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speedminded

11-28-2007, 01:11 PM

I'll give it two days before these pics I photoshopped are on every single BMW forum, everyone wants to know what it would look like...

http://www.paragondigitalart.com/images/e30_hatch.gif

http://www.paragondigitalart.com/images/autofab/e30_hatch_v2.jpg

http://www.paragondigitalart.com/images/e30_white_m3_hatch.jpg

How about a completely carbon fiber body?
http://www.paragondigitalart.com/images/e30_m3_hatch_cf.jpg

EJ25RUN

11-28-2007, 01:13 PM

that has to be the coolest thing ever.

i vote chris bengal off and you on!

Some one make that car right now.

Kalifornia087

11-28-2007, 01:16 PM

Already saw the pictures at the meet.

Would be soooo Badass to make one.

speedminded

11-28-2007, 01:17 PM

that has to be the coolest thing ever.

i vote chris bengal off and you on!

Some one make that car right now.Someone buy my damn parts and I will! I'm keeping the Porsche brakes for it though :D

thegreatfnr

11-28-2007, 01:18 PM

Some one make that car right now.
VW already did its a MK2 Rallye golf ;)

http://www.vwgolf-mk2.com/owners/jordi/001.jpg

AWD g60

Lee :cheers:

JITB

11-28-2007, 01:19 PM

SEMA 2008? lol

speedminded

11-28-2007, 01:24 PM

VW already did its a MK2 Rallye golf ;)

http://www.vwgolf-mk2.com/owners/jordi/001.jpg

AWD g60

Lee :cheers:AWD, RWD? There are Group A Mk1 Golfs but I have yet to see one that is not FWD...

thegreatfnr

11-28-2007, 01:25 PM

AWD, RWD? There are Group A Mk1 Golfs but I have yet to see one that is not FWD...
AWD

The only ones in the US are grey market i believe. Eurotech has one IIRC

Lee :cheers:

speedminded

11-28-2007, 01:28 PM

AWD

The only ones in the US are grey market i believe. Eurotech has one IIRC

Lee :cheers:Sweet, any idea on power/torque?

thegreatfnr

11-28-2007, 01:30 PM

whats funny is there are vee dub guys

trying to make the mk2s look like the e30 M3 :screwy:

http://img107.echo.cx/img107/1871/eurotuner28um.jpg

Lee :cheers:

thegreatfnr

11-28-2007, 01:33 PM

Sweet, any idea on power/torque?

http://www.globalcar.com/datasheet/Volkswagen/1988_Volkswagen_Golf_Rallye.htm

there are tons of engine swaps that are doable as well. Ive seen a couple of VR6T swaps done on these cars.

Lee :cheers:

Brian*

11-28-2007, 01:35 PM

dude, sic as hell!

speedminded

11-28-2007, 01:45 PM

http://www.globalcar.com/datasheet/Volkswagen/1988_Volkswagen_Golf_Rallye.htm

there are tons of engine swaps that are doable as well. Ive seen a couple of VR6T swaps done on these cars.

Lee :cheers:Interesting but I think driveline parts would be a hell to get...and being supercharged with only 158hp/170lbs-ft torque it would definitely need a swap! Plus that's about 40% the output i'm expecting at low boost ;)

thegreatfnr

11-28-2007, 01:50 PM

Interesting but I think driveline parts would be a hell to get...and being supercharged with only 158hp/170lbs-ft torque it would definitely need a swap! Plus that's about 40-50% the output i'm expecting at mid level boost ;)
totally right, driveline parts would prolly be a bi+ch and a half to get

yup and the numbers are pretty low stock but hey it has potential. btw i would have loved to see a hatch version of an e30. I use to have a 318ti which is the hatch e36 and loved it.

Now if BMW would only bring the new 135 hatch to the states :(

Lee :cheers:

speedminded

11-28-2007, 01:55 PM

totally right, driveline parts would prolly be a bi+ch and a half to get

yup and the numbers are pretty low stock but hey it has potential. btw i would have loved to see a hatch version of an e30. I use to have a 318ti which is the hatch e36 and loved it.

Now if BMW would only bring the new 135 hatch to the states :(

Lee :cheers:I thought about the 318ti but it just doesn't look aggresive enough to me, kinda girlish if you ask me although i've seen a couple wide body ti's with tons of power but there is no way i could compete with them or their budget. Not to mention the donor car would easily be $3,000-4,000 more to begin with. That cost alone will get me the 11lb twin disc clutch & flywheel package I want and complete race suspension with sways for the E30. So I'll just make my own M coupe! :D

BMW did make a 2 door (2 deure) "touring" model called the stoere that few people in this world have ever seen or even heard of...it's simply a two door version of the E30 station wagon with what resembles the fender flares from the old 2002 Turbo. I'll post pics of it tonight...

cdhtang

11-28-2007, 01:57 PM

i think it will look pretty good in black.

Pavlo

11-28-2007, 01:58 PM

Haha, I was gonna post the MK2 Rallye Vdub. And yes Eurotech do have a red one I think. He's been trying to sell it a couple of times I think.

Dirty Octopus™

11-28-2007, 02:54 PM

excuse the NOOB question but where would the hatch be sourced from? :thinking:

speedminded

11-28-2007, 02:56 PM

excuse the NOOB question but where would the hatch be sourced from? :thinking:What do you mean?

Repost Squintz

11-28-2007, 03:12 PM

speedminded

11-28-2007, 03:17 PM

man thatd be the sex (the m concept)... and drop a e46m3 motor in it with turbo... would be a beast straight from hell.

i saw one of those vw rally golfs the other day on the highway... it was blue and had an electronic cutout exhaust? when they open with a button for better flow? it sounded mean as hell though.servo actuated cut-out but i can just about bet you the anti-lag will blow it apart ;)

http://www.quicktimeperformance.com/QTEC/index.php

http://www.quicktimeperformance.com/Controller/QTEC30CPand10200.jpg

Brown Man

11-28-2007, 03:20 PM

man that **** looks nice as hell. someone make me one!!

Repost Squintz

11-28-2007, 03:22 PM

servo actuated cut-out but i can just about bet you the anti-lag will blow it apart ;)

http://www.quicktimeperformance.com/QTEC/index.php

http://www.quicktimeperformance.com/Controller/QTEC30CPand10200.jpg
yeah that was it...he kinda revved at me when i used to have my sr20 s14 lol i was like u'd kill me..

speedminded

11-28-2007, 03:26 PM

man that **** looks nice as hell. someone make me one!!$25k and guaranteed to beat a Mclaren F1 in the 1/4 mile, what color would you like and how would you like to pay?

Repost Squintz

11-28-2007, 03:27 PM

S2k yellow and ill pay my SOul LOLz JK

they prolly wouldnt want it cause im half white and asian though..

Dirty Octopus™

11-28-2007, 03:28 PM

What do you mean?
how could the back end of the car be made?
are you talking about piecing together an E30 that looks like this?
if so what car would the rear come from?
or would there be just a heck of a lot of fabrication?

sorry for not reading through all the conversations held up until this point

speedminded

11-28-2007, 04:44 PM

how could the back end of the car be made?
are you talking about piecing together an E30 that looks like this?
if so what car would the rear come from?
or would there be just a heck of a lot of fabrication?

sorry for not reading through all the conversations held up until this pointah, ok! There's two options...

1) Locate an E30 Touring model (4 door station wagon, see below) and use the rear clip behind the wheels. Considering there's only a very small handful in the US and shipping cost on a parts car from Europe would be outrageous that's not going to happen. They were available in Canada but extremely rare.

2) Shorten an E30 coupe behind the fuel tank door just like people have for years with mini trucks then stretch the C pillar to match.

Before you ask about structural integrity, it will have a minimum of a 6 point cage along with multiple gussets between the body and cage. The shock towers will be tied into it as well so in essence the final product will be a tube frame car...

http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/mytouring.jpg
1989 E30 318i Touring

http://www.btcf.fi/gallery/data/500/medium/wahlberg_e30_3.jpg
E30 325i Touring M-Technic II

sk8ercof316

11-28-2007, 04:57 PM

speedminded

11-28-2007, 05:01 PM

ZOMG'Z. You should deffinately make this. It would be the sickest e30 I have ever. **drooling**

Have you ever seen any of the first tourings? That is what this reminds me off. I might post pics of one later.I mentioned the 2 Deure Stoere Touring in post #15, think they were made in 1986/87 but extremely rare if they were ever even a production vehicle...nobody knows for sure.

EJ25RUN

11-28-2007, 06:56 PM

speedminded

11-28-2007, 07:18 PM

ok ok ok.... stop with this tuner nonsense!

This is how this car needs to be made. Forgive for cost going through the roof.

1. Powerplant..... NA from the 2.0 ETCC car
http://www.speedsportlife.com/photopost/data/713/thumbs/P0023106.jpg

2. I like the interior and chassis to have two seats and be built to FIA Group N rules.

2. Paint......
http://www.diecastcar.co.kr/shopping/productimage/dlist7.jpg

yes i realize cost = $300,000...... but its ok!lol :goodjob: I wouldn't object to a 275hp 8,500 RPM 4 cylinder engine but for just a tiny percentage of what that one cost I can have more horsepower with TONS of torque and if I gernade the M50 you can always find them all day long for under $1,500. I mean, you can get brand new remanufactured one with all new internals for $1,800, lol...cheaper than Hondas!!

As for the cage, I highly doubt it will ever meet ETCC requirements but I want it to look and work just as good...the question is x-bracing, ladder bars, or both?!

I love the Jagermeister paint scheme, both on the e30 M3 and the Porsche 930/935's, but i'm gonna have to say no unless someone wants to donate the paint and decals! I'd rather keep her really clean looking, just like the interior of the above ETCC car, BUT I want all carbon fiber and black suede inside...

EJ25RUN

11-28-2007, 08:48 PM

lol :goodjob: I wouldn't object to a 275hp 8,500 RPM 4 cylinder engine but for just a tiny percentage of what that one cost I can have more horsepower with TONS of torque and if I gernade the M50 you can always find them all day long for under $1,500. I mean, you can get brand new remanufactured one with all new internals for $1,800, lol...cheaper than Hondas!!

As for the cage, I highly doubt it will ever meet ETCC requirements but I want it to look and work just as good...the question is x-bracing, ladder bars, or both?!

I love the Jagermeister paint scheme, both on the e30 M3 and the Porsche 930/935's, but i'm gonna have to say no unless someone wants to donate the paint and decals! I'd rather keep her really clean looking, just like the interior of the above ETCC car, BUT I want all carbon fiber and black suede inside...

hmm............thinks.........

i guess the vision of early 90's DTM took me over stupid.

power plant... no matter what keep it NA or :ninja:

>DIESEL< :taun: ...... 2009 BMW ETCC plans

http://24valve.com/NBG2004/BMWM3DTM.jpg

/\ car + detonation = Trophy

sk8ercof316

11-28-2007, 08:51 PM

I mentioned the 2 Deure Stoere Touring in post #15, think they were made in 1986/87 but extremely rare if they were ever even a production vehicle...nobody knows for sure.
No, they were indeed a production vehicle. They were only available in germany though, a friend of mine on vwvortex has one that he imported here from somewhere in germany. I can't seem to find the pics of it right now, I am looking though. :(

I sure hope I didn't delete the pics. :(

Elbow

11-28-2007, 09:08 PM

WOW SEX

Fr33way

11-28-2007, 09:08 PM

I would rock the sh1t out of that.

speedminded

11-28-2007, 09:22 PM

No, they were indeed a production vehicle. They were only available in germany though, a friend of mine on vwvortex has one that he imported here from somewhere in germany. I can't seem to find the pics of it right now, I am looking though. :(

I sure hope I didn't delete the pics. :(hurrr you go...

2shroom

11-28-2007, 09:42 PM

people wouldn't know what the **** to see if that things was runnin around

sk8ercof316

11-28-2007, 10:43 PM

hurrr you go...
Actually the first car pictured in that article is the car I was talking about, the BMW Touring 2000 tii uit 1973. That is the one my friend has, that he imported from germany. This car, http://www.bmw-02-club.de/touring.htm

That is the car I thought about when I first saw your "e30 monster". The back part kind of reminded me of it.

sk8ercof316

11-28-2007, 10:46 PM

hurrr you go...
Also, that looks like a zender body kit or bbs body kits, which were also rare and are still rare today. But the 2 door touring look tits. :boobies: :boobies:

Thighs

11-28-2007, 10:56 PM

holy sickness.
I WANTTT! ill trade you a miata

jorge095

11-29-2007, 12:18 AM

nice car

Truegiant

11-30-2007, 06:58 AM

so lets get started already... jeezz!

speedminded

12-09-2007, 06:18 AM

so lets get started already... jeezz!I've officially joined the dark side :ninja: Just picked up a '96 328i sedan that's been hammered in the rear. Have all the maintenance & service records since '99, immaculate black leather sport interior (other than the broken drivers seat from impact), brand new headlights, fog lights, sport wheels, all new HVAC/climate control electronics, etc. etc. Can't wait to snatch the engine and transmission out of it...

Logan

12-09-2007, 08:13 AM

That is a sick photoshop.

I hope no one would ever do that to an e30 m3 though..

EJ25RUN

12-09-2007, 08:21 AM

That is a sick photoshop.

I hope no one would ever do that to an e30 m3 though..

Everybody on this thread> :slap: <Logan

Logan

12-09-2007, 08:36 AM

Everybody on this thread> :slap: <Logan
:???:

Logan

12-09-2007, 08:37 AM

I would just get an e36 ti and call it a day.

speedminded

12-09-2007, 10:21 AM

I would just get an e36 ti and call it a day.Ti's look gay, there's only one way to even make them semi-aggressive looking and it's already been done...and i'm not one to follow someones foot steps.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6034/03jm5.jpg

And no i'm not hacking up a real e30 M3, there is no way in hell i would ever do that but i am trying to located some e30 m3 Evo III fenders! ;)

SandM

12-09-2007, 10:30 AM

amazing idea. i love it. ive always loved the E30 M3s, and that would be even more awesome.

JITB

12-09-2007, 10:30 AM

i always liked Ti's, i have never seen a modded one in person.. i wonder why?

speedminded

12-09-2007, 10:43 AM

amazing idea. i love it. ive always loved the E30 M3s, and that would be even more awesome.The only cars I really liked in the 80's other than the Porsche 930's were the Group A and B rally cars. Without the visible race improvements, from insane cages to graphics, they would be wolves in sheep's clothing. With what I have planned it will be a Group A Rally car. :burnout:

i always liked Ti's, i have never seen a modded one in person.. i wonder why?They are around, couple supercharged and turbo ones running around Atlanta but they're still gay...i don't know what it is, kinda like a guy driving a newer beetle, something just doesn't fit right.

You don't even see them much on the track which I find strange, I would have thought they could be made lighter and more rigid then a BMW coupe :dunno:

JITB

12-09-2007, 11:16 AM

The only cars I really liked in the 80's other than the Porsche 930's were the Group A and B rally cars. Without the visible race improvements, from insane cages to graphics, they would be wolves in sheep's clothing. With what I have planned it will be a Group A Rally car. :burnout:

They are around, couple supercharged and turbo ones running around Atlanta but they're still gay...i don't know what it is, kinda like a guy driving a newer beetle, something just doesn't fit right.

You don't even see them much on the track which I find strange, I would have thought they could be made lighter and more rigid then a BMW coupe :dunno:

yea exactly... on the track id think they would be a terror!!

ive been tryin to find a not so popular rwd car...u just opened me back up to my ti love.. :goodjob:

Truegiant

12-09-2007, 01:33 PM

so ****.. when are we hacking it up and doing a porsche brake swap?? speaking of.. did you get your teg back to stock yet? If not what do you have left?

speedminded

12-09-2007, 09:34 PM

so ****.. when are we hacking it up and doing a porsche brake swap?? speaking of.. did you get your teg back to stock yet? If not what do you have left?I should have the integra done this weekend but still rockin' the subzero's, since I need tires anyways maybe I can trade them for some stock swirlies with rubber to someone :dunno:

Slow Motion

12-10-2007, 06:44 AM

looks similar to a BMW...the front end that is..

SandM

12-10-2007, 08:53 AM

umm.... yes, it does

Deke

12-10-2007, 09:23 AM

speedminded

12-10-2007, 10:56 AM

That is an outstanding photoshop :goodjob:...but I'm not sure I get the appeal of it...

I mean it looks cool...but nothing special to an untrained eye. Is this something that exists or something, but not in the states? I'm sorry, I'm not at all trying to crap on it or anything, it really is an awesome photoshop, and I mean it is a good looking car, I just don't see why everyone is flipping their sh*t over it.

Is it just the hatchback-osity of it that's causing the love?It's never existed, i just want something that is not common and bmw e30's in original form are all too common for me. Not to mention I love the M Coupe/M Shoe but can't see myself spending $20k on a stock vehicle to use as a play car when I could have a completely built E30 hatch for less.

Honestly I don't even find the car all that attractive but what is comes down to it will basically be a Group A Rally car with the looks and similiar performance of the Peugot 205 T16, Lancia Delta, Renault 5 Turbo, Audi Sport Quattro, etc.

Suspension $2k, custom brake kit $1+k, 193hp/207lbs-ft. donor engine w/ transmission $1,500-2,500+, 11lb clutch & flywheel assembly $1,800, Roll cage $2k+, donor body $500-1k, Precision GT30R Turbo kit w/ Megasquirt <$5k, etc. etc. Then you add in paint and body, details & finishing touches $$$...with a final product equaling 360whp/380lbs-ft. torque (low boost on stock engine) in a 2,200lb vehicle.

Just for a fun little comparison:
2007 997/911 Turbo - 480hp - 3,400lbs = 7.28 Power to Weight Ratio
2007 F430 - 483hp - 3,196lbs = 6.62
2007 Porsche GT3 RSR - 415hp - 2,700lbs = 6.51
2007 Lamborghini Gallardo Coupe - 520hp - 3,153lbs = 6.06
2007 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano - 620hp - 3,482lbs = 5.62

I'm anticipating 360whp @ low boost of 10psi with full spool around 2,500 RPM's in a 2,200 lb. vehicle = a power to weight ratio of 6.11 ;)