working.

As far as the U.S. resulting in a net profit. I don't see how when most aren;t actually paying into anything.

I agree with you this defintely a problem we created for ourselves and the only way to solve it is to get tougher with the laws already on the books

Listen, you are being very narrow minded. I will attribute that to the fact that you're young and haven't seen or done quite as much yet. But you are absolutely wrong in your assumptions.

How many companies have you run? How many employees have you hired? How many times have you even issued a W2? So please, don't sit on your misinformed soap box and try to pass judgement on something you have no concrete proof about.

The reality is that there indeed quite a few illegals that get paid a regular check just like or me. They get deductions taken out too. Problem comes in when they DON'T file tax returns because their SS # is actually bogus. That is a problem. The real problem comes in from those that do get paid in cash which compounds the problem even further. What percentage is which? It's impossible for ANYONE to say since census nor IRS know crap since they're "counting" ghosts and collecting taxes from noone. All the figures are merely guesses. How can you say how many are here, if they won't be counted? How can you say just how much they contribute if they don't pay taxes? It's a double sided coin. You can certainly add up what benefits are being used up, but that's one side of the equation. Irritating, but only one side.

*edit* I hit the send button too early.

You need to look around a little closer. There are just as many lily white and carbon black losers out there sucking every last red cent out of our economy and not replacing it just like you claim illegals do. What is the difference? You can't choose where you're born or whom you're born to. There are just as many worthless AMERICAN BORN AND BRED leeches if not more than "illegals". A leech is a leech is a leech. What makes a citizen any more deserving of milking our politically correct system than anyone else? Wrong is wrong, right? Why not just try and keep EVERYONE from treating us like suckers? Because we have an escape goat wearing a sombrero and speaking a different language that is much easier to point the finger at to keep the spotlight off the lily white trash or the carbon black thief stealing the exact same things right out from underneath our nose right now.

Pick up a newspaper or watch TV on any given day. How many times do you see white people fleecing the system out of millions thru scams? How many times do you see a Black girl with 6 kids who has enough money to have a cell phone but refuses to get a job or name the father of her children so she won't lose her benefits? How often do you see Oriental people driving $100k cars, living in $500k houses, yet since their business is a strictly cash intake only make $20k on paper? I can do this all day. The point is that all of you that are so intent on blaming only one part of our society for taking advantage of the system really need to take a closer look around. The "illegals" aren't the only ones suckling from that teet. Recognize that FIRST and want to fix that FIRST, and then you will start making some headway towards a real solutions.

[Alan®]

Listen, you are being very narrow minded. I will attribute that to the fact that you're young and haven't seen or done quite as much yet. But you are absolutely wrong in your assumptions.

How many companies have you run? How many employees have you hired? How many times have you even issued a W2? So please, don't sit on your misinformed soap box and try to pass judgement on something you have no concrete proof about.

The reality is that there indeed quite a few illegals that get paid a regular check just like or me. They get deductions taken out too. Problem comes in when they DON'T file tax returns because their SS # is actually bogus. That is a problem. The real problem comes in from those that do get paid in cash which compounds the problem even further. What percentage is which? It's impossible for ANYONE to say since census nor IRS know crap since they're "counting" ghosts and collecting taxes from noone. All the figures are merely guesses. How can you say how many are here, if they won't be counted? How can you say just how much they contribute if they don't pay taxes? It's a double sided coin. You can certainly add up what benefits are being used up, but that's one side of the equation. Irritating, but only one side.
My post was based on my experiences I have worked 2 or 3 jobs involving illegals which in the grand scheme of things aint ****. But from what I have seen most illegals that are working out of sight like in kitchens in resturaunts are paid cash.So that answeres your first two paragraphs. YOu are right I haven't done a lot as I'm 19.

But the rest of your post is absolutely spot on :goodjob:

[Jaimecbr900]

My post was based on my experiences I have worked 2 or 3 jobs involving illegals which in the grand scheme of things aint ****. But from what I have seen most illegals that are working out of sight like in kitchens in resturaunts are paid cash.So that answeres your first two paragraphs. YOu are right I haven't done a lot as I'm 19.

But the rest of your post is absolutely spot on :goodjob:

See, that's part of the problem here. There are lots of people that incorrectly feel exactly as you do. Sometimes they're right, but most of the time they are just stereotyping.

I get very frustrated when I see people who complain over some menial ailment and get "permanent disability" when all of us have to deal with 10x's the problems they do without a single hand out. I see just as many, if not more, blacks and whites that do just that, yet we hardly ever hear about a big reform plan to weed those sap suckers out. That's just as counter-productive as any illegal. Matter of fact, I know 10x's more citizens that weasel and cheat the system to get benefits they NEVER paid into.

Does that mean that we should let everyone just waltz in here and do what they want? Hell no. But before we go around pounding on our chests about how people take advantage of our country we should also look in our own backyard and pull up the weeds there too. ;)

[iloveboost]

Listen, you are being very narrow minded. I will attribute that to the fact that you're young and haven't seen or done quite as much yet. But you are absolutely wrong in your assumptions.

How many companies have you run? How many employees have you hired? How many times have you even issued a W2? So please, don't sit on your misinformed soap box and try to pass judgement on something you have no concrete proof about.

The reality is that there indeed quite a few illegals that get paid a regular check just like or me. They get deductions taken out too. Problem comes in when they DON'T file tax returns because their SS # is actually bogus. That is a problem. The real problem comes in from those that do get paid in cash which compounds the problem even further. What percentage is which? It's impossible for ANYONE to say since census nor IRS know crap since they're "counting" ghosts and collecting taxes from noone. All the figures are merely guesses. How can you say how many are here, if they won't be counted? How can you say just how much they contribute if they don't pay taxes? It's a double sided coin. You can certainly add up what benefits are being used up, but that's one side of the equation. Irritating, but only one side.

*edit* I hit the send button too early.

You need to look around a little closer. There are just as many lily white and carbon black losers out there sucking every last red cent out of our economy and not replacing it just like you claim illegals do. What is the difference? You can't choose where you're born or whom you're born to. There are just as many worthless AMERICAN BORN AND BRED leeches if not more than "illegals". A leech is a leech is a leech. What makes a citizen any more deserving of milking our politically correct system than anyone else? Wrong is wrong, right? Why not just try and keep EVERYONE from treating us like suckers? Because we have an escape goat wearing a sombrero and speaking a different language that is much easier to point the finger at to keep the spotlight off the lily white trash or the carbon black thief stealing the exact same things right out from underneath our nose right now.

Pick up a newspaper or watch TV on any given day. How many times do you see white people fleecing the system out of millions thru scams? How many times do you see a Black girl with 6 kids who has enough money to have a cell phone but refuses to get a job or name the father of her children so she won't lose her benefits? How often do you see Oriental people driving $100k cars, living in $500k houses, yet since their business is a strictly cash intake only make $20k on paper? I can do this all day. The point is that all of you that are so intent on blaming only one part of our society for taking advantage of the system really need to take a closer look around. The "illegals" aren't the only ones suckling from that teet. Recognize that FIRST and want to fix that FIRST, and then you will start making some headway towards a real solutions.
In case anyone missed it. Read again.

And Jaime, redGT just likes to talk about stuff he has no idea about. Don't mind him.

I worked for a couple of large banks a few years ago. Many, many illegal immigrants get paid in check form. Most of them had checking accounts too. Guess what... they paid fees on their checking and savings accounts which goes to thousands of employees pockets. Illegal immigrants attibute for BILLIONS of dollars in our banks that help pay for thousands of paychecks.

Will we ever know how much they help/hurt the economy? Probably not. One thing is for certain; complaining on the internet isn't going to change anything.

I remember when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. You wouldn't believe how many scamming AMERICANS were running around. Claiming their 2-year-old daughter's social security number to FEMA in order to get the $2,000 displacement check. It's disgusting.

What I find ironic is the people complaining about illegal immigrants are the same people that will hire a contractor that employs illegal immigrants because it's going to save them a few hundred bucks.

[iloveboost]

See, that's part of the problem here. There are lots of people that incorrectly feel exactly as you do. Sometimes they're right, but most of the time they are just stereotyping.

I get very frustrated when I see people who complain over some menial ailment and get "permanent disability" when all of us have to deal with 10x's the problems they do without a single hand out. I see just as many, if not more, blacks and whites that do just that, yet we hardly ever hear about a big reform plan to weed those sap suckers out. That's just as counter-productive as any illegal. Matter of fact, I know 10x's more citizens that weasel and cheat the system to get benefits they NEVER paid into.

Does that mean that we should let everyone just waltz in here and do what they want? Hell no. But before we go around pounding on our chests about how people take advantage of our country we should also look in our own backyard and pull up the weeds there too. ;)
Truer words have never been spoken. :goodjob:

[Maniac1]

LOL, that country has way too many issues.

Why you think everyone leaves there to come here.
have you ever been to mexico? what parts are seriously jacked up with issues? please don't say things that you have nothing but pictures to back you up. the country itself doesn't have issues... it's the economy that has issues. money is hard to make over there, thats why alot of them come over here.

because it's easier to make money, its a better place to grow up in and a better place to make a future for you and your children. alot of mexican's don't really care about the country and only come here to make money, send it back to mexico and return once they have enough saved in their banks... those are the ones i dislike, i agree with americans when they talk bad about them(not on all the things, only on some) because the ones that come here and bring their bad habits over give the ones that actually want to make it here, a bad name...

[Jaimecbr900]

What I find ironic is the people complaining about illegal immigrants are the same people that will hire a contractor that employs illegal immigrants because it's going to save them a few hundred bucks.

This goes back to hypocritically claiming that illegals are the only ones draining our economy. Like you said, if people really had the conviction they have when they're on that big bandwagon they certainly wouldn't hire a contractor that does that yet gives them a better price to prove a point. 99.9% won't, yet turn right around and complain about illegals.

Like I said, don't complain about getting robbed if you leave the front door open and unlocked.

[iloveboost]

have you ever been to mexico? what parts are seriously jacked up with issues? please don't say things that you have nothing but pictures to back you up. the country itself doesn't have issues... it's the economy that has issues. money is hard to make over there, thats why alot of them come over here.

because it's easier to make money, its a better place to grow up in and a better place to make a future for you and your children. alot of mexican's don't really care about the country and only come here to make money, send it back to mexico and return once they have enough saved in their banks... those are the ones i dislike, i agree with americans when they talk bad about them(not on all the things, only on some) because the ones that come here and bring their bad habits over give the ones that actually want to make it here, a bad name...
I traveled through Mexico City and Puebla and a few other cities.

I wouldn't drink the water without boiling it, LOL!

I spent an entire summer visiting the town my mother grew up in. We stayed at one her friend's houses that still lived in the town. No running water, no bathroom/shower, no air conditioning (hah) or gas. 2 light bulbs in the 'house' with an average electricity bill of about $3 a month. Most of the electricity being used by a sewing machine the lady used to make money for food, electricity and other necessities. I had to even go and help pick corn in the fields (which were a 2 mile hike to get to), take it to be ground up and use it to barter for beans and other vegetables from other families. The 'house' was made of a mixture of cement, mud, wood and stones.

It was a very humbling experience. I definitely don't take things like running water for granted anymore. This was the point of our trip there, heh.

[Maniac1]

I traveled through Mexico City and Puebla and a few other cities.

I wouldn't drink the water without boiling it, LOL!

I spent an entire summer visiting the town my mother grew up in. We stayed at one her friend's houses that still lived in the town. No running water, no bathroom/shower, no air conditioning (hah) or gas. 2 light bulbs in the 'house' with an average electricity bill of about $3 a month. Most of the electricity being used by a sewing machine the lady used to make money for food, electricity and other necessities. I had to even go and help pick corn in the fields (which were a 2 mile hike to get to), take it to be ground up and use it to barter for beans and other vegetables from other families. The 'house' was made of a mixture of cement, mud, wood and stones.

It was a very humbling experience. I definitely don't take things like running water for granted anymore. This was the point of our trip there, heh.
LOL! I can't argue about the water issue... :lmao:

but yeah, ive never been to mexico but i have seen pictures. from where my mom/dad grew up and some recent picture of how some of my mom's family lives over there.. my family all came from acapulco, which isn't as bad as other places, but still not all that great..

and yeah, after seeing the environment they grew in, i can see why they wouldn't want their kids growing up there. it really is sad when people automatically think that mexican's come here because they just felt like doing it... wrong, a better life and future for their children. is why...

[Lucky.]

In case anyone missed it. Read again.

And Jaime, redGT just likes to talk about stuff he has no idea about. Don't mind him.

I worked for a couple of large banks a few years ago. Many, many illegal immigrants get paid in check form. Most of them had checking accounts too. Guess what... they paid fees on their checking and savings accounts which goes to thousands of employees pockets. Illegal immigrants attibute for BILLIONS of dollars in our banks that help pay for thousands of paychecks.

Will we ever know how much they help/hurt the economy? Probably not. One thing is for certain; complaining on the internet isn't going to change anything.

I remember when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. You wouldn't believe how many scamming AMERICANS were running around. Claiming their 2-year-old daughter's social security number to FEMA in order to get the $2,000 displacement check. It's disgusting.

What I find ironic is the people complaining about illegal immigrants are the same people that will hire a contractor that employs illegal immigrants because it's going to save them a few hundred bucks.

So did you just go and check their legal status or something?:thinking:

[Alan®]

In case anyone missed it. Read again.

And Jaime, redGT just likes to talk about stuff he has no idea about. Don't mind him.
I worked for a couple of large banks a few years ago. Many, many illegal immigrants get paid in check form. Most of them had checking accounts too. Guess what... they paid fees on their checking and savings accounts which goes to thousands of employees pockets. Illegal immigrants attibute for BILLIONS of dollars in our banks that help pay for thousands of paychecks.

Will we ever know how much they help/hurt the economy? Probably not. One thing is for certain; complaining on the internet isn't going to change anything.

I remember when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. You wouldn't believe how many scamming AMERICANS were running around. Claiming their 2-year-old daughter's social security number to FEMA in order to get the $2,000 displacement check. It's disgusting.

What I find ironic is the people complaining about illegal immigrants are the same people that will hire a contractor that employs illegal immigrants because it's going to save them a few hundred bucks.

Did i ever claim to know everything or anything about this issue? No. I simply stated my experiences and some research that I had done. Issues like this are not cut and dry they have LOTS of angles that have to be looked at. What the **** is your problem. I have contributed a great deal to other threads this is one issue that I do not know about but am learning about.

[Maniac1]

I have contributed a great deal to other threadsproof or it didn't happen, and by proof i mean, link..

[SampaGuy]

So did you just go and check their legal status or something?:thinking:

i personally know one who gets paid by check. and after 12 years here his greencard should be coming out this october :cheers:

[Alan®]

proof or it didn't happen, and by proof i mean, link..
http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153907&highlight=college+students

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153908&highlight=college+students

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149151&highlight=hulk+hogan+divorce

[SampaGuy]

proof or it didn't happen, and by proof i mean, link..

heres a good one

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155218

[Alan®]

heres a good one

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155218
lol yea i neglected to actually read the link. i just figured it was the same old **** but i was wrong.

[Maniac1]

heres a good one

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155218hahaha repped!


redGT, all i saw in those threads, were you crying about issues that'll effect your life, you failed, again.

[Alan®]

hahaha repped!


redGT, all i saw in those threads, were you crying about issues that'll effect your life, you failed, again.
:gay: Ok whatever :rolleyes: In all of those threads I didn't show any useful information that could be used by anyone? Not even in the one where they have raised taxes on college students? Ok man whatever. I'm not sure exactly why you have this incessant need to try and :idb: everytime you see me but it's whatever. Still waiting on all this stuff that you have on me that you still have yet to produce. Oh well I will be waiting :rolleyes: .

[Maniac1]

hahah stop crying already, you know im right... you failed, now please. stop replying and move on, i don't want to turn this thread into a maniac vs redgt one. i like this topic, put your two cents into my posts. id like to see what you have to say about them...

[Alan®]

awww come on man your really makin me go all emo over here why don't you just post up "all the ****" you have on me and let's get it done and over with. So far I you were wrong on the PMS thing let's see what else your wrong about.

[Maniac1]

awww come on man your really makin me go all emo over here why don't you just post up "all the ****" you have on me and let's get it done and over with. So far I you were wrong on the PMS thing let's see what else your wrong about.haha relax dude, stop thinking about it too much... seriously. and it's you're btw...

[Alan®]

haha relax dude, stop thinking about it too much... seriously. and it's you're btw...
ok this was your third opportunity SERIOUSLYT POST UP OR SHUT ABOUT ABOUT THIS "**** YOU HAVE ON ME"

YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE

HAPPY? :goodjob:

[Alan®]

have you ever been to mexico? what parts are seriously jacked up with issues? please don't say things that you have nothing but pictures to back you up.

but yeah, ive never been to mexico but i have seen pictures


This was an intersting comment :goodjob: :lmfao:

[Maniac1]

This was an intersting comment :goodjob: :lmfao:i was talking about internet pictures, i saw REAL pictures not some that people think "this is mexico because i saw it in the internet."

[Alan®]

A picture is a picture is a picture doesn't matter if it's on the internet or one a family member took unless YOU PERSONALY LIVED IT YOUR OPINION AIN'T ****.

[Maniac1]

A picture is a picture is a picture doesn't matter if it's on the internet or one a family member took unless YOU PERSONALY LIVED IT YOUR OPINION AIN'T ****.if my opinion is worth sh!t, than yours will be classified as non existed... ive talked to family members, ive been told storys, i know alot more about the issues of mexico than alot of you.. lol you being the number one.

[Alan®]

if my opinion is worth sh!t, than yours will be classified as non existed... ive talked to family members, ive been told storys, i know alot more about the issues of mexico than alot of you.. lol you being the number one.
great so then basically i know a lot more about the way West Point was 20 years ago because my dad was there and has told me every story about when he was there at least 3 times and because of the changes that have been made in the last 20 years West Point is a lot easier to get through thus making you a weaker soilder. So your telling me that because I have all these stories that makes me more knowledgeable and my opinon worth **** when i have not breathed slept ate been west point?

when it comes to **** like that unless you have lived it you just don't know.

[Lucky.]

LOL! I can't argue about the water issue... :lmao:

but yeah, ive never been to mexico but i have seen pictures. from where my mom/dad grew up and some recent picture of how some of my mom's family lives over there.. my family all came from acapulco, which isn't as bad as other places, but still not all that great..

and yeah, after seeing the environment they grew in, i can see why they wouldn't want their kids growing up there. it really is sad when people automatically think that mexican's come here because they just felt like doing it... wrong, a better life and future for their children. is why...

and then some of the kids come here and waste their life by joining gangs and making us hispanics look bad

[Maniac1]

great so then basically i know a lot more about the way West Point was 20 years ago because my dad was there and has told me every story about when he was there at least 3 times and because of the changes that have been made in the last 20 years West Point is a lot easier to get through thus making you a weaker soilder. So your telling me that because I have all these stories that makes me more knowledgeable and my opinon worth **** when i have not breathed slept ate been west point?
Thats exactly what im saying hahaha! and it's you're btw...

[Maniac1]

and then some of the kids come here and waste their life by joining gangs and making us hispanics look badim not going to argue this, because it's true... which is why i don't really care what happens to the wetbacks..

[Alan®]

Thats exactly what im saying hahaha! and it's you're btw...
i lirl'd damn it. Bad habits are hard to break.IDK my personal opinon is you can be told all the stories in the world but it's one thing to hear about it but another thing to live it. Know what I mean?

[Maniac1]

Know what I mean?yeah i do...

ps; i have nothing on you hahah i was just using that move to scare you.. all i would be able to bring up would only be your tc and past arguments you got into for stupid stuff hahaha..

[Alan®]

yeah i do...

ps; i have nothing on you hahah i was just using that move to scare you.. all i would be able to bring up would only be your tc and past arguments you got into for stupid stuff hahaha..
LOL I figured as much but you had me goin at first. Reps

[TheGodfather]

Not sure if this has beene posted already...but...

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!

[Psycho]

Aww, you beat me to it.:(

[iloveboost]

So did you just go and check their legal status or something?:thinking:
Actually, I asked them. I tried to offer banking services to them so they don't have to keep money stuffed in their matress.


A picture is a picture is a picture doesn't matter if it's on the internet or one a family member took unless YOU PERSONALY LIVED IT YOUR OPINION AIN'T ****.
You're such an idiot. You're the same guy that swears by what a magazone article or an internet site says and you quote it as the end all truth. Go drive your girl car into a wall, please. You quote so many half-truths from random internet sites and whatever else you might come across and try to act somewhat knowledgeable on facts you know nothing about.

[iloveboost]

Not sure if this has beene posted already...but...

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!
They didn't take mine. :D

[HalfBaked]

have you ever been to mexico? what parts are seriously jacked up with issues? please don't say things that you have nothing but pictures to back you up. the country itself doesn't have issues... it's the economy that has issues. money is hard to make over there, thats why alot of them come over here.

So the economy has issues where people can't make money, but yet the country itself doesn't have any issues?

Wouldn't the economy be an issue of the country?

[HalfBaked]

Not sure if this has beene posted already...but...

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!
Right now I have a ****ty job working as a cook in a restaurant.

Because a mexican got fired.

LOL @ me taking their jobs.

[Alan®]

Actually, I asked them. I tried to offer banking services to them so they don't have to keep money stuffed in their matress.


You're such an idiot. You're the same guy that swears by what a magazone article or an internet site says and you quote it as the end all truth. Go drive your girl car into a wall, please. You quote so many half-truths from random internet sites and whatever else you might come across and try to act somewhat knowledgeable on facts you know nothing about.
Oh my god your still talking about that? :rolleyes: LOL ok man whatever. I know nothing about nothing especially since when you quoted something when maniac and i were just giving eachother ****.

As far as you offering illegals banking services. Personally that's really sad because they aren't supposed to be here in the first place yet you offer them the same services as legal citizens. That makes you just as bad as someone harboring a criminal.

[iloveboost]

Oh my god your still talking about that? :rolleyes: LOL ok man whatever. I know nothing about nothing especially since when you quoted something when maniac and i were just giving eachother ****.

As far as you offering illegals banking services. Personally that's really sad because they aren't supposed to be here in the first place yet you offer them the same services as legal citizens. That makes you just as bad as someone harboring a criminal.
Please listen to yourself. You are a moron in every sense of the word. Seriously, I've never talked to anyone over the internet as ignorant, irrational and just an overall idiot like you.


Right now I have a ****ty job working as a cook in a restaurant.

Because a mexican got fired.

LOL @ me taking their jobs.
Hahahahahah!!!!

LOL @ you taking the job from a mexican that took our job in the first place.

[Alan®]

Please listen to yourself. You are a moron in every sense of the word. Seriously, I've never talked to anyone over the internet as ignorant, irrational and just an overall idiot like you.


Hahahahahah!!!!

LOL @ you taking the job from a mexican that took our job in the first place.
Glad to be of service. To me how you can justify helping someone who is breaking the law? Let them keep their ****ing money in their mattress they aren't supposed to be here. period end of story. if they want to be here they can do it the legal way.

[Maniac1]

So the economy has issues where people can't make money, but yet the country itself doesn't have any issues?
the economy effects many things in mexico, jobs is one of them. money is very hard to earn over there, you bust your ass for nothing.. many people in the past have protested but little was done to fix the issue.

EDIT: the last two words didn't need to be there...


Wouldn't the economy be an issue of the country?
And it is... in the post i quoted, it sounded to me. like you were saying that mexico is a jacked up country, like when it came to it's surrounding's... mexico is a beautiful country, sure it looks pretty missed up, because unlike the united states, mexico doesn't really put to much effort on trying to make the country a better place to live.

[devinwebb907]

giuliani for president!

[Jaimecbr900]

Glad to be of service. To me how you can justify helping someone who is breaking the law? Let them keep their ****ing money in their mattress they aren't supposed to be here. period end of story. if they want to be here they can do it the legal way.

Let me ask you a question:

If you have the choice between taking your car to a shop that charges $500 for something and takes 1 wk to do it vs. taking it to another shop that charges $1500 and takes 2 mos. to do it......where would you go?

Now, think about this:

You have made the trip to the U.S., started a family, are gainfully employed, pay taxes, and your choice is; A: pay thousands of dollars to get your paperwork started which could very well lead to your deportation which in turn means you'd have to LEAVE YOUR CHILDREN BEHIND because THEY are citizens and you're not, or B: stay real quiet and pay your taxes under a fake SS# you bought off some shady guy off Buford Hwy somewhere. What do you think most people are going to HAVE TO do regardless of what they WANT to do?

My point is that even when "illegals" TRY to do the right thing and apply for their paperwork it sometimes takes YEARS to get thru the system and even then there are no guarantees that it will be approved. If it doesn't get approved, they get deported. Talk about sink or swim, no pun intended.

So if the U.S. Government and John Q. Public wants some true immigration reform and results.....they can't make the lawful way so damn difficult and painful as to make it easier to go the illegal route. If you really want people to be here legally and pay their taxes and be counted, then damn it don't make impossible to do. Don't make people wait in a line until they're too old to walk. Don't make people jump thru a ton of hoops, only to then turn them down with no explainations. That's not fair, plus that person is going to tell 10 people who are then gonna tell 10 more and so on. Before too long, it will be part of what everyone believes.

Like I said, this issue is not as clean and simple as "go home" or "do it right or go home" as the media and politicians would have 90% of the population believe. If you've created a $hit storm for yourself by being a spineless coward before, don't try and fix it now by being a bully. It doesn't make it any better. Yes, hard choices have to be made, but you can't make them blindly. We have no real politicians nor leaders willing to do that. They all TALK a big game when they're in front of the cameras, but when it comes time to fix the problem for real they fold like a cheap lawn chair. It's a never ending cycle.

[iloveboost]

Glad to be of service. To me how you can justify helping someone who is breaking the law? Let them keep their ****ing money in their mattress they aren't supposed to be here. period end of story. if they want to be here they can do it the legal way.
It happens everyday in our society. They're called lawyers. Doctors even tend to criminal's wounds. Government employees sometimes help criminals find jobs.

They all help "criminals" at times but it's their job. Are they also harboring criminals? LOL!

P.S. In case you forgot, you're a moron.

[JITB]

Let me ask you a question:

If you have the choice between taking your car to a shop that charges $500 for something and takes 1 wk to do it vs. taking it to another shop that charges $1500 and takes 2 mos. to do it......where would you go?

Now, think about this:

You have made the trip to the U.S., started a family, are gainfully employed, pay taxes, and your choice is; A: pay thousands of dollars to get your paperwork started which could very well lead to your deportation which in turn means you'd have to LEAVE YOUR CHILDREN BEHIND because THEY are citizens and you're not, or B: stay real quiet and pay your taxes under a fake SS# you bought off some shady guy off Buford Hwy somewhere. What do you think most people are going to HAVE TO do regardless of what they WANT to do?

My point is that even when "illegals" TRY to do the right thing and apply for their paperwork it sometimes takes YEARS to get thru the system and even then there are no guarantees that it will be approved. If it doesn't get approved, they get deported. Talk about sink or swim, no pun intended.

So if the U.S. Government and John Q. Public wants some true immigration reform and results.....they can't make the lawful way so damn difficult and painful as to make it easier to go the illegal route. If you really want people to be here legally and pay their taxes and be counted, then damn it don't make impossible to do. Don't make people wait in a line until they're too old to walk. Don't make people jump thru a ton of hoops, only to then turn them down with no explainations. That's not fair, plus that person is going to tell 10 people who are then gonna tell 10 more and so on. Before too long, it will be part of what everyone believes.

Like I said, this issue is not as clean and simple as "go home" or "do it right or go home" as the media and politicians would have 90% of the population believe. If you've created a $hit storm for yourself by being a spineless coward before, don't try and fix it now by being a bully. It doesn't make it any better. Yes, hard choices have to be made, but you can't make them blindly. We have no real politicians nor leaders willing to do that. They all TALK a big game when they're in front of the cameras, but when it comes time to fix the problem for real they fold like a cheap lawn chair. It's a never ending cycle.

http://www.muntedmess.com/images/posts/high-five-1.jpg

like jaime said... we jsut need laws and ways to let people become legal. Especially if they have been here for so long and have done nothing been A+ citizens.....thats just how i feel. without immigrants the US wouldnt survive at all. The same reason why we get so much stuff from overseas.

[Jaimecbr900]

To me how you can justify helping someone who is breaking the law?

Ummm, this happens every single day BY citizens. Look at the welfare system. Do you think that EVERY person on disability is REALLY disabled? Do you think that every "baby mommas" really can't name their child's father nor get a job? Do you think that everybody that applies for compensation from an insurance company is REALLY as injured or at all? Open your eyes. This is what I mean by hypocracy. Everyone loves the buzz word of "illegal" immigration, but we have thieves stealing us just as blind every damn day of the week and twice on Sunday already. Why aren't we just as concerned about those millions of dollars being wasted? I'll tell you why. It's simple. Those millions are being wasted on and by CITIZENS, ie. votes. Piss them off and you get no votes. No votes, no cushy retirement plan. Get it? :rolleyes: ;)


Let them keep their ****ing money in their mattress they aren't supposed to be here. period end of story. if they want to be here they can do it the legal way.

See my previous post. It explains why you're being short sighted about this thought.

[Alan®]

Let me ask you a question:

If you have the choice between taking your car to a shop that charges $500 for something and takes 1 wk to do it vs. taking it to another shop that charges $1500 and takes 2 mos. to do it......where would you go?

Now, think about this:

You have made the trip to the U.S., started a family, are gainfully employed, pay taxes, and your choice is; A: pay thousands of dollars to get your paperwork started which could very well lead to your deportation which in turn means you'd have to LEAVE YOUR CHILDREN BEHIND because THEY are citizens and you're not, or B: stay real quiet and pay your taxes under a fake SS# you bought off some shady guy off Buford Hwy somewhere. What do you think most people are going to HAVE TO do regardless of what they WANT to do?

My point is that even when "illegals" TRY to do the right thing and apply for their paperwork it sometimes takes YEARS to get thru the system and even then there are no guarantees that it will be approved. If it doesn't get approved, they get deported. Talk about sink or swim, no pun intended.

So if the U.S. Government and John Q. Public wants some true immigration reform and results.....they can't make the lawful way so damn difficult and painful as to make it easier to go the illegal route. If you really want people to be here legally and pay their taxes and be counted, then damn it don't make impossible to do. Don't make people wait in a line until they're too old to walk. Don't make people jump thru a ton of hoops, only to then turn them down with no explainations. That's not fair, plus that person is going to tell 10 people who are then gonna tell 10 more and so on. Before too long, it will be part of what everyone believes.

Like I said, this issue is not as clean and simple as "go home" or "do it right or go home" as the media and politicians would have 90% of the population believe. If you've created a $hit storm for yourself by being a spineless coward before, don't try and fix it now by being a bully. It doesn't make it any better. Yes, hard choices have to be made, but you can't make them blindly. We have no real politicians nor leaders willing to do that. They all TALK a big game when they're in front of the cameras, but when it comes time to fix the problem for real they fold like a cheap lawn chair. It's a never ending cycle.
I agree with you 100% on everything you said. There needs to be a serious immigration reform.But when you get right down to it, the laws that are on the books right now are simply not being enforced. Now I'm not saying that even if they were that the problem would go away but it would certianly die down a bit.

Personally though I if it were me in the cituation I would look at in terms of do the benefits out weigh the risk.And according to the government we are only deporting 1/4 of the almost million people who come here illegally. http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/2004/Nov/22-333809.html

But you know you can always say oh i would do this if i were in this cituation or that in this cituation but really you just can't unless your in that set of shoes. Personally I don't do anything that will get me into any serious legal trouble. That's why I don't street race. So for me to sit here and say that there is just too much of a legal risk for me to consider hoping the border if I were an illegal would pretty much be foundless because I'm not an illegal and I am greatful to live here and be a citizen.

[Alan®]

It happens everyday in our society. They're called lawyers. Doctors even tend to criminal's wounds. Government employees sometimes help criminals find jobs.

They all help "criminals" at times but it's their job. Are they also harboring criminals? LOL!

P.S. In case you forgot, you're a moron.
Yea but those are government employee's that's their jobs. No they are not harboring criminals but for you to offer bank services to an illegal when you have no reason to :rolleyes:

[Alan®]

Ummm, this happens every single day BY citizens. Look at the welfare system. Do you think that EVERY person on disability is REALLY disabled? Do you think that every "baby mommas" really can't name their child's father nor get a job? Do you think that everybody that applies for compensation from an insurance company is REALLY as injured or at all? Open your eyes. This is what I mean by hypocracy. Everyone loves the buzz word of "illegal" immigration, but we have thieves stealing us just as blind every damn day of the week and twice on Sunday already. Why aren't we just as concerned about those millions of dollars being wasted? I'll tell you why. It's simple. Those millions are being wasted on and by CITIZENS, ie. votes. Piss them off and you get no votes. No votes, no cushy retirement plan. Get it? :rolleyes: ;)



See my previous post. It explains why you're being short sighted about this thought.

I see what you are saying by the hypocracy of this country but seriously why should we allow people who aren't supposed to be in this country add to it when we could do something about by actually enforcing the laws already on the books.

[ZeDFuNk]

DEY TOOK RRRRR JOOBBSSS!!

[Jaimecbr900]

I see what you are saying by the hypocracy of this country but seriously why should we allow people who aren't supposed to be in this country add to it when we could do something about by actually enforcing the laws already on the books.

The exact same reason why we would allow people that aren't disabled sit on their butt all day and pay them to do so. The exact same reason we pay women to have babies out of wedlock and not take care of them AND pay them to do so. The same reason we give away money for people to do absolutely nothing. All of it is technically illegal. Why are we not doing anything about that either? Let's add up all the dollars we could save if we actually MONITORED when we gave hand-outs. You wanna see BILLIONS, there's you a few of them I'm certain. ;)

Instead of having an overflowing Washington, we should hire people to do nothing but go around monitoring people that are receiving welfare benefits. Do they really try to find work? Are they really injured? Do they really need help or are just lazy? Do we need to UP the benefits when they make the SAME error again and again and again???? How's any of that make any sense? It doesn't, anymore than us letting any Tom, ****, and Harry simply walk across a small stretch of desert and dip from those same benefits our own citizens are stealing from us already.

It's not really all that hard. Just noone has the guts to do it.

[TheGodfather]

Right now I have a ****ty job working as a cook in a restaurant.

Because a mexican got fired.

LOL @ me taking their jobs.


YOU TOOK DER JOBS!!!!!!!!

[1000cckiller]

This is unbelievable.

Included are the URL's for verification of the following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
& nbsp; http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such
as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medic aid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html)

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born
children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPT S/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by
the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html)

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two
and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html)

11. During the year of 2006 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that
crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine
and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland
Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass
deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of
between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf (http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf)

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
their countries of origin. http://ww (http://ww/) w.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whooping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR !



So essentially Yousef/Thinkfast/Rican/Julio. You're costing us CITIZENS $338.3 billion dollars. Die.you forgot Maniac.

[ZeDFuNk]

you forgot Maniac.

lol i know! i corrected myself later in the thread though :D

[B18c1Turboed]

Well i hope you guys know there are more illegals then just mexicans in the USA. Alot of chinnesse people that cant drive, koreans, hmong, theres alot. the only reason the mexian stand out more is becasue where the ones building everything for you white people!!

[Lucky.]

Well i hope you guys know there are more illegals then just mexicans in the USA. Alot of chinnesse people that cant drive, koreans, hmong, theres alot. the only reason the mexian stand out more is becasue where the ones building everything for you white people!!

yup, theres even africans and eurotrash

[Alan®]

Well i hope you guys know there are more illegals then just mexicans in the USA. Alot of chinnesse people that cant drive, koreans, hmong, theres alot. the only reason the mexian stand out more is becasue where the ones building everything for you white people!!
Also reportedly 100,000 Illegals from the middle east also :screwy: :no: . Checks Yousef's green card.

[True Pyroman]

come onnnnn fairtax.org

[Jaimecbr900]

How is an "illegal" counted? ;)

[R3RUN]

How is an "illegal" counted? ;)
They aren't for the most part, those are normally just conservative estimates at how many illegals are crossing. Probably numbers based off of the amount of people they catch each year trying to enter illegally.

[Jaimecbr900]

They aren't for the most part, those are normally just conservative estimates at how many illegals are crossing. Probably numbers based off of the amount of people they catch each year trying to enter illegally.

Well that was the point, it's an estimate. Can't we just say it's a lot and let's figure out how to stop it? The numbers are only used by politicians who try to hide behind the fact they can't get the job done. ;)