2008 S2000 CR....HUMMMM?!?!?!

[dtmcnamara]

Yall seen it yet?

http://automobiles.honda.com/s2000/s2000-cr.aspx

no ac no radio but still $37K. Think it will do well?

http://automobiles.honda.com/images/2008/s2000/s2000-cr/s2000-cr-header.jpg

[BKgen®]

i think it will do better in the right section.

[The Ninja]

Lol!!! Witty....

[Nemesis]

damn throw a letter R in anything Honda, toss a wing on it, and charge over 30k for it, yeah that equals the key to success.




LOL

[BKgen®]

ricer's philosophy:

if it's a honda, it's a f*cking racecar.

[bigdare23]

I think it has alot of potential! All honda did was take a stock sk2 reduced the weight, make it stiffer, upgrade the suspension, and it destroyed the original sk2 time on the test track. Basically, it's a street/racecar without power adders. Just imagine how quick it would be with some extra power.

[ZeD]

it's rice and overpriced. the Nismo Z is better in all categories.. even around the track.. and for the same price, it looks better, stops faster, goes faster, and comes standard with AC/Radio.

[SE-Rious1]

2 much $ for no options

[1000cckiller]

2 much $ for no optionsHELL YEA

[bigdare23]

2 much $ for no options


If you want options get stock sk2. This car wasn't designed with that in mind. :goodjob:

[SloWRX]

fuk that

[civic95]

Waste of money, just like the mugen civic. And I believe that gay blue is the only color it will be offered in.

[Nemesis]

Waste of money, just like the mugen civic.


This man sees the light and he's a Honda owner as well. You sir are going to be repped

[iloveboost]

Waste of money, just like the mugen civic. And I believe that gay blue is the only color it will be offered in.
You obviously failed to see the yellow and black models in the pictures, huh?

I think it will do ok. It's still too underpowered IMO, unless the weight savings is substaintial. I can think of other cars I'd rather spend $36k on.

A well-built S2000 is hard to beat.

[civic95]

This man sees the light and he's a Honda owner as well. You sir are going to be repped

Yep, I think a "sportier edition" is a great idea. I just don't think adding a wing, different springs, and badges really qualifies as "sportier" If it had 75 more HP, (and kept AC over saving 35lbs), that would make it a lot better.

[JennB]

But S2K's are already over $30K new, not just this one. Civic's.... not even close.

And it is offered in other colors... blue, black, yellow and white. I've already seen a white one in person. It's pretty damn nice looking. I wasn't big on the tonneau cover/rollbar thingy but the front end and wing look awesome.

You can get it with AC and stereo as well. If you add the wing and front lip spoiler to a base S2K, the price is almost the same as the CR.

I'd have to drive it though. I love the way they look but I didn't buy one when I had a chance because the feel of the car wasn't exactly what I was looking for.

[civic95]

But S2K's are already over $30K new, not just this one. Civic's.... not even close.

Mugen civics are selling in the $30K's. Crazy.

[josh green]

I think the car will do great for its intent. I would spend $37k if I wanted a car that I could take to a race track and drive the **** out of it then drive it home no problem and still have a warranty. The car is far from underpowered for a track, more power = more braking. You guys may not like all the body changes but they are all FUNCTIONAL, and thats not just at 100mph. I bet it posts up a lap time around tsukuba circuit in under 1:05 seconds, stock. Its lack of AC/radio is for people who will actually use the car for its intent. Its no different than trying to find that base model 240 or civic, for the weight savings and structural rigidity.

I will admit the Mugen Civic Si is a waste but the Mugen Civic RR is no joke. It ran 1:6.68 seconds around tsukuba circuit stock. Kinda wish they offered it here.

[JennB]

Mugen civics are selling in the $30K's. Crazy.

I know that... it's what I was saying. Base S2K's are alreay well over $30K so this isn't a huge premium to pay for a special edition. Base Civic's are waaaaaay under $30K so that is an insane amount to pay for one.

$2-3K over base vs. $10K over base. Ouch

[3.5altman]

for 37 grand it could at least have a radio.

[AV8ter]

I bet it would look sick in black.......

Kev

[SPOOLIN]

for 37 grand it could at least have a radio.

damn dude you dont get it, all of the stuff for that radio adds weight. This car does have all of the things track guys like. Its bad ass. I think its ugly as f u c k, not the car itself, just the "cr" body add ons...functional or not. Ive always loved S2000's. Lets not forget these cars have HARD TOPS STANDARD.

[Doppelgänger]

for 37 grand it could at least have a radio.Typical ricer statement.


If you want a radio, buy a regular S2000....duuuuh. If you're concerned with having a near track ready car, and are going to be racing the car... why the fu@k would you want a radio? What, are you going to be blasting ghey ass Supaman songs while racing around a track?

The target market for this model is NOT the typical daily driving Honda thug.

[RUFFIAN]

Fucc HONDA. we arn't good enough to sell TYPE R stuff to, and the stuff we do get is OVER-HYPED and OVERPRICED.

[umairejaz]

^+1 to you.

[speedminded]

There's been a black one at the dealership on Cobb Parkway for at least 5 weeks now, for resale value i'm sure it may be worth it but i'd rather have the base model leaving plenty of cash leftover for the suspension and mods of your choice that are truely upgrades.

[Vteckidd]

A STI will run circles around that car on a track

[Vteckidd]

SPeedminded is right, your better off buying a base model and spending the extra money on upgrades better than what honda has to offer.

Honda has lost their mind

[speedminded]

A STI will run circles around that car on a trackexactly, i'd much rather have a used $15-20k S2k with $10k in mods than a $30-35k+ stock one...prolly still get a beating by an STI, lol.

[Vteckidd]

I mean really, who goes out an buys a $40,000 HONDA for a RACE CAR?

[Glides]

for 37 grand it could at least have a radio.

Real racers don't need radios. They live the sounds of the road man, the thrill of the wind brother.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/ricflair.jpg

[speedminded]

I mean really, who goes out an buys a $40,000 HONDA for a RACE CAR?lol, exactly...any idea how quick of a Honda I could build for $30k?! :tongue:

[Vteckidd]

Thats the whole appeal of hondas, they are cheap and easy to MOD.

WHen you start offering $30,000 Civics and $40,000 S2000s, your OUT OF YOUR GOD D A M N MIND

[speedminded]

Thats the whole appeal of hondas, they are cheap and easy to MOD.

WHen you start offering $30,000 Civics and $40,000 S2000s, your OUT OF YOUR GOD D A M N MINDHad a friend that picked one up a few weeks ago, 2007, 40 miles...$30k. Compared all the other cars in a similiar class i think it comes out on top: Honda reliability is the key :goodjob: He paid the additional money for the 100,000k mile warranty...from what i understood talking to the finance guy (for whatever that's worth) basically everything but tires, brake pads, and wiper blades are covered for 100,000 miles. Is it a good deal, ionno :dunno:

If you got a good hookup Honda's are cheap...otherwise aftermarket parts are no cheaper than BMW's. From suspension to turbo kits it's the same price.

[civic95]

I think the car will do great for its intent. I would spend $37k if I wanted a car that I could take to a race track and drive the **** out of it then drive it home no problem and still have a warranty.

You still can't race it how it is. If you wanted to race it you would to still do a lot to it to ruin it as a good daily driver. I mean you could take it to drag race I guess, but if you wanted to compete in the Honda Challenge series you'd be better off getting a used one, and messing it up. You would cry if someone banged onto your 07 $40K S2K to pass you on the last lap. You'd be better off getting a used one for $17K, and spending $10K on that to race.

[speedminded]

You still can't race it how it is. If you wanted to race it you would to still do a lot to it to ruin it as a good daily driver. I mean you could take it to drag race I guess, but if you wanted to compete in the Honda Challenge series you'd be better off getting a used one, and messing it up. You would cry if someone banged onto your 07 $40K S2K to pass you on the last lap. You'd be better off getting a used one for $17K, and spending $10K on that to race.I'm sure he's talking about HPDE events and track days...honda challenge would require $1,000's in safety mods alone.

[OneSlow5pt0]

if ur pulling out stuff..........shouldnt it be cheaper?

[cdhtang]

I think it is not worth it, little too much for a no option honda. Also you do have the soft top anymore, is it suppose to be a convertible? Like other people say get a used if you wanna go to track and spend the money on modifying. For 37k, you can make the s2k into a really nice track car, either na, or force induction. Buy the cr aero if you want to, but there are many options in the aftermarket.

[man]

Typical ricer statement.

But not really, you would be surprised how little a stereo system can weigh these days. Like the website says, this car is "track inspired" not a track car. They do things like take out the radio for the illusion so you think you're buying a bare bones track car, when in fact all of the real heavy items are still left in the car (sound deadening, stock seats, etc.)

Not only that, but the site says that ac and radio are OPTIONAL.

That said this car won't sell, for $37K you can pick up a lightly used Lotus Elise if you want a track car. Not to mention the fact that the S2Ks warranty will undoubtedly become void the second it touches the tarmac at the track

[OneSlow5pt0]

how much do these things weigh............cause a stock full interior new MX-5 is round 2400 pounds

[SPOOLIN]

A STI will run circles around that car on a track

not that i care about these cars or the prices and such, but thats incorrect sometimes. It depends on the track, and this is a regular bone stock s2000 non C/R. tsukuba is a low speed high handling track. The STI DOES shine over the S in high speed tracks with more strait aways.

s2000 STI
Tsukuba 1:07.92 1:10.21

[UpSideDownDesi]

ac/radio is a optional delete and there are only 1400 coming over...i think it will do will

[bastarling84]

Honda has a cult-like following, so it will probably do well. I think it will be the "next generation ITR."

[josh green]

A lot of people are just hating. Yes there are other cars out there that are a "better bang for the buck" deal. But if that were the case every drag racer would have a fox body mustang. It would be the perfect car for the performance driver who doesnt want a harsh ride of an aftermarket suspension, still wants to drive it whenever they would like, and take it to an auto-x or some track day and drive the car the way it was built to be driven. Not to mention the styling, I personally prefer its looks over the STI or the evo, Nismo 350z, etc... You make a huge deal out of the price but its only $3-4k more than a base model. It would cost more to buy a base model and turn it into that. You would need all the suspension, steering gear box, remove retractable roof, buy the aluminum hard top, weld in bracing, aerodynamics, etc... You certainly cannot compare buying this to buying a USED s2k for less and doing modifications. The only fair comparison would be buying a base model NEW and using the money left over on mods and see where you are.

P.s. I am sure you could put your own radio and speakers in for cheaper than what honda wants for theirs, and I am sure most of you would change it anyway.
As far as no AC, then your just being a p u s s y. And nothing about the s2k has been cheap and affordable, we all know nothing has been since the last 01 GSR/type R rolled off the line.

[MR. 200SX]

The 2.2-liter, torque-rich engine in the S2000 produces blistering power.

Hahaha I find that sentence very funny. Specially the "torque rich" part.

[Vteckidd]

By the time you pay tax title its a $40,000 honda. On top of that, do you really think a LIMITED PRODUCTION S2000 is going to be anywhere near MSRP for the first 6 months?

HELL NO

In AZ they were selling S2Ks for $55000 when they first came out.

If 1400 are coming over expect it to be $45000 when it comes out.

At that price id rather have a C6 Vette, STI, EVO 10, sorry.

The S2000 has always been a great track car, but it was a very SMALL market for it. I still think $31,000 is too much for that car.

$40,000 for 200whp? thats as bad as $32,000 for the Mugen Civic

[Z33_kid]

By the time you pay tax title its a $40,000 honda. On top of that, do you really think a LIMITED PRODUCTION S2000 is going to be anywhere near MSRP for the first 6 months?

HELL NO

In AZ they were selling S2Ks for $55000 when they first came out.

If 1400 are coming over expect it to be $45000 when it comes out.

At that price id rather have a C6 Vette, STI, EVO 10, sorry.

The S2000 has always been a great track car, but it was a very SMALL market for it. I still think $31,000 is too much for that car.

$40,000 for 200whp? thats as bad as $32,000 for the Mugen Civic

well said :yes:

[josh green]

Small market indeed, but its those same small market people who will buy this car. I have heard that you cannot buy the parts from Honda w/o proof of ownership. its just a rumor though. In all honesty I would probably rather have an Exiege, but I doubt i would fit in one.
Its more than a s2k with a body kit, much like the Nismo Z is more than a 350z with a body kit.

[Vteckidd]

I would bet that more than 50% of S2000 owners DONT TRACK their car.

Its an entry level sports car thats targeted toward guys like my dad (45-55 years old)

It has "TRACK AND RACE" inspired parts, but i highly doubt the guys with S2000s already are looking to trade theirs in for these.

I highly doubt that people looking for an S2000 are going to fork over the extra dough for a car that will ride worse on the street, not have ac and a stereo.

Theyll sell some to guys that think more $$ means better car. But if your looking for a car to CLUB RACE, i highly doubt ANYONE will buy it for that.

[Vteckidd]

If you are serious about buying a TRACK CAR, why buy something that makes SIGNIFICANTLY less power and TQ than other comparable cars in its class?

[man]

I would bet that more than 50% of S2000 owners DONT TRACK their car.

Probably more like 90%

[josh green]

You would be surprised, I guess all the old people in ATL just putt their cars around. We have quite a few older people that have dragon's tail stickers on there ride. There is an old Jewish lady with a cooperS that wears Sparco shoes daily. But, I am sure this is a never ending argument about how Hondas are all hype and underpowered, and how the AWD cars have cheap interior and "are fast."

[josh green]

If you are serious about buying a TRACK CAR, why buy something that makes SIGNIFICANTLY less power and TQ than other comparable cars in its class?
STI, and EVO are not in its class, I hope you know that.

[iNsTuN nOoDoH]

there's a blue one at gwinnett. it has radio and ac already in it.

[DeeAOne]

it is in the new issue of super street. they claim that they didnt make it a type r for that exact reason. it didnt have a substantial increase over the base S2k. the CR stands for Club Racer (where does that come from? haha).

[TypeRPersonality]

This S2000 is a limit edition built to honor one of Honda's engineers. They just decided they would let other people buy it too.

You can't compare a base S2000 to a CR. It's like comparing a Civic with a b16/k20, or an Integra with a b18c5, it still wouldn't be an Si or Type R.

The CR is a limit edition, not an upper trim level.

[speedminded]

Small market indeed, but its those same small market people who will buy this car. I have heard that you cannot buy the parts from Honda w/o proof of ownership. its just a rumor though. In all honesty I would probably rather have an Exiege, but I doubt i would fit in one.
Its more than a s2k with a body kit, much like the Nismo Z is more than a 350z with a body kit.I was dissapointed to see it has cast brakes and 1 piece steel rotors :(

[josh green]

This S2000 is a limit edition built to honor one of Honda's engineers. They just decided they would let other people buy it too.

You can't compare a base S2000 to a CR. It's like comparing a Civic with a b16/k20, or an Integra with a b18c5, it still wouldn't be an Si or Type R.

The CR is a limit edition, not an upper trim level.
+1, The car was a final design from the man who created the NSX.


I was dissapointed to see it has cast brakes and 1 piece steel rotors People are already bitching about the price, lol.

[Vteckidd]

You would be surprised, I guess all the old people in ATL just putt their cars around. We have quite a few older people that have dragon's tail stickers on there ride. There is an old Jewish lady with a cooperS that wears Sparco shoes daily. But, I am sure this is a never ending argument about how Hondas are all hype and underpowered, and how the AWD cars have cheap interior and "are fast."

I dont go to tracks often, but when im there, its rare to see an S2K

I mean hell the last S2K Track day only had like 20 cars there. How many were at Club Wars (Scooby event)

WRX STi ($32,995)
300hp 2.5L, 300TQ
AWD-Active Center DIfferential
Brembo Brakes
2.5L 4cylinder with 300hp
17 x 8" BBS alloys
6spd manual transmission
Short Throw Shifter
Quick ratio steering
Driver Controlled Center Differential DCCD
Summer Directional tires (you'll want to get winter or rain tires)
Limited Slip front differential
Super Sport ABS
HID headlights (low beam)
Rev indicator/alarm
Sport suspension with inverted struts

S2000
MSRP: $34,250
2.2L I4
237HP 162TQ
Its got no special brakes
coil springs anti roll bar

Whats so special about the S2000? how is the STI and EVO not considered in the same class? they are the same price range, similar power levels.

I mean, if you want to say that the STI an EVO are Sedans, then lets compare the S2000 to the 350Z? Well great, the 350Z is a heap of crap too.

WHat else is there? Solstice? GTO? Mustang?

Again, my point is if your looking for a $30,000+ car to "RACE" with ,the S2000 is LAST on your list IMHO. especially this new one, thats MORE expensive an barely has the equipment the EVO and the STI come with STANDARD.

I actaully like S2000s, but i would never pay more than $10,000 for one :) when they get that cheap ill pick one up for a sat night cruiser, but thats about it. They look sharp, but they are not the car everyone makes them out to be.

[dp32185]

the car is being sold with one purpose in mind- track. if you could careless about the weight savings, upgraded suspension etc., perhaps a stock s2000 would better suit you.

if you're looking for a fun track car right out of the box i don't think you'll find one better. sure, a stock s2000 or 350z is just as fun and track ready out the box plus the ac/softtop/radio, but the CR is in a category of its own.

I don't think there would be a sales boost with the new CR. it may even do worse than stock s2k's and i wouldn't be surprised by it. the CR seems to be a great machine, but for 10k more than a stock s2k, i would personally get a stock s2k and spend less than 10k to make the machine accelerate, handle and brake better than the CR.

[eYezs1ck]

is it any faster than the AP2s

[dp32185]

is it any faster than the AP2s

nope. better suspension and slightly lighter. plus a big wing and front lip. new wheels and that's about it. oh. and the CR badge.

[TypeRPersonality]

It's only $2k more, not $10k.

[Vteckidd]

well INVOICE is $30,000 which is what most of them sell for.

This will list at $37000 and since its a limited edition car, they wont deal on it

[JDMjoe]

Yeah i wouldn't say there worth the money. If i personaly had the money i would buy one and i would also buy the mugen civic. Yeah, its over priced but its mugen. :D

Maybe there marketing toward old people that want to look like there on the way to the track lol. I like japanese NA cars and the s2000 is at the top of my list. Its sad not to see more s2k on the track.

[JDMjoe]

ricer's philosophy:

if it's a honda, it's a f*cking racecar.
Well you drive a hynduai... lol




J/k

[josh green]

I dont go to tracks often, but when im there, its rare to see an S2K

I mean hell the last S2K Track day only had like 20 cars there. How many were at Club Wars (Scooby event)

WRX STi ($32,995)
300hp 2.5L, 300TQ
AWD-Active Center DIfferential
Brembo Brakes
2.5L 4cylinder with 300hp
17 x 8" BBS alloys
6spd manual transmission
Short Throw Shifter
Quick ratio steering
Driver Controlled Center Differential DCCD
Summer Directional tires (you'll want to get winter or rain tires)
Limited Slip front differential
Super Sport ABS
HID headlights (low beam)
Rev indicator/alarm
Sport suspension with inverted struts

S2000
MSRP: $34,250
2.2L I4
237HP 162TQ
Its got no special brakes
coil springs anti roll bar

Whats so special about the S2000? how is the STI and EVO not considered in the same class? they are the same price range, similar power levels.

I mean, if you want to say that the STI an EVO are Sedans, then lets compare the S2000 to the 350Z? Well great, the 350Z is a heap of crap too.

WHat else is there? Solstice? GTO? Mustang?

Again, my point is if your looking for a $30,000+ car to "RACE" with ,the S2000 is LAST on your list IMHO. especially this new one, thats MORE expensive an barely has the equipment the EVO and the STI come with STANDARD.

I actaully like S2000s, but i would never pay more than $10,000 for one :) when they get that cheap ill pick one up for a sat night cruiser, but thats about it. They look sharp, but they are not the car everyone makes them out to be.
The car is a Roadster, you are leaving out all the European cars. Neither Solstice, GTO, Mustang are in its class. Solstice= $20k roadster, GTO= coupe, Mustang=coupe. You listed everything that the brochure has to offer to describe the STI, but it still loses to an "inferior", underpowered, un equipt car (on Tsukuba) and any other small track. The S is within 10 seconds of the STI on Nordschleife, and thats a track thats over 8 miles long and has A LOT of high speed turns as well as low speed turns, that is supercar speed friendly. If its Acceleration you want, the STI wins, if you want handling the S wins. Stock for stock.

I'm Done. (insert dead horse here)

[Vteckidd]

Ok list some european cars please that are in the class with the S2000.

I mean an M3 is way over the price range, What does VW have? Audi?

LOL if you think that, ill GLADLY put $100 on Matt Balls WIFES STI Limited vs ANY DRIVER IN ATLANTA in an S2000.

So your basing all your facts on one Time Attack track in japan? So in theory, if a VW bug does well on that track then Bugs are superior?

Josh i know neither of us time attacks or road races. But you cant argue the fact that the STI is a BETTER TRACK CAR, STOCK VS STOCK. On paper, in person, in reality, period.

How can you say the S2000 is better?! It doesnt make more power, its not awd, it doesnt handle better, etc etc etc

[OneSlow5pt0]

id say cars that compete with the s2k are:Miata,Z4,SLK,Boxter,Sky,Solstice,Elise....then guess u could throw in cars like the 350Z and RX-8....id take the RX-8 over a S2k anyday,and id deff take a MX-5 over the s2k.....i still think the Miata is the standard for the roadster market,and i think they still do it the best

[josh green]

How can you say the S2000 is better?! It doesnt make more power, its not awd, it doesnt handle better, etc etc etc
Its road racing, power isnt everything. AWD is a preference not a necessity. I wander why all the JGTCC cars that were AWD are no longer AWD???? It certainly isnt because of the rules. Its certainly isnt doesnt handle worse than a STI, the STI only shines on tracks where its power can be displayed.
You say you challenge anyone in atlanta with a s2k to race ballers wife in a stock STI, what does that say.... It says to me that the AWD and more power just make it easier for anyone to "go fast", not saying she cannot drive b/c I personally know nothing about her.
In the "Micro Compact" series the Honda Jazz is the fastest car in the class, it has the least amount of power out of every car it races against and it completely owns ass. WHY? Its out handles everything and weighs less. Its corner speed ownes kills its competition.

The top 10 fastest cars on Tsukuba are all RWD cars, Go figure... (remember these are stock cars now)
There is no AWD car on the ranks at Nordschleife until 28th position.

Hell the NSX-R comes before the STI on this track and it has all the things you stated before, inferior 2wd, less power than the STI, poor honda R&D. But it costs more than the STI as well.......
Really, Im done this time.

[collins]

WHat else is there? Solstice? GTO? Mustang?

:lmfao: riiiiiiight

[bigdare23]

nope. better suspension and slightly lighter. plus a big wing and front lip. new wheels and that's about it. oh. and the CR badge.

Yes it is. You don't have to make "power" to be "faster"

[Vteckidd]

The top 10 fastest cars on Tsukuba are all RWD cars, Go figure... (remember these are stock cars now)
There is no AWD car on the ranks at Nordschleife until 28th position.


The fastest car at Tsukuba is the HKS EVO

Ive asked some people that actually DRIVE on track (siegel, baller, dan, valle,etc)

all of them say without question that STI is 10 times faster than an s2000 on track, whether its Road Atlanta or Lil Talledega. How many S2000s were on One Lap? ZERO

The S2000 is nowhere near the track car an STI is. Those that think it is are sadly mistaken.

We can quote German and Japanese track times all day, but in the end, it doesnt matter because i dont buy cars (neither does the rest of the general public) based on what some Japanese driver does one time at one track in the world

[Big Baller]

Its road racing, power isnt everything. AWD is a preference not a necessity. I wander why all the JGTCC cars that were AWD are no longer AWD???? It certainly isnt because of the rules. Its certainly isnt doesnt handle worse than a STI, the STI only shines on tracks where its power can be displayed.
You say you challenge anyone in atlanta with a s2k to race ballers wife in a stock STI, what does that say.... It says to me that the AWD and more power just make it easier for anyone to "go fast", not saying she cannot drive b/c I personally know nothing about her.
In the "Micro Compact" series the Honda Jazz is the fastest car in the class, it has the least amount of power out of every car it races against and it completely owns ass. WHY? Its out handles everything and weighs less. Its corner speed ownes kills its competition.

The top 10 fastest cars on Tsukuba are all RWD cars, Go figure... (remember these are stock cars now)
There is no AWD car on the ranks at Nordschleife until 28th position.

Hell the NSX-R comes before the STI on this track and it has all the things you stated before, inferior 2wd, less power than the STI, poor honda R&D. But it costs more than the STI as well.......
Really, Im done this time.


Any change in racing is because of the rules...The fastsest car around Tsukuba last time I checked was an EVO...

I'll match Mikes $100 dollars if anyone in a bone stock S2000 can match my time at any Race Track in the southeast...in my wifes bone stock STI.

I like the S2000 but lets not get things twisted....its just not that great a car, it is to heavy for the power it makes.

[01CDMLUDER]

Quote:
Originally Posted by josh green
Its road racing, power isnt everything. AWD is a preference not a necessity. I wander why all the JGTCC cars that were AWD are no longer AWD???? It certainly isnt because of the rules. Its certainly isnt doesnt handle worse than a STI, the STI only shines on tracks where its power can be displayed.
You say you challenge anyone in atlanta with a s2k to race ballers wife in a stock STI, what does that say.... It says to me that the AWD and more power just make it easier for anyone to "go fast", not saying she cannot drive b/c I personally know nothing about her.
In the "Micro Compact" series the Honda Jazz is the fastest car in the class, it has the least amount of power out of every car it races against and it completely owns ass. WHY? Its out handles everything and weighs less. Its corner speed ownes kills its competition.

The top 10 fastest cars on Tsukuba are all RWD cars, Go figure... (remember these are stock cars now)
There is no AWD car on the ranks at Nordschleife until 28th position.

Hell the NSX-R comes before the STI on this track and it has all the things you stated before, inferior 2wd, less power than the STI, poor honda R&D. But it costs more than the STI as well.......
Really, Im done this time.


he was talking about stock cars. the hks evo isnt stock!

[OneSlow5pt0]

a CR weighs 27xx pounds w/o a hardtop with it weigh 28xx.........so it still weighs 300-400 pounds more than a new factory miata

[AnTi-PooN]

s2k's are slow anyway buy an srt4 for like 15,000 and destroy s2000s all day

[MistaCee]

I think part of the reason the car is worth so much is simply because it is so limited. It would be like a collectors model that can gain value instead of losing it.

[man]

There is no AWD car on the ranks at Nordschleife until 28th position.

Hmmm... GTR is 5, 997 turbo is 7, Veyron at 8th, and Murcielago at 12th for production cars.

Care to elaborate?

[khailon]

the seats looks comfy

[admedlin]

lol all the arguing and the last comment is that the seats look comfy!! nice



haha I love my S, but I don't track it. there's no point really. Its an awesome handling car, its quick, but it is still a Honda with no torque. I bought mine for looks and to have a fun ride, not for tracking. The new CR is a little quicker than mine, but only because it weighs a little less and is more aerodynamic.

I know nothing about racing, but I know that although my car is quick, the STi, EVO, and a lot of other cars should easily beat it. trying to compare a 240hp/165tq 2900 pound car to a 300hp/300tq 3000 pound car is retarded. 200 pounds isn't going to make so much of a difference really.

I'd like to sit here and say HONDA FTMFW, but I know that isn't going to happen unless the S was turbo. If you were to race the CR vs. most n/a 4cyl, the CR would definitely have more of a chance. But comparing a n/a convertible with a turbo awd STi just doesn't really make sense.

Looking at the price, the Honda is more expensive than the other ones. Is anyone surprised? Plus like someone else said, its like a $3,000 premium to get the CR over a base S2K. How much is the Nismo over the base 350? I'm sure this will definitely be a good selling car, just because it is a Honda and people know the reliability. It may not be THE quickest car for the price, but it will be a fun ride!

[TypeRPersonality]

^ Well said. It may not be fast, but it sure as hell will sell.

[Julio]

lol.When this car is ready to sell it will be over 40K.
other better cars out there for that car.

But you know, some s2k drivers thing they have the ultimate machine "HIGH CLASS" verhicle... hahahahha

I mean you can pick up a S for 15 K now a days.. drop 10K into it and have a better track car then that and be way under budget... lol

[Julio]

i still think the Miata is the standard for the roadster market,and i think they still do it the best


I would still pick the S.. the miata is one ugly little car.

[Julio]

I just thought about it... Why would honda add more horses to the new accord and not the S?

When are they planning on raising the ponnies on the S anyways?

[man]

lol all the arguing and the last comment is that the seats look comfy!! nice



haha I love my S, but I don't track it. there's no point really. Its an awesome handling car, its quick, but it is still a Honda with no torque. I bought mine for looks and to have a fun ride, not for tracking. The new CR is a little quicker than mine, but only because it weighs a little less and is more aerodynamic.

I know nothing about racing, but I know that although my car is quick, the STi, EVO, and a lot of other cars should easily beat it. trying to compare a 240hp/165tq 2900 pound car to a 300hp/300tq 3000 pound car is retarded. 200 pounds isn't going to make so much of a difference really.

I'd like to sit here and say HONDA FTMFW, but I know that isn't going to happen unless the S was turbo. If you were to race the CR vs. most n/a 4cyl, the CR would definitely have more of a chance. But comparing a n/a convertible with a turbo awd STi just doesn't really make sense.

Looking at the price, the Honda is more expensive than the other ones. Is anyone surprised? Plus like someone else said, its like a $3,000 premium to get the CR over a base S2K. How much is the Nismo over the base 350? I'm sure this will definitely be a good selling car, just because it is a Honda and people know the reliability. It may not be THE quickest car for the price, but it will be a fun ride!

Well said. Also, the fact that you don't track you S is not a rarity, with any car. This is why I never understood the people who brag about which car is faster on the Nurburgring or Tsukuba etc... The fact is, only a small percentage of people who buy those cars actually track them. TRACK TIMES ONLY MEAN SOMETHING WHEN YOU ACTUALLY TRACK YOUR CAR! Something that people on IA don't seem to understand.

You get reps, sir.

[sprix!]

I dont go to tracks often, but when im there, its rare to see an S2K

I mean hell the last S2K Track day only had like 20 cars there. How many were at Club Wars (Scooby event)

WRX STi ($32,995)
300hp 2.5L, 300TQ
AWD-Active Center DIfferential
Brembo Brakes
2.5L 4cylinder with 300hp
17 x 8" BBS alloys
6spd manual transmission
Short Throw Shifter
Quick ratio steering
Driver Controlled Center Differential DCCD
Summer Directional tires (you'll want to get winter or rain tires)
Limited Slip front differential
Super Sport ABS
HID headlights (low beam)
Rev indicator/alarm
Sport suspension with inverted struts

S2000
MSRP: $34,250
2.2L I4
237HP 162TQ
Its got no special brakes
coil springs anti roll bar

Whats so special about the S2000? how is the STI and EVO not considered in the same class? they are the same price range, similar power levels.

I mean, if you want to say that the STI an EVO are Sedans, then lets compare the S2000 to the 350Z? Well great, the 350Z is a heap of crap too.

WHat else is there? Solstice? GTO? Mustang?

Again, my point is if your looking for a $30,000+ car to "RACE" with ,the S2000 is LAST on your list IMHO. especially this new one, thats MORE expensive an barely has the equipment the EVO and the STI come with STANDARD.

I actaully like S2000s, but i would never pay more than $10,000 for one :) when they get that cheap ill pick one up for a sat night cruiser, but thats about it. They look sharp, but they are not the car everyone makes them out to be.
I am loving this thread, and many of the responses. I will make every effort to keep my comments relevant to the discussion of the CR and not address some of the other stuff I see. I don't understand what you are saying though... why pick out a list of options that the STi has and then act like the CR has nothing special? It has lots of exclusive features. Granted, they won't be as numerous as when you compare the base Impreza to the STi because the standard S2000 has so many features standard.
Some of you aren't impressed with the CR, but I can bet that most of those are the same people that don't like the standard S2000 to begin with. There are always cars that are faster, and always cars that are slower. The S2000 CR is not the car to end all cars, and I don't think Honda is claiming that it is. It is a special edition car; a gift to a retiring Honda R&D engineer who had a hand in the creation of both the NSX and S2000. It is quicker around the track than the standard S2000, and that was the benchmark. No one is going to purchase a CR and go to the track with aspirations of taking out a Porsche GT3 or anything.
As far as the price, I think it is fair when you compare it to the standard S2000. After adding (to a base S2000) OEM lip, spoiler, special badging, stiffer springs, hardtop, stiffer stabilizer bars, etc, the price will exceed that of the CR. Of course, if you believe (like so many) that the car is overpriced to begin with, the car will have even less appeal. Some people who actually like the S2000 will appreciate the exclusiveness of a limited production car will go out and get it.
I find it interesting that both the Nismo Z and S2000 CR go without power upgrades though. I certainly would have preferred a boost in power over some of the arguably fancy bodywork.
Would I drive one? In Grand Prix White- possibly. Am I going to trade my car in for one?
I say different strokes for different folks. Thank goodness we are not the same and all driving Black Ford model Ts, right?
Oh yes, to the person who said that the Nismo Z does everything so much better than the S2000 CR- check this link out:S2000 CR & Nismo Z (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6057&page_number=2) Road & Track tested both and scored the CR higher in a few categories. Specifically, the driver noted braking and handling on the CR were more precise than that of the Z (I brought this up because you said the Z braked better)- so don't put it down just yet.
And for the person who said that S2000 owners think that their cars are so great- don't you think your car is great? Cars are like kids... yours are always the best.

[sprix!]

I just thought about it... Why would honda add more horses to the new accord and not the S?

When are they planning on raising the ponnies on the S anyways?
I don't trust the rumor mills, but my instincts tell me that S2000 production will likely end with the 2008 or 2009 model. Probably with the '09, because Honda has always done S2000 changes every 2 years.
I agree though, the Accord does outpower the S2000 and that is silly.