the king is dead... bye bye GT-R

[GGPIS3]

The king is dead, long live the king! Lexus’ long-awaited LF-A has unofficially smashed the lap record at Germany’s Nürburgring, with a time of seven minutes, 24 seconds. That beats Porsche’s new GT2 by a second and makes the Lexus the King of the ’Ring. Company insiders have revealed that a 4.8-litre V10 – co-developed with Yamaha – powered the record-breaking test mule. It revs to 9,000rpm and pumps out 552bhp. Combined with a highly aerodynamic body, it should enable the LF-A to hit 210mph.


http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...lexus_lfa.html

[The BUCKY]

this car is supposed to be the main competitor for the new NSX

[Psycho]

It's weird how Toyota likes to have Yamaha develop heads for them.

[Jaimecbr900]

Come get some!!!!!:goodjob:

[OneSlow5pt0]

ive been saying this since the GTR ran its time that the lexus would kill it and be the top jdm car....but it does cost $50k more than the GTR

[GGPIS3]

all i have to say is... it was only a matter of time before Lexus conquered the performance world. the ultimate driving machine what? the gtr what? ok ok.. maybe im getting a little ahead of myself, but this is some truly remarkable ****. Lexus has never been considered to be a perfomance driven machine.. this changes everything.. it is revolutionary!!

[BB6dohcvtec]

not really because that car will be a thousand more than its competitors whose cars are not that far behind.

[ARFNSX]

ive been saying this since the GTR ran its time that the lexus would kill it and be the top jdm car....but it does cost $50k more than the GTR


Depending on the cost, it is a hot looking car. Much better than the GTR. I am still waiting to see what Honda does with the NSX. I might have a new car in my signature soon.

[Whiteboy™]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/spyshots/209317/lexus_lfa.html

spy shots of the car can be seen here

[ARFNSX]

Very nice. How much?

[BuBBa DRiFT]

a **** load more than the GTR

[Ruiner]

Very nice. How much?

They say $100-150k. I'm going to guess $130-140k; about 2x the price of a GTR.

[matthewAPM]

not faster than an radical.

i need a EF cat or exhaust. ASAP. 404-455-2784

[DeutscheBAG!]

but still lives in the shadow of the new GTR

[OneSlow5pt0]

the only car i can think to compare the lexus to is cars like SLR mclaren and SL65 AMG...i mean u have a high performace car and stunning lexus interior and detail....u get what u pay for

[Crazy Asian]

but the lexus is gonna be up 100,000-150,000 i remember seeing that some where.

[TheGodfather]

Looks nice, and I'm a Lexus fan, but still looking foward to the new NSX more.

And with the NSX being the last of the 3 most likely to be produced, they have time to make some changes to make it faster and more powerful.

[Vteckidd]

a $130,000 Lexus comapred to a $70,000 GTR

thats like comparing a $80000 z06 Vette to an RSX.

Thats like a Ferrari compared to a G37.

This lexus will be badass, but lets not get ahead of ourselves :)

[ironchef]

Once a final production version does this same lap time, then start your cheering. For now its just a test mule.

[Reaper]

lexus ftmfw!!!

[GGPIS3]

not faster than an radical.

i need a EF cat or exhaust. ASAP. 404-455-2784


is a radical street legal?

[GGPIS3]

but still lives in the shadow of the new GTR


you got to be crazy or smokin a lil too much mambajamba

[GGPIS3]

a $130,000 Lexus comapred to a $70,000 GTR

thats like comparing a $80000 z06 Vette to an RSX.

Thats like a Ferrari compared to a G37.

This lexus will be badass, but lets not get ahead of ourselves :)


i feel ya.. and i wasn't really doing a direct comparison.. but you have to respect the fact that it beat the porsche gt2 and all of the other supercars out there. Lexus doesn't have a "history" with building supercars so this is a huge feat in my eyes.

i also am looking forward to the new nsx but at the same time, honda usually looks for a well balanced car vs a high hp machine... maybe things will change, but i doubt it.

as for the Lexus, and as mentioned above, you get what you pay for and in this case, im sure reliablity will follow as well unlike many of the other cars at this price level.

[IDCoconut]

Sweet car. Looks badass to boot.

Like most have said, it shouldn't be compared with the GT-R. A comparison to the GT2, F430, SLR, Gallardo, is more like what it should be compared to. When you talk about reliability issues, what issues? You can't expect a high dollar performance car to not have issues. People buy them to go fast, and that comes with a price.

You've got to think some though....of all the long ass straights on the Nordschleife, it would have smoked the GT2 with a 210+mph V10, but the margin was only a second.

Some of you may be thinking, well damn...it probably doesn't handle for ****, but the Nordschleife tests high speed cars. Plain and simple. It's not easy getting a car to turn @ 175+

When do they plan on producing the car?

[matthewAPM]

yes, radicals are street legal. thats y they have the record.

[IDCoconut]

Radicals don't even look like a car and more like a prototype. Those turds don't count. lol

[OneSlow5pt0]

Radicals don't even look like a car and more like a prototype. Those turds don't count. lol

x2 not fair to compare a 4k pound car to a rocket go kart

[matthewAPM]

ok. what ever u say. but they still have the record.

[Leadfoot_mf]

is a radical street legal?
some states they are.

wait till the ZR-1 hits the ring. so we can crown a new king :goodjob:

i do like the carbon ceramic brakes on the lexus. :goodjob:

[matthewAPM]

BMW CSL ran a 7:22

the radical...6:55

[Leadfoot_mf]

Sweet car. Looks badass to boot.

Like most have said, it shouldn't be compared with the GT-R. A comparison to the GT2, F430, SLR, Gallardo, is more like what it should be compared to. When you talk about reliability issues, what issues? You can't expect a high dollar performance car to not have issues. People buy them to go fast, and that comes with a price.

You've got to think some though....of all the long ass straights on the Nordschleife, it would have smoked the GT2 with a 210+mph V10, but the margin was only a second.

Some of you may be thinking, well damn...it probably doesn't handle for ****, but the Nordschleife tests high speed cars. Plain and simple. It's not easy getting a car to turn @ 175+

When do they plan on producing the car?
wtf are u talking about? yeah the ring is a big ****ing oval. :screwy:

[matthewAPM]

wtf are u talking about? yeah the ring is a big ****ing oval. :screwy:

x2. if u dont know what ur talking about then GTFO

[OneSlow5pt0]

the ring is like 75+ turns

and the radical shouldnt be on list,

[IDCoconut]

Just stating that a high speed car can easily overcome a car with similar characteristics, but has less top end on the ring. That's something you can't deny when the main straight is nearly 3miles long.

[IDCoconut]

x2. if u dont know what ur talking about then GTFO

LOL.

[matthewAPM]

radical was actually not the fastest car on the strights. its all about grip. and the bmw and the radical both have it

[Ruiner]

BMW CSL ran a 7:22

the radical...6:55

Umm, not exactly...

"These lap time were measured under different levels of scrutiny under various conditions, track lengths, drivers and preparation time."

With that said, it was a 600hp M3 CSL...which is a HIGHLY tuned car:

Loaded BMW M3 CSL (http://www.loaded.se/) ~600PS/1427kg

[matthewAPM]

LOL.

good point tho. but its not about the stright. grip and braking. and on a track like that. speed maintenance.

[Ruiner]

radical was actually not the fastest car on the strights. its all about grip. and the bmw and the radical both have it

Like I said, some of the "times" were done on a shorter track. However, here is the official time for a stock M3 CSL (remember that they run R-comps from the factory):

BMW M3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3) E46 CSL 360 PS/1421 kg - 7:50

[matthewAPM]

Umm, not exactly...

"These lap time were measured under different levels of scrutiny under various conditions, track lengths, drivers and preparation time."

With that said, it was a 600hp M3 CSL...which is a HIGHLY tuned car:

Loaded BMW M3 CSL (http://www.loaded.se/) ~600PS/1427kg

No sh!t. WTF do u think i just said about the BMW. its a street car. who cares.

and its always going to be different track conditions and drivers and prep time. if u wanna hold the record u better prep and come with the best driver.

and the track length thing, yeah the difference when they changed it was just a few feet.

[Ruiner]

MatthewAPM - here is the time for the tuned 996 Turbo:

7:04.00 Porsche 996 Turbo

That is not a stock 911 turbo, however, much like your quoted CSL time.

[matthewAPM]

but it doesnt count. which IMAO it should. the difference is a few feet. we are talking about thousands of a second at that speed.

still not faster than radical

[OneSlow5pt0]

o well.........ill still take a Benz SL65 over it

[Ruiner]

No sh!t. WTF do u think i just said about the BMW. its a street car. who cares.

and its always going to be different track conditions and drivers and prep time. if u wanna hold the record u better prep and come with the best driver.

and the track length thing, yeah the difference when they changed it was just a few feet.

That CSL was modified, not stock. You can't talk Apples to Apples when that happens.

You are comparing times of a modified CSL to times of stock cars. The radicals, for the most part, are not street legal from what I remember. They are not street cars.

[Leadfoot_mf]

http://www.radicalextremesportscars.com/media/track_race_ring/index.php

[Ruiner]

but it doesnt count. which IMAO it should. the difference is a few feet. we are talking about thousands of a second at that speed.

still not faster than radical

A radical is not a street car, though.

[Leadfoot_mf]

That CSL was modified, not stock. You can't talk Apples to Apples when that happens.

You are comparing times of a modified CSL to times of stock cars. The radicals, for the most part, are not street legal from what I remember. They are not street cars.
they are street legal in some places just not every where.

[Leadfoot_mf]

lol ruiner is about to pistol whip someone.

[matthewAPM]

bull fawkin sheet. ive rode in one. on the street. LEGALLY

[OneSlow5pt0]

do u think its fair to compare a ZX-14R to a Viper?

thats what its like comparing a radical to a M3

[Ruiner]

bull fawkin sheet. ive rode in one. on the street. LEGALLY

Umm, where?

[Ruiner]

they are street legal in some places just not every where.

What states?

[matthewAPM]

here. ga. road atlanta. i think i got a pic somewhere.

[Ruiner]

here. ga. road atlanta. i think i got a pic somewhere.

Road Atlanta is not the street. They are not legal to be driven on GA Streets from what I remember.

They lack emissions, airbags, safety equipment, crash bars, etc. Why do you think that they can't EASILY bring over the Porsche 959 or any of the R32-R34 GTR Skylines?

[Leadfoot_mf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNRtsLHrs0o

[Leadfoot_mf]

Road Atlanta is not the street. They are not legal to be driven on GA Streets from what I remember.

They lack emissions, airbags, safety equipment, crash bars, etc. Why do you think that they can't EASILY bring over the Porsche 959 or any of the R32-R34 GTR Skylines?
yeah not ga we cant have it or the arial.

[Leadfoot_mf]

http://www.springmountainmotorsports.com/2005/02/07/radical-west-racing-news-february-2005/

[Ruiner]

yeah not ga we cant have it or the arial.

According to matthewAPM, he legally road in one on the GA Streets. I would LOVE to see him explain himself.

[matthewAPM]

as i remember alot of cars dont have air bags, b/s b/s b/s. crash bars? the thing is a carbon/tub chassis with race seats and belts. a atom is also street legal here. and the guy drove the car to the track, ran it ON the track, then drove it home.

[matthewAPM]

im looking for the pics. but im not sure where it was registered.

[Ruiner]

as i remember alot of cars dont have air bags, b/s b/s b/s. crash bars? the thing is a carbon/tub chassis with race seats and belts. a atom is also street legal here. and the guy drove the car to the track, ran it ON the track, then drove it home.

NEW cars have to have air bags, emissions, crash bars, etc. I know that you are young, but don't argue with me here.

Just because someone drove it to the track and back doesn't mean that it was done so legally. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

"Well, he drove it to the track, so it MUST be legal..."

Why do you think that Porsche is no longer bringing the CGT to the states?

[Leadfoot_mf]

as i remember alot of cars dont have air bags, b/s b/s b/s. crash bars? the thing is a carbon/tub chassis with race seats and belts. a atom is also street legal here. and the guy drove the car to the track, ran it ON the track, then drove it home.
no the adam is not street legal in ga.

[Leadfoot_mf]

NEW cars have to have air bags, emissions, crash bars, etc. I know that you are young, but don't argue with me here.

Just because someone drove it to the track and back doesn't mean that it was done so legally. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

"Well, he drove it to the track, so it MUST be legal..."
ha that is where you are wrong what about superformance cobras

[Ruiner]

ha that is where you are wrong what about superformance cobras

Those are replicas of cars from a time when they did not have to comply with those rules. It's a loophole. :)

[Leadfoot_mf]

back when the elise first came out dealers where importing them here and driving them on the street illegally with their dealer plates.

[matthewAPM]

idk if it was registered in ga. but i know it was driven to the track. legally. tags, etc. etc. i cant remember the event but i want to say it was year one. and the atom was driven there. but idk if that was legally or not. never talked to the guy

[Leadfoot_mf]

????
you can build kit cars and register them as 1960's cars and not have to meet federal standards. it is grandfathered in.

[matthewAPM]

i got no air bag. my miata had no air bag.

[Ruiner]

idk if it was registered in ga. but i know it was driven to the track. legally. tags, etc. etc. i cant remember the event but i want to say it was year one. and the atom was driven there. but idk if that was legally or not. never talked to the guy

They aren't legal.

[Ruiner]

i got no air bag. my miata had no air bag.

WHEN was your Miata made?

I "have" no air bag....not "got".

[OneSlow5pt0]

so a noble m400 is a kit car.....but it is legal right

damn,i didnt know we wernt getting CGTs anymore that sucks

[Leadfoot_mf]

NEW cars have to have air bags, emissions, crash bars, etc. I know that you are young, but don't argue with me here.

Just because someone drove it to the track and back doesn't mean that it was done so legally. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

"Well, he drove it to the track, so it MUST be legal..."

Why do you think that Porsche is no longer bringing the CGT to the states?
cause rich assholes that cant drive keep killing themselves in them.

[matthewAPM]

yeah...ok. ill send an email to radical tonite asking them what states they are legal in.

[Ruiner]

you can build kit cars and register them as 1960's cars and not have to meet federal standards. it is grandfathered in.

Yes, I know. I went back and changed it after I figured out what you were talking about. I am talking about vehicles that have production dates (new) since '96 or '00 or '04, etc. The federal government has been making a lot of changes.

For example, every car made in '96 and up have to comply with the ODBII standard for their ECUs if they are to be sold in the US. This is to control emissions.

[Leadfoot_mf]

nevada

[Ruiner]

cause rich assholes that cant drive keep killing themselves in them.

I knew Ben. :( That was a sad tragedy.

However, the US wants Porsche to put in another airbag and Porsche won't do it. Thus, they told the US to "**** themselves" and will no longer sell the car here (last I heard).

[Leadfoot_mf]

Yes, I know. I went back and changed it after I figured out what you were talking about. I am talking about vehicles that have production dates (new) since '96 or '00 or '04, etc. The federal government has been making a lot of changes.

For example, every car made in '96 and up have to comply with the ODBII standard for their ECUs if they are to be sold in the US. This is to control emissions.
yeah i saw that. but there are always loopholes just take alot of grease to make the car fit through them.

[matthewAPM]

WHEN was your Miata made?

I "have" no air bag....not "got".

94.

what are u, a teacher? i dont care. its a forum

[Leadfoot_mf]

I knew Ben. :( That was a sad tragedy.

However, the US wants Porsche to put in another airbag and Porsche won't do it. Thus, they told the US to "**** themselves" and will no longer sell the car here (last I heard).
dont blame them the cost would be so counter productive.

[Leadfoot_mf]

94.

what are u, a teacher? i dont care. its a forum
a 94 miata would have 2 airbags so you removed them for racing.

[matthewAPM]

Porsche is the S***. america sucks in terms of laws for cars. i could go to germany and DD a gt3 cup car. but not here.

[matthewAPM]

a 94 miata would have 2 airbags so you removed them for racing.

yep. detachable wheel. lol.

[OneSlow5pt0]

I knew Ben. :( That was a sad tragedy.

However, the US wants Porsche to put in another airbag and Porsche won't do it. Thus, they told the US to "**** themselves" and will no longer sell the car here (last I heard).

how much u wanna bet some wanna be racecar drive kills himself in a zr1 a month after they come out.....

[Ruiner]

94.

what are u, a teacher? i dont care. its a forum

Read and learn:
"On July 11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_11), 1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984), the U.S. government required cars being produced after April 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1), 1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989) to have driver's side air bags or automatic seat belts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_seat_belts) (the automatic seat belt was a technology, now discarded, that "forced" motorists to wear seatbelts). Airbag introduction was stimulated by the U.S. DOT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Transportation).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag#_note-5) However, airbags were not mandatory on trucks until 1995.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]

In 1998, dual front airbags were mandated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Highway_Traffic_Safety_Administration) (NHTSA), and de-powered, or second-generation air bags were also mandated. This was due to the injuries caused by first-generation air bags that were designed to be powerful enough to restrain people who were not wearing seatbelts."

[matthewAPM]

i got 50 bucks on it. i hate people with to much money and zero talent

[matthewAPM]

Read and learn:
"On July 11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_11), 1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984), the U.S. government required cars being produced after April 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1), 1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989) to have driver's side air bags or automatic seat belts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_seat_belts) (the automatic seat belt was a technology, now discarded, that "forced" motorists to wear seatbelts). Airbag introduction was stimulated by the U.S. DOT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Transportation).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag#_note-5) However, airbags were not mandatory on trucks until 1995.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]

In 1998, dual front airbags were mandated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Highway_Traffic_Safety_Administration) (NHTSA), and de-powered, or second-generation air bags were also mandated. This was due to the injuries caused by first-generation air bags that were designed to be powerful enough to restrain people who were not wearing seatbelts."

ok? ur point? i still didnt one.

[Leadfoot_mf]

i got 50 bucks on it. i hate people with to much money and zero talent
i have too much talent and not enough money :(

[Ruiner]

Porsche is the S***. america sucks in terms of laws for cars. i could go to germany and DD a gt3 cup car. but not here.

I'm very well familiar with Porsche as you can see (before you joined the forum):

http://i12.tinypic.com/87baixi.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/6pthnus.jpg

[Ruiner]

ok? ur point? i still didnt one.

It had one, right?

[matthewAPM]

i have too much talent and not enough money :(

and weight. lol. dude SM is coming...

[matthewAPM]

I'm very well familiar with Porsche as you can see (before you joined the forum):





what happened to it?

[Leadfoot_mf]

It had one, right?
2.

[Ruiner]

what happened to it?

Nothing, I got bored and sold it.

[ironchef]

I knew Ben. :( That was a sad tragedy.

However, the US wants Porsche to put in another airbag and Porsche won't do it. Thus, they told the US to "**** themselves" and will no longer sell the car here (last I heard).Well they no longer sell it here cause the car is out of production.

[Leadfoot_mf]

Nothing, I got bored and sold it.
cause there is nothing boring about a pathfinder.

[Ruiner]

2.

Right, so being that the radical is a "newer" type car, it has to have them as well if they are to be legal in the US. The car isn't based off of any other car (as far as I know), so I doubt that it could get grandfathered in as a replica of any sort.

[Ruiner]

Well they no longer sell it here cause the car is out of production.

I believe that it is still in production in limited quantities. Either way, the US law is what killed off the market for producing them if that is the case.

[Leadfoot_mf]

Right, so being that the radical is a "newer" type car, it has to have them as well if they are to be legal in the US. The car isn't based off of any other car (as far as I know), so I doubt that it could get grandfathered in as a replica of any sort.
they got it done i nevada. i posted a link in here earlier.

[matthewAPM]

Nothing, I got bored and sold it.

and u got a pathfinder? dude. trackdays! or sell it for something cool. but a SUV?

[Ruiner]

cause there is nothing boring about a pathfinder.

The Pathfinder replaced the Land Rover. I haven't replaced the sports car....yet.

[ironchef]

I believe 2006 was the last year of production, with a total run of about 1250 cars. However, they originally planned on 1500, yet the sales weren't what they expected so they lessened the production amount.

[Leadfoot_mf]

The Pathfinder replaced the Land Rover. I haven't replaced the sports car....yet.
just reminding you i know you are waiting for the gtr.

[Ruiner]

and u got a pathfinder? dude. trackdays! or sell it for something cool. but a SUV?

Umm, I had a Land Rover Disco II that I sold. I replaced it with the Pathfinder. Nobody said that I replaced a 911 turbo with a Pathfinder. Where do ya'll get that info from? :???:

[Leadfoot_mf]

what was this thread about :thinking:

[matthewAPM]

well i didnt see a car in ur sig so thats what i was thinking. so next car is....

[Ruiner]

I believe 2006 was the last year of production, with a total run of about 1250 cars. However, they originally planned on 1500, yet the sales weren't what they expected so they lessened the production amount.

"Originally a production run of 1,500 cars was planned. But Porsche announced in August, 2005 that it would not continue production of the Carrera GT through 2006, citing discontinuation was due to changing airbag regulations in the US. As of May 6, 2006, 1,270 GT's had been manufactured, with 604 being sold in the United States.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Carrera_GT#_note-0)"

[Leadfoot_mf]

"Originally a production run of 1,500 cars was planned. But Porsche announced in August, 2005 that it would not continue production of the Carrera GT through 2006, citing discontinuation was due to changing airbag regulations in the US. As of May 6, 2006, 1,270 GT's had been manufactured, with 604 being sold in the United States.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Carrera_GT#_note-0)"
how many of teh 604 are still on the road?

[Ruiner]

well i didnt see a car in ur sig so thats what i was thinking. so next car is....

Probably the GTR or maybe a C6 ZO6. I'm leaning towards a white GTR, though.

[ironchef]

Underlined part is cool and all, but nevertheless the point is is that its not in production at all anymore. See here, http://www.sybarites.org/2006/05/11/porsche-announce-the-end-of-carrera-gt-production

[matthewAPM]

what was this thread about :thinking:

NASCAR!!!

[Ruiner]

how many of teh 604 are still on the road?

I believe that Usher's still is. :) I ****ed around with him ealier this year (before I sold my 911).

[Leadfoot_mf]

I believe that Usher's still is. :) I ****ed around with him ealier this year (before I sold my 911).
i how many in atl i saw one at the bimmer store the dealer was abusing for my pleasure. reving the piss out of a cold motor to shoot flames. i was cool is that your car he laughed and said no......fuking ****.

[matthewAPM]

Probably the GTR or maybe a C6 ZO6. I'm leaning towards a white GTR, though.

in a price to performance comparission...C6 Z06 is the car to have IMAO. one of my favorite sayings came in car and driver not to long ago about the vette..."most underestimated super car"

[Leadfoot_mf]

in a price to performance comparission...C6 Z06 is the car to have IMAO. one of my favorite sayings came in car and driver not to long ago about the vette..."most underestimated super car"
the zr1 will have carbon ceramic brakes.

[Ruiner]

in a price to performance comparission...C6 Z06 is the car to have IMAO. one of my favorite sayings came in car and driver not to long ago about the vette..."most underestimated super car"

The GTR will be the same price plus it will have AWD. The twin turbo setup will cater to mods very easily.

The interior of the Vette upsets me. Remember, I come from having 911 turbo and a Land Rover; both of which had VERY nice interiors.

[matthewAPM]

oo yeah. i want.

btw, is the tag office open tomorrow?

[ironchef]

The GTR will be the same price plus it will have AWD. The twin turbo setup will cater to mods very easily.

The interior of the Vette upsets me. Remember, I come from having 911 turbo and a Land Rover; both of which had VERY nice interiors.Its a shame too, the exterior looks great, and obviously the performance is fantastic. It would be a great overall car if the interior was up to snuff.

[matthewAPM]

The GTR will be the same price plus it will have AWD. The twin turbo setup will cater to mods very easily.

The interior of the Vette upsets me. Remember, I come from having 911 turbo and a Land Rover; both of which had VERY nice interiors.

I HATE AWD! as a DD its ok but on a track it blows. and the vette takes mods very easy. idk how much a exhaust gives but its A LOT on a vette

but the interior....yeah it sucks.

[OneSlow5pt0]

The GTR will be the same price plus it will have AWD. The twin turbo setup will cater to mods very easily.

The interior of the Vette upsets me. Remember, I come from having 911 turbo and a Land Rover; both of which had VERY nice interiors.

id say the GTR would be a better all round car......but id take the benz slk55 amg:goodjob:

[Ruiner]

Its a shame too, the exterior looks great, and obviously the performance is fantastic. It would be a great overall car if the interior was up to snuff.

Yes, it would be. However, it still "feels" out of control. I dunno how to explain it. Keep in mind that my last two cars have been 450hp+ and AWD. The element of control was always there. When I drove my buddy's ZO6, it just "feels" so much more on the edge. I guess it just takes some getting used to.

[Ruiner]

I HATE AWD! as a DD its ok but on a track it blows. and the vette takes mods very easy. idk how much a exhaust gives but its A LOT on a vette

but the interior....yeah it sucks.

The exhaust doesn't give THAT much on a N/A car; even the Vette. Putting in a new CAM is where you gain your hp.

Keep in mind that the GTR beat the C6 Z on the ring. Keep in mind that Audi has been banned from many circuit races because of their AWD setup; it was such an advantage. Now, when you talk about F1 cars, no, but in circuit races depending on the class, AWD shines.

[matthewAPM]

its because a Z06 is a super car. i hear that alot. ive only autocrossed one but DAMN! but u can NEVER use 1st gear. even tho it goes to 60

[Ruiner]

its because a Z06 is a super car. i hear that alot. ive only autocrossed one but DAMN! but u can NEVER use 1st gear. even tho it goes to 60

The GTR is a supercar, then, with that logic.

[matthewAPM]

is that y LMP cars are RWD? dont want to start an fighting about this one but thats y the RSRs went to RWD

[OneSlow5pt0]

The GTR is a supercar, then, with that logic.

neither Z06 or GT-R are super cars

[ironchef]

The GTR is a supercar, then, with that logic.Theres very little logic to be found in this thread :lmfao:.

[matthewAPM]

The GTR is a supercar, then, with that logic.

i have never driven a GTR (obviously) but it seems to be more of a super fast street car where the vette can be driven on the street, but id rather keep it on the track. but i have heard about ppl saying they are to twitchy. idk y. seems fine to me

[matthewAPM]

neither Z06 or GT-R are super cars

ok webster of cars

[OneSlow5pt0]

ok webster of cars

i am very very slow to call something a super car........imo,it just has to be soemthing totally extreme and different....which neiter the GTR or Z06 are

[Ruiner]

is that y LMP cars are RWD? dont want to start an fighting about this one but thats y the RSRs went to RWD

I said DEPENDING ON CLASS when I made my statement. *sigh* If weight is a concern, then AWD is out. That's common sense.

In 1995, Audi was banned from BTCC because the Audi Quattro was unbeatable.

In 1989, Audi was basically banned from the SCCA Trans Am series (If I remember correctly, AWD was banned). Audi dominated the 1988 TA series despite rule change(s) during the season that reduced Audi's horsepower. Note: Audi came into the season with less horsepower and more weight than (most) of their competitors.

From quick googleing, it appears that AWD is banned in many racing series (from what I can tell: American Le Mans, Grand Am, GTS and every open wheel series) because it is considered an "unfair advantage".
In the series where AWD is allowed, there is usually a significant weight penalty and many times a tire size penalty as well.

[matthewAPM]

its up to par with any "super car" out there. i can see where u are coming from. and i would never think that of a vette. they just dont hit me as one. but until u drive one fast, u will not understand

[Ruiner]

i have never driven a GTR (obviously) but it seems to be more of a super fast street car where the vette can be driven on the street, but id rather keep it on the track. but i have heard about ppl saying they are to twitchy. idk y. seems fine to me

Did you drive a C5 or C6 ZO6? They are two totally different animals.

[matthewAPM]

I said DEPENDING ON CLASS when I made my statement. *sigh* If weight is a concern, then AWD is out. That's common sense.

In 1995, Audi was banned from BTCC because the Audi Quattro was unbeatable.

In 1989, Audi was basically banned from the SCCA Trans Am series (If I remember correctly, AWD was banned). Audi dominated the 1988 TA series despite rule change(s) during the season that reduced Audi's horsepower. Note: Audi came into the season with less horsepower and more weight than (most) of their competitors.

From quick googleing, it appears that AWD is banned in many racing series (from what I can tell: American Le Mans, Grand Am, GTS and every open wheel series) because it is considered an "unfair advantage".
In the series where AWD is allowed, there is usually a significant weight penalty and many times a tire size penalty as well.

banned from SWC GT also. but they run them in TC and cant keep up with the mazdas.

[matthewAPM]

Did you drive a C5 or C6 ZO6? They are two totally different animals.

ive driven both. the C5 is a sports car, the C6 is a flat out beast.

[OneSlow5pt0]

its up to par with any "super car" out there. i can see where u are coming from. and i would never think that of a vette. they just dont hit me as one. but until u drive one fast, u will not understand

iv driven my uncles C5,and if i never drive another vette...i wont be sad.....i had way more fun driving my friends FD than his C5.......and yea its close to it in performace,but thiers more to a supercar than just performace

[matthewAPM]

iv driven my uncles C5,and if i never drive another vette...i wont be sad.....i had way more fun driving my friends FD than his C5.......and yea its close to it in performace,but thiers more to a supercar than just performace

a C5 is nothing compaired to a C6. really. the C5 felt weird to me at first. no real feel to it.

and i see what u are talking about with the supercars. it has to have that wow feel to it in all aspects

[Jaimecbr900]

Mr. Matthew, you seem to have a pretty big chip on your shoulder. Considering you're a newb and the company you have right now, you should be far more humble than cocky.


My :2cents: .

[matthewAPM]

Mr. Matthew, you seem to have a pretty big chip on your shoulder. Considering you're a newb and the company you have right now, you should be far more humble than cocky.


My :2cents: .

ok? thanks there mr lexus.

[Jaimecbr900]

ok? thanks there mr lexus.

No problem Mr. wrong side of the road civic.....:rolleyes:


Whatever, keep being cocky. :rolleyes:

[matthewAPM]

No problem Mr. wrong side of the road civic.....:rolleyes:


Whatever, keep being cocky. :rolleyes:

lol. man thats old. reps 4 u.

[matthewAPM]

anyway...is the tag office open tomorrow? lol. i gotta get my tag....if it passes emissions this time

[collins]

LOL owned by jamie

[Jaimecbr900]

lol. man thats old. reps 4 u.

It's old because you want everyone to forget about your dumb move. Maybe you shouldn't have talked so much in that thread then, huh? Better yet, not pulled that kind of move in the first place.

It's ironic that you're not old enough to drink, yet you're arguing with a man that has owned cars you can only DREAM of ever having let alone drive. That makes you cocky and a fool in my book.

[matthewAPM]

It's old because you want everyone to forget about your dumb move. Maybe you shouldn't have talked so much in that thread then, huh? Better yet, not pulled that kind of move in the first place.

It's ironic that you're not old enough to drink, yet you're arguing with a man that has owned cars you can only DREAM of ever having let alone drive. That makes you cocky and a fool in my book.

ur exactly right. i dont want people to remember that. it was dumb. but its old at the same time. its done.

and yeah, im young and yeah i cant drink (i could care less), and yeah i dont drive a fancy car. but i dont have money like some people. and that is great for them. but im fine with what i drive. and i know that it was bought with MY money so that make me proud. and about the cars i havent driven?? u might have driven some street cars that i havent before but i know a lot of cars that ive driven on a track that u havent. and u seem to be cocky urself.

[Ruiner]

No problem Mr. wrong side of the road civic.....:rolleyes:


Whatever, keep being cocky. :rolleyes:

Wrong side of the road?

[collins]

brandon, this fool passed an ambulance,among others, on a double yellow on the santa run

[matthewAPM]

Wrong side of the road?

JDM. lol. not really. its about santa run. all the videos of ME doing stupid stuff. it was a once in a life time things and i plan on not doing one again and everyone hates on me b.c of it. and thats understood. but its old. they just like to bring it up.

[collins]

homeslice, it wasnt that long ago...

[matthewAPM]

can some please answer my question. is the tag office open tomorrow?

[81911SC]

APM, you are drowning in this thread. Stop posting.

[Jaimecbr900]

ur exactly right. i dont want people to remember that. it was dumb. but its old at the same time. its done.

and yeah, im young and yeah i cant drink (i could care less), and yeah i dont drive a fancy car. but i dont have money like some people. and that is great for them. but im fine with what i drive. and i know that it was bought with MY money so that make me proud. and about the cars i havent driven?? u might have driven some street cars that i havent before but i know a lot of cars that ive driven on a track that u havent. and u seem to be cocky urself.


:blah: :blah: :blah: Driving a car a lap around some parking lot or some track doesn't make it either A: your car, nor B: enough to make you an authority about it.

Listen, I've been DRIVING longer than you've been ALIVE. So I seriously doubt you have any car experience that I couldn't trump you on. I've OWNED, not borrowed to drive a hot lap on the track, and RACED more cars than you could fathom. I was running real fast cars back when lap belts hung on two clips on the headliner. You probably have no clue what that is, do you? Since you're a newb around here, you should probably eat a little humble pie before walking around with some kind of king ding-a-ling chip on your shoulder. Ruiner and LF were right all along. It took you pages to figure out what we all knew since the beginning.

Why am I "cocky"? Because I called YOU that? Talk about original. :rolleyes:

[matthewAPM]

APM, you are drowning in this thread. Stop posting.

can u tell me if its open? back to the ring. wht do u think should classify a car for the street car track record?

[matthewAPM]

:blah: :blah: :blah: Driving a car a lap around some parking lot or some track doesn't make it either A: your car, nor B: enough to make you an authority about it.

Listen, I've been DRIVING longer than you've been ALIVE. So I seriously doubt you have any car experience that I couldn't trump you on. I've OWNED, not borrowed to drive a hot lap on the track, and RACED more cars than you could fathom. I was running real fast cars back when lap belts hung on two clips on the headliner. You probably have no clue what that is, do you? Since you're a newb around here, you should probably eat a little humble pie before walking around with some kind of king ding-a-ling chip on your shoulder. Ruiner and LF were right all along. It took you pages to figure out what we all knew since the beginning.

Why am I "cocky"? Because I called YOU that? Talk about original. :rolleyes:

parking lot? shows what u know.

[81911SC]

:blah: :blah: :blah: Driving a car a lap around some parking lot or some track doesn't make it either A: your car, nor B: enough to make you an authority about it.

Listen, I've been DRIVING longer than you've been ALIVE. So I seriously doubt you have any car experience that I couldn't trump you on. I've OWNED, not borrowed to drive a hot lap on the track, and RACED more cars than you could fathom. I was running real fast cars back when lap belts hung on two clips on the headliner. You probably have no clue what that is, do you? Since you're a newb around here, you should probably eat a little humble pie before walking around with some kind of king ding-a-ling chip on your shoulder. Ruiner and LF were right all along. It took you pages to figure out what we all knew since the beginning.

Why am I "cocky"? Because I called YOU that? Talk about original. :rolleyes:
I love this guy. :kiss:

[81911SC]

can u tell me if its open? back to the ring. wht do u think should classify a car for the street car track record?
Radicals are not street cars. It should be open.

[Jaimecbr900]

parking lot? shows what u know.

What racetrack do you autocross at? Most autocrosses are run in parking lots. Argue with me on that too.:rolleyes:

[collins]

to answer your damn question, yes the f*king tag office is open. why wouldnt it be?

dude, chill out a little. you're making yourself look more like an ass with every post.

[matthewAPM]

I love this guy. :kiss:

everyone on IA takes everything soooo serious. damn. who cares.

[81911SC]

everyone on IA takes everything soooo serious. damn. who cares.
It's not our fault you're wrong.

[matthewAPM]

What racetrack do you autocross at? Most autocrosses are run in parking lots. Argue with me on that too.:rolleyes:

my civic is an autocross car. and thats the only thing i have to show on this forum thats mine. but i road race just as much. if u dont know me then dont talk.

[matthewAPM]

to answer your damn question, yes the f*king tag office is open. why wouldnt it be?

dude, chill out a little. you're making yourself look more like an ass with every post.

thank u for the answer. reps 2 u

[Dracc]

da hell is going on here.. .

[matthewAPM]

da hell is going on here.. .

pm

[Jaimecbr900]

my civic is an autocross car.

And WHERE is it that you "autocross" that car???? Parking lots or Racetracks??? :rolleyes:


and thats the only thing i have to show on this forum thats mine.

Yet another reason why you should be more humble and less cocky.


but i road race just as much.

Ok, I'm going to bite. IN WHAT do you "road race" as much in?


if u dont know me then dont talk.

From what I've seen, you're a cocky kid that has a lot to learn. Like when to sit back and be quiet. You argued until you fell back on your ass when Brandon pulled his patented move and schooled you by quoting the LAW. He is the LAST person you want to argue LAWS with. You would know that if you weren't a cocky newb. That's the point. One point you won't get until you get that chip off your shoulder.

Wanna keep talking? Go for it. I need the material for later use. ;)

[Dracc]

pm

da fawk you pm'ing me fo.. idont know you.. i say we ban Mr Wrong side of the road civic..... or i'll beat his ass in real life.. which one.. either one he aint gone like it
































































you still coming to get me sunday right matt :ninja:

[Dracc]

And WHERE is it that you "autocross" that car???? Parking lots or Racetracks??? :rolleyes: ;)



wet lowes parkin lots on christmas.... dont believe me.. i got video on my fone... Shhhhhh dont tell him though :ninja:

[collins]

on a side note, and somewhat back on topic... THAT EFFING LEXUS IS HAWT! i saw the pic and the first words out of my mouth were GOT DAYUM! lol :D

[Dracc]

on a side note, and somewhat back on topic... THAT EFFING LEXUS IS HAWT! i saw the pic and the first words out of my mouth were GOT DAYUM! lol :D



who da hell gave yo blacc ass permission to put us bacc on topic..

do me a favor collins --------------> exit stage right

[matthewAPM]

da fawk you pm'ing me fo.. idont know you.. i say we ban Mr Wrong side of the road civic..... or i'll beat his ass in real life.. which one.. either one he aint gone like it







you still coming to get me sunday right matt :ninja:

spot open in my car for sunday.

[GGPIS3]

everyone on IA takes everything soooo serious. damn. who cares.

not everyone is a kid on this forum... sometimes you need to show some respect to your elders. you argue like you're a kid and im actually quite surprised that ruiner has responded to most of your claims...

sometimes its better to listen than to talk... :goodjob:

[Dracc]

spot open in my car for sunday.




fawk you nagger... i'll get you banned now

[Dracc]

not everyone is a kid on this forum... sometimes you need to show some respect to your elders. you argue like you're a kid and im actually quite surprised that ruiner has responded to most of your claims...

sometimes its better to listen than to talk... :goodjob:



Pm's GGPIS3 a middle finger :2up:

























































whats good with ya .. aint seen you post up in a minute

[Dracc]

DeutscheBAG! (Deustche), crxsiguy ( gay), GGPIS3(fag), matthewAPM(homo), an0therh22 ( ball succa), Badger ( likes fat women), Leadfoot_mf ( needs a life) , ironchef ( can't cook worth ****), simontibbett ( coon), IDCoconut ( retarded)

[GGPIS3]

^^ same ol shiet... different day.. but damn.. this thread took a turn lol

oh and i still heart jaime

[matthewAPM]

Dracc (shut up)

[Dracc]

^^ same ol shiet... different day.. but damn.. this thread took a turn lol

oh and i still heart jaime


who doesnt love jaime :idb:.. yeah ofcourse the thread was going to go down hill..i'm in it

[Dracc]

Dracc (shut up)


me shut up?? and i was going to save you from a flame party .. but i see you like being the guest of honor... CONTINUE

[collins]

who da hell gave yo blacc ass permission to put us bacc on topic..

do me a favor collins --------------> exit stage right lol b1tch please. you just mad i wont let you drive the goat

[Dracc]

lol b1tch please. you just mad i wont let you drive the goat

oh oh oh.. you got jokes huh... * grabs slim jim ok*.. fawk you too nigha.... calls Julio and paul to ask for collins address* its all good.. i got something for that... * grabs OJ gloves... i'll see you in 20 minutes :ninja:

[Ruiner]

brandon, this fool passed an ambulance,among others, on a double yellow on the santa run

A. Are you ****ing kidding me?
B. That Santa Run was just recently done, wasn't it?

[Ruiner]

not everyone is a kid on this forum... sometimes you need to show some respect to your elders. you argue like you're a kid and im actually quite surprised that ruiner has responded to most of your claims...

sometimes its better to listen than to talk... :goodjob:

I was bored. It's been a long week and I just wanted to sit at home tonight and chill with the fiancee...

[RandomGuy]

No sh!t. WTF do u think i just said about the BMW. its a street car. who cares.

and its always going to be different track conditions and drivers and prep time. if u wanna hold the record u better prep and come with the best driver.

and the track length thing, yeah the difference when they changed it was just a few feet.haha I wouldn't call the CSL a street car

no radio, the entire body is CF, get hit once, and you're dead
the cabin is incredibly noisy, the factory tires are dangerous on wet roads, the only thing that makes it a street car is the turn signals and brake lights lol

[JITB]

matthew gettin TOLD!

[collins]

oh oh oh.. you got jokes huh... * grabs slim jim ok*.. fawk you too nigha.... calls Julio and paul to ask for collins address* its all good.. i got something for that... * grabs OJ gloves... i'll see you in 20 minutes :ninja: LOL @ you thinking that julio and paul know where i live. HAHA you're funny. keep tryin. or you could just try to run my tag, here i'll give it to you... E4T5H1T

[collins]

A. Are you ****ing kidding me?
B. That Santa Run was just recently done, wasn't it?
A: nope
B: yup

[EJ25RUN]

vid of lap anyone.... cause thats how the gtr debat isnt finished

[The Ninja]

I hereby declare this thread...OFF TOPIC!

Anyways....I can't wait to see the ZR-1 on the ring though. I want....

[1SICKLEX]

this car is supposed to be the main competitor for the new NSX
Uhh, no its not. Its meant to be a Ferrari competitor. Acura has not damn idea wtf they are doing with the NSX. We saw an ugly front engine V-10 concept and it got laughed at by the press and enthusiasts. They are BACK to the drawing board.

[1SICKLEX]

a $130,000 Lexus comapred to a $70,000 GTR

thats like comparing a $80000 z06 Vette to an RSX.

Thats like a Ferrari compared to a G37.

This lexus will be badass, but lets not get ahead of ourselves :)

Price is not the issue. The issue is what car is FASTEST on the Ring.

Is the GT-R the best bang for the buck? Hell yeah.

The LF-A is pure, RWD, V-10 N/A, lighter and sounds like a F-1 car with a 9k redline.

The GT-R is electronic madness that anyone can drive fast. The car is that good!

[1SICKLEX]

This thread needs pics.


And I agree with every got damn word Jaime and Dan say, even if I didn't read it all!!


http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/media/580x348/00/00d726b4be6f45c1bd59f93e3e99e7bc.jpg
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/media/580x348/97/97eb8ab68e624f96b641e49c5a430d34.jpg
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/media/580x348/b3/b3c872707d6344d9a9059bc13c470949.jpg

[1SICKLEX]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/01/lexus-lf-a---17.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/01/lexus-lf-a---15.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/01/lexus-lf-a---13.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/01/lexus-lf-a---06.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/01/lexus-lf-a---19.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/01/lexus-lf-a---08.jpg http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/01/lexus-lf-a---18.jpg

[1SICKLEX]

LF-A Sports Car Concept
The LF-A sports-car concept was originally shown at the 2005 NAIAS to express a bold new direction in styling for the Lexus brand. The goals for the new LF-A are no different than they were with the original concept: To build a supercar with world-class performance that is uniquely Lexus.

As with all new Lexus vehicles, the styling of the LF-A is rooted in a design direction called L-finesse. The concept of L-finesse was used to shape and detail the original LF-A, and it was used to reshape, redetail and redefine this latest version. Lexus has further refined the styling of the new LF-A to enhance its exotic nature with a greater use of curved surfaces and interesting details.

The running gear of the LF-A is just as it was with the original, powered by a high-revving 500-plus horsepower V10 engine. Its front mid-engine placement, along with a rear-mounted transaxle and rear-mounted radiators, allows for excellent weight distribution. The horsepower, superior aerodynamics, and revised styling make a top speed of 200 mph not only possible but probable.

An “F” logo, indicating the vehicle’s status as a part of the new “F” marque, is located on each front fender.

“The first LF-A was a pure concept, but one that we went so far as to conduct engineering analysis on,” said Carter. “This latest concept is much closer to a vehicle that we would bring to market, and one in which we will be gauging consumer interest.”

Lexus LF-A Preliminary Specifications

Powertrain
Engine: V10 (under 5.0 liters)
Horsepower: More than 500
Top Speed: Approximately 200 MPH

Tire Size
Front: 265/35R20
Rear: 305/30R20

Dimensions (inches)
Overall Length: 175.6
Overall Width: 74.6
Overall Height: 48.0
Wheelbase: 102.3

http://www.speedsportlife.com/photopost/data/1132/IMG_9947.jpg

[1SICKLEX]

So I took the liberty of chopping some colors. Iono what other colors you guys might want to see, so just let me know. Also, I used this view since it's my favorite view and in my opinion probably closer to production than the front view.

Black
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8441/blackzv6.jpg

IS-F blue
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6215/bluekf0.jpg

British racing green (yeah I don't know why but I think it looks GOOD)
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9782/greentx8.jpg

Matador red
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1847/redyd7.jpg

Smokey Granite Mica
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1746/sgmmk5.jpg

Crystal White (my personal favorite)
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/192/whitekz2.jpg

aaand... yellow. Because all exotic cars need to be seen in yellow at least once!
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1654/yellowfm6.jpg

Some PS of diff colors....

[Z0_o6]

that car is gorgeous. i agree on the point that the NSX will most likely not compete. Honda has never been in the game for raw power and numbers. However, that is the reason that the original NSX was so misunderstood, it never was very fast (not for the money) but it was BALANCED, which is why the few that get it, love them.

[1SICKLEX]

that car is gorgeous. i agree on the point that the NSX will most likely not compete. Honda has never been in the game for raw power and numbers. However, that is the reason that the original NSX was so misunderstood, it never was very fast (not for the money) but it was BALANCED, which is why the few that get it, love them.

The NSX really changed the game as it was good looking, reliable, nice interior and drove incredibly. The Germans and Italians had to answer.

The NSX-R (We never got it) is considered one of the greatest driving cars ever made.

http://www.wallpapers-land.net/cars/images/large/Honda%20NSX-R.jpg

Honda waited too long to revise it and then discontinued it. They lost more than $780 million on the NSX project allegedly. We have now seen 2 NSX concepts in 5 years and they are no closer to production today than 5 years ago.

[ironchef]

Thats some of the sickest color changing photoshops I've ever seen. If I didn't know that was Photoshop I would've thought it was the real deal.

[ahmonrah]

but still lives in the shadow of the new GTRumm, on a side note.......Deutsche, WTF IS GOIN ON IN YOUR SIG!? looks like some loony christian kiddie revival! complete with reverend raptor.....sidenote end.......THAT'S good news for lexus. hopefully nissan will respond.

[ahmonrah]

knihc2008;2346568
good job!

since i'm drawn to blue either way here's my fav:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6215/bluekf0.jpg

[Master Shake]

its a bad-ass car, but no need to have a 210mph top end. thats just ridiculous, no need for anyone to go that fast. maby 180, even then its still pushing the limits.
the nsx it might have a chance cause like it was stated above, it has a really good balance, and with the right amount of power behind it and a good gear ratio it just might keep up, may not beat it, but at least hang with the comp.

[Wurm]

invest a little more money in the gtr and kick the lexus ass and still save money

[Leadfoot_mf]

that car is gorgeous. i agree on the point that the NSX will most likely not compete. Honda has never been in the game for raw power and numbers. However, that is the reason that the original NSX was so misunderstood, it never was very fast (not for the money) but it was BALANCED, which is why the few that get it, love them.
lol at balanced ****ing miatas are balanced but they are still slow as ****.

[GGPIS3]

^^ when we going to shoot some more pool...?? maybe we can have a rally from different pool halls lol

[1SICKLEX]

its a bad-ass car, but no need to have a 210mph top end. thats just ridiculous, no need for anyone to go that fast. maby 180, even then its still pushing the limits.
the nsx it might have a chance cause like it was stated above, it has a really good balance, and with the right amount of power behind it and a good gear ratio it just might keep up, may not beat it, but at least hang with the comp.
It battles exotics and its about bragging rights. Hell we technically don't need cars to do 100mph in America, let alone 200 or 210.

The NSX would be killed and the NSX-R wouldn't stand much better, its best times on the Ring are;
7:56 --- Honda NSX-R - Motoharu Kurosawa, Best MOTORing
compared to
7:24 --- Lexus LF-A

Thats not even close on a track.

[Thighs]

still slower than both record-holding radicals, and the donkervoort.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

LEXUS FTL

[GGPIS3]

**** a radical... they aren't street cars.

[Thighs]

oh yes they are. if its street legal it can be a street car lol.

[OneSlow5pt0]

**** those big go karts

[Thighs]

hahah but its still a production street car... :goodjob:

[GGPIS3]

oh yes they are. if its street legal it can be a street car lol.


oh no.. not this again.... :rolleyes:

[Thighs]

haha nooo im not gonna start a huge e-fight over it...

im just saying, the lexus is fast, but it didnt smash the record like you said.. lol

[Maniac1]

Both cars, look hideous. But if I were to get any, I would go with the GT-R, cheaper and looks little better IMO.

[Jaimecbr900]

Good grief, give it up on the stupid Radical already.


It might be "street legal" in some states, just like a lot of retarded stuff is allowed in some states and not others. Are there "RADICAL" dealerships? What kind of annual production and sales numbers do they have? Does it pass emmissions? Does it have the proper safety equipment? Well, if the "no's" outnumber the "yes" then there's your answer. :rolleyes:

Didn't the Koenigg have some issues a few years ago qualifying for some records because of productions numbers?

[Jaimecbr900]

Both cars, look hideous. But if I were to get any, I would go with the GT-R, cheaper and looks little better IMO.

Dude, you do know your grill looks like a Peugeot, right???? :lmfao: :lmfao: JP.

[Maniac1]

Dude, you do know your grill looks like a Peugeot, right???? :lmfao: :lmfao: JP.Lolol I've never said it looked, cute. :(

But you have to take into consideration, that the lexus is still in the concept stage. So who knows how it'll look when they start the production starts. Im sure it'll be a badass car all around, power, handling, braking, ect. To me, as it sits right now, it's not the best looking car. To me, I would go with the GT-R. :p

[OneSlow5pt0]

Good grief, give it up on the stupid Radical already.


It might be "street legal" in some states, just like a lot of retarded stuff is allowed in some states and not others. Are there "RADICAL" dealerships? What kind of annual production and sales numbers do they have? Does it pass emmissions? Does it have the proper safety equipment? Well, if the "no's" outnumber the "yes" then there's your answer. :rolleyes:

Didn't the Koenigg have some issues a few years ago qualifying for some records because of productions numbers?

u cant get the new koenigg in america can u? with the bio fuel v8

[GGPIS3]

haha nooo im not gonna start a huge e-fight over it...

im just saying, the lexus is fast, but it didnt smash the record like you said.. lol


i did say i may be getting a little ahead of myself.... good grief!! :tongue1:

[Leadfoot_mf]

Good grief, give it up on the stupid Radical already.


It might be "street legal" in some states, just like a lot of retarded stuff is allowed in some states and not others. Are there "RADICAL" dealerships? What kind of annual production and sales numbers do they have? Does it pass emmissions? Does it have the proper safety equipment? Well, if the "no's" outnumber the "yes" then there's your answer. :rolleyes:

Didn't the Koenigg have some issues a few years ago qualifying for some records because of productions numbers?
they are legal in england where they are made. thats why they are on the list.

[1SICKLEX]

haha nooo im not gonna start a huge e-fight over it...

im just saying, the lexus is fast, but it didnt smash the record like you said.. lol
We didn't say it, everyone ELSE did.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/28/lexus-lf-a-unseats-porsche-gt2-as-king-of-the-ring
http://www.autospies.com/news/Lexus-LF-A-laps-the-Nurburgring-in-7-minutes-and-24-seconds-24268/

Radicals are cool and all but its not really a CAR, more of a kit car.

http://www.cgimotorsports.com/images/brands0124035_large.jpg

[1SICKLEX]

Again, the LF-A will go in production, the record is for production cars you can buy.

6:55 Radical SR8 360 PS/650 kg Michael Vergers 2005-09-28 Video
7:11 McLaren F1 #LMXP1 (Promotional Car) Mika Häkkinen Source
7:12 Radical SR3 Turbo 320 PS/500 kg Phil Bennett Test Drive 07/03
7:14 Donkervoort D8 RS 398 PS/760 kg Michael Düchting Sport Auto 11/05
7:15 Edo Porsche GT2 RS 612 PS/1284 kg Patrick Simon 2005-08-04 Video
7:18 Donkervoort D8 RS 370 PS/670 kg Michael Düchting Sport Auto 12/04
7:22 Loaded BMW M3 CSL ~600PS/1427kg Richard Göransson 2007-11-05 video incl RG + 30L fuel, MPSC tires, (Sport Auto Lap with 3 overtakes)
7:24 Pre-Production Lexus LF-A 1SICKLEX 2007 (with Jay-Z playing out of Mark Levinson system)
7:27.82 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 650 PS/1230 kg 2007-09 video Semi-wet conditions.
7:28 Porsche Carrera GT 612 PS/1380 kg Walter Röhrl 2004 Autobild 07/04
7:32 Porsche 997 GT2 2008 530 PS/1440 kg Walter Röhrl 2007 Motor Authority, Autobild Semi-slicks tires.
7:32 Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1380 kg Gemballa
7:34 Koenigsegg CCR 806 PS/1140 kg Horst von Saurma 2005-10-17 - 2005-10-18 Sport Auto Cold conditions
7:38.54* Nissan GT-R 480 PS/1740 kg Toshio Suzuki 2007-09-24 *NISSAN 10/7 Video[3] bridge to gantry. Run flat tires. Semi-wet conditions.
7:39 Porsche 997 GT3 415 PS/1395 kg Vincent (Enzo) Brulo Sport Auto 05/06
7:39 TechArt GTstreet (07) Sport Auto 10/07
7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 626PS/1768 kg Klaus Ludwig AutoBild
7:40 Bugatti Veyron 16/4 1001PS/1888 kg Wheels Magazine Australia, 12/05
7:41 Manthey Porsche GT3 M410 413 PS/1320 kg Lucas Luhr Autobild 07/04 160.868 km/h
7:42 Ford GT 550 PS/1521 kg Octane magazine, 11/05
7:42.9 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 505hp / 1450 kg Jan Magnussen 2005 Motor Trend[4] Muggy conditions
7:43 Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:43 TechArt GTstreet Sport Auto 08/01
7:44 Pagani Zonda S 550 PS/1280 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 02/05
7:46 Porsche 996 GT2 462 PS/1450 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 06/01
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 620PS/1690 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
7:47 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear 640 PS/n/a Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 01/07 Sport tyres
7:48 Audi TT 225 Coupe Quattro 365 PS/ 2005 [citation needed]
7:49 Blitz Toyota Supra 750PS Herbert Schürg 1997 Video Option Vol.50 Refer to link for modification details
7:50 BMW M3 E46 CSL 360 PS/1421 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 08/03
7:50 BMW X5 E53 LM Hans-Joachim Stuck 2000 EVO magazine 08/2005 BMW M70 S70B56 engine from a V12 LMR producing 750 bhp
7:50 Nissan GT-R 480ps/1740kg(3800lb) Horst von Saurma SportAuto 12/07 Semi-wet track
7:53 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 405 PS/1409.1 KG (3100 lb) Dave Hill [9]
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG 582 PS/1678kg Sport Auto 03/05
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight 233 PS/460 kg Robert Nearn EVO magazine 07/2000
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 490 PS/1493 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 01/06
7:56 Honda NSX-R (NA2) 280 PS/1270 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best MOTORing 08/02
7:56 Porsche 996 Turbo 420PS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 06/00
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 02/04 Sport tyres
7:59 Porsche 997 Carrera S Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/04 PASM setting “Performance”
7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Dirk Schoysmans Autocar magazine 1997 Without speed limiter
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10 2005-11-?? Motor Trend
7:59 Subaru Impreza Sti Spec-C 280 PS/1370 kg Subaru News 2004
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 280 PS/1540 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series Prototype (weight/horsepower different from production car)
8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series 507 PS/ 1790 kg Autobild 07/07
8:02:033 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione 450 PS/ 1580 kg [citation needed]
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005) 380 bhp/1570 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 10/05
8:03 Porsche 911 GT3 360 PS/1391 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 08/99
8:03 Honda NSX-R (NA1) 280 PS/1230 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best MOTORing 02/06
8:05 BMW M3 E92 420 PS/**** kg Horst von Saurma* Sport Auto 12/07 *Confirmation of weight and driver requested
8:06 Subaru WRX STi Spec-C 280 PS/1370 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring Video "NISMO Beast Unleashed"
8:07 BMW Z8 E52 400 PS/1615 kg autobild.de 06/01
8:09 Audi RS4 420 PS sport auto 06/2006
8:09 BMW M6 E63 507 PS/n/a Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 12/05 Sport tyres, limited to 259 km/h
8:09 Honda NSX-R 320 PS/1467 kg Sport Auto 08/02 Sport tires, suspension modification
8:10 Chrysler Viper GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 10/97
8:11 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR prototype 280 PS/1420 kg Takayuki Kino****a Best Motoring Video "Carrera Invasion"
8:13 BMW M5 E60 507 PS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 12/04
8:13 Ferrari 355 GTB Sport Auto 10/1994
8:22 Chevrolet Cobalt SS 2008 2.0 Turbo GM[citation needed]
8:22 Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 280 PS/1430 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring Video Special DVD
8:22 BMW M3 E46 343 PS/1584 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 12/00
8:22 BMW M Coupe E36/7 321 PS/1445 kg Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 10/98
8:24 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Sport Auto 05/04 Sport tires
8:25 Jaguar XKR Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:25 Porsche Cayman S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:24 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 11/99 Sport tires
8:25 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 11/02 Sport tires
8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe 306 PS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 306 hp
8:26 Nissan 350Z Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 10/03
8:28 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) 272 PS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 07/97
8:32 Porsche Boxster S 252 PS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 12/99
8:38 Honda NSX Sport Auto, 08/97
8:39 Honda S2000 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 01/00
8:40 Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic 344 PS/1505 kg Sport Auto 07/97 Crash involving civilian later in the lap
8:42 Lotus Exige Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 11/00 Sport tires
8:47 Honda Civic Type-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto 11/01
9:12 Jaguar S-Type Diesel Sabine Schmitz Top Gear Driven for an episode of Top Gear, (Series 5, Episode 5 Bridge to Gantry)[10]
10:08 Ford Transit (van) Sabine Schmitz Top Gear Driven for an episode of Top Gear, (Series 6, episode 7; Bridge to Gantry)

[OneSlow5pt0]

We didn't say it, everyone ELSE did.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/28/lexus-lf-a-unseats-porsche-gt2-as-king-of-the-ring
http://www.autospies.com/news/Lexus-LF-A-laps-the-Nurburgring-in-7-minutes-and-24-seconds-24268/

Radicals are cool and all but its not really a CAR, more of a kit car.

http://www.cgimotorsports.com/images/brands0124035_large.jpg

i think if cars like the atom and radical can be on the lis tthey should start running superbikes too...:D

[Crazy Asian]

Pre-Production Lexus LF-A 1SICKLEX 2007 (with Jay-Z playing out of Mark Levinson system)

HAHAHAHHAH LOLOLOL!

[1SICKLEX]

Pre-Production Lexus LF-A 1SICKLEX 2007 (with Jay-Z playing out of Mark Levinson system)

HAHAHAHHAH LOLOLOL!
What!?!!? That was me driving it!! The car is a beast!! I just flew back from Germany.

We really were not trying to break the record, we were testing the Mark Levinson system....

LMFAO!!!

[OneSlow5pt0]

on that list its not fair...........the zonda should get to run in dry condtions....Zonda is easy my fav supecar

[Crazy Asian]

I wanted the Gremlin to run. Why they goto be so racist.

[OneSlow5pt0]

I wanted the Gremlin to run. Why they goto be so racist.

how bout the ultimate driving machine that is the Pacer

[Thighs]

Good grief, give it up on the stupid Radical already.


It might be "street legal" in some states, just like a lot of retarded stuff is allowed in some states and not others. Are there "RADICAL" dealerships? What kind of annual production and sales numbers do they have? Does it pass emmissions? Does it have the proper safety equipment? Well, if the "no's" outnumber the "yes" then there's your answer. :rolleyes:

Didn't the Koenigg have some issues a few years ago qualifying for some records because of productions numbers?

it passes emissions if you put the proper emissions equipment on it, just like any other car. and of course it has the proper safety ****, you think they would let somebody RACE it if it wasnt safe enough for street driving? dont think so.

as far as production/sales numbers go, its a small number but its enough to be a production car.

get off your high horse about the new lex being the fastest production car on the ring. ITS NOT.

[1SICKLEX]

how bout the ultimate driving machine that is the Pacer
http://www.partaj.cz/imgs/ameriky/AMC/pacer/77amc_06_pacer.jpg

FTW!!!!

[Thighs]

dude that thing will pwn a f1 car on the ring...

[1SICKLEX]

it passes emissions if you put the proper emissions equipment on it, just like any other car. and of course it has the proper safety ****, you think they would let somebody RACE it if it wasnt safe enough for street driving? dont think so.

as far as production/sales numbers go, its a small number but its enough to be a production car.

get off your high horse about the new lex being the fastest production car on the ring. ITS NOT.
Again, WE did not say it, the EXPERTS are. NOT US. So get MAD at THEM. Clearly you know MORE than them.

How can you SERIOUSLY compare these 2 cars? One is a real car, the other a damn go-kart with a car engine.
Listen to this V-10!!! Like a damn F1 car!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShrOWznZbns

[Thighs]

im not the one who made the rules lol. the radical s STILL a street-legal production car.

and im not mad?

[1SICKLEX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL0MizcLEI0&feature=related

In translation, the guy says "Got damn that sounds incredible, that 1SICKLEX dude can drive"

[Thighs]

lolol

[Jaimecbr900]

it passes emissions if you put the proper emissions equipment on it, just like any other car. and of course it has the proper safety ****, you think they would let somebody RACE it if it wasnt safe enough for street driving? dont think so.

as far as production/sales numbers go, its a small number but its enough to be a production car.

get off your high horse about the new lex being the fastest production car on the ring. ITS NOT.

I'm not on any high horse. I'm just tired of hearing the same thing over and over and over and over again. Get some new material for God's sake. We got it. YOU would have sex right up the the Radical's tailpipe, we got it. It would seem the only one on any horse is you with your Radical OCD. Give it a rest.

Did the LFA beat the GTR's time? Yes or no? THAT was what the thread was about, was it not? Did the Lexus beat the GTR or not? It did. So why do ying yangs like you have to come in splitting hairs about crap that has nothing to do with that? If that's riding a high horse, then screw it....giddy up then. :rolleyes:

[GGPIS3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL0MizcLEI0&feature=related

In translation, the guy says "Got damn that sounds incredible, that 1SICKLEX dude can drive"


lol

[GGPIS3]

im not the one who made the rules lol. the radical s STILL a street-legal production car.

and im not mad?


is it street-legal in the US? real question

if its not, then it really doesn't matter to me.

[JITB]

i just cant accept the LFA as a supercar, i think its the lexus name...lol when i hear that i think of Luxury not performance. I also am irritated how the word "supra" was in every video on youtube with the lfa!

[GGPIS3]

^^ i've heard rumors that the new supra will be loosely based off the LFA..

[JITB]

^^ i've heard rumors that the new supra will be loosely based off the LFA..


so it will be like the sc300 was? supra under toyota, LFa under lexus?

i think if they do and they decide to use a different motor, it will be alot smaller...

[Thighs]

is it street-legal in the US? real question

if its not, then it really doesn't matter to me.

it is...

[OneSlow5pt0]

^^ i've heard rumors that the new supra will be loosely based off the LFA..

not really......the aka supra will be a hybrid car

[1SICKLEX]

i just cant accept the LFA as a supercar, i think its the lexus name...lol when i hear that i think of Luxury not performance. I also am irritated how the word "supra" was in every video on youtube with the lfa!
I can totally understand that. Its similar to 1989 when people couldn't think of Lexus as a Luxury brand.

They have clearly proven they are a serious competitor! This is is circa 1989, going to put Lexus on the SPORTS CAR map!!!

[Thighs]

i already think of lexus as a sports car brand. they have the IS series and those cars are all pretty damn fast...

[1SICKLEX]

not really......the aka supra will be a hybrid car

This is correct. The new Supra will more than likely be IS based and it will have the same 3.5 V-6 but with Hybrid power as well good for over 400hp.

The price should be high 30s to mid 40s with options.

The LF-A is a standalone model. New platform, new engine, everything....
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/203557/son_of_supra_will_be_a_hybrid.html
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/03/supras-decendent-will-come-equipped-with-hybrid-power/

[Jaimecbr900]

This is funny though. Do yall remember when that guy argued and argued with me a long time ago about how Lexus wasn't "luxury" because it wasn't delivered in an enclosed trailer????? :rolleyes: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:


I can understand how it's hard to see a Lex as a performance car. Hell, ask Dan....he knows first hand....~insert Rodney Dangerfield voice~....we get no respect, no respect I tell ya....:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[OneSlow5pt0]

yep,this is the car that will take the place of the supra in toyota's line up

http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/Toyota-FT-HS-Hybrid-Sports-Car_2.jpg

and if people can even metion a nissan as a supercar...deff a lexus can be one

[1SICKLEX]

This is funny though. Do yall remember when that guy argued and argued with me a long time ago about how Lexus wasn't "luxury" because it wasn't delivered in an enclosed trailer????? :rolleyes: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:


I can understand how it's hard to see a Lex as a performance car. Hell, ask Dan....he knows first hand....~insert Rodney Dangerfield voice~....we get no respect, no respect I tell ya....:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

http://www.kimrichter.com/Blog/uploaded_images/Album_no_respect-740625.jpg
Porsche named the 2007 most prestigious luxury automobile

Porsche used to be among Ferrari and Lambo but now it is with Mercedes and Luxury. Sad Embarassed

--- o ---

Luxury Institute Survey: Wealthy Consumers Rate Porsche, Mercedes and Lexus Most Prestigious Luxury Auto Brands of 2007

NEW YORK, NY -- (MARKET WIRE) -- April 05, 2007 -- For the second straight year, Porsche earned the top score as the most prestigious luxury automobile brand in the 2007 Luxury Brand Status Index (LBSI) survey from the independent New York-based Luxury Institute. Mercedes and Lexus tied for second place; BMW was rated third.

What wealthy consumers familiar with the brand had to say about Porsche:

-- "Fantasy, power, style and excitement."
-- "Well built, good reputation, good styling, and good performance, holds value, sporty, powerful, recaptures youth."
-- "It has always been a high-end car with design and elegance, and represents an accomplished person."
-- "It's a brand that I trust and respect. I own one and am proud of it."

"We enhanced our impartial surveys by asking for candid consumer comments as to why they would, or, would not, recommend luxury auto brands to people they care about most," said Milton Pedraza, CEO of the Luxury Institute. "Wealthy consumers tell us that Porsche stays true to its core values and to their enthusiasts. While consumers have had to endure bouts of schizophrenia and identity crises from some of their beloved luxury auto brands, Porsche remains, according to wealthy consumers familiar with the brand, an automobile that never loses its way on the luxury highway, even at high speeds."

Brands rated (alphabetically): Acura, Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Hyundai-Azera, Infiniti, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lexus, Lincoln, Mercedes, Porsche, and Volvo.

The summary results of this survey are available to members of the Luxury Board ( www.luxuryboard.com ), the world's first online community for luxury professionals, executives, and entrepreneurs.

The proprietary Luxury Brand Status Index (LBSI) survey is the only measure of the reputation of leading brands among wealthy Americans. A national sample of over 1,600 wealthy American consumers, with an average income of $313K, and average net worth of $3.3 million, was surveyed online. Survey results are weighted to match demographic and net worth profiles of the same audience according to the latest Survey of Consumer Finances from The Federal Reserve.

About the Luxury Institute

The Luxury Institute is the uniquely independent and impartial ratings and research institution that is the trusted and respected voice of the high net-worth consumer. The Institute provides a portfolio of proprietary publications and research that guides and educates high net-worth individuals and the companies that cater to them on leading edge trends, high net-worth consumer rankings and ratings of luxury brands, and best practices. The Luxury Institute also operates the Luxury Board ( www.luxuryboard.com ), the world's first global, membership-based online community for luxury goods and services executives, professionals and entrepreneurs. To reach the Luxury Institute, please call 646-792-2669 or go to www.luxuryinstitute.com.

[OneSlow5pt0]

thiers a reason why toyota is #1

[Crazy Asian]

Hyundai Genesis...looks like a freaking yacht.

[JITB]

i already think of lexus as a sports car brand. they have the IS series and those cars are all pretty damn fast...

u have 1 out of all the lexus vehicles...

they are tryin to get back into it. It will star with the LFA, and the technology/performance will roll down to the others. its like that with all companies, and their top of line performance car.

[OnURleft]

BMW CSL ran a 7:22

the radical...6:55

+1....

Yes it beat the skyline...
Yes its twice the cost...
No it does not have the record.
CSL did 7:22 street legal,
Radical did 6:55 street legal (legal in most countries)
Zonda F did 7:20's and is capable of 7:20 on street tires.