SRT-4 vs. Mazdaspeed 3

[hXc007]

which would you take?

pros/cons?

[redrumracer]

mazdaspeed 3, i just dont want a neon, no matter how fast they can be

[killerdx]

srt-4,i know its basically a neon but i thnk they look mean as **** in tha front, and i like the inside to,and really quick from factory

[OneSlow5pt0]

MS3 hands down..........looks better plus awd

[Siverprobegt]

MS3 hands down..........looks better plus awd

:thinking: MS3 is FWD :screwy: lol

[3.5altman]

well lets see here mazda is made by ford and srt-4 is dodge..humm how about neither!

[Repost Squintz]

well lets see here mazda is made by ford and srt-4 is dodge..humm how about neither!
actually ford just owns mazda.. they dont put their name anywhere on the thing. most of the mazda parts are made in jdm land

[3.5altman]

im not a big fan of neither one! i personally like the mazda, and think it has potential! I used to like srt-4's but i guess they got played out

[Repost Squintz]

im not a big fan of neither one! i personally like the mazda, and think it has potential! I used to like srt-4's but i guess they got played out
yeah u can get an awd kit for the mazdaspeed 3 as well, but thats a 15g swap lolz

[kppk1986]

srt4 has front power windows but manual rear windows :???: . I know they where trying to save weight but how ghetto is that? Mazda speed FTMFW!!!!

[spacelion]

:thinking: MS3 is FWD :screwy: lol
:werd:

I say MS3
Also big LOL@OP's F&F sig

[BlkCD5]

MS3

[3.5altman]

yep im gonna pick mazda speed 3. That mazdaspeed 6 is what is hott, i would own one of them

[Bruce Leroy]

I'd pick the ms3, because it goes fast straight..... AND it turns.

[87 Turbo II]

Mazdaspeed3 because I'm biased towards Mazdas... that and 236 hp with a 0-60 of 5.6 seconds then a hatch to haul all your crap around. We all have lots of crap we need hauled around.

[Ericp]

SRT-4 but I might be a little biased.............

:lmao:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/IMG_0382.jpg
my old car

[3.5altman]

your old car, oh no! explain eric, hit me up homie

[Ericp]

you haven't heard what happened?????? I'm about to have to take my own dad to court over my car so I can get the parts off of it.

[3.5altman]

damn, what the hell is going on! i didnt know that

[RUFFIAN]

I'm going to say ms3 because they handle better but I like them both.

[I1I11I1]

Ms3.

Although, I think that the new SRT Caliber would be more accurate competition to the MS3.

MS3/Caliber SRT/HHR SS

All three share 4 door hatch designs, turbo 4's with 280ish HP, and all are sub 23k starting price.

It's a good time to be alive.

[IronEagle]

Oh snap what a choice.

I like that MS3 with its very high quality interior and all. But I have read they have some sort of torque management in the ECU?

I'd say I'd go with a SRT-4 due to the modding/aftermarket potential if I was buying today. I also like the new Caliber SRT-4 with that new aluminum block "world engine" that is going to kick ass also when modded right.

[OneSlow5pt0]

:thinking: MS3 is FWD :screwy: lol

lol,sorry...i feel liek atard..guess i was thinking of the ms6

o,well i still go ms3...eevrytime i see one i think they look so good

[Nikola]

ms3 all the way... The caliber looks like a SUV. And its about the same hight of an explorer.

[Ericp]

Yeah I'm not a big fan of the Caliber SRT-4 but they are going to be nasty once people start to mod them......

[SE-Rious1]

Tha speed3

[ueyedgr8tness]

I am going to have to go with my srt4 cause i think they look way better slammed and they sound mean as **** for the peeps that have heard mine.

So hands down srt4 just cause they look better and are cheaper to mod.

[Doppelgänger]

dodge = ****

MS3- Yeah, a SRT is easily spotted 10 miles away.. MS3 is not so obvious...sleeper-ish FTW.

[JITB]

ms3 faster straight and around the track...

[kfzemx3]

ms3, mazda better racing history hands down :) i dont considering driving in a straight line racing :)

[Tech5]

SRT4 , mazda sucks,, I mean anyone that makes a design where if you take the crank pulley off , it throws the timing set up off because they wound so tight, it causes bent valves, or drops a valve, I mean cmon!!!

[Member31410]

LOL @ the guys thinking that the SRT-4 can only go in straight lines. Ask the guys here that run One Lap about the local SRT-4's that participate at that event. :goodjob: In the mid priced sedan class, two out of the last three wins were by local SRT-4's (Dale & Doug). The win that was not by a SRT-4 was by TopSpeed/Luke.

[Tech5]

yup yup yup :goodjob:
LOL @ the guys thinking that the SRT-4 can only go in straight lines. Ask the guys here that run One Lap about the local SRT-4's that participate at that event. :goodjob: In the mid priced sedan class, two out of the last three wins were by local SRT-4's (Dale & Doug). The win that was not by a SRT-4 was by TopSpeed/Luke.

[Ericp]

LOL @ the guys thinking that the SRT-4 can only go in straight lines. Ask the guys here that run One Lap about the local SRT-4's that participate at that event. :goodjob: In the mid priced sedan class, two out of the last three wins were by local SRT-4's (Dale & Doug). The win that was not by a SRT-4 was by TopSpeed/Luke.

I was going to say something about that but the ignorance of people makes it almost pointless. Everyone is to focused on that it's a NEON and not what really matters. If road coursing is your thing you can pick up an ACR edition SRT-4 which comes with tokico struts, upgraded front and rear sway bars, and light weight BBS wheels. Don't underestimate them at the track :goodjob:

[ueyedgr8tness]

I was going to say something about that but the ignorance of people makes it almost pointless. Everyone is to focused on that it's a NEON and not what really matters. If road coursing is your thing you can pick up an ACR edition SRT-4 which comes with tokico struts, upgraded front and rear sway bars, and light weight BBS wheels. Don't underestimate them at the track :goodjob:



:yes: SHi* my boy brandon has ran down plany of evo's,sti's,miate's and all kind of track car's in the mtn's and he just has minor suspension on his srt4,get up to the top and these ******'s looking at him like wtf:thinking:

[Nemesis]

I like both for what they are...both are respectable cars. However, Id still pick a WRX wagon.

[OneSlow5pt0]

I like both for what they are...both are respectable cars. However, Id still pick a WRX wagon.

WRX wagon vs MS6 hatch:D

[3.5altman]

i heard to many horror story's about wrx trannys, srt-4's are played out, so mazdaspeed6 it is! the mazda seems like its built better then the srt also. just my 2 cents

[chituntang]

MS3 FTW!!! We all need a car that can turn!!!

[SandM]

evo ftw...... its not a choice, but if i were looking in that price range/engine style, id choose the evo to dominate all aspects of driving....

[Mayniac]

I would go with the Mazdaspeed 3, better interior, looks better IMO, and its not a Neon.
SRT-4's can be made quick real easily. Not so sure about the MS3, haven't seen or heard of any of them being heavily modded. Just like all turbo cars, im sure it can be made fast with upgraded turbo, and supporting mods.

I would test drive both if I was you.

[iEvo]

srt4 ftw......u cant do sh!t to a mazdaspeed

[Mayniac]

u cant do sh!t to a mazdaspeedSays who?

[JITB]

SRT4 , mazda sucks,, I mean anyone that makes a design where if you take the crank pulley off , it throws the timing set up off because they wound so tight, it causes bent valves, or drops a valve, I mean cmon!!!


you dont know what your taikin about....be quiet :goodjob: ive broken belts on my mazda and havent bent a valve, and never will worry about it happening because it CANT. mazda motors are never wound too tight...there not wound enough!!

most mazda motors, are non inteference only ones i know off the top of my head is the 2.0/2.2/and the kl V6 motors. Your a ASE mechanic and have experience with honda, so you should know that ALL honda motors are inteference motors.


no one with any knowledge can undersetimate the neons, they have always been good track cars. Most Srt4 owners dont know anything about neons before the srt4.

[JITB]

srt4 ftw......u cant do sh!t to a mazdaspeed


i have herd the car has alot of electronics that limit it, but that is for driveability puposes, it hasnt been out long enough yet. for all that stuff to be worked out yet. The car has too many good attributes to not have any aftermarket.

[Mayniac]

Seriously, which one would you guys take? On looks alone.

Here is a stock SRT-4 ---- BORING
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa253/El_Maniaco/0305tur_01zDodge_Neon_SRT4Front_Dri.jpg


And here is a MS3 with rims ---- ALOT BETTER
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa253/El_Maniaco/07mazdamazdaspeed3accesqz9.jpg

[JITB]

Seriously, which one would you guys take? On looks alone.

Here is a stock SRT-4 ---- BORING
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa253/El_Maniaco/0305tur_01zDodge_Neon_SRT4Front_Dri.jpg


And here is a MS3 with rims ---- ALOT BETTER
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa253/El_Maniaco/07mazdamazdaspeed3accesqz9.jpg


That pic of the ms3 is with the Optional Light weight wheels that are supposed to be released.. i believe!

[Mayniac]

That pic of the ms3 is with the Optional Light weight wheels that are supposed to be released.. i believe!If thats true, they makes it look really NICE!

[JITB]

If thats true, they makes it look really NICE!


i think it might be, i just saw a video on you tube with the same wheels..

[hXc007]

me personally, i prefer the neon srt-4

they look pretty cool (except for the ugly ass stock wheels) and sound mean as **** modded (like tiny high mpg muscle cars lol)

[kfzemx3]

k series V6 motors

Hemispheric motors FTW :)

[kfzemx3]

i have herd the car has alot of electronics that limit it, but that is for driveability puposes, it hasnt been out long enough yet. for all that stuff to be worked out yet. The car has too many good attributes to not have any aftermarket.

Agreed And considering this is the same motor that mazda is using now for racing instead of the rotories since they were recently banned, i see a lot of potential for this car in the years to come

[JDMjoe]

Neither both are gay....

[Ericp]

/\/\/\ says the guy that drives a civic cause those are so cool.....



Seriously, which one would you guys take? On looks alone.

Here is a stock SRT-4 ---- BORING



And here is a MS3 with rims ---- ALOT BETTER


I agree, the srt doesn't look like much stock. That's an old picture by the way, not the wheels the srt came with both close enough.

To me the MS3 looks like a goofy little mini van, but is still a nice car and are quick from factory.


But if looks are a problem, just like any car, you can do things to make it look better. Here are just a small few pics

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/4_011.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/8_008.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/3_014.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/10_007.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/bpsrt42uy8.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/Hanger11.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/img0156gy4.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/btr.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/189349656-O.jpg

[JITB]

/\/\/\ says the guy that drives a civic cause those are so cool.....




I agree, the srt doesn't look like much stock. That's an old picture by the way, not the wheels the srt came with both close enough.

To me the MS3 looks like a goofy little mini van, but is still a nice car and are quick from factory.


But if looks are a problem, just like any car, you can do things to make it look better. Here are just a small few pics



cheater....nice pics tho!

[Turbo04]

I liked the power my SRT had, I made ungodly amounts of TQ, but the trade off is how much do you like 17-19mpg? Maybe if mopar would've come out with a kit to catch all the unburnt gas coming outta the tail, then I might have kept it. I kinda like the MS3, but I still woulnd't buy that either. I'm kinda outta my boy racer stage.....

[Member31410]

I liked the power my SRT had, I made ungodly amounts of TQ, but the trade off is how much do you like 17-19mpg? Maybe if mopar would've come out with a kit to catch all the unburnt gas coming outta the tail, then I might have kept it. I kinda like the MS3, but I still woulnd't buy that either. I'm kinda outta my boy racer stage.....

The worst recorded tank of gas on my car was 21 mpg. The best was 33.2 mpg. I average 24-26 mpg driving around and on highways, I average 29-31 mpg. This is on a Mopar Stage 3 car untuned that has hit an 11.9 at the drag strip and has trapped up to 120 mph. This is also with no weight reduction on the car.

[Turbo04]

The worst recorded tank of gas on my car was 21 mpg. The best was 33.2 mpg. I average 24-26 mpg driving around and on highways, I average 29-31 mpg. This is on a Mopar Stage 3 car untuned that has hit an 11.9 at the drag strip and has trapped up to 120 mph. This is also with no weight reduction on the car.

Whats the city only milege? I'm tooling around now average 32 in the city only, 40+ on the interstate with the mini. Not always going easy on her either. Untuned stage 3 car isn't quite right a description, if it's just a stg 3 kit, it's got the factory tune already on the PCM, which the also tuned for a decent gas milege. Also was that milege you said using the dial-a-boost?

[Mayniac]

I agree, the srt doesn't look like much stock. That's an old picture by the way, not the wheels the srt came with both close enough.

To me the MS3 looks like a goofy little mini van, but is still a nice car and are quick from factory.


But if looks are a problem, just like any car, you can do things to make it look better. Here are just a small few pics

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/4_011.jpg





http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/img0156gy4.jpg


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e161/EricPartin/aa/189349656-O.jpgDamn, those look sexy as hell! =( Oops =D

[Member31410]

Whats the city only milege? I'm tooling around now average 32 in the city only, 40+ on the interstate with the mini. Not always going easy on her either. Untuned stage 3 car isn't quite right a description, if it's just a stg 3 kit, it's got the factory tune already on the PCM, which the also tuned for a decent gas milege. Also was that milege you said using the dial-a-boost?

In my case, there isn't a thing such as city only milage. My work commute takes around 25 miles one way from one county to another. I use Hwy 316 to and from work. If you are not familiar with that highway, it is loaded with traffic lights and traffic is bad during the day. At night though, it is smooth sailing for me.

As for the DAB (Dial-A-Boost) settings, from what I have experimented in my car, I get the same fuel economy regardless of the setting while driving around town so I have it set to almost always at DAB 3. On road trips though, I have noticed up to two more miles per gallon while on DAB 0 but who knows, maybe it might be because I'm easier on the throttle since I know I'm on lower boost. :???: BTW the DAB feature only affects boost during wide open throttle. :goodjob: The 33.2 mpg best that I recorded was on DAB 0.

As you have said, my car is sending out "unburnt gas outta the tail" too. All the Mopar stage kits are set pig rich from the factory including the stage 3 kits. My AFR goes off the chart everytime I dyno. Yeah I could get a piggy back and tune the car for more power and get better fuel economy but I'm totally fine with the S3 kit as is.

[Siverprobegt]

Agreed And considering this is the same motor that mazda is using now for racing instead of the rotories since they were recently banned, i see a lot of potential for this car in the years to come

Why were they banned!!!

[kfzemx3]

Why were they banned!!!

well they were basically unbeatable, plus people started complaining because they weren't piston motors. i mean i understand, but i think the same should be done to audi and there diesel motor.

[2turbo4u]

MS3 cause it looks better, a get navi,h.id's from factory. The neon looks like a four door bug(insect) driving around. Even when they're drop they still have mad fist gap between the fenders.

[SEAN]

I went to look at the new 3's at Rick Case about a year ago...they didn't have any yet and after looking at the Evo's I came across a SRT-4 they just pulled around on the lot...my friend has had 2 and I never felt slow with my old Tiburon till the day I went on a spirited drive with him...no comparison...I swore if I could find one with low miles I might get one...I did...23K and up for a Mazdaspeed 3...32K and up for an Evo...made my decision pretty easy for the NEON...17K...I like the 3's but they have little after market support and still are a station wagon...with mods even a SRT-4 can be made to look better...no regrets...peeps will always hate it because it is a Neon...whatever...

before...pic the day I picked up my car...

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f203/sratiburon/2-1.jpg

after...how it looks now...

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f203/sratiburon/newlights014.jpg

[GTScoob]

Mazdaspeed 3 for sure over the SRT-4. Much higher caliber of a car (no pun intended), nicer interior, better exterior. Overall better quality of construction. I have heard that tuning the MS3s is a ***** but thats just because its a new platform and people need time to break the OEM code.

[Ericp]

Mazdaspeed 3 for sure over the SRT-4. Much higher caliber of a car (no pun intended), nicer interior, better exterior. Overall better quality of construction. I have heard that tuning the MS3s is a ***** but thats just because its a new platform and people need time to break the OEM code.

How exactly do you think the build quality is on the SRT-4? I don't know anything personally about the MS3 besides the basics. I've never owned one so I don't see how I could give my opinion on the build quality of it. So please enlighten me on your knowledge of the SRT-4 :yes:

[JITB]

ive owned 2 neons, and have been aroudn a few of friends neons... and i will agree, that quality is in the share of mazda.. neons are made to be low cost cars....From what i gathered the srt4 isnt any different, its the same chassis since 95.. im sure ethings have gotten better, but im sure alot of things are the same. motor/tranny are solid its been proven. it has alot of capability. but as far as stuff you wish it had...the MS3 does have. ive never owned a 3, but i have owned plenty of mazda built cars. all mazdaspeed cars have had a great aftermarket, its just not as known.

truthfully, the 2 arent really being compared, the real battle is between the caliber srt4, and the Ms3.. ms3 has already been marked higher than the neon srt4...

[OneSlow5pt0]

well they were basically unbeatable, plus people started complaining because they weren't piston motors. i mean i understand, but i think the same should be done to audi and there diesel motor.

yep...Rotaries > pistons least the racing world knows that

but yea,the 787B was a amazing machine...only Japanese car ever to win le mans

[MS3ZZ]

ms3. Im little biased because i own ms3 but when i bought this car, i wanted a car that had little bit of everything. I looked at wrx as well as civic si and gti. WRX was quick, i loved the styling and the sound of mean boxer engine but interior was lacking and to me, awd in georgia is not really needed.. more of bragging right to me. Civic was nice but little slower than what i wanted. Had a hard time between GTI and MS3 but after the test drive, i coudnt really care about about superior interior quality of GTI over ms3.
Overall, ms3 was quick, practical, and had decent creature comfort. For the money, you cant beat this car imo.

[JBalla1036]

MS3 cause at the end of the day the SRT-4 is still a dodge FTL!!!!

[atlxpat]

stock for stock, MS3 has more hp and tq, better handling and better interior. i heard it torque steers like a mofo though.
if it were awd i'd consider trading in the subie for it, that interior really gets to me

[Oz10]

I would rather have the mazdaspeed 3 too. I just really like those cars.

[Ran]

Rotaries > pistonsNothing like having the power of a I-4 with the fuel economy of a V10. :lmao:

Styling: MS3
Practicality: MS3
HP: MS3
TQ: MS3
Backseat Roll-up Windows: SRT-4

Yeah...

[OneSlow5pt0]

Nothing like having the power of a I-4 with the fuel economy of a V10. :lmao:

Styling: MS3
Practicality: MS3
HP: MS3
TQ: MS3
Backseat Roll-up Windows: SRT-4

Yeah...

nah,lol

it goes 13b = 6 cyl power
20b= V8 power
26b = V10 power


but im thinking bout bulding a LT4/5 FC...........

[hXc007]

ms3's are gay as ****


only pussies and lame-asses who cant build their own car up drive them


i like cars where people work to make them fast rather than fast out of the box

noob car

[Mayniac]

ms3's are gay as ****


only pussies and lame-asses who cant build their own car up drive them


i like cars where people work to make them fast rather than fast out of the box

noob carIf you didn't like the mazdaspeed 3 from the start, why even consider it? You wanted info on both cars, pros and cons. You got them, and now you're going with the SRT-4 cause its a "you make it go fast machine" and a noob car? You're such an idiot, if you knew what car you wanted WHY even make a thread about it?
Next time compare two cars that you're actually thinking about buying, if money is an issue scratch it off your list of cheap sh!t and look for something else. Now im not saying the SRT-4 isn't a good car, ... nevermind! Fuck you and your thread!

[atlxpat]

ms3's are gay as ****


only pussies and lame-asses who cant build their own car up drive them


i like cars where people work to make them fast rather than fast out of the box

noob car

you're right, the ariel atom is for noobs and pussies that don't enjoy performance.

[hXc007]

If you didn't like the mazdaspeed 3 from the start, why even consider it? You wanted info on both cars, pros and cons. You got them, and now you're going with the SRT-4 cause its a "you make it go fast machine" and a noob car? You're such an idiot, if you knew what car you wanted WHY even make a thread about it?
Next time compare two cars that you're actually thinking about buying, if money is an issue scratch it off your list of cheap sh!t and look for something else. Now im not saying the SRT-4 isn't a good car, ... nevermind! Fuck you and your thread!

i never once said i was wanting to buy either of these cars

i just wanted to strike up a debate about them

[Mayniac]

i just wanted to strike up a debate about themWhich you did. But seeing as all we were doing is wasting our time on someone who couldn't marinate any of the information giving.
Im done with you and this thread, peace!

[hXc007]

Which you did. But seeing as all we were doing is wasting our time on someone who couldn't marinate any of the information giving.
Im done with you and this thread, peace!

actually i did guy

its just both of these cars are go fast out of the box cars

why would someone get one of these and barely do anything to them or just throw some wheels on it and call theirselves a tuner?

im not saying that the people on here that have either of these cars arent tuners, it just the mainstream people will buy one of these 2 cars and instantly think they are street racers with enlarged egos b/c their wagon has 263 estimated hp

wtf

[Mayniac]

actually i did guy

its just both of these cars are go fast out of the box cars

why would someone get one of these and barely do anything to them or just throw some wheels on it and call theirselves a tuner?

im not saying that the people on here that have either of these cars arent tuners, it just the mainstream people will buy one of these 2 cars and instantly think they are street racers with enlarged egos b/c their wagon has 263 estimated hp

wtfThan get a goddamn, HONDA!

Read this post, tell me. Why wouldn't someone reply the way I did.


ms3's are gay as ****


only pussies and lame-asses who cant build their own car up drive them


i like cars where people work to make them fast rather than fast out of the box

noob car

Your two posts say two different things. Maybe next time, you'll use words alittle differently.

[takume]

I pick ms3 coz it handle much better than srt4 which can only go fast on a straight way. BTW, the interior of the SRT4 is fxxx compare to ms3.

[JITB]

actually i did guy

its just both of these cars are go fast out of the box cars

why would someone get one of these and barely do anything to them or just throw some wheels on it and call theirselves a tuner?

im not saying that the people on here that have either of these cars arent tuners, it just the mainstream people will buy one of these 2 cars and instantly think they are street racers with enlarged egos b/c their wagon has 263 estimated hp

wtf

well go buy a 2k$ car but 10k into it and sell it for 4k...

That attittude u have about fast out of the box cars will change when u get money in your hand. I see waht your tryin to say. But its a bad way of saying. I dont applaud people who buy a 14sec car, and make it a low 13 second car either. but if we all could afford something better we would. Some have the money to go buy a ms3, srt4 and put money into it, some dont and they stick with the **** boxes. i love to see underestimated original cars on the streets and modded nicely over a brand new car myself. But you can put all the money into a old car, but it will never be like a new car..

[hXc007]

see, you get what im saying

[EssAreTwenTee]

ms3's are gay as ****


only pussies and lame-asses who cant build their own car up drive them


i like cars where people work to make them fast rather than fast out of the box

noob car

problem with this is how often do you see where people built up their car? Most people buy a slow car slap a fartcan and bodykit on it and thats it. Given the ones that actually do build up the cars tend to do a hell of a job, but like I said how often do you see that?

as for the ms3 I personally cant say anything bad about it because I havent driven one. I know they had that issue with motor mounts breaking and engines falling out when they first came out but I imagine thats long been fixed. I think its a good looking car.

As for the srt4 I've had one as my daily driver for nearly 3yrs now. I've loved everyday I've driven it and not had 1 problem out of it. I've read alot of peoples reasons in this thread for not liking it but besides their personally disliking of it I've not read one valid reason.

Lack of rear power windows?!- please. Do you drive in the rear seat? Dodge did not have a power window motor readily available to fit the rear doors of the srt4 and instead of driving up cost they just put crank. fine by me

hp/tq- yep ms3 has better crank #s but look at wheel #s and compare. They are remarkably close with the srt being ahead by some peoples #s and the ms3 ahead by others.

quarter mile #s- again very close

and to the morons who put its just a straight line car please do some research. these cars have been very successful racing round the twisties (speed world challenge, 1 lap, etc) unfortunately there was only 1 in speed world challenge this year due to I believe 3 were stolen with their trailers and all :(

/rant off

[hXc007]

problem with this is how often do you see where people built up their car? Most people buy a slow car slap a fartcan and bodykit on it and thats it. Given the ones that actually do build up the cars tend to do a hell of a job, but like I said how often do you see that?

as for the ms3 I personally cant say anything bad about it because I havent driven one. I know they had that issue with motor mounts breaking and engines falling out when they first came out but I imagine thats long been fixed. I think its a good looking car.

As for the srt4 I've had one as my daily driver for nearly 3yrs now. I've loved everyday I've driven it and not had 1 problem out of it. I've read alot of peoples reasons in this thread for not liking it but besides their personally disliking of it I've not read one valid reason.

Lack of rear power windows?!- please. Do you drive in the rear seat? Dodge did not have a power window motor readily available to fit the rear doors of the srt4 and instead of driving up cost they just put crank. fine by me

hp/tq- yep ms3 has better crank #s but look at wheel #s and compare. They are remarkably close with the srt being ahead by some peoples #s and the ms3 ahead by others.

quarter mile #s- again very close

and to the morons who put its just a straight line car please do some research. these cars have been very successful racing round the twisties (speed world challenge, 1 lap, etc) unfortunately there was only 1 in speed world challenge this year due to I believe 3 were stolen with their trailers and all :(

/rant off

see, you get it :goodjob: