Skyline runs the Nurburgring.. in 7.38

[mocha latte cupcake]

http://www.dpccars.com/car-videos/10-26-07page-Nissan-GT-R-runs-the-Nurburgring.htm



6:55* - 178.699 km/h - Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05)
7:12* - 173.600 km/h - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:28 - 166.652 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7:32* - 164.071 km/h – Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.)
7:34 - 163.586 km/h - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05
7:36 - 162.631 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7.39* - 161.575 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:42* - 160.519 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h - Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05)
7:43 - 160.173 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)

THATS RIGHT F you 997 GT3 B!tch!

[JITB]

nice, bustin numbers already!!

[The BUCKY]

hells yea

[Elbow]

**** the Skyline I would take any cars on that list over it.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Zonda is king

[wantboost]

**** the Skyline I would take any cars on that list over it.
i am with you styling-wise but man it is faster than i thought it would be.

[1000cckiller]

**** the Skyline I would take any cars on that list over it.kill yourself fool.

[Ran]

**** the Skyline I would take any cars on that list over it.No offense, but sometimes being the anti-elitist is just as bad as being the elitist. I understand that the Skyline is definitely overhyped, but I don't under such a hatred for the car itself due to it's fanbase. If that's not your approach, then sorry for looking too deeply into your post.

Anyway, the numbers are impressive. Only 2 seconds behind the Carrera GT they were shooting for. I'm impressed. :goodjob:

I still prefer the R32 over all of them tho. :D

[Clegger]

damn! that list has all of the cars that are in my garage in Dubai

[VooDooXII]

Zonda is king

Yes...that's pretty much my favorite supercar.


**** the Skyline I would take any cars on that list over it.

Yes...I think the upcoming GT-R is overhyped, and horribly styled. I'd much rather have a Porsche GT3. Then again, price comes into consideration. I really don't like the way they've styled it though. The passenger cell with the tapering window looks awesome, but the front and rear ends...they could've done so much better. Looks alone are enough to ruin that car for me.


I still prefer the R32 over all of them tho. :D

Yes...that and the R33 are my favorite body styles. Simply stylish... :yes:

[Ran]

Yes...that and the R33 are my favorite body styles. Simply stylish... :yes:I like the R33's styling, but from most reviews it's the worst Skyline.

[VooDooXII]

I like the R33's styling, but from most reviews it's the worst Skyline.

Hmm...in what respect?

[Ran]

Hmm...in what respect?Mechanically from what I gather. It had ALOT of problems, especially with the electronics.

[spacelion]

I don't necessarily think the new one looks all that bad. Nissan
can't keep putting out cars that look like they came out of the
90s. I like the way the previous models look as well, but it's a
new age which means different looks. Personally, I think it's
pretty aggressive looking and I'm impressed as well with the
numbers it's already churning out at the tracks it visits.

Question though...since the new GT-R is over 280ps, does that
mean Japan has abolished the 280ps law/regulation for their
production cars?

[Elbow]

No offense, but sometimes being the anti-elitist is just as bad as being the elitist. I understand that the Skyline is definitely overhyped, but I don't under such a hatred for the car itself due to it's fanbase. If that's not your approach, then sorry for looking too deeply into your post.

Anyway, the numbers are impressive. Only 2 seconds behind the Carrera GT they were shooting for. I'm impressed. :goodjob:

I still prefer the R32 over all of them tho. :D

It's not I don t like Skylines, I LOVE R32's as well, like want to **** one in the exhaust, but the new one to ME just is not the good old hardcore styled Skyline that they used to be.

[JDMJAYDC2]

yeah i knew about this for a while the skyline is over hyped and i doubt the new one here in the states will do well just for the wow factor but the price tag is outrageous i wouldnt expect to see too many on the road but the r33 is still my fav body style

[man]

Not impressed at all. The price fits the performance, simple as that. At 80k for a Nissan it better be faster than a 100k Porsche, otherwise they wouldn't sell.

Anyone notice how the GTR has 60hp more than the GT3 but it's only 1sec faster...

Good try Nissan.

[spacelion]

Not impressed at all. The price fits the performance, simple as that. At 80k for a Nissan it better be faster than a 100k Porsche, otherwise they wouldn't sell.

Anyone notice how the GTR has 60hp more than the GT3 but it's only 1sec faster...

Good try Nissan.

One sec faster in 1/4mi? Power isn't the only thing that deters how quick a car is.

[THX712517]

I'd take a new GT-R any day of the week. It's an awesome car, and when it comes to all wheel drive turbo cars, the only thing cooler would be an R34, followed by an STi. Godzilla!

[JDMjoe]

No hondas...:cry:

[1000cckiller]

Not impressed at all. The price fits the performance, simple as that. At 80k for a Nissan it better be faster than a 100k Porsche, otherwise they wouldn't sell.

Anyone notice how the GTR has 60hp more than the GT3 but it's only 1sec faster...

Good try Nissan.how about check the weight of both and holla back.

[TIGERJC]

the skyline is a good bang for the buck, but I would still get a gt3 over it (if I only had the money :cry:)

[1000cckiller]

the skyline is a good bang for the buck, but I would still get a gt3 over it (if I only had the money :cry:)that means never

[TIGERJC]

that means never
stalking me again I see

Who knows what the future holds for me, if a retard can own a carwash then I think I will do just fine when I am done with college

[1000cckiller]

stalking me again I see

Who knows what the future holds for me, if a retard can own a carwash then I think I will do just fine when I am done with collegewell lets see tiger, you a one misconfused idiot. I own a carwash and now a car dealership. So when you mom lets you walk out the house without holding your hand, then you can speak like you have something smart to say. Until then fat dude STFU. Also I will be starting another business in a year and a half, so calling me a retard doesnt help your cause. Because me doing something with my life has proven I am smarter than you. You might want to drop the price on that mr2 so you can finally, buy a car that runs.

[1000cckiller]

stalking me again I see

Who knows what the future holds for me, if a retard can own a carwash then I think I will do just fine when I am done with collegealso you are the follower, as I believe I posted first.

[TIGERJC]

well lets see tiger, you a one misconfused idiot. I own a carwash and now a car dealership. So when you mom lets you walk out the house without holding your hand, then you can speak like you have something smart to say. Until then fat dude STFU. Also I will be starting another business in a year and a half, so calling me a retard doesnt help your cause. Because me doing something with my life has proven I am smarter than you. You might want to drop the price on that mr2 so you can finally, buy a car that runs.
Stop with the lame ass mommy jokes. I swear you have a fascination with me. I just came in here and made a post about a car. Jeez I wasnt looking into getting into it with you yet again.

Even retards can achieve things in life, have you not seen "radio", "I am SAM" and that tom cruise movie.

[1000cckiller]

Stop with the lame ass mommy jokes. I swear you have a fascination with me. I just came in here and made a post about a car. Jeez I wasnt looking into getting into it with you yet again.

Even retards can achieve things in life, have you not seen "radio", "I am SAM" and that tom cruise movie.one tiger only you watch gay ass movies like radio. no one else does, ya'll actually have the same IQ level. Dont post where you see me, because I hate you. I will bash you until death.

[The Ninja]

kill yourself fool.

BREAK YO'SELF FOO!

[1000cckiller]

BREAK YO'SELF FOO! :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[TIGERJC]

back to the topic:
I read somewhere a year after the skyline is release, the spec v version will be release. I believe it said it will be much lighter, have a better suspension and about 150 more horses than the current skyline. I cant wait to see that thing on the track, the spec v will probably make all car manufactures step up their game after that release

[mocha latte cupcake]

ahem.... correction in word usage.... V spec :D

[1000cckiller]

ahem.... correction in word usage.... V spec :D :rolleyes: and he's the college kid

[TIGERJC]

:rolleyes: and he's the college kid
school has nothing to do with me not knowing that. Get off of my nuts you ****ing fag

I am just not a Nissan guy, so sorry for not putting the "V" IN FRONT OF THE SPEC

[1000cckiller]

school has nothing to do with me not knowing that. Get off of my nuts you ****ing fag

I am just not a Nissan guy, so sorry for not putting the "V" IN FRONT OF THE SPECTiger your e-talk is weak. It s like George Bush actually telling the truth.

[The Ninja]

Tiger, you need to calm that **** down, homie.

[1000cckiller]

Tiger, you need to calm that **** down, homie.he gets mad because I am right, its all good. He is doing his e-thug rant now. I think it is real funny.

[man]

how about check the weight of both and holla back.

The GTR weighs more. How is that a good thing?

[OneSlow5pt0]

The GTR weighs more. How is that a good thing?

i bet the GTR is heavy as f.uck

then again its a tad faster than a over 4k pound automatic V8...that willi will still take in a race over the GTR

[1000cckiller]

The GTR weighs more. How is that a good thing?it weighs more but is faster, get my drift.

[Thighs]

all that about the skyline at the ring is old. and the only reason it beat the gt3 is b/c thats the time that the type 2 NUR or w/e version that is ran. the set that car up PERFECTLY for that track. the gt3 comes factory only 1 sec. slower on a ~12 mile track.

a skyline is just a hyped up tank with alot of power.

[R32Dragon]

Damn, knocked a bunch of Euro supercars off their high horse.

[1000cckiller]

all that about the skyline at the ring is old. and the only reason it beat the gt3 is b/c thats the time that the type 2 NUR or w/e version that is ran. the set that car up PERFECTLY for that track. the gt3 comes factory only 1 sec. slower on a ~12 mile track.

a skyline is just a hyped up tank with alot of power.STFU noob!

[The Ninja]

^^ x2

[Pavlo]

all that about the skyline at the ring is old. and the only reason it beat the gt3 is b/c thats the time that the type 2 NUR or w/e version that is ran. the set that car up PERFECTLY for that track. the gt3 comes factory only 1 sec. slower on a ~12 mile track.

a skyline is just a hyped up tank with alot of power.

Finally somebody said this. And all the people who said GT3 is ****, I hope you were joking. If you'd rather have a skyline then the Porsche, you've killed too many brain cells. Don't get me wrong, a skyline is an awesome car, and I do know it's got power and potential, but it's still only a Nissan. You can make it fast, or handle good, but it's never gonna have a character or that exquisite look you get in a European car.
A Porsche will always be a Porsche, a classic sports car that has a history. It's always gonna have character, looks, and prestige.

Sports cars are created in Europe, not on the straights of Kansas, or the roads of Osaka.

And now I bet a bunch of biased japanese-car owners are going to bash me, and say that the Skyline is the best thing human beings ever invented.
And before you say anything, or bash the European cars (which unfortunately what this thread came down to), look at this (now you don't have to wonder what Nissan engineers decided to make a copy of):
http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/25quattro/quattro.jpg

[Thighs]

^^x2. that car is one of the best cars ever made. i saw one a petit le mans and holy **** it was sexy.

thats the car that got group b rally banned from FIA rules.

[BTLFED]

^^x2. that car is one of the best cars ever made. i saw one a petit le mans and holy **** it was sexy.

thats the car that got group b rally banned from FIA rules.

Group B was not banned because of ****ing all wheel drive. :rolleyes:

ALL the cars in that category were too fast and unsafe.

[Thighs]

the audi was the fastest. by far.
and audi wasnt the only car to have awd... the rs200 had it too...

[Mr. Clean]

the skyline is a good bang for the buck, but I would still get a gt3 over it (if I only had the money :cry:)

hey man... where'd you get that avatar?

[BTLFED]

the audi was the fastest. by far.
and audi wasnt the only car to have awd... the rs200 had it too...

What is your ****ing point? THE CLASS WAS DEEMED UNSAFE. Not just a goddamned Audi. If it was JUST the Audi they would have put ****ing restrictions on THAT CAR. Do yourself a favor and just stop posting. You don't know ****. --------------------------->

[Thighs]

wow, way to get all bent out of shape over a forum... :rolleyes:

[BTLFED]

wow, way to get all bent out of shape over a forum... :rolleyes:

I'm not bent out of shape. You are an idiot.

[Thighs]

naa...

[chituntang]

Audi did not invent AWD. They just combined it with rally car and it was successful. What's wrong with Nissan combined AWD with their car? R32 GTR won 24 out of 24 races in group A races back in the days. As far as I can remember, Audi did not.

I agree with the point of owning a Porsche rather than a Nissan though.

[Tuan]

the new 2008 gt2 does it in 7.32

[DrivenMind]

My word that is a fast automobile. It's soooo much faster than I thought it would be...

Like most, I don't care for the styling, but I'd imagine Nissan will refine it with time. Nissan nailed the design on the 350z, and G35; don't know why it's so hard to do with the Skyline.

[OneSlow5pt0]

y dont they run the new models...like the Zonda S or the SLR 722

[Pavlo]

Audi was the first to put the all wheel drive in a light weight car, rather then having it in an SUV.

I am not bashing skyline, yes its nice, especially for the money; I do hate the fact that everybody started bashing the European cars, that why I even posted in here.

[VooDooXII]

y dont they run the new models...like the Zonda S or the SLR 722

You mean Zonda F?

[OneSlow5pt0]

You mean Zonda F?

sorry,ur right the F is the new one and the S was the first ones

[Elbow]

Finally somebody said this. And all the people who said GT3 is ****, I hope you were joking. If you'd rather have a skyline then the Porsche, you've killed too many brain cells. Don't get me wrong, a skyline is an awesome car, and I do know it's got power and potential, but it's still only a Nissan. You can make it fast, or handle good, but it's never gonna have a character or that exquisite look you get in a European car.
A Porsche will always be a Porsche, a classic sports car that has a history. It's always gonna have character, looks, and prestige.

Sports cars are created in Europe, not on the straights of Kansas, or the roads of Osaka.

And now I bet a bunch of biased japanese-car owners are going to bash me, and say that the Skyline is the best thing human beings ever invented.
And before you say anything, or bash the European cars (which unfortunately what this thread came down to), look at this (now you don't have to wonder what Nissan engineers decided to make a copy of):
http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/25quattro/quattro.jpg


:goodjob:

[Ran]

Finally somebody said this. And all the people who said GT3 is ****, I hope you were joking. If you'd rather have a skyline then the Porsche, you've killed too many brain cells. Don't get me wrong, a skyline is an awesome car, and I do know it's got power and potential, but it's still only a Nissan. You can make it fast, or handle good, but it's never gonna have a character or that exquisite look you get in a European car.
A Porsche will always be a Porsche, a classic sports car that has a history. It's always gonna have character, looks, and prestige.I'd rather take a GT-R than a Porsche. It's "only" a Nissan? Big f*cking deal. Get off the high horse and look at the car itself rather than the badge. You talk about character? Aside from a Carrera GT or Cayman, I've yet to see anything from Porsche since the 80's that's been even relatively exciting to me. It's more like they're rehashing the same old sh*t over and over again. It's boring and before you make any backlash, yes I have driven them. They're fun little sports cars, but they're definitely not the cars that they used to be. Want to sell me a European car? Give me a BMW anyday.

Then you talk about having history. I wasn't aware that the GT-R had no racing history. I'm assuming then that you don't want to talk about how it practically dominated the JGTC then? My apologies.


Sports cars are created in Europe, not on the straights of Kansas, or the roads of Osaka.Oh, the sad elitism is killing me. Your post may have actually had a small shred of merit had it not been for this arogant spatter you stained it with here.


And now I bet a bunch of biased japanese-car owners are going to bash me, and say that the Skyline is the best thing human beings ever invented.I'm not Japanese-biased by far, which is more than I can say for the elitism that you seem to be accustomed to. Is the Skyline the best car ever? Hell no, not by a long shot. Even still, the GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance and I expect to see even more examples of Asian engineering to follow behind it. If your Doc Martens are shaking because you're afraid of a little competition then you're about to be sent up sh*t creek without even a boat. Get off the elitism and realize that great sportscars come from all reaches of the world.

[JITB]

i remember a same thread sort of like this when the 350z first came out...lol

and the rx8... and everything else that gets remodeled...

noone can back up any claims for the gtr without facts.. only time will tell.

And group B cars..alwyas have a soft spot in my heart! *tear*

[1000cckiller]

I'd rather take a GT-R than a Porsche. It's "only" a Nissan? Big f*cking deal. Get off the high horse and look at the car itself rather than the badge. You talk about character? Aside from a Carrera GT or Cayman, I've yet to see anything from Porsche since the 80's that's been even relatively exciting to me. It's more like they're rehashing the same old sh*t over and over again. It's boring and before you make any backlash, yes I have driven them. They're fun little sports cars, but they're definitely not the cars that they used to be. Want to sell me a European car? Give me a BMW anyday.

Then you talk about having history. I wasn't aware that the GT-R had no racing history. I'm assuming then that you don't want to talk about how it practically dominated the JGTC then? My apologies.

Oh, the sad elitism is killing me. Your post may have actually had a small shred of merit had it not been for this arogant spatter you stained it with here.

I'm by far Japanse-biased, which is more than I can say for the elitism that you seem to be accustomed to. Is the Skyline the best car ever? Hell no, not by a long shot. Even still, the GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance and I expect to see even more examples of Asian engineering to follow behind it. If your Doc Martens are shaking because you're afraid of a little competition then you're about to be sent up sh*t creek without even a boat. Get off the elitism and realize that great sportscars come from all reaches of the world.getem Ran.lolx2

[Thighs]

well... the radical pwned everything.

/thread.

[Elbow]

well... the radical pwned everything.

/thread.

Smartest thing you have ever said. :goodjob: Radicals are fun fast cars....on a race track. Only Europe has street legal versions I believe

[Ran]

Smartest thing you have ever said. :goodjob: Radicals are fun fast cars....on a race track. Only Europe has street legal versions I believeGoofy looking cars, but I bet they're fun as hell.

[mocha latte cupcake]

thank you amy san for taking over the thread with your wisdom :D you've saved me from reading all the retard "porsche" are better posts :D

[Ran]

thank you amy san for taking over the thread with your wisdom :D you've saved me from reading all the retard "porsche" are better posts :DI'm not one to declare one maker superior to another. I just hate elitism, whether it be from GTR-fanboys or Eurofags.

[IronEagle]

Damn that's quick.

[dorin48]

Fast car and fast driver.

Ran, you said it best. I am starting to hate newer cars because of the electronics.(Porches, Nissans and anything else) I felt complete detached from my MS3. Was it quick? Hell yes. Was it fun? eh. I have a lot of respect for cars pre-00'. A time when the ecu didn't dictate the cars characteristics and make up for driver mistakes.

[mocha latte cupcake]

hooray!

and quiet amy san! you're on my side

[81911SC]

I would never EVER buy a Skyline over a 911.

[mocha latte cupcake]

someone is bias...



Skyline > 911.... nothing porsche makes catches my eye they all look the same... caymen and carrera GT are the only ones that look different to me...

[81911SC]

Not bias, just opinion. I would take a Boxster first.

[Ran]

Not bias, just opinion. I would take a Boxster first.I like your Porsche. I consider it a car that really shows what Porsche used to be. The new cookie-cutter cars they put out now? Not so much.

[mocha latte cupcake]

indeed... the 81911 is a sex machine.... the way a porsche should be... like back in the day !

[81911SC]

I like your Porsche. I consider it a car that really shows what Porsche used to be. The new cookie-cuter cars they put out now? Not so much.
O I totally agree. Porsche is just a status symbol now. Kp3power agrees also, he made my sig.:D

[OneSlow5pt0]

O I totally agree. Porsche is just a status symbol now. Kp3power agrees also, he made my sig.:D

i really dont like new porsches aside from the carrera(sp) GT

right now,i think Benz and Audi are the best german cars....well,imo..lol

but u dont have a attachment to new porsches as u do with the old ones,same goes for ferrari,lambo and jaguar

[81911SC]

i really dont like new porsches aside from the carrera(sp) GT

right now,i think Benz and Audi are the best german cars....well,imo..lol

but u dont have a attachment to new porsches as u do with the old ones,same goes for ferrari,lambo and jaguar
I don't think I could get attached to a car that broke down everytime you drove it, or cought fire.

[OneSlow5pt0]

I don't think I could get attached to a car that broke down everytime you drove it, or cought fire.

lol...u know what i ment

[Pavlo]

I'd rather take a GT-R than a Porsche. It's "only" a Nissan? Big f*cking deal. Get off the high horse and look at the car itself rather than the badge. You talk about character? Aside from a Carrera GT or Cayman, I've yet to see anything from Porsche since the 80's that's been even relatively exciting to me. It's more like they're rehashing the same old sh*t over and over again. It's boring and before you make any backlash, yes I have driven them. They're fun little sports cars, but they're definitely not the cars that they used to be. Want to sell me a European car? Give me a BMW anyday.

Any of the GT_ cars, and all of the RS versions are some of the best, and most beautiful cars ever made. Just because they keep making RR cars, doesnt mean that Porsche just redoes their old cars.
I do agree that the best ones were from the 80s, but even now take the 996 GT2, 3.6L twin turbo, rear engine, rear wheel drive car, with no abs or traction control bull*****. If thats not exciting, what is?


Then you talk about having history. I wasn't aware that the GT-R had no racing history. I'm assuming then that you don't want to talk about how it practically dominated the JGTC then? My apologies.

I talked about the history of the car maker as whole, read more carefully next time. Even then, Nissan won in one class, whith a car designed to win in that one and only class. Try LeMans, Porsches record in the 917 will never be beaten, ever. Or take rally, Porsche won countless times there as well, or GT.
So if you want to argue about who has more history you might want to hit up Porsche's web sites, and read the history section before you start listing all the Nissan wins.



Oh, the sad elitism is killing me. Your post may have actually had a small shred of merit had it not been for this arogant spatter you stained it with here.

The quote makes sense if you actually think about it, instead of telling me that it proves me being biased. Car manufacturers made cars around the world to compliment its surrounding people and roads. America got its Muscle cars, Europeans are known for their elegant sports cars, and Japanese for their small, nimble compacts. Over the years people just started competing with each other, making all kinds of cars.
Make a list of all the car manufacturers racing in the 1930s, now how many aren't European?


I'm not Japanese-biased by far, which is more than I can say for the elitism that you seem to be accustomed to. Is the Skyline the best car ever? Hell no, not by a long shot. Even still, the GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance and I expect to see even more examples of Asian engineering to follow behind it. If your Doc Martens are shaking because you're afraid of a little competition then you're about to be sent up sh*t creek without even a boat. Get off the elitism and realize that great sportscars come from all reaches of the world.

I am not biased either, my post started from people bashing Porsches, not from me bashing Skyline. You just f*cking attack me like I just took a mad dump on the Japanese car world. My post was made to show people who said **** about the Porsche, how its a crap car, so I defended it by stating my opinion. Whats wrong here?
And yes, GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance, did I ever say it wasn't? No, I said that even though its a bad-ass car, its still a Nissan. I do like it as a car. I like 3000gt vr4, the Supras, Skylines; But when it comes to Porsche vs all of those cars, I'd take the Porsche any day of the year.
Yes I like Porsches and European cars, but I am not biased regarding them. I've owned a Civic, DA Integra, B13 Sentra, E30 325 Bimmer, and now own a VW GTI; And don't mind owning another Japanese car. I am a car enthusiast, not a euro-car enthusiast, despite the fact that it might have seemed otherwise in my original post.
The only reason I posted here for was to defend the Euro cars, as everybody was saying "Yeah, shows that europeans aint ****." Judging from your post you'd probably be one of the people to say same exact thing.

I don't understand why am I even explaining myself to you, as you are the one who dissed Porsche in your post, and you are the one who defended the Skyline. I did the opposite, so now you are doing the same exact thing I did in my first post. We might agree eventually on certain things in the end of the argument, but neither you, nor me will say "Yeah you are right, and I am wrong," so I am not gonna keep arguing with you. I made my point, you made yours, I think we can close the debate now.

[81911SC]

Porsche has had over 28,000 racing victories. That is no where close to going anywhere but the top. I think once they switched to the 996 era it was going downhill for sure. The 996 GT2 named the "Widow maker" is named that for a reason. Look at the new 997 GT2, trust me, they still have some spirit.

[Thighs]

^^dont you mean gt3?

and if you say a gt3 rsr isnt spirited, you need to lay off the light bulb.

but still, radical FTW. whats better than a street legal LMP car? NOTHING!
and its european. not trying to say european cars are better or anything, just stating the fact. :goodjob:

[Thighs]

oh,and heres a link to a more updated list.
count the porsches that have faster times than the skyline. by no means is the skyline slow, but its not the fastest at all....

any car that can run faster than a 8 flat on the ring is BA in my opinion.

[Elbow]

Its not street legal here. (Radical)

And as far as Porsche not being so great anymore. The GT3 is a bad ass car, new Porsches look great I think as well, they have more of the earlier 90's body lines back. Minus the dull Boxster I think I would take any one of them over the Skyline. Personal preference.

[Thighs]

are you sure about the radical? i thought you COULD get them legal here, but it wasnt easy.

btw, were you at COC or the autocross last weekend? i didnt see you there.

[Elbow]

Well you can get anything legal if you WANT to.

There was a Camry Nascar at the autocross I was there Saturday no Coc on Sun for me.

[chituntang]

Sometimes it is not about how fast the car run. You will never, ever get the fastest car in the world anyways.

[Elbow]

Sometimes it is not about how fast the car run. You will never, ever get the fastest car in the world anyways.

Ok thanks, that was the fun fact of the night :rolleyes:

[81911SC]

^^dont you mean gt3?

and if you say a gt3 rsr isnt spirited, you need to lay off the light bulb.

but still, radical FTW. whats better than a street legal LMP car? NOTHING!
and its european. not trying to say european cars are better or anything, just stating the fact. :goodjob:
No, I'm right. Trust me. RSR isn't a production car BTW.

[Thighs]

^ i know but its still sick as ****.

and yeah simon i missed the nascar and stuff at the ax i couldnt make it. my friend matt told me it was funny as hell tho. u might know him... matt brueck? used to have a white miata
howd u do tho?

there was a drift event the same day as coc so it was fun to watch both.

[Elbow]

I dont personally know Matt but he raced the Red Bull Driver Search when I was a few years back I think.

I couldnt get better then a low 43. After looking at pics of my car I decided my springs are WAY too soft. The rest of my suspension is built, but I am getting coilovers and new sway bars before next season. I run DP so it is a fairly dead class but luckily a guy came Saturday and said he will be running next season.

[1000cckiller]

i really dont like new porsches aside from the carrera(sp) GT

right now,i think Benz and Audi are the best german cars....well,imo..lol

but u dont have a attachment to new porsches as u do with the old ones,same goes for ferrari,lambo and jaguarkill your self fool, Ferrari actually changes styles. That F-430 is nasty.

[Ran]

Any of the GT_ cars, and all of the RS versions are some of the best, and most beautiful cars ever made. Just because they keep making RR cars, doesnt mean that Porsche just redoes their old cars.
I do agree that the best ones were from the 80s, but even now take the 996 GT2, 3.6L twin turbo, rear engine, rear wheel drive car, with no abs or traction control bull*****. If thats not exciting, what is?I don't mind the GT2. I've never doubted Porsche's performance factors either. However, as far as fresh ideas go, the only things I've seen different from Porsche lately are the Cayenne and that new 4-door atrocity that I won't even bother to recall the name of. Both vehicles that are a big ball of failure in my eyes. That being said, I believe that Porsche should continue to make sportscars, but they need to get some fresh designs out. Not more cars that look like every other Porsche on the lot.


I talked about the history of the car maker as whole, read more carefully next time. Even then, Nissan won in one class, whith a car designed to win in that one and only class. Try LeMans, Porsches record in the 917 will never be beaten, ever. Or take rally, Porsche won countless times there as well, or GT.
So if you want to argue about who has more history you might want to hit up Porsche's web sites, and read the history section before you start listing all the Nissan wins.Who's arguing wins? I never discredited Porsche's racing history. You discredited Nissan's. Nissan fought hard in JGTC and then won overwhelmingly, but that's hardly the only spot they've been successful. Ever looked up the Nissan Rally Raid Team for the Dakar Rally? Even today, SOHC S13 240SX's do well in GT3 lightweight and the 350Z still competes strongly in the Grand Am series which is predominately ruled by Porsche.


The quote makes sense if you actually think about it, instead of telling me that it proves me being biased. Car manufacturers made cars around the world to compliment its surrounding people and roads. America got its Muscle cars, Europeans are known for their elegant sports cars, and Japanese for their small, nimble compacts. Over the years people just started competing with each other, making all kinds of cars.
Make a list of all the car manufacturers racing in the 1930s, now how many aren't European?Perhaps your meaning had merit, but your wording did not. I agree that cars are made for their environment, but for you to say that "real sports car only come from Europe" is like taking a dump and trying to serve it as filet mignon. The 1930's? American car makers were well into racing as Ford, Oldsmobile, and other continued to advance the market along site Citroen, Bugatti, and others. The Japanese car market hadn't even come into existance yet.


I am not biased either, my post started from people bashing Porsches, not from me bashing Skyline. You just f*cking attack me like I just took a mad dump on the Japanese car world. My post was made to show people who said **** about the Porsche, how its a crap car, so I defended it by stating my opinion. Whats wrong here?Defending something and retaliating are two completely different things. Instead of blurting out nonsense like "it's just a Nissan" or "real sports cars come from Europe, not on the straights of Kansas or the roads of Osaka" you simply could have defended your make by posting a comparison or stating Porsche's successful racing history like you did in comment to my post. I didn't attack you, I pointed out your overhyped and seemingly elitist post. As for the GT-R sackriders, the only post I saw that even remotely bashed the GT3 was from Pure JDM and the phrase was limited to "THATS RIGHT F you 997 GT3 B!tch!" as the first post. Aside from that, there was no post that I saw discrediting the Porsche. Therefore, that would make your over-zealous retaliation a little out of place. That's what is wrong here.


And yes, GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance, did I ever say it wasn't? No, I said that even though its a bad-ass car, its still a Nissan. I do like it as a car. I like 3000gt vr4, the Supras, Skylines; But when it comes to Porsche vs all of those cars, I'd take the Porsche any day of the year.
Yes I like Porsches and European cars, but I am not biased regarding them. I've owned a Civic, DA Integra, B13 Sentra, E30 325 Bimmer, and now own a VW GTI; And don't mind owning another Japanese car. I am a car enthusiast, not a euro-car enthusiast, despite the fact that it might have seemed otherwise in my original post.
The only reason I posted here for was to defend the Euro cars, as everybody was saying "Yeah, shows that europeans aint ****." Judging from your post you'd probably be one of the people to say same exact thing.Look at my other posts and you'll hardly see me saying that European's aren't sh*t. I'm not here to bash you for being a fan of European cars. I simply jumped in as your post was the first of it's kinda in this thread. The text that I bolded in your post defines why I counter your initial post. You may have had good intentions, but your initial post was a bit rash.


I don't understand why am I even explaining myself to you, as you are the one who dissed Porsche in your post, and you are the one who defended the Skyline. I did the opposite, so now you are doing the same exact thing I did in my first post. We might agree eventually on certain things in the end of the argument, but neither you, nor me will say "Yeah you are right, and I am wrong," so I am not gonna keep arguing with you. I made my point, you made yours, I think we can close the debate now.I would have hoped that your explaination would mean that you're understanding and would hope to find some common ground between us. The only bashing I did against Porsche was the fact that I find their vehicle line up boring in terms of originality. Which I still do and will stand by. As for finding out who is right or wrong, there's no need. In an argument over preference, there is no right or wrong. The only difference lies in how we portray them.

I hope that this post has provided some form of reasoning to our misunderstandings.

[man]

I don't mind the GT2. I've never doubted Porsche's performance factors either. However, as far as fresh ideas go, the only things I've seen different from Porsche lately are the Cayenne and that new 4-door atrocity that I won't even bother to recall the name of. Both vehicles that are a big ball of failure in my eyes. That being said, I believe that Porsche should continue to make sportscars, but they need to get some fresh designs out. Not more cars that look like every other Porsche on the lot.

You think that Porsche is unoriginal for keep the same basic design for pretty much their entire existence? I would say that makes it the most original car company out there. A car company so passionate about their heritage and a design so brilliant that the basic design is more aerodynamic and handles better than any fresh design in its league.

It's about history, not impressing fanboys.

[Hundo®]

looks like motor trend did it faster than nissan (7:35)

(more complete list)
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...10073&bottom=0

[man]

looks like motor trend did it faster than nissan (7:35)

(more complete list)
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...10073&bottom=0

Blank page.

[Ran]

You think that Porsche is unoriginal for keep the same basic design for pretty much their entire existence? I would say that makes it the most original car company out there. A car company so passionate about their heritage and a design so brilliant that the basic design is more aerodynamic and handles better than any fresh design in its league.Try to glorify it however you wish. I still see it as boring, repetitive, and uninspired.


looks like motor trend did it faster than nissan (7:35)

(more complete list)
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...10073&bottom=0Copy the entire URL man. The "..." doesn't quite cut it. lol

[man]

Try to glorify it however you wish. I still see it as boring, repetitive, and uninspired.

No glorification, just facts. Some people love it, some don't. Same for every other car ever made.

[allmotoronly]

Its funny that it could only beat the GT3 by one second... it has 65 more hp! The GT3 has 415, while the GT-R has 480.

official nissan spec page
http://www.gtrnissan.com/specs.en.us.html

[Ran]

Its funny that it could only beat the GT3 by one second... it has 65 more hp! The GT3 has 415, while the GT-R has 480.

official nissan spec page
http://www.gtrnissan.com/specs.en.us.htmlRepost. They discussed this on the first two pages. Yes, it has more power, but it's also a tank. Check the weight. Considering the balance of the two, it's a respectable time.

[sebastianHoff]

oh dear... i've managed to stay off these boards for quite some time, but i feel compelled to weigh in now. usually i come out waving the porsche flag, but i cant do that here. i've got a gen-F rs and there is something about that car that forces you to try and save it knowing full well that were it anything else, skyline included, you would cut for parts. it was a rusting hulk sitting out behind a shop, but you knew it was special just looking at it, you could feel it.
when the r32 gtr came out it did beat the old 911 round the ring, but then the next 911 came out and it took the record back. the r33 gtr came out and beat that 911, then the new 911 came out and it was back on top again. things went on like this. nissan always tried to beat the previous model and never really looked ahead to what was next, but thats not whats really important. if you've ever driven a gtr, or any japanese car, you know there are lots of computers doing all kinds of work to fix/tweek things so they are just right. nissan used technology to hurl an overweight, underpowered, unbalanced car quickly round a track. porsche used engineering, physics, and a ballsy german dude to make the 911 fast. thats why its useless to defend the new 911 when comparing it to the new gtr, porsche has started using computers to make the 911 fast when, if it were truely a 911, they should have redesigned the car and made it faster.