why?

[YokotaS13]

Why do you do it?
why do you sacrifice safety, and performance for a cheaper price?
why do you degrade your car by using them??

WHY THE **** DO YOU USE KNOCKOFF WHEELs

all you rota/sportmax whatever the **** is the name of hte week...why not save the cash and buy the real wheels?

[Capt._Ron]

Sacrifice performance? yes most knockoffs are heavier than the real thing, Saftey? bull**** how often to you hear of a knockoff wheel causing a wreck, it doesn't happen. Why would someone on a tight budget waste $3000 dollars on one part for their car? Does it really make sense to spend 2-3K $ on a car that cost 3K? Think about what you could do with all the money you save by buying knockoff wheels. Futhermore if you really want the best performance cheap you should run the widest most high performance tire possible on you stock wheels to save money.

Spending 3K on wheels=fail
Cheap wheels that look good until you can afford expensive ones=WIN!!

[blaknoize]

Capt Rons got a point. Not all of us have money like you Yokota, or ur family, or mom&dad, whomever supplies u with money. I'd buy a knockoff any day before I laid down 2-3k for a set of wheels.

[YokotaS13]

Sacrifice performance? yes most knockoffs are heavier than the real thing, Saftey? bull**** how often to you hear of a knockoff wheel causing a wreck, it doesn't happen. Why would someone on a tight budget waste $3000 dollars on one part for their car? Does it really make sense to spend 2-3K $ on a car that cost 3K? Think about what you could do with all the money you save by buying knockoff wheels. Futhermore if you really want the best performance cheap you should run the widest most high performance tire possible on you stock wheels to save money.

Spending 3K on wheels=fail
Cheap wheels that look good until you can afford expensive ones=WIN!!
3k?
No
you can get work XD9s/XT7/XC8 for like 1200.00
and the biggest tire is teh WORST idea ever. learn some about tires please.

buying cheap wheels to save money until you buy new ones?
WHy not jsut save up and buy ONE SINGLE set of wheels?
instead of wasting money on others.....that you end up reselling you loose money on.
if you buy Quality wheels, they normally retain their value.

sa far as safety....have you ever heard of a Work hub comming off a wheel?
ive seen a sportmax do it.....an idiot in japan with them did it at the track. mid drift the rear wheel separated from teh hub...it was still bolted on.

[Bruce Leroy]

I'm a college student, and I don't track my car. 2 perfectly good reasons why knockoffs will suit me just fine.

[Deke]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with rota wheels. I've known numerous people with them and never has anything gone wrong. Granted, it would be better to have the real thing if you track your car, but for someone who just wants a decent, nice looking set of wheels, why not?

The only people I see being upset about knock-offs are guys who own the real thing and get mad because the general public has no idea that they are different.

I mean, damn, who cares what other people put on there own cars? It's not like they're an eye soar like neon lights or hideous body kits.

[Hitman3.1]

he has somewhat of a point, but as for riding stock till you save up enough money :no:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/jnatividad/IMG_6549.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/jnatividad/IMG_6545.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/jnatividad/wheel.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/jnatividad/wheel3.jpg

BTW these are Rota wheels :(

[Z33_kid]

Sacrifice performance? yes most knockoffs are heavier than the real thing, Saftey? bull**** how often to you hear of a knockoff wheel causing a wreck, it doesn't happen. Why would someone on a tight budget waste $3000 dollars on one part for their car? Does it really make sense to spend 2-3K $ on a car that cost 3K? Think about what you could do with all the money you save by buying knockoff wheels. Futhermore if you really want the best performance cheap you should run the widest most high performance tire possible on you stock wheels to save money.

Spending 3K on wheels=fail
Cheap wheels that look good until you can afford expensive ones=WIN!!


i agree with you man btw yokotas13 not every one can afford 2-3k rims oranges to apples ,function to form

[YokotaS13]

its not 2-3k
did you read ANY posts i made?

you can get works for 1200-1500...and others for around the same price.

[Hitman3.1]

$1650 from Japan :goodjob:

[Kyle]

This doesn't look degrading, it looks better than any $1000 wheel. Plus a legitimate retailer makes this replica.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p137/kharman3/P1010250.jpg

[Deke]

lol, I just don't get why it bothers you so much...

[Kyle]

its not 2-3k
did you read ANY posts i made?

you can get works for 1200-1500...and others for around the same price.
Where? 18's? If so I'd get some VS-xx's in a second, but I havent seen them under $2.5k.

[SupraCoupe]

Where? 18's? If so I'd get some VS-xx's in a second, but I havent seen them under $2.5k.

18's, $1650
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/prophet180/WorkEquips18x9-2018x9-27.jpg

[YokotaS13]

Where? 18's? If so I'd get some VS-xx's in a second, but I havent seen them under $2.5k.
i can get them around 2,000 new a set

[SupraCoupe]

i can get them around 2,000 new a set

really hmmmm, what else can you get?

[YokotaS13]

anything you need i can get
i was thinking about becoming a site vendor

but i dont think this site has enough people that care enough to buy higher line items like name brand wheels.
i can get anythign new, and alot of used wheels as well

[SupraCoupe]

can you get theses

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309898&highlight=headlight+cover

[Fr33way]

he has somewhat of a point, but as for riding stock till you save up enough money :no:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/jnatividad/IMG_6549.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/jnatividad/IMG_6545.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/jnatividad/wheel.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/jnatividad/wheel3.jpg

BTW these are Rota wheels :(

Damn! Was that just hard street driving?

[SupraCoupe]

no this is the story behind it

"Heres the deal: I left my car at home (go to college up in santa barbara); so my sis and mom go run to best buy and other places today and out of no where the wheel blows around the plaza blvd exit on the 805s. theyre both okay which is the good thing (just swirved but got to a safe place by the exit) .when they called me i thought the tire blew out but when i got the pics i was like "WTH!!" is this a factory defect???"

[LeX]

sportmax on my project car because it's a sportmax design, not a replica of anything (002) and the right offset :)

my main car has rays.

[YokotaS13]

can you get theses

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309898&highlight=headlight+cover
yesssssssssss
pm in a second

[Fr33way]

no this is the story behind it

"Heres the deal: I left my car at home (go to college up in santa barbara); so my sis and mom go run to best buy and other places today and out of no where the wheel blows around the plaza blvd exit on the 805s. theyre both okay which is the good thing (just swirved but got to a safe place by the exit) .when they called me i thought the tire blew out but when i got the pics i was like "WTH!!" is this a factory defect???"

That's enough to keep me off Rota, I drive too spirited for that sh)t.

[yudalicious]

That's enough to keep me off Rota, I drive too spirited for that sh)t.
Funny. Coming from a guy who runs SSRs, whose quality amongst popular "real deal" wheels is suspect at best.

[LeX]

Funny. Coming from a guy who runs SSRs, whose quality amongst popular "real deal" wheels is suspect at best.

i think problems with SSR rims are US market and very limited to which rims are affected and or suspect

[Glides]

Why do you do it?
why do you sacrifice safety, and performance for a cheaper price?
why do you degrade your car by using them??

WHY THE **** DO YOU USE KNOCKOFF WHEELs

all you rota/sportmax whatever the **** is the name of hte week...why not save the cash and buy the real wheels?

Sacrifice safety? Are you high? Do you actually know what you are talking about?

I got hit in the front left quarter of a 240 on the highway by a lady pressing 85. She hit right in the wheel. Sport Max. Put a 1/4 inch gash in it and knocked the air valve out. Other than that, no bends and still held air. As for sacrificing performance, heavier sure, but other than that...it's a wheel. So unless name brand wheels somehow managed to re-invent the wheel,...it's a wheel.

So you can feel free to blow your money on whatever wheel makes you **** hard but smart people without major resources don't shoot their load on a set of wheels cause they say Rays on em.

[Echonova]

but smart people without major resources don't shoot their load on a set of wheels cause they say Rays on em.Actually... I do. I just have to run away before he cops come.:ninja:

[Glides]

Actually... I do. I just have to run away before he cops come.:ninja:

You sumbitch, I was wondering what that gooey stuff was on my "LONGCHAMPS" (shameless namebrand wheel plug) after that last Athens event. You steer clear of them tonight buddy :D

[Echonova]

Better than doing it on my Watanabe wheels (shameless wheel plug) or my 2 piece Weds (again) in the garage.

[Glides]

Better than doing it on my Watanabe wheels (shameless wheel plug) or my 2 piece Weds (again) in the garage.

Touche' master Swordsman, touche'.

[Capt._Ron]

3k?
No
you can get work XD9s/XT7/XC8 for like 1200.00
and the biggest tire is teh WORST idea ever. learn some about tires please.

buying cheap wheels to save money until you buy new ones?
WHy not jsut save up and buy ONE SINGLE set of wheels?
instead of wasting money on others.....that you end up reselling you loose money on.
if you buy Quality wheels, they normally retain their value.

sa far as safety....have you ever heard of a Work hub comming off a wheel?
ive seen a sportmax do it.....an idiot in japan with them did it at the track. mid drift the rear wheel separated from teh hub...it was still bolted on.

If you are going to respond to my post please read it correctly first. I never said biggest tire. You are correct that would be dumb. I said widest. If you are looking for pure performance putting the widest, stickiest tire on your stock wheel will often provide much better performance than a cheap tire stretched on a bigger, wider aftermarket wheel.

[cdhtang]

I don't know, but i will save up money for a brand name.
At least get enkei, after I see knock off bending by running over pot holes, I rather get something brand name. The theory behind things are you get what you pay for.

[YokotaS13]

If you are going to respond to my post please read it correctly first. I never said biggest tire. You are correct that would be dumb. I said widest. If you are looking for pure performance putting the widest, stickiest tire on your stock wheel will often provide much better performance than a cheap tire stretched on a bigger, wider aftermarket wheel.
still dumb

do yourself a favor
check out JGCT cars, and other road race cars
EVERY ONE OF THEM has a SLIGHT stretch to them
there was a huge argument on another forum about this

[Whiteboy™]

JDM FACEOFF!!!!

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2254325/2/istockphoto_2254325_samurai_fight.jpg

[Dirty Octopus™]

Touche' master Swordsman, touche'.
:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
yo! lemme know when you wanna do this shoot! :bump:

[Thighs]

still dumb

do yourself a favor
check out JGCT cars, and other road race cars
EVERY ONE OF THEM has a SLIGHT stretch to them
there was a huge argument on another forum about this

ACTUALLY road race cars have no stretch to the tires. having stretch=having no grip. the tire has to be able to flex to grip. thats the whole concept behind a tire.

this argument is another dumb subjective argument. there is plenty of good reasons to buy rotas instead of spoons. and do you know how many race wheels get bent on apex curbs? do you know how many affordable race wheels there actually is? why drop a bunch of cash on some bling bling heavy ass jdm crap wheels, if you can buy something non-bling and lightweight like team dynamics? because in your opinion, the bling jdm wheels are better. money is money. if you have the money to drop a ****load on rims, by all means go ahead. ill stick with the budget wheels even if i have the money for something better.

[Z33_kid]

its not 2-3k
did you read ANY posts i made?

you can get works for 1200-1500...and others for around the same price.


plus some tires ?? more than that budd iv seen some deals like that with tires but thats time to time & they sell fast

[YokotaS13]

plus some tires ?? more than that budd iv seen some deals like that with tires but thats time to time & they sell fast
what tires do you buy?
Federals....80-100 a piece in 18s.

[YokotaS13]

ACTUALLY road race cars have no stretch to the tires. having stretch=having no grip. the tire has to be able to flex to grip. thats the whole concept behind a tire.

this argument is another dumb subjective argument. there is plenty of good reasons to buy rotas instead of spoons. and do you know how many race wheels get bent on apex curbs? do you know how many affordable race wheels there actually is? why drop a bunch of cash on some bling bling heavy ass jdm crap wheels, if you can buy something non-bling and lightweight like team dynamics? because in your opinion, the bling jdm wheels are better. money is money. if you have the money to drop a ****load on rims, by all means go ahead. ill stick with the budget wheels even if i have the money for something better.
I dunno about you
but my 19s weigh 27 lbs each
thats like lighter than a sportmax.....
there is an advantage to jdm goodness if htats what you wanna call it.
ill post some pics of race cars that have strech on em...i just gotta find the thread that we had hte argument on zilvia....keep in touch

and im selling the 19s to go back to 18s, i dont like the feel...when i do. im geting new LMGT4s, Meisters, GTUs, or TE37s...not sure which one yet

[Fr33way]

Funny. Coming from a guy who runs SSRs, whose quality amongst popular "real deal" wheels is suspect at best.

Wouldn't make a difference if I was on 15x6.5'' steelies. Comment was directed at the picture, not at what a badazZ JDM wheel snob I am.

[Thighs]

ur 19s weigh 27? thats pretty heavy. then again it IS a 19... its always gonna be heavy.

personally, i wouldnt put anything bigger than MAYBE a 16 on my miata. kinda like comparing apples to oranges.... lol

LOL @ your muffler tip...

[YokotaS13]

btw
18 inch equips weigh 34 lbs...
well 18x10s do

[Capt._Ron]

btw
18 inch equips weigh 34 lbs...
well 18x10s do

Well damn! My cheap as ****, going to get me killed because they are unsafe, i should be embarrased to drive in public sportmax 962's(yea its a shameless knockoff wheel plug) in a 18x9.5 weigh in at 29 lbs.... and they cost me how much for the set $600 oh ****e son!! I just hope my wheel doesnt just break cause its so ballin ha ha.

Really yokota everyone likes what you do with your cars. Your wheels/fitments are sick. I love the vip style and i liked your s13 too but knock off wheels aren't that bad. Until everyone got the wheels I actually thought the sportmax wheels were badass.

[Glides]

You want to impress me with your J_wheels, find me some Cherry Blossoms at a decent price. You do that and i'll be throroughly impressed.

[LeX]

You want to impress me with your J_wheels, find me some Cherry Blossoms at a decent price. You do that and i'll be throroughly impressed.


Sakura wheels are godlike :idb:
http://www.japanesenostalgiccar.com/forum/pics/rims/sakura.jpg

[LeX]

this thread is always a great resource for JDM wheels/pics

http://www.japanesenostalgiccar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=605

[yudalicious]

I use rotas as dailys in DC's ungodly streets and as DE wheels with street tires (not shy of curbing either). Seen many others who use them on autocross, DE, daily cars with street or R comps without problems. Incidents happen with all kinds of wheels, the difference is the same Rota failure pics get recycled all over the internet, several years after it happened. And with the sheer amount of Rotas that get being used, I'm not surprised there's isolated incidents of failures. In the end, I could care less if people know it's Rota or not, as long as it works for me and does the job.

[Glides]

Sakura wheels are godlike :idb:
http://www.japanesenostalgiccar.com/forum/pics/rims/sakura.jpg

Agreed.

[YokotaS13]

You want to impress me with your J_wheels, find me some Cherry Blossoms at a decent price. You do that and i'll be throroughly impressed.
dude
they make the cherry blossoms again....
like 800 a wheel.

[YokotaS13]

I use rotas as dailys in DC's ungodly streets and as DE wheels with street tires (not shy of curbing either). Seen many others who use them on autocross, DE, daily cars with street or R comps without problems. Incidents happen with all kinds of wheels, the difference is the same Rota failure pics get recycled all over the internet, several years after it happened. And with the sheer amount of Rotas that get being used, I'm not surprised there's isolated incidents of failures. In the end, I could care less if people know it's Rota or not, as long as it works for me and does the job.

with the sheer amount of work/weds/rays being used, i havent seen one picture, heard one horror story

your story doesnt work

[Glides]

dude
they make the cherry blossoms again....
like 800 a wheel.

Time to order some then.

[speedminded]

TIRES are where the safety concern is, not the wheels. I've seen as many or more high quality "race" wheels bend than 5lb. heavier "knock-off" wheels. I'd say driving on a cheap no name tire on a forged wheel is far more dangerous than a heavier cast wheel with a high quality tire.


with the sheer amount of work/weds/rays being used, i havent seen one picture, heard one horror story

your story doesnt workAround here what is the ratio of Rota or equivalent to a big name manufacturer? 5 to 1? 10 to 1? So of course there will be more stories about the cheaper version, especially when dealing with bad road conditions and the way some people drive.

[LeX]

definitely. Tires are a concern but more for traction than anything else eh?

[yerrow]

wheel/tire fitment is an art in Japan that hasn't doesn't translate in the US market.
the japanese truly value the quality and functionality of proper extreme wheel/tire fitment.
that being said, i completely appreciate proper fitment and quality products

[YokotaS13]

nah
thin sidewall tires dont absorb as much impact form potholes and whatnot

but the diff between a real wheel bending. you can get it straightened without weakening the metal too much.
a cast knockoff i woudlnt straighen one for any money.

And all of japan uses real wheels....way outnumbers the US knockoff uses....so still, youd see pictures or somethig off some video or some ****...since everythign else makes it on message boards ya know?
There is more than the United states i the world that modify cars....

[Deke]

It's still not at all a common thing for Rotas and others to break. I personally have a much harder time understanding people that put on wheels that are worth 50% of the value of their car.

[YokotaS13]

why?
no different than putting paint or aero thats worth waht your car is

its about pride in your vehicle.

[ash7]

dang, i wish i could move to japan and be so jdm tyte with my wheelzz like Yokota...

...until then i will deal with my snapped hubs, bent rims, and car that has been deemed "unsafe" by Yokota himself... enjoying it at the auto-x course, and for all my "spirited" driving purposes.

Quit trying to make it sound like everyone's wheels are going to snap off their car because they're cheaper than the "real deals." Do you realize how many different sets of rims have been cranked out by Rota, Sportmaxx, Drag, and everyone else? Chances of workmanship defect are greater simply because of sheer numbers alone.

repost
http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143782&highlight=Rota

-jonathan

[YokotaS13]

im not
this was a simple wondering as to why you would sacrifice quality and reliability, to save a few bucks.

thats all

[Thighs]

thats exactly why. to save money. the knockoff wheels arent any weaker or lower quality than the originals. they might be a little heavier, but thats where the use of the wheels comes in.

and btw i wasnt trying to be a **** about your muffler tip, its just VERY unique lol...

[ash7]

^ now before you say that jesse... it is a proven FACT that forged metal is stronger than CAST (which is the biggest difference between the wheel makers)

Now one has to debate whether the trade off of wheel strength -vs- price is enough to jusify the cost and "reliability" of the cheaper wheel.

That's really the only argument here. And my answer to that is "in most cases, yes."

-jonathan

[chituntang]

The road where most Japanese cars drives on is way better than what we have here. And people over there do not mind spending more money on their car than ours if they do actually do spend money on their ride. So with better road and better wheels/tires, They are safe. You get a thin enough tire hitting a pot hole and it will damage your wheel.

[yudalicious]

with the sheer amount of work/weds/rays being used, i havent seen one picture, heard one horror story
your story doesnt work

Sheer amount? Funny, I've yet to see one Work/Weds/Rays wheel being used on track in person, maybe if I go to some drift events I'll see more of them lol?

Here ya go, quick google shows cracked gram lights, luckily he discovered the cracks before anything happened: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608379

It comes down to evaluating yourself if the tradeoff in quality (with how much "quality" you need and can use in mind) is worth the price break. From the sheer amount of rotas, team dynamics, and the likes being used all over the country, I think it's clear that wheels like these are a worthwhile alternative.

[YokotaS13]

The road where most Japanese cars drives on is way better than what we have here.

have you BEEEN to japan?
our roads ****ing suck

[YokotaS13]

Sheer amount? Funny, I've yet to see one Work/Weds/Rays wheel being used on track in person, maybe if I go to some drift events I'll see more of them lol?

Here ya go, quick google shows cracked gram lights, luckily he discovered the cracks before anything happened: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608379

It comes down to evaluating yourself if the tradeoff in quality (with how much "quality" you need and can use in mind) is worth the price break. From the sheer amount of rotas, team dynamics, and the likes being used all over the country, I think it's clear that wheels like these are a worthwhile alternative.
most of japan uses them all....even minivans

[Deke]

why?
no different than putting paint or aero thats worth waht your car is

its about pride in your vehicle.

Meh, I don't get that either. Different strokes for different folks. Personally I can still have pride in my vehicle without spending exorbitant (relatively) amounts of money on one component for it.

And I just think it's kind of a "Get off your high horse" situation when you're saying people are "degrading" their rides by putting on knock-off wheels. I can think of a lot of other things that are A LOT worse than a good looking set of wheels.

Eh whatever, I'm done with this thread. This is pretty much like debating religion, no one's mind is going to be changed :)

[Wurm]

Worthless thread

Its your car use whatever you want on it

[speedminded]

The debate comes down to cast vs. forged wheels. What do you think come on 99% of vehicles stock?

I've driven 30k+ miles on Rota Subzero's while working in Buckhead for over 2 years with no breaks. Of course i'm only running a 16" wheel but I cracked and warped the 17" Konig Traffiks that were originally on the car driving down there. Between unmarked road plates and pot holes it's nearly impossible to get larger wheels to last down here...even forged wheels get bent all the time.

[Da_unknown]

Worthless thread

Its your car use whatever you want on iti agree...

[Farrow2005]

I'm a college student, and I don't track my car. 2 perfectly good reasons why knockoffs will suit me just fine.

agree,
but id rather have both. the knock offs for when im on the street/doin the Daily Driving, and the ones id most likly have warped up in pampers to keep dust off them for shows, and what not.

[gtikid]

Do my "fake" wheels spin? Check.....
Do my "fake" wheels hold air? Check....
Do my "fake" wheels look good? Check....
Are my "fake" wheels round? Check.....

Why would I pay more to have a Mugen emblem engraved on my wheels? :screwy: