93 miata vs. 81 firebird

[Annik5k]

Both bone stock.
ON track not drag.
who wins?
(this for real may occure soon so ill keep ya posted):goodjob:

[koukis14]

probably the miata.

[OneSlow5pt0]

im guessing u mean a V8,right?

ill take the miata

[87 Turbo II]

Go Mazda! I have to give it to the car that weighs like 1/2 as much.

[Annik5k]

i need some ego boosts and some proof that ppl KNOW THERE CARS because (yes its a chick driver)
BUT she wants a drag race... MIATA = NOT FOR DRAG
so shes saying she may just use her toyota carolla.
so with that said...
miata vs 2005 bone stock auto tran corolla s

[81911SC]

Miata, LOL

[OneSlow5pt0]

miata is the best track car for the money

[Annik5k]

Miata, LOL
LOLZ2WUT!? tis a simple question to spark conversation.:crazy:

[chituntang]

Miata is a fast car when you are on twisty mountain road. Other than that if no mods.......

[quickdodge®]

miata is the best track car for the money

As much as you don't want to read it, the Neon(first gen) has the Miata beat in that claim. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

Miata is a fast car when you are on twisty mountain road. .

No it isn't. It's just seems that way because it is quicker than a heavy car. Later, QD.

[redrumracer]

miata and that is a totally unbiased decision :ninja:

[Annik5k]

As much as you don't want to read it, the Neon(first gen) has the Miata beat in that claim. Later, QD.

:offtopic: -that has nothign to do with the debate at hand.. but i do agree.

[quickdodge®]

:offtopic: -that has nothign to do with the debate at hand.. but i do agree.

Don't worry about what I post, boy. Later, QD.

[Thighs]

definitely the miata on both cases. i raced my friends stock automatic 240 today and he got PWNDED

[Annik5k]

definitely the miata on both cases. i raced my friends stock automatic 240 today and he got PWNDED

alway count on jes FTW.
HAHA....
funny thign is i raced one to today only it had an exaust and what souded to be a turbo but MORE THAN LIKELY a hole in the pipes.
because he struggled out of 1st wayyy to long.:lmfao:

[87 Turbo II]

As much as you don't want to read it, the Neon(first gen) has the Miata beat in that claim. Later, QD.
it's FWD, so no, it isn't. (DISCLAMIER: this is a biased opinionated hatred of FWD cars, so don't give me spec sheets or anything, I just hate FWD cars, and American cars, and a Neon is both)

[mx-5peed]

hahahahaah lol burned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Annik5k]

yup pretty much REAMED.

fux fwd. im done on that backass boat
X-fwd
X-US cars
X-hahahaha neon!?
maybe a nice focus done rite.... MY ONLY EXEPTION

[Thighs]

svt focus FTW.
fwd cars can be fast as crap on a track with the right driver. basically, you have to drive one with more oversteer. its the opposite of RWD. FWD throttle = understeer. you have to learn to pitch the car into the corner. instead of going full throttle to rotate, you lift.
WEIRD.

[Elbow]

QD sorry but a 1st gen Neon does not have a Miata beat for the best track car for the money...They had their moment in SS classes, but a Miata is RWD, lighter, fast rrevving, rock solid, the list goes on, and I do know about Neons as well so I am not just saying crap.

..and I pray you were kidding about a Miata not really being fast on a curvey road

[Thighs]

^^x2.

[Annik5k]

QD sorry but a 1st gen Neon does not have a Miata beat for the best track car for the money...They had their moment in SS classes, but a Miata is RWD, lighter, fast rrevving, rock solid, the list goes on, and I do know about Neons as well so I am not just saying crap.

..and I pray you were kidding about a Miata not really being fast on a curvey road

anyone smell fired because somone is gettin BURNED!
::thumbsup::

[n00bsrus]

so i'm the chick he was talking about racing and all i have to say is.... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL and yes, for those of you who neglected to see, I AM A CHICK. now i'm not saying i'd win or anything, but wouldn't it be funny to see a chick smoke a guy in a miata? just wait till i get the 455 under my hood nik. we'll see who smokes who then. ROFL

here's my car by the way... i'm picking it up this afternoon:
http://a977.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/39/l_00103ebce303b30710ca5d9f1b1441f0.jpg
i know most of you have too much rice in your eyes to appreciate it, but that's my baby

[Elbow]

Wanna race in the mountains when you get your 455?

[Elbow]

svt focus FTW.
fwd cars can be fast as crap on a track with the right driver. basically, you have to drive one with more oversteer. its the opposite of RWD. FWD throttle = understeer. you have to learn to pitch the car into the corner. instead of going full throttle to rotate, you lift.
WEIRD.

You CAN make FWD handle, I have owned five Hondas, all of which handeled VERY well. The Neon 1st gen DID have a good setup, at least the ones raced, but saying it's better then a Miata? :umno:

[n00bsrus]

haha i think i want to keep my car's rearend in tact for now... i'll think about it though. :o)

[n00bsrus]

kinda off topic... well not really, but nik, put a 5.0 HO mustang motor in your miata and i won't make fun of you too much.... that and you'll definitely smoke me. but we're not racing even for fun until i put new shocks and a new windshield on this car.

[n00bsrus]

oh and nik, by the way, your miata is pretty cute. gotta admit. ROFL ROFL

[Elbow]

There are other ways to make a Miata fast.

Plus, you can't really laugh as soon as you take one into the twisty roads

[n00bsrus]

yea my friend Mike Frohock is a prime example of "other ways to make miatas fast"

check it:
specs:
Rebuilt 96 9.0:1 compression block
ARP headstuds
MazdaComp motor mounts
Jackson Racing supercharger
Custom insta-boost kit for the s/c
Greddy blow off valve
Walbro 255lph fuel pump
JR BBK 150mm Crank pulley
TDR 62.5mm s/c pulley
Flyin' Miata Voodoo box
BRPerformance plug n' play harness
Front mount intercooler
OBX 4-2-1 Header
ANSA Dual exit muffler
custome 2.5" mid-pipe with cat. converter.
96 Miata 4:10 rear end with LSD
ACT 4-puck clutch
Fidanza Flywheel
Fans wired in parallel
160* thermostat
Flyin' Miata rear sway bar.
Hawk HP+ brake pads
MB Motoring Drifter wheels 15x7 +35 painted anodized green w/polished lip
Garage Vary Nose(the real thing)
OEM side skirts (large/AP2)
OEM rear kick panels
Carbon Wing
AutoMeter boost gauge
Kenwood MP3/CD player
Kenwood V12 amp for the speakers
Alpine 6" 2-way door speakers
Green gauge faces (only ones like this in the US.. no joke)


pics:
http://b2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01452/20/87/1452747802_l.jpg
http://a792.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/39/l_29aa268e2777f93ca4823339168a967f.jpg

ever heard of him? lol

[Elbow]

No never.......?? I hope your kidding lol.

[Elbow]

On the other hand you can make a Miata quick NA, turbo, other swaps, SC like his, etc etc. Miatas have endless options.

[n00bsrus]

too bad he's selling it

[Elbow]

There are plenty of other Miatas that are bad ass, plus I am not a fan of drifting anymore. Got old.

[BlkCD5]

is the firebird manual or auto?

[n00bsrus]

is the firebird manual or auto?

oh come on... i'm a female, what do you think?

[BlkCD5]

:dunno: thats why im asking. I'm not going to stereotype.

[n00bsrus]

it's an auto and it's going to stay that way for drag racing. B&M Quicksilver shifter is already in the mail

http://www.rjays.com/Trans/bmm_imgs/bmm80688-lg.jpg

[BlkCD5]

nice

[JennB]

:dunno: thats why im asking. I'm not going to stereotype.

Thank you. I've never even owned an auto and I'm definately female. Owned two 5-speeds and three 6-speeds.


And Mike's car is going turbo (yes, two turbo Miata's in one house) very soon and may or may not be up for sale. The car he was thinking about buying was sold and we're looking for a very specific car to replace his. It isn't going anywhere until then.

[Doppelgänger]

yea my friend Mike Frohock is a prime example of "other ways to make miatas fast"

check it:
specs:
Rebuilt 96 9.0:1 compression block
ARP headstuds
MazdaComp motor mounts
Jackson Racing supercharger
Custom insta-boost kit for the s/c
Greddy blow off valve
Walbro 255lph fuel pump
JR BBK 150mm Crank pulley
TDR 62.5mm s/c pulley
Flyin' Miata Voodoo box
BRPerformance plug n' play harness
Front mount intercooler
OBX 4-2-1 Header
ANSA Dual exit muffler
custome 2.5" mid-pipe with cat. converter.
96 Miata 4:10 rear end with LSD
Koni yellow adj. shocks
H&R Springs (350f/275r)
Flyin Miata rear sway bar
RabingBeat 1.75" Tubular front sway bar
ACT 4-puck clutch
Fidanza Flywheel
Fans wired in parallel
160* thermostat
Flyin' Miata rear sway bar.
Hawk HP+ brake pads
MB Motoring Drifter wheels 15x7 +35 painted anodized green w/polished lip
Garage Vary Nose(the real thing)
OEM side skirts (large/AP2)
OEM rear kick panels
Carbon Wing
AutoMeter boost gauge
Kenwood MP3/CD player
Kenwood V12 amp for the speakers
Alpine 6" 2-way door speakers
Green gauge faces (only ones like this in the US.. no joke)


pics:
http://b2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01452/20/87/1452747802_l.jpg
http://a792.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/39/l_29aa268e2777f93ca4823339168a967f.jpg

ever heard of him? lol

L O L what a piece of ****.

[OneSlow5pt0]

13BT Miata > 5.0 Miata

[BlkCD5]

originally posted by HypnoToad
13BT Miata > 5.0 Miata

:lmao: you and your damn rotaries. I've seen a 5.0 in a Fd though.

[Doppelgänger]

manual transmission > me

fixed

[Annik5k]

Damn im slippin anyway danielle im just pickin on your ass.
rice? - american? BOOOOOOO
if you want to see a real firebird the dude i bought my miata from will show ya how to build one.
all i gota say is ITS A BEAST.

maybe if youd hang some time insted of being a noobsauce you could check it out.

but put a bigger engine in your car.... still cant outhandle me AND THAT was the meaning of this post.

AND LEARN TO DRIVE A ****ING 5speed!
YOUR NOT A DRIVE UNTIL YOU ARE REALLY PART OF THE CAR! COME ON!
took me 15 min. to learn.

[81911SC]

Engines in the front are so overrated. :gay:

[87 Turbo II]

LOL @ Firebird, redneck car with all of its weight over the front wheels, Mazdas FTW, A Miata will hand a Firebird its ass if there are any twisties involved, and an FD would would beat it, and still have time to stop and let the turbos cool.

[vrt eggroll]

:lmao: you and your damn rotaries. I've seen a 5.0 in a Fd though.

I've seen a mustang with a 3 rotor.

[Doppelgänger]

Damn im slippin anyway danielle im just pickin on your ass.
rice? - american? BOOOOOOO
if you want to see a real firebird the dude i bought my miata from will show ya how to build one.
all i gota say is ITS A BEAST.

maybe if youd hang some time insted of being a noobsauce you could check it out.

but put a bigger engine in your car.... still cant outhandle me AND THAT was the meaning of this post.

AND LEARN TO DRIVE A ****ING 5speed!
YOUR NOT A DRIVE UNTIL YOU ARE REALLY PART OF THE CAR! COME ON!
took me 15 min. to learn.
wait a second..... she doesn't even own the car yet. :ninja:

[Thighs]

You CAN make FWD handle, I have owned five Hondas, all of which handeled VERY well. The Neon 1st gen DID have a good setup, at least the ones raced, but saying it's better then a Miata? :umno:

did i say it was better than a miata? no. i was basically saying that its all a matter of opinion.

anyways, i bet 0-60 the miata can take the firebird. if a miata can take an olds 442 with an auto, it can take a firebird.

and n00bsrus, ur sig is HUGE.

[Elbow]

^I was talking to QD

[Roadster]

13BT Miata > 5.0 Miata

All motor V6 > 5.0 > 13BT :taun:

[Roadster]

LOL @ Firebird, redneck car with all of its weight over the front wheels, Mazdas FTW, A Miata will hand a Firebird its ass if there are any twisties involved, and an FD would would beat it, and still have time to stop and let the turbos cool.

Stock for stock yes, but that's only because people have always built Firebirds/Camaros/Mustangs and the like for straight line. You don't see many big bore domestic coupes built to take on Miatas in their comfort zone. There's nothing that says you can't make a Firebird or any other American coupe turn and stop. Ever heard of Mark Donohue?

No matter what car it is, and no matter what suspension geometry it is (even strut fronts and solid rear), you can make it handle as long as the weight isn't too outlandish. I'd be really, really scared of a well built 5.0 Mustang built for the road course instead of the drag strip.

And nOObs, I didn't take the time to read the whole thread, but is that a 305 or a 350 or...something else in that Firebird? You can never tell what lump someone has dropped in over the years.

[OneSlow5pt0]

All motor V6 > 5.0 > 13BT :taun:

if u say so:screwy:

[Thighs]

^I was talking to QD

then why did you quote my post...? lol

[metalman]

Ever heard of Mark Donohue?

.

Yes I have. But I have heard of all the old guys...I was alive then. :D

There was a 3 hour endurance race at Road Atlanta during the recent ARRC. It featured various types of IT (improved touring) cars including V8 Mustangs. Those cars were quite fast and turned good lap times but heavy fast cars tend to use up brakes. Also, being of standard Ford quality offers other issues. In the end a Miata won overall...which isnt unusual in my SCCA experience.
Being agile, light, and able to maintain speed through corners and run consistent lap times without mechanical failures is everything in that kind of racing. The Miata is a world class sports car car perfectly suited for just that.
A Neon on the otherhand is a car well suited to unemployed redneck trailer park life. :D

As for an 81 Fireturd...those were built during an era of heavy pig underpowered slowassness. Although any car, including one of those, can be built to go fast, it wouldnt be the greatest platform for road racing....unless youre racing other heavy pigs of the same type and era. :goodjob:

[87 Turbo II]

No matter what weight reductions you do, a chassis that long with the outdated suspension setpus and egith distribution(main facto here) you simply cannot beat the Japanese sports car with American counterparts unless you are talking about a late model Corvette.

[redrumracer]

so i'm the chick he was talking about racing and all i have to say is.... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL and yes, for those of you who neglected to see, I AM A CHICK. now i'm not saying i'd win or anything, but wouldn't it be funny to see a chick smoke a guy in a miata? just wait till i get the 455 under my hood nik. we'll see who smokes who then. ROFL

here's my car by the way... i'm picking it up this afternoon:
http://a977.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/39/l_00103ebce303b30710ca5d9f1b1441f0.jpg
i know most of you have too much rice in your eyes to appreciate it, but that's my baby

spinning tires aint winning darling

oh and mike aint sellin his car he is going to turbo it, or at least thats what he said last week

[40th GT]

Go Mazda! I have to give it to the car that weighs like 1/2 as much.

I'd be careful with your exaggerations Mazdaguy. The Miata weighs about 2200 lbs and the Firebird is about 3300 lbs. That's nowhere near a 2x difference.

Best of luck to you, n00bsrus, or whoever is racing. :goodjob:

[87 Turbo II]

I'd be careful with your exaggerations Mazdaguy. The Miata weighs about 2200 lbs and the Firebird is about 3300 lbs. That's nowhere near a 2x difference.

Best of luck to you, n00bsrus, or whoever is racing. :goodjob:
I was saying it in the knowledge that it was an exaggeration. I wasn't serious.

[THX712517]

1100 lbs. is still pretty damn noticeable. Miata ftw.

[87 Turbo II]

Yeah, a Firebird is 150% of the weight a Miata has to lug around.

[Kalifornia087]

LOL @ Firebird, redneck car with all of its weight over the front wheels, Mazdas FTW, A Miata will hand a Firebird its ass if there are any twisties involved, and an FD would would beat it, and still have time to stop and let the turbos cool.

A good friend of mine has an 1984 z28 that would stomp a mudhole in a stock TII (like yours) in the corners and still kick my old TII's ass (330rwhp) in the quarter mile. And still run the same curves right with my other friends FD. He built it for under 6k. Its all about how you build it and what for.

[DC nismo]

miata

[Thighs]

A good friend of mine has an 1984 z28 that would stomp a mudhole in a stock TII (like yours) in the corners and still kick my old TII's ass (330rwhp) in the quarter mile. And still run the same curves right with my other friends FD. He built it for under 6k. Its all about how you build it and what for.

im calling shenanigans.

[Kalifornia087]

...

[Thighs]

LOL

i was just saying that that camaro better have like 450whp and 14 inch slicks...

btw, no car with that stuff ^^ is a 6g car...

[Kalifornia087]

LOL
i was just saying that that camaro better have like 450whp and 14 inch slicks...
btw, no car with that stuff ^^ is a 6g car...
It has just under 500 (don't remember exact numbers, like 480 or something) WHP, and torque to match. And it has circle track styled 17's with 275/45/17" tires.
Car was bought for $1500, motor for $1000, about $1500 in suspension mods, give or take a few. Plus about another grand in the motor to make it as bad as it is now (its a 400 that was going to go in a boat lol). And like 500 or so in wheels/tires. Mostly which were from the tires!

Total in the car is right in there between 5-6k. Just depends on how you build it like i said.
Oh and i just did that picture to be funny. I love that movie lol.

[OneSlow5pt0]

It has just under 500 (don't remember exact numbers, like 480 or something) WHP, and torque to match. And it has circle track styled 17's with 275/45/17" tires.
Car was bought for $1500, motor for $1000, about $1500 in suspension mods, give or take a few. Plus about another grand in the motor to make it as bad as it is now (its a 400 that was going to go in a boat lol). And like 500 or so in wheels/tires. Mostly which were from the tires!

Total in the car is right in there between 5-6k. Just depends on how you build it like i said.
Oh and i just did that picture to be funny. I love that movie lol.

u can do lot more for less money with soemthing like a camaro,mustang,firebird compared to a RX-7 which mods cost pretty penny

[Annik5k]

when ya dont have to import parts things tend to cost a little less. even a novice driver knows that.

[Doppelgänger]

miatas are ghey

[superman]

miata

[40th GT]

Its all about how you build it and what for.

Exactly. Where the car was made does not determine how a car will perform.

[40th GT]

Yeah, a Firebird is 150% of the weight a Miata has to lug around.

Yeah, the Firebird also has 147% more power and 255% more torque than the Miata. (no exaggeration here)

Let's not forget the fact that the Miata will reach full potential WAY EARLIER than the V8 powered Firebird.
There's no replacement for displacement.

EDIT: okay, i just re-read the first post of this thread and realized that it's a track race and not a drag race. In that case, power and displacement won't be the primary factors, but I think that they'll make up for the heavier weight, and the subpar handling characteristics of the Firebird.

[Doppelgänger]

^ you're forgetting that the Firebird in question is someones "pulled out of the kudzu" special. It's a 81 and had 8974359874 smog restrictions, has NOT been restored, has not been tuned....... IT'S A 220HP BOAT ANCHOR. The 81's were the slowest of all from back then. I know that car isn't a 455 or one of the other larger engine options...... and the side pipes probably take power away too....

Keep in mind... we are NOT talking about this:
http://www.dragtimes.com/images/10901-1979-Pontiac-Firebird.jpg


More about on the lines of...
http://www.ctcautoranch.com/Cars/Pontiac/1979%20Pontiac%20TransAm/1979%20Pontiac%20Trans%20Am%20C.JPG

[Annik5k]

ID LIKE TO MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT IF THIS GOS DOWN... its not a fu*king street race... and quickdodge is a c*ckbag.
its just a debate... not the ****ing superbowl so stop sh*ttin your pants ppl.
:slap: (misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=4#):dunno: (misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=4#)

[quickdodge®]

**** you, boy. Later, QD.

[n00bsrus]

Thank you. I've never even owned an auto and I'm definately female. Owned two 5-speeds and three 6-speeds.


And Mike's car is going turbo (yes, two turbo Miata's in one house) very soon and may or may not be up for sale. The car he was thinking about buying was sold and we're looking for a very specific car to replace his. It isn't going anywhere until then.


that's good that he's not selling it just yet. that is one badass miata.

[n00bsrus]

Damn im slippin anyway danielle im just pickin on your ass.
rice? - american? BOOOOOOO
if you want to see a real firebird the dude i bought my miata from will show ya how to build one.
all i gota say is ITS A BEAST.

maybe if youd hang some time insted of being a noobsauce you could check it out.

but put a bigger engine in your car.... still cant outhandle me AND THAT was the meaning of this post.

AND LEARN TO DRIVE A ****ING 5speed!
YOUR NOT A DRIVE UNTIL YOU ARE REALLY PART OF THE CAR! COME ON!
took me 15 min. to learn.


lol. i'm just working on getting all the kinks out of this bird at the moment. 6 hours of body work with bondo and spot putty and i JUST got the first coat of paint on her. and talk about being a n00bsauce, i'm not the one who posted this thread. lololol i actually go out and WORK on my car. i don't sit on the internet all day.

auto transmission = for lazy people like me who don't care to make my car shift. i like it to do it on its own.... now THAT'S impressive. lololol

[n00bsrus]

LOL @ Firebird, redneck car with all of its weight over the front wheels, Mazdas FTW, A Miata will hand a Firebird its ass if there are any twisties involved, and an FD would would beat it, and still have time to stop and let the turbos cool.


just so you know, i'm NOT a goddamn redneck. i just like the car. get off my twat a-hole.

[n00bsrus]

Stock for stock yes, but that's only because people have always built Firebirds/Camaros/Mustangs and the like for straight line. You don't see many big bore domestic coupes built to take on Miatas in their comfort zone. There's nothing that says you can't make a Firebird or any other American coupe turn and stop. Ever heard of Mark Donohue?

No matter what car it is, and no matter what suspension geometry it is (even strut fronts and solid rear), you can make it handle as long as the weight isn't too outlandish. I'd be really, really scared of a well built 5.0 Mustang built for the road course instead of the drag strip.

And nOObs, I didn't take the time to read the whole thread, but is that a 305 or a 350 or...something else in that Firebird? You can never tell what lump someone has dropped in over the years.


it's a 305. not much hp, but it runs, so i'm happy. i just want to do this car some justice. i could give a crap less about street racing or track racing or any b-s like that. i just want that car to be everything that it could be. and thank you for not being a douche like everyone else and playing devil's advocate on this thread. i'm sick of people not being able to fathom that their car could maybe, just possibly get beaten by another car. >_> i hate close-minded people.

[OneSlow5pt0]

lol. i'm just working on getting all the kinks out of this bird at the moment. 6 hours of body work with bondo and spot putty and i JUST got the first coat of paint on her. and talk about being a n00bsauce, i'm not the one who posted this thread. lololol i actually go out and WORK on my car. i don't sit on the internet all day.

auto transmission = for lazy people like me who don't care to make my car shift. i like it to do it on its own.... now THAT'S impressive. lololol

also those auto transmissions were way better than the stick shift they had..hell i believe the IROC-Z ran .4 faster with a auto

[n00bsrus]

As for an 81 Fireturd...those were built during an era of heavy pig underpowered slowassness. Although any car, including one of those, can be built to go fast, it wouldnt be the greatest platform for road racing....unless youre racing other heavy pigs of the same type and era. :goodjob:


and that's why i don't want to make it a track car. i want to make it a drag car. i mean look on the bright side... if you wreck an old "heavy pig" it's no big deal to fix... cause you can just go to a pull apart or a junk yard or if you want to spend a little more money, year one or national parts depot and buy new parts for cheap... if you wreck a miata or something of that nature, parts are EXPENSIVE.
i'm not trying to start anything on this forum... the only reason i have an account here is because of my corolla and a few friends of mine who introduced me to it. anyways... i like my heavy pig of a car, and i wouldn't trade it for the world. even for a miata.

[n00bsrus]

I'd be careful with your exaggerations Mazdaguy. The Miata weighs about 2200 lbs and the Firebird is about 3300 lbs. That's nowhere near a 2x difference.

Best of luck to you, n00bsrus, or whoever is racing. :goodjob:


thank you for your support and overall kindness... it kinda sucks when an entire thread forum of guys is attacking a female. cut me some slack guys. i just got into cars about a year and a half ago. i just like to drive fast and learn about cars every opportunity i can get, and once again. i love my firebird. it's the most awesome thing i've ever owned and the fact that i actually paid for it with my own money makes me even more proud to own it.

[n00bsrus]

im calling shenanigans.


i can believe it. i think a z28 with that set up is totally doable

[n00bsrus]

u can do lot more for less money with soemthing like a camaro,mustang,firebird compared to a RX-7 which mods cost pretty penny


i couldn't agree more. unless you're going for the original factory remake look.... cause that year one $hit's expensive

[n00bsrus]

^ you're forgetting that the Firebird in question is someones "pulled out of the kudzu" special. It's a 81 and had 8974359874 smog restrictions, has NOT been restored, has not been tuned....... IT'S A 220HP BOAT ANCHOR. The 81's were the slowest of all from back then. I know that car isn't a 455 or one of the other larger engine options...... and the side pipes probably take power away too....

Keep in mind... we are NOT talking about this:
http://www.dragtimes.com/images/10901-1979-Pontiac-Firebird.jpg


More about on the lines of...
http://www.ctcautoranch.com/Cars/Pontiac/1979%20Pontiac%20TransAm/1979%20Pontiac%20Trans%20Am%20C.JPG

actually my car has never sat in kudzu or a field, it's in immaculate condition for an almost 27 year old car. it had maybe 2 rust spots on it which were about the size of a quarter. the body has never been damaged. no it doesn't have the 455 engine in it, i believe you're thinking of the trans ams of 1979(and earlier) which has the 455 stock. trans am does not = a firebird. don't be fooled. and it's not a formula. it's just a sort of rare girl model of the firebird (81 espirit skybird). now... i'll bet you 100000$ that if i fully restored this car to it's original specs i could buy 2 miatas with the money i made off of it. but that's not what this thread is discussing.
on another note, the first pic is from a 1st gen body style... it's not even the same body style as the second picture.

[SE-Rious1]

actually my car has never sat in kudzu or a field, it's in immaculate condition for an almost 27 year old car. it had maybe 2 rust spots on it which were about the size of a quarter. the body has never been damaged. no it doesn't have the 455 engine in it, i believe you're thinking of the trans ams of 1979(and earlier) which has the 455 stock. trans am does not = a firebird. don't be fooled. and it's not a formula. it's just a sort of rare girl model of the firebird (81 espirit skybird). now... i'll bet you 100000$ that if i fully restored this car to it's original specs i could buy 2 miatas with the money i made off of it. but that's not what this thread is discussing.
on another note, the first pic is from a 1st gen body style... it's not even the same body style as the second picture.
my bro has a 69 firebird with 400 bigblock he is looking for a 76 transam body you know any one ?

[Doppelgänger]

actually my car has never sat in kudzu or a field, it's in immaculate condition for an almost 27 year old car. it had maybe 2 rust spots on it which were about the size of a quarter. the body has never been damaged. no it doesn't have the 455 engine in it, i believe you're thinking of the trans ams of 1979(and earlier) which has the 455 stock. trans am does not = a firebird. don't be fooled. and it's not a formula. it's just a sort of rare girl model of the firebird (81 espirit skybird). now... i'll bet you 100000$ that if i fully restored this car to it's original specs i could buy 2 miatas with the money i made off of it. but that's not what this thread is discussing.
on another note, the first pic is from a 1st gen body style... it's not even the same body style as the second picture.


http://www.sneeko.net/images/macros/missed_point.jpg

[40th GT]

LOL, nice picture Badger.

n00bsrus, I see that you're in the same town as I am. :whaasup:

[metalman]

and that's why i don't want to make it a track car. i want to make it a drag car.


Well my comments were directed to the original post...

"93 Miata vs. 81 Firebird-
Both bone stock.
ON track not drag.
who wins?"

...so they stand as is. :goodjob:




i mean look on the bright side... if you wreck an old "heavy pig" it's no big deal to fix... cause you can just go to a pull apart or a junk yard or if you want to spend a little more money, year one or national parts depot and buy new parts for cheap... if you wreck a miata or something of that nature, parts are EXPENSIVE.
.

81 Firebird parts arent that plentiful in junkyards, I used to make my living from classic cars....and Miata parts dont cost me much of anything...but I appreciate your enthusiasm. Enjoy your classic!

[Doppelgänger]

Yeah... uuummmm about that bet. If you had that kinda cash, i'd take you up on it. I have yet to find a clean/original/numbers matching 81 Firebird for more than $25k, but that was for a Trans-Am Pace Car edition..... not a base model Furbird.

But, you're saying that after paying a few thousand dollars and then investing a modest $25,000 to restore (using correct parts, and PROPERLY restoring.... not using tubs of bondo and Macco paint), you're goign to have to sell it for about $70,000 to be able to cover the cost of 2 modest Miatas. I'm assuming you'd be talking about newer miatas..... which go for $15k to $20k for a 2004-2005 and new MX-5's can go as high as $30k.

Yeah, i dont think so.

[Annik5k]

This thread has gone to BALLS.
im bored with it now.
have fun everyone.
Danielle we need to hang soon.
have fun with ur new car.
hope u love it as much as i love mine.
Luv & respect.
lets get these project cars underway.
then maybe well put this post behind us.
if ya need a garage or tools.
i got ya covered nugga.

[n00bsrus]

my bro has a 69 firebird with 400 bigblock he is looking for a 76 transam body you know any one ?


i've seen a couple on craigslist... 2 77's i believe just check the craigslist. that's where i found my car.

[n00bsrus]

LOL, nice picture Badger.

n00bsrus, I see that you're in the same town as I am. :whaasup:


haha what's up? yea i'm from L'ville i'm living in gainesville at the moment for college and whatnot.

[n00bsrus]

This thread has gone to BALLS.
im bored with it now.
have fun everyone.
Danielle we need to hang soon.
have fun with ur new car.
hope u love it as much as i love mine.
Luv & respect.
lets get these project cars underway.
then maybe well put this post behind us.
if ya need a garage or tools.
i got ya covered nugga.


yea this thread has come down to a who has more balls in the sack kinda argument.... but then again it's on import atlanta, so that's to be expected.
you got my number nucca. and i don't do $hit ever, so call me and come hang out and we'll show each other our new cars. everyone at James' shop wants to work on this car, so i'm covered on tools, garage, and free labor. thx though.

[quickdodge®]

This thread has gone to BALLS.

It went that way with this post......HERE!!! (http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36257238&postcount=1) Later, QD.

[Annik5k]

did you know yor still a c*ckbag? later QD <- we know you posted you fag, stop signing everthing.
(seniority or not you still IA's official c*ckbag)
f*ck off.

[quickdodge®]

did you know yor still a c*ckbag?

Coming from you I'm sure I don't have to worry about this.


later QD <- we know you posted you fag, stop signing everthing.

Ahhhh. Hmmmm. A person driving a Miata calling someone else a fag? Lolol.


(seniority or not you still IA's official c*ckbag)

Again.


f*ck off.

Yeah. Later, QD.