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ProjectWidow
11-24-2007, 10:09 PM
Looks awesome except the ****ty interior and motor!

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/11/d335_3.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/11/b356_3.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/11/7a25_3.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/11/99c6_3.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/11/8f45_3.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/11/d9dc_3.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lamborghini-Murcielago-Replica-V-8_W0QQitemZ190174539621QQihZ009QQcategoryZ7251QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

And a video of how the doors work, air suspension, and vents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXV9883u-yQ&eurl=http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/23/ebay-find-of-the-day-vortec-powered-lamborghini-murcielago-road/

_Christian_
11-24-2007, 10:14 PM
If someone pulled up next to me in that, I'd instantly know. You'd still fool girls though!:yes:

bigasian
11-24-2007, 10:26 PM
:???:

01CDMLUDER
11-24-2007, 10:38 PM
i dont care if its real or not its still looks bad ass! just fix up that crappy engine and do something with the interior. i saw this primered lambo replica with like a 305 or old 350 small block in it. that shyt was hilarious! I belive it was on youtube

_Christian_
11-24-2007, 10:44 PM
^have fun with that. lol the only kit cars i'd build would be nobles or shelby replicas.

edit: i have seen very few accurate replicas of ferraris and lambos, and you will generally be categorized as a douchebag for driving one by people who know cars. They're generally comprised of crappy bodywork on a ****ty platform with no power/performance.

Whiteboy™
11-24-2007, 10:56 PM
lol at the "mugen power" seats

Benefit
11-24-2007, 11:23 PM
lol 59$ for that POS...pay like 40-50 more and get a real lambo

Annihilation
11-24-2007, 11:31 PM
lol i'd drop a built ls1 into there it'd bolt right up

not a bad way to spend 65k total. I'd pick that over something else for 60k even if it is fake :) it looks badass you have to give some credit.

Glides
11-24-2007, 11:34 PM
I'd rock it hardcore. Built LS1 like stated above and roll. Still looks better than 75% of the cars on this site the way it is.

Annihilation
11-24-2007, 11:34 PM
lol 59$ for that POS...pay like 40-50 more and get a real lambo
a gallardo at best? lol ftl
go listen to some more akon you phukin fag n00b desi ricer

_Christian_
11-24-2007, 11:38 PM
Or you could have a viper or c6 z06.

01CDMLUDER
11-24-2007, 11:41 PM
i'd drop a H22 in it! lol

Benefit
11-25-2007, 12:05 AM
a gallardo at best? lol ftl
go listen to some more akon you phukin fag n00b desi ricer

lol whered u get akon from??

why would you spend 60 when u can something WAY better...wtf look at that interior

jR1_kS14
11-25-2007, 12:12 AM
i loled when i saw the engine pictures. it looks so crappy HAHA

Jecht
11-25-2007, 12:13 AM
I remember back in high school I thought about getting a Fiero and buying a Ferrari kit to install on it so I could fool girls at school. :lmao:

Annihilation
11-25-2007, 12:16 AM
lol whered u get akon from??

why would you spend 60 when u can something WAY better...wtf look at that interiorcuz you be in the lam bo gee nee go lar do

phuckin phag

Benefit
11-25-2007, 12:21 AM
ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay im not a phuckin phag

RandomGuy
11-25-2007, 12:46 AM
i beg to differ

kpc2593
11-25-2007, 01:13 AM
that thing is bad ass...but the crappy interior kills it...

Stormhammer
11-25-2007, 01:22 AM
edit: i have seen very few accurate replicas of ferraris and lambos, and you will generally be categorized as a douchebag for driving one by people who know cars. They're generally comprised of crappy bodywork on a ****ty platform with no power/performance.

there was one done so well awhiel back of a Diablo Blue Devil that the Lambo dealership looked it over, found it to be on par, till they checked the engine...

On_Her_Face
11-25-2007, 01:30 AM
ls1 is old news (so is the ls2 :( ) gotta get the LS3 or the LS7 in that *****

RandomGuy
11-25-2007, 01:43 AM
ls1 is old news (so is the ls2 :( ) gotta get the LS3 or the LS7 in that *****but see not everyone has rich parents ;)

built/ worked heads LS1/or even LT1 > stock ls7 in every way shape or form

same price

redrumracer
11-25-2007, 01:48 AM
my friend back in florence had a replica one but it had the performance to match. it came from some specialty place though

RandomGuy
11-25-2007, 01:51 AM
my friend back in florence had a replica one but it had the performance to match. it came from some specialty place thoughLIKE OMG FLORENCE ITALY THATS CRAZY w00t w00t

BLASPHEMY IN THE LAMBOS PLACE OF ORIGIN Wewt wewt













lol

redrumracer
11-25-2007, 01:57 AM
LIKE OMG FLORENCE ITALY THATS CRAZY w00t w00t

BLASPHEMY IN THE LAMBOS PLACE OF ORIGIN Wewt wewt













lol


:umno: florence SC :D

On_Her_Face
11-25-2007, 02:14 AM
but see not everyone has rich parents ;)

built/ worked heads LS1/or even LT1 > stock ls7 in every way shape or form

same price
i'd still rather have a ls7 over a ls1 with heads..

BobbyFresco
11-25-2007, 02:31 AM
lol i'd drop a built ls1 into there it'd bolt right up

not a bad way to spend 65k total. I'd pick that over something else for 60k even if it is fake :) it looks badass you have to give some credit.


I agree to an extent.....
The prob would be the engine choice.....an Ls1 doesn't sound anything remotely close to a factory Lambo/Audi V12 .

Elbow
11-25-2007, 08:27 AM
For 60k I would rather buy a 993 Porsche

Glides
11-25-2007, 10:33 AM
I agree to an extent.....
The prob would be the engine choice.....an Ls1 doesn't sound anything remotely close to a factory Lambo/Audi V12 .

Heh. Well I wonder why. But in reality, other than some fat guy who loves Lambos, yourself or a few purists, who's gonna really have their head out the window measuring exhaust notes on the car as it flys by?

S II K
11-25-2007, 10:39 AM
yall are all ricers. id spend 20k-30k on a supra, then id spend the rest of the 30k on building it and making it a bigger beast.

BobbyFresco
11-25-2007, 10:43 AM
Heh. Well I wonder why. But in reality, other than some fat guy who loves Lambos, yourself or a few purists, who's gonna really have their head out the window measuring exhaust notes on the car as it flys by?


That's true but if you go to the youtube link that is in the original post, there's also a clip of a rep with an Ls1.....and there's def a distinct diff.....

k20siboii
11-25-2007, 11:03 AM
haha
wait isnt the point of a replica is to mimic everything on the other car....

Glides
11-25-2007, 11:25 AM
Hmm.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/Lambo2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/Lambo.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/Lambo1.jpg

Let's see.

Look's the same, better than the other orange one actually.
Performance could be right around the same with a built LS1 except for top end, and who the hell needs to go that fast anyway.
Parts are EXTREMELY on the cheap side compared to a real Lambo.
It's about...oh $100,000 bucks cheaper, give or take $50,000 or so.
You could ACTUALLY drive it. Because let's face it, if you spend $250,000 on a Murcielago, you would never drive it. Because to drive it means you devalue it.

That's the driving force behind replica's. The ability to own something AND enjoy it without having to plunk down a quarter mil to watch it sit in your garage.

Dracc
11-25-2007, 11:27 AM
i like it.. i'd rokc it

BobbyFresco
11-25-2007, 11:51 AM
Hmm.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/Lambo2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/Lambo.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/Lambo1.jpg

Let's see.

Look's the same, better than the other orange one actually.
Performance could be right around the same with a built LS1 except for top end, and who the hell needs to go that fast anyway.
Parts are EXTREMELY on the cheap side compared to a real Lambo.
It's about...oh $100,000 bucks cheaper, give or take $50,000 or so.
You could ACTUALLY drive it. Because let's face it, if you spend $250,000 on a Murcielago, you would never drive it. Because to drive it means you devalue it.

That's the driving force behind replica's. The ability to own something AND enjoy it without having to plunk down a quarter mil to watch it sit in your garage.

QFT.....

Not to mention the fact that if someone took on the building of the car on their own, they would save a lot of money on labor, which would bring the overall build cost down dramatically.
There are quite a few pros for building a rep like this....
A. Reliabily and like you mentioned the car could be driven on a daily basis. That can't be said for the real deal.
b. The car looks almost exactly like the real thing and only a true afficionado would be able to tell the difference.
C. It's just bad ass, plain and simple.

Would I be able to lie to ppl if they asked if it was real or not?
That I don't know.

01CDMLUDER
11-25-2007, 12:02 PM
^ i agree 100%

OneSlow5pt0
11-25-2007, 12:05 PM
Or you could have a viper or c6 z06.

or a nice car like a SLK55 AMG

Glides
11-25-2007, 12:07 PM
QFT.....

Not to mention the fact that if someone took on the building of the car on their own, they would save a lot of money on labor, which would bring the overall build cost down dramatically.
There are quite a few pros for building a rep like this....
A. Reliabily and like you mentioned the car could be driven on a daily basis. That can't be said for the real deal.
b. The car looks almost exactly like the real thing and only a true afficionado would be able to tell the difference.
C. It's just bad ass, plain and simple.

Would I be able to lie to ppl if they asked if it was real or not?
That I don't know.

I wouldn't lie, especially if I built it. I'd stand tall and proud and say "Nope, it's fake, I built it from the groundup"

True car guys would say, damm. Pretty good job man. Only people who couldn't do that feat would clown.

Dracc
11-25-2007, 12:10 PM
I wouldn't lie, especially if I built it. I'd stand tall and proud and say "Nope, it's fake, I built it from the groundup"

True car guys would say, damm. Pretty good job man. Only people who couldn't do that feat would clown.



or ppl who bought the real thing would clown

VooDooXII
11-25-2007, 12:13 PM
Look up the NAERC Lamborghini Diablo Replica.

They did that up so well, and it uses the BMW 850's V12 engine. They even make a clip for the engine bay that makes it look like the Lambo's V12.

They carry lots of parts (http://www.naerc.com/) that look very Lamborghini-legit. They even make full tube chassis for replicas.

I can't find where they posted photos of the replica they made, but seriously...you wouldn't be able to tell. They make kits compatible with Fiero engines, the engine from the Grand Prix, GM's LS series, and the BMW V12.

OneSlow5pt0
11-25-2007, 12:37 PM
Look up the NAERC Lamborghini Diablo Replica.

They did that up so well, and it uses the BMW 850's V12 engine. They even make a clip for the engine bay that makes it look like the Lambo's V12.

They carry lots of parts (http://www.naerc.com/) that look very Lamborghini-legit. They even make full tube chassis for replicas.

I can't find where they posted photos of the replica they made, but seriously...you wouldn't be able to tell. They make kits compatible with Fiero engines, the engine from the Grand Prix, GM's LS series, and the BMW V12.

DMC + BMW V12 = :yes:

Glides
11-25-2007, 12:46 PM
or ppl who bought the real thing would clown

I'd clown on them cause i'd get to take mine to get coffee, downtown to the show, to the grocery store, on trips and much much more. While they stood in their garage, with their wine, not driving. :goodjob:

BobbyFresco
11-25-2007, 12:48 PM
I'd clown on them cause i'd get to take mine to get coffee, downtown to the show, to the grocery store, on trips and much much more. While they stood in their garage, with their wine, not driving. :goodjob:


I have to give props to Bam Margera though....he drives the hell out of his
s h i t. Anyone see the episode of one of his shows where he even drove his Murcielago in snow..?

Glides
11-25-2007, 12:56 PM
He drove his Gallardo in the snow, he drove his Murcielago to the armor shop to get his wedding armor. But yea, he drives his, but then again, that ain't the smartest guy in the world. As evidenced by this:



Most episodes of Bam's show had shown him to own both a red 2003 Hummer H2 and a purple Lamborghini Gallardo as well as a Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG with a heartagram on the front instead of the Mercedes-Benz logo. In Season Five, however, showed the H2 being dropped off a cliff by Vincent Margera (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1468310/) as revenge for constant torment. The Lamborghini has been modified with help from friend Billy Idol (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002150/) to include a sunroof (a rough rectangle crudely cut with a reciprocating saw). Bam bragged that his was the only vehicle of its kind with a sunroof. Since the end of filming on "Viva la Bam" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382501/) (2003), Bam has replaced the red H2 with a blue H3. Adio shoes recently presented Bam with a light blue Lamborghini Murciélago Roadster

Cool guy though if you meet him in person.

Elbow
11-25-2007, 01:06 PM
I'd choose the real one. And drive it. I know a lot of exotic car guys who beat the ****TT out of their cars. Why? Because they are rich, if you can buy it, you can fix it, if you plan on selling it, who cares you stil have money, or just never sell it and store it away somewhere and go get it later lol. (for those who get around and heard about the Saudi prince who left his F40 at a gas station shop and a guy found it)

VooDooXII
11-25-2007, 01:10 PM
Cool guy though if you meet him in person.

Really? On his show sometimes, he seems to come off as an arrogant ******* with the maturity of a high school sophomore.

Otherwise, he seems like a pretty funny guy.

I want a Lamborghini.

SicStang03
11-25-2007, 03:41 PM
I don't care what anyone says, whether that car looks like the real thing or not, it still looks sexy. I would rock the hell out of it.

But I would rather have other cars at that price

_Christian_
11-25-2007, 04:49 PM
ricer mentalities shining in this thread. lol

Master Shake
11-25-2007, 05:39 PM
lol. i'd DRIVE it.

i wouldn't BUY it though.

Benefit
11-25-2007, 06:49 PM
^^ thats how i feel

Glides
11-26-2007, 08:30 AM
ricer mentalities shining in this thread. lol

How in god's name is that car considered rice? Do you even know what rice is? That entire car is all American, no rice there. Is it because it's fake? If you think it's rice because of that, you are an idiot.

EVERY single car company started out with one guy building a car. Ford, Nissan, Toyota, Volkswagon......the list goes on and on. Every car was made (except the very first one) by looking and copying someone elses stuff. So by your definition, all Cobra replica's are rice, all 41 Willys replicas are rice.

Get your head out of your ass man.

Let's make a list of ricer cars according to this criteria.

50 Mercury.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/Ricer1.jpg

41 Willys
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/Ricer2.jpg

Lotus Super Seven, nevermind it has a fully built Cosworth turbocharged rally motor.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/ricer3.jpg

Factory 5 GTM.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/ricer4.jpg

Factory 5 Cobra
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/ricer5.jpg

All these car's are kit cars, same as the Lambo. Guess they are all rice. Lol fool.

Frög
11-26-2007, 09:06 AM
^have fun with that. lol the only kit cars i'd build would be nobles or shelby replicas.

edit: i have seen very few accurate replicas of ferraris and lambos, and you will generally be categorized as a douchebag for driving one by people who know cars. They're generally comprised of crappy bodywork on a ****ty platform with no power/performance.

x2

and maybe the speedster porsches..

BobbyFresco
11-26-2007, 09:17 AM
^have fun with that. lol the only kit cars i'd build would be nobles or shelby replicas.



So under your logic where a replica is still just a replica, wouldn't that mean that you share in our " ricer mentality"?

Glides
11-26-2007, 09:27 AM
So under your logic where a replica is still just a replica, wouldn't that mean that you share in our " ricer mentality"?

Lol. I was thinking that but didn't want to post back to back. Self ownage is the best ownage.

Kevykev
11-26-2007, 09:38 AM
I needs some engine, interior and trim refinement then it would be a great replica!

Needs some fender liner and vent trim for the rear.

4dmin
11-26-2007, 03:07 PM
that thing is hideous for 60k... you can have a noble, exige, maserati, etc for cheaper

VooDooXII
11-26-2007, 06:54 PM
that thing is hideous for 60k... you can have a noble, exige, maserati, etc for cheaper

Or even the NAERC Diablo...which is a hell of a replica.

Be it a kit car though...I'd drop $50,000 for that Factory Five GTM.

Elbow
11-26-2007, 07:05 PM
The thing is, a car like the GTM doesnt LOOK like something it's not, it actually looks good, and holds its own spot. The small Super 7 style cars may be Lotus replicas, but they have SO many different options and most the time dont look like one exactly, and once again, hold their own. Factory 5's are a damn good replica, and have lots of engineering behind them, not to mention a great road race class. A fake Lambo...it says you wish you could get a real one but you couldnt afford it. The one posted is a hunk of ****.

UpSideDownDesi
11-26-2007, 08:53 PM
would i buy that...No. Is is nice......Yes. That Lamborghini replica looks way better than most i have seen previously. Yea i noticed few things right off the back.......paint is not really Lambo paint...it's the same code, but not the same, rear wheels aren't as wide, side vents need more finishing inside, and missing the front spliter. Honestly the exterior lines look really good and if that car was parked in a parking deck with top on....all of y'all would have said "WOW". Interior would have looked better if they used suede on dash and few other places. I'll give it 8 outta 10.

UpSideDownDesi
11-26-2007, 09:03 PM
tell me rep or real? and tell me why do u think so?
http://images.kitcarmag.com/featuredvehicles/142_0409_blulambo_01_z.jpg
http://images.kitcarmag.com/featuredvehicles/142_0409_blulambo_03_z.jpg
http://images.kitcarmag.com/featuredvehicles/142_0409_blulambo_07_z.jpg
http://images.kitcarmag.com/featuredvehicles/142_0409_blulambo_06_z.jpg
http://images.kitcarmag.com/featuredvehicles/142_0409_blulambo_01_z.jpg

ueyedgr8tness
11-26-2007, 09:05 PM
lol i'd drop a built ls1 into there it'd bolt right up

not a bad way to spend 65k total. I'd pick that over something else for 60k even if it is fake :) it looks badass you have to give some credit.

werd:goodjob:

Mr. Clean
11-26-2007, 09:09 PM
tell me rep or real? and tell me why do u think so?
http://images.kitcarmag.com/featuredvehicles/142_0409_blulambo_01_z.jpg
http://images.kitcarmag.com/featuredvehicles/142_0409_blulambo_03_z.jpg
http://images.kitcarmag.com/featuredvehicles/142_0409_blulambo_07_z.jpg
http://images.kitcarmag.com/featuredvehicles/142_0409_blulambo_06_z.jpg
http://images.kitcarmag.com/featuredvehicles/142_0409_blulambo_01_z.jpg

REAL... im going to say because of the motor, thats a lot of work to put the same freakin stuff in it that comes factory... plus the interior looks pretty legit

AAND!... it has fender wells... the original lambo posted for this thread didnt for some reason, maybe the air ride?

UpSideDownDesi
11-26-2007, 09:18 PM
i'll wait for few more review then i'll let u know real or fake.

Mr. Clean
11-26-2007, 09:24 PM
i'll wait for few more review then i'll let u know real or fake.

pm me real quick... i wont say anything, i wanna know before i go to bed

BobbyFresco
11-26-2007, 09:50 PM
i'll wait for few more review then i'll let u know real or fake.


I say it's not an authentic.:ninja:

Elbow
11-26-2007, 10:18 PM
The point is not if it looks real. If you try to make it look as real as you can, I think that's stupid, why drive a FAKE car?!

I say the blue one is fake.

Edit: as for why, not sure, the vents look off, and the interior, and the engine bay looks....fake? like the covers are..covers lol. idk though.

Benefit
11-26-2007, 10:23 PM
that blue car looks so toyish its not even funny

UpSideDownDesi
11-26-2007, 10:27 PM
The point is not if it looks real. If you try to make it look as real as you can, I think that's stupid, why drive a FAKE car?!

I say the blue one is fake.

Edit: as for why, not sure, the vents look off, and the interior, and the engine bay looks....fake? like the covers are..covers lol. idk though.

blue is a replica, but a VERY GOOD ONE. I would never drive a replica when i know for the same amount of money i can be in another Exotic or few grand more i can be in the real thing. If you look around good nuff or do some hard core search...u can find older diablos for 80K....seen couple go right under my nose and one for LOT cheaper. Up keep on exotics like Lambos and ferrari is arm and a leg...sometimes people want a exotic they can drive everyday and not worry about up keep. Some people have diff views.

Interior and exterior is done right on the car...no hints of cheap stuff. Vents on diablo are a bit different depending on what year and model you are look at. Only thing that gave it away was the intake manifold looked too good/shiny/clean to be real.....it looks plastic.

Elbow
11-26-2007, 10:48 PM
I think the tranny tunnel is too tall, but I might be wrong.

As for upkeep, exotics can be found CHEAP, it's the upkeep like you said that will make you need some money.

allmotoronly
11-26-2007, 11:05 PM
chevy truck engine in a fake lambo ftl!!!

Glides
11-26-2007, 11:34 PM
Once again, 90% of you miss the entire point of owning a replica. All of you are still stuck in the "If it ain't real, whats the point" frame of mind and I can only laugh at you.

Not a single one of you has any clue what the upkeep on a Lambo is. I owned a 911 and the parts for it were stupid. I can only guess at what a Lambo is. You keep going back to what you could buy for the same money and they all are cars that if you drive them continuously, they will depreciatte and you will lose your ass. But none of that stuff registers with any of you. "It's fake, got to be garbage".

Some of you even try to justify other kit cars by saying they can hold their own or they are somehow expempt from being a kit car because it's not looking like something it's not (hate to tell you, but the GTM is GT40 inspired) or there are different options so that somehow makes it cool (Lot's of options on the Lambo as well).

Wrong, they are ALL kit cars, all copys, all fakes. So the bottom line comes down to this. Either you are a person who spends huge amounts of money to have something that is correct, you probably won't drive and will get bored of in a year because it's basically a $250,000 Hot Wheels car to show your friends. Or you buy something you can drive, have fun in, build yourself if you can and spend less than half of what you would spend for the other.

What's funny, is the fastest supercar in the world right now is a kit car.

The Ultima GTR.
The record by Top Gear for the fastest car around their track was done by a Koenigsegg CCX. The Ultima smashed it by over 4 seconds. In a head to head race, the Ultima would lap a Ferrari Enzo every 12 laps on the same track.
It beat the Ariel atom by over 7 seconds.
Top Gear wouldn't return any Ultima inquiries, so they actually brought out the Guinness world record guys to cover it and time the run.
It also holds the fastest from 0-100-0. 10.3 seconds. Beating the Maclaren F1 by over a full second.
9.9 second 1/4 mile at 143 mph.
All this fitted with....you guessed it, a small block chevy making 720 hp. A Chevy...motor....garbage remember?

A kit car. A fake, A car built by someone other than a manufacturer. Came to the guys house in a crate and he assembled it. Amazing what fake cars can do eh?

Alot of kit cars are garbage. I will agree. But the ones that are tube framed and usually built to length are as right on as any tube chassis car. They are usually lighter, quicker, much much more reliable and a hell of a lot cheaper. But none of that matters to you die hards. Fake is garbage. Lol

On_Her_Face
11-26-2007, 11:52 PM
Glides, you are a ****ing tool.






















Fake is rice.
































Not garbage.































:lmfao:

Glides
11-26-2007, 11:53 PM
Glides, you are a ****ing tool.






















Fake is rice.
































Not garbage.































:lmfao:

I see you put a whole lot of thought into that reply. Amazingly, I figured as much from you. Glad you lived up to my low expectations. :goodjob:

On_Her_Face
11-27-2007, 12:04 AM
I see you put a whole lot of thought into that reply. Amazingly, I figured as much from you. Glad you lived up to my low expectations. :goodjob:

i was agreeing with you, and yes i did put my whole night into that reply, and as for figuring as much from me, yep i am 100% serious on the internetz all the time.

man
11-27-2007, 12:13 AM
Glides, just so you know, the ultima is no longer the fastest car (the Top Gear CCX lap was just beat by 10 seconds by another car) ex-McLaren engineers have proven once again that kit cars can't compare to a genuine supercar.

Frög
11-27-2007, 06:06 AM
I owned a 911 and the parts for it were stupid.

what 911 did you own? i wanna know!! and yes parts are completely ridiculous..

Glides
11-27-2007, 06:57 AM
i was agreeing with you, and yes i did put my whole night into that reply, and as for figuring as much from me, yep i am 100% serious on the internetz all the time.

LS2Kid. My apologies. 25 Hail Marys coming your way. ;)

FCman. Wrong. The car you are referring to is the Caparo T1. Yes it is faster around the track then the Ultima by 2 seconds but it fails to meet the Top Gear requirements for the test.

"Despite its record breaking time, Top Gear viewers will not see the T1 at the top of the Power Lap board yet. The programme makers specified that in order to appear on the board, cars must be capable of driving over a speed bump. In their opinion, the T1 would not have been able to do this and was subsequently removed from the top of the leader board."

Always research. It is your friend. You will also know that during that episode, the floor panel came loose under Clarkesons feet, the fuel system screwed up and the front suspension came loose under power when a dutch journalist was driving causing him to leave the roadway. The throttle stuck wide open on one at the Goodwood festival of speed and one more burst into flames at 150 mph during a filming of Fifth Gear.

Sounds like the Ex-Mclaren engineers have it down pat. Wonderful work they've done. ;) Oh and it was only 7 seconds faster than the Modified Koenigsegg. Chad Mann, Mann Motorsports here in Atlanta (neato) is the American distributor. He say's..Track Only. So good luck grabbing one to roll down to the QT to get some lottery tickets, Britian is the only place currently that is allowing them on the street, India next. But the roads are so bad in India, it will garage squat for anyone who buys it there.

Neat car though. Currently the only car to hit the 1000HP per Ton rating. 0-60 in 2.5 seconds (.1 seconds faster than the Ultima). 3 G lateral skid pad (impressive) 10,500 rpm redline. But, it is remarked to be quite possibly the hardest car to drive on a roadway and impossible to drive in traffic due to the clutch, which causes you to launch at 3000RPM and spin tires. And at lowest price i've read ($260,000) to highest (350,000) it still rolls in at a wopping 90,000 too 190,000 higher than a full tilt Ultima.

Frog. I had a 1966 911 with a hopped up 67 S motor. Triple webers, flares, some old Ronal wheels and we painted it flat olive drab green like the old Ruff Nato test car. I over-revved it and had to tear it down, replace 2 rocker arms and the crazy valves in it. Put it back together, timed it wrong and ruined the same rocker arms and bent 4 more valves. It was the first engine I ever worked on....mistake.

Glides
11-27-2007, 08:01 AM
http://dailycarvideos.com/2007/11/15/top-gear-caparo-t1-test-drive/

The Top gear episode for your viewing pleasure.

Best quote "When this thing goes on sale, there won't be a ditch in the land that isn't full of premiership footballers, broken and on fire" Describing the handling at low speeds of the Caparo.

Elbow
11-27-2007, 08:26 AM
The Ultima GTR in my eyes is NOT a replica, it is a kit car. There is a difference between a kit car and a replica. The GTM KIND OF looks like a GT40 at different angles, but nobody is gonna be like "omg look a GT40." to realize it isn't. A KIT car is a cool thing, to build your own reliable car, especially if it doesnt LOOK like something it's not. Building a replica to ME is just stupid. So are Fiero kit cars that have Ferrari kits cool? lol. I know the upkeep of exotics having worked on them for a summer, but if you bought it in the first place, you can easily keep it running. The guys who buy a real exotic and never drive it are in debt...

I see the point of having a reliable replica, but in the end, it's fake, does not have the exotic magic a real one does or the advanced engineering, it just kind of LOOKS like it, and if tricking people is all that matters, I can probably trick someone with this Aston Martin replica for my Miata:

http://www.automoblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/aston_miata_2.jpg

UpSideDownDesi
11-27-2007, 08:44 AM
nothing is wrong with replicas. As for upkeep on a lambo....lets see chaning belts and other minor things will set you $10,000 back.

BobbyFresco
11-27-2007, 08:49 AM
The Ultima GTR in my eyes is NOT a replica, it is a kit car. There is a difference between a kit car and a replica. The GTM KIND OF looks like a GT40 at different angles, but nobody is gonna be like "omg look a GT40." to realize it isn't. A KIT car is a cool thing, to build your own reliable car, especially if it doesnt LOOK like something it's not. Building a replica to ME is just stupid. So are Fiero kit cars that have Ferrari kits cool? lol. I know the upkeep of exotics having worked on them for a summer, but if you bought it in the first place, you can easily keep it running. The guys who buy a real exotic and never drive it are in debt...

I see the point of having a reliable replica, but in the end, it's fake, does not have the exotic magic a real one does or the advanced engineering, it just kind of LOOKS like it, and if tricking people is all that matters, I can probably trick someone with this Aston Martin replica for my Miata:

http://www.automoblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/aston_miata_2.jpg



Actually, you couldn't.
The Miata is nowhere the size of an Aston Martin and you picked to wrong example to support your argument. This replica is definitely bogus.

The two Lambo's that are depicted in this thread are pretty close when it comes to authenticity, give or take a few minor details.

BobbyFresco
11-27-2007, 08:57 AM
and furthermore, Aside from the fact that the replica's do not come from Italy, what is really the diff between the real and the fake.


I say maybe quality but at the end of the day, the most complex part of the build is the motor.

The Murcielago replica body I'm sure was molded from an original.
I'm sure that Lamborghini replicates the body of each car that they build from an original mold.

I could be wrong about this but since Lambos are not really mass produced like say Camry's and they are handbuilt(again, I could be wrong), the replicas are right on par.



So at the end of the day, you are paying a few hundred thousand dollars for an "exotic" which is to say that you're paying an insane amount of money simply because of the name and where it was built.

Elbow
11-27-2007, 08:57 AM
If you read what I said you would know I was saying it looked fake, the Lambos posted look fake, you can tell.

Elbow
11-27-2007, 08:59 AM
I highly doubt the replicas have the same suspension and chassis technology, and I would much rather have a screaming V12 then a American V8. It's all gonna come down to personal preference.

BobbyFresco
11-27-2007, 09:00 AM
If you read what I said you would know I was saying it looked fake, the Lambos posted look fake, you can tell.


I have to disagree with you.
I've been around quite a few Lambos, be it Murcielago, Gallardo, or Diablo VT, and these replicas pictured come as close as one can get, aesthetically.

BobbyFresco
11-27-2007, 09:05 AM
I highly doubt the replicas have the same suspension and chassis technology, and I would much rather have a screaming V12 then a American V8. It's all gonna come down to personal preference.


I agree.
If I had the money, of course I would buy the real thing. No doubt, and I don't think anyone here is debating that issue.

The point that I stand by is that there's nothing wrong with a replica, more so when the build is executed well.....If all you have is 60k and you'd rather build a car than to buy a ready made, manufactured alternative, I don't see the harm.

You can't tell me that unless you inspected the Murcielago rep that posted initially upclose, you'd automatically know it wasn't real.

Elbow
11-27-2007, 09:11 AM
I can easily tell a difference, being around exotics from way back in the day, it's not that hard. And right, if I had say 60k to buy a car (exotic) I would like to BUILD my car, but not make it a replica. I would like an Ultima or something, not a Lambo fake.

Glides
11-27-2007, 09:14 AM
The Ultima GTR in my eyes is NOT a replica, it is a kit car. There is a difference between a kit car and a replica. The GTM KIND OF looks like a GT40 at different angles, but nobody is gonna be like "omg look a GT40." to realize it isn't. A KIT car is a cool thing, to build your own reliable car, especially if it doesnt LOOK like something it's not. Building a replica to ME is just stupid. So are Fiero kit cars that have Ferrari kits cool? lol. I know the upkeep of exotics having worked on them for a summer, but if you bought it in the first place, you can easily keep it running. The guys who buy a real exotic and never drive it are in debt...

I see the point of having a reliable replica, but in the end, it's fake, does not have the exotic magic a real one does or the advanced engineering, it just kind of LOOKS like it, and if tricking people is all that matters, I can probably trick someone with this Aston Martin replica for my Miata:

http://www.automoblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/aston_miata_2.jpg

Sorry man. You are quite wrong. Most guys that have the money to buy those cars, don't drive them because they are investments. Very few guys who own them take them out and work them the way they were designed to be driven. Most people get them, put them in their garages and show them off, then sell them when they can turn a profit and get something else. Or they are collectors that collect them, not drive them. The average exotic car buyer doesn't use them.

A Replica IS a kit car. Same exact thing. No difference. They are both vehicles assembled by the purchaser or a shop to which the purchaser takes the vehicle. They are both listed in the same publications. They may both use a chassis from another car, or they may use a full tube chassis. Correct stretch on a Fiero chassis is 97 inches. Some kits do that, some don't. But either way, a tube chassis car is a tube chassis car. You of all people should know the performance difference. Whether it looks like something else or looks like it's own.

So let's see.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/REplica.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/REplica2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/REplica3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/REplica4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/REplica5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Sixgunsports/REplica6.jpg

All replica's. Does that somehow not make them desirable? Owned by a bunch of cheap bastards who dreamed of having the real thing but couldn't afford it?

Kit cars are all about what you make of them. If they are cheap to start with, they are cheap coming out. If you take your time, build the right chassis, map it out and sink some cash into it, they come out great.

Elbow
11-27-2007, 09:19 AM
Ok, I know a LOTTTT of exotic car owners who drive their cars all the time. A local old man has a 550 Ferrari he takes to the grocery store, and kills it. He used to bring it into a detail shop I worked at so we could buff his scratches out from his track day abuse. A guy used to bring in a daily driven built 500+whp Porsche, etc. There used to be a Lambo around town I saw ALLLL the time that was beat to hell. Yes it was real there is a fake around Athens somewhere with a VW motor in it.

A replica IS a kit car, but I still just could never see myself building a fake car that isnt as good as the real one. I could see building something like a GTM or Ultima, because it doesnt look like a fake.

Some guys may keep the cars in garages, some dont. Just like some guys keep Civics in garages and never drive them because they are their "babies." I have seen a Enzo going down the interstate, a MC12 going through DOWNTOWN ATLANTA, a CGT on a back road, etc. They get around ;)

speedminded
11-27-2007, 09:39 AM
Look up the NAERC Lamborghini Diablo Replica.

They did that up so well, and it uses the BMW 850's V12 engine. They even make a clip for the engine bay that makes it look like the Lambo's V12.

They carry lots of parts (http://www.naerc.com/) that look very Lamborghini-legit. They even make full tube chassis for replicas.

I can't find where they posted photos of the replica they made, but seriously...you wouldn't be able to tell. They make kits compatible with Fiero engines, the engine from the Grand Prix, GM's LS series, and the BMW V12.http://www.lambostuff.com/xq/asp/Page.1/action.1/qx/replica-lamborghini-parts.htm

Everything down to the 12 cylinder distributor cap :tongue:
http://www.lambostuff.com/product/REPLICA_big_replicDitributorCap.jpg

Faux Intake manifold:
http://www.lambostuff.com/product/REPLICA_big_INTAKEPICS.jpg

Molded plastic "valve cover"
http://www.lambostuff.com/product/REPLICA_big_VALVECOVERS.jpg

Fake fuel injectors:
http://www.lambostuff.com/product/REPLICA_big_INJECT1.jpg

Throttle body:
http://www.lambostuff.com/product/REPLICA_big_ThrottleBdy1.jpg

Don't forget the Key!
http://www.lambostuff.com/product/REPLICA_MainPic_21613_ReplicaKeys.jpg

Glides
11-27-2007, 09:41 AM
Ok, I know a LOTTTT of exotic car owners who drive their cars all the time. A local old man has a 550 Ferrari he takes to the grocery store, and kills it. He used to bring it into a detail shop I worked at so we could buff his scratches out from his track day abuse. A guy used to bring in a daily driven built 500+whp Porsche, etc. There used to be a Lambo around town I saw ALLLL the time that was beat to hell. Yes it was real there is a fake around Athens somewhere with a VW motor in it.

A replica IS a kit car, but I still just could never see myself building a fake car that isnt as good as the real one. I could see building something like a GTM or Ultima, because it doesnt look like a fake.

Some guys may keep the cars in garages, some dont. Just like some guys keep Civics in garages and never drive them because they are their "babies." I have seen a Enzo going down the interstate, a MC12 going through DOWNTOWN ATLANTA, a CGT on a back road, etc. They get around ;)

Ok, you have seen one Enzo going through town. How many Enzos were produced? The Lambo in town is Mark Vincents. Red Countach. He rarely drives it. I've seen him drive it all of 2 times. There is also an original GT40 Lemans car in town as well, did you know that? Guy paid 1 million bucks for it. It's supposedly the last Lemans GT40 that is street driven or something. I've seen him drive it all of zero times. He also has 3 other cars. Never drives them either. I had to order him rebuild kits for the carbs on the GT40 because from not using it the fuel had gummed up the carbs.

Yes, you will see exotics on the road. But the majority of them are not daily or even weekly driven. Most are started and brought to temp then shut down. It's pretty easy to tell this. Go look for one to buy. When was the last time you saw a 60,000 mile Lamborghini? Have you ever? Doubtful.

Let me help you in a way you might understand. You say that replicas are stupid, shouldn't be built and are crap. Let's apply this to racing. You do amateur racing. There are people that think that low budget racing isn't racing, just people with no money wasting time. I don't think that, but there are people that do. You would not agree with that statement, I am sure.

What it boils down to is this. People make do with what they have the means to do. Most people can't afford to buy a real Lambo, just like you can't afford to race the Porsche cup. So who are you, or who is anyone else to dump all over someones dream? You make the best with what you have. Plain and simple.

speedminded
11-27-2007, 09:51 AM
Ok, you have seen one Enzo going through town. How many Enzos were produced? The Lambo in town is Mark Vincents. Red Countach. He rarely drives it. I've seen him drive it all of 2 times. There is also an original GT40 Lemans car in town as well, did you know that? Guy paid 1 million bucks for it. It's supposedly the last Lemans GT40 that is street driven or something. I've seen him drive it all of zero times. He also has 3 other cars. Never drives them either. I had to order him rebuild kits for the carbs on the GT40 because from not using it the fuel had gummed up the carbs.

Yes, you will see exotics on the road. But the majority of them are not daily or even weekly driven. Most are started and brought to temp then shut down. It's pretty easy to tell this. Go look for one to buy. When was the last time you saw a 60,000 mile Lamborghini? Have you ever? Doubtful.

Let me help you in a way you might understand. You say that replicas are stupid, shouldn't be built and are crap. Let's apply this to racing. You do amateur racing. There are people that think that low budget racing isn't racing, just people with no money wasting time. I don't think that, but there are people that do. You would not agree with that statement, I am sure.

What it boils down to is this. People make do with what they have the means to do. Most people can't afford to buy a real Lambo, just like you can't afford to race the Porsche cup. So who are you, or who is anyone else to dump all over someones dream? You make the best with what you have. Plain and simple.I've seen a red Countach several times in Buckhead, he took it to Jason's Deli twice that i know of and seen it on the road a couple other times...and i know an Italian V12 when i hear it :tongue: Had a friend that sited a GT40 with straight pipes and Gulf paint scheme in Sandy Springs, haven't been able to verify what or who it was. :dunno:

Porsche Turbos, GT2's, & GT3's are really the only high end "exotic" that can be daily driven...no need for valve adjustments every few thousand miles, etc.

BobbyFresco
11-27-2007, 09:52 AM
Ok, you have seen one Enzo going through town. How many Enzos were produced? The Lambo in town is Mark Vincents. Red Countach. He rarely drives it. I've seen him drive it all of 2 times. There is also an original GT40 Lemans car in town as well, did you know that? Guy paid 1 million bucks for it. It's supposedly the last Lemans GT40 that is street driven or something. I've seen him drive it all of zero times. He also has 3 other cars. Never drives them either. I had to order him rebuild kits for the carbs on the GT40 because from not using it the fuel had gummed up the carbs.

Yes, you will see exotics on the road. But the majority of them are not daily or even weekly driven. Most are started and brought to temp then shut down. It's pretty easy to tell this. Go look for one to buy. When was the last time you saw a 60,000 mile Lamborghini? Have you ever? Doubtful.

Let me help you in a way you might understand. You say that replicas are stupid, shouldn't be built and are crap. Let's apply this to racing. You do amateur racing. There are people that think that low budget racing isn't racing, just people with no money wasting time. I don't think that, but there are people that do. You would not agree with that statement, I am sure.

What it boils down to is this. People make do with what they have the means to do. Most people can't afford to buy a real Lambo, just like you can't afford to race the Porsche cup. So who are you, or who is anyone else to dump all over someones dream? You make the best with what you have. Plain and simple.



Very well worded.:yes:

Glides
11-27-2007, 09:58 AM
I've seen a red Countach several times in Buckhead, he took it to Jason's Deli twice that i know of and seen it on the road a couple other times...and i know an Italian V12 when i hear it :tongue: Had a friend that sited a GT40 with straight pipes and Gulf paint scheme in Sandy Springs, haven't been able to verify what or who it was. :dunno:

Porsche Turbos, GT2's, & GT3's are really the only high end "exotic" that can be daily driven...no need for valve adjustments every few thousand miles, etc.

Yea. I agree. Porsche's are remarkably well behaved for an exotic.

The cars we are talking about are in Athens, not Altanta. The GT40 is owned by a dentist and the Lambo is a real one. It's nice too.

People are going to have their own opinions on this subject and no matter what logic or reason you hit them with, they won't change. Nothing wrong with that. But to just argue that all Replicas are bad just because they are fake is shallow.

Elbow
11-27-2007, 10:01 AM
I am talking about a Diablo I have not seen the Countach, but in my grandmas old neighborhood there was a black Countach that sat in someones driveway collecting dust, literally it had spider webs on it and empty paint jugs. Sad site lol.

As for the replicas and racing. I just dont understand why to build a fake. Especially in that much detail. You like the way it looks? Cool. I see building kit cars that are not replicas. I just wont understand the replica thing.

If you do build a replica at least dont put company emblems on it, to me that screams you are trying to make it something it's not. And racing cant really be compared. Because I am moving up a ladder, next season I might be racing IMSA Lites or something if I find a sponsor. I understand your statement. I dont really think they are crap and shouldnt be built. I just dont UNDERSTAND why you would TRY to make it something its not. Like the Fieros with Grant steering wheels with a Ferrari emblem and full Ferrari replica body and all. The coolest replica I have seen that would be cool to me is the F40 with the 2JZ. Tube frame build up. BUT, a Japanese motor in an Italian styled car, hmmm.

Like I said it is personal preference. The home made replicas are cool because someone built it in their garage. VERY respectful, it's just if I was going to build my own car ground up, I would make something on my own. Something mixing my dreams of different exotics. I dunno...lol

speedminded
11-27-2007, 10:02 AM
People are going to have their own opinions on this subject and no matter what logic or reason you hit them with, they won't change. Nothing wrong with that. But to just argue that all Replicas are bad just because they are fake is shallow.I'd build and drive one but I certainly wouldn't badge it as anything...emblems and names isn't what makes a car look or sound good to me.

Elbow
11-27-2007, 10:03 AM
Yea. I agree. Porsche's are remarkably well behaved for an exotic.

The cars we are talking about are in Athens, not Altanta. The GT40 is owned by a dentist and the Lambo is a real one. It's nice too.

People are going to have their own opinions on this subject and no matter what logic or reason you hit them with, they won't change. Nothing wrong with that. But to just argue that all Replicas are bad just because they are fake is shallow.

I dont mean that. I am just trying to understand why. I know more reliable, close looking to the real thing. If YOU build it it automatically gets respect from me. Fake or not.

Glides
11-27-2007, 10:17 AM
The coolest replica I have seen that would be cool to me is the F40 with the 2JZ. Tube frame build up. BUT, a Japanese motor in an Italian styled car, hmmm.

I agree, that would be super hot.

I can actually see a cool market for the replicas with Japanese powerplants. A Lambo kit with an RB26 would be hot to me.

The emblem thing, I personally wouldn't put them on mine. Some people like em, I don't.

Elbow
11-27-2007, 10:21 AM
Well see I know it sounds stupid, but the emblems are almost a make or break for me. A crazy built tube frame car that LOOKS like a Lambo with insane swaps would be cool to me, but if it SAID Lamborghini on it, I wouldnt like it...lol. I cant explain why.

Frög
11-27-2007, 10:13 PM
Frog. I had a 1966 911 with a hopped up 67 S motor. Triple webers, flares, some old Ronal wheels and we painted it flat olive drab green like the old Ruff Nato test car. I over-revved it and had to tear it down, replace 2 rocker arms and the crazy valves in it. Put it back together, timed it wrong and ruined the same rocker arms and bent 4 more valves. It was the first engine I ever worked on....mistake.

i wanna see pics!! :crazy:



about the whole replica thing.. all i have to say, is some replicas are cOoL!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bentley-Java-Roll-Royce-Replica-Great-Deal-19-900_W0QQitemZ130177314024QQihZ003QQcategoryZ7251QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Glides
11-27-2007, 11:41 PM
i wanna see pics!! :crazy:



about the whole replica thing.. all i have to say, is some replicas are cOoL!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bentley-Java-Roll-Royce-Replica-Great-Deal-19-900_W0QQitemZ130177314024QQihZ003QQcategoryZ7251QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No pics anymore. I owned that thign over 10 years ago. They didn't make cameras then.

GSRteg®
11-28-2007, 03:12 AM
ewww

Frög
11-28-2007, 08:40 AM
No pics anymore. I owned that thign over 10 years ago. They didn't make cameras then.


aw booooooooo!!!!

magneto198
11-29-2007, 11:55 PM
crappy interior + no power = the suck