H22 or B20?

[SL65AMG]

what would be the best motor N/a? all using relatively the same parts

11.5:1 C/r pistons
sleeved block
fully built head

same **** in both pretty much, which would build more power?

im guessing the h22

[SL65AMG]

2 votes and no one cares to explain their reasoning?

[fucksohc]

H22>B20...

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Depends on what car you're putting it in, and since B20 is an option with H22, im guessing this is going in a 3rd gen prelude. Im also guessing that you're talking about a B20A(5) from said prelude. And if this is going into a 3rd gen, My experience has told me to go with the B20. The H22 doesnt fit as well and takes a lot of fabrication to do so. Both motors have FRM (fiber reinforced metal) sleeves, so unless you're gonna be boosting said car, you dont need sleeves (as long as you plan on keeping up with oil changes) A friend of mine with a slightly modded 3rd gen SI 4WS used to walk 4th and 5th gens all day. talk to OaTmeaL on here, i'll say he might be the prelude guru on this site

[SL65AMG]

h22 is vtec right? some are some arent?

[SL65AMG]

Depends on what car you're putting it in, and since B20 is an option with H22, im guessing this is going in a 3rd gen prelude. Im also guessing that you're talking about a B20A(5) from said prelude. And if this is going into a 3rd gen, My experience has told me to go with the B20. The H22 doesnt fit as well and takes a lot of fabrication to do so. Both motors have FRM (fiber reinforced metal) sleeves, so unless you're gonna be boosting said car, you dont need sleeves (as long as you plan on keeping up with oil changes) A friend of mine with a slightly modded 3rd gen SI 4WS used to walk 4th and 5th gens all day. talk to OaTmeaL on here, i'll say he might be the prelude guru on this site

CRX, swap, race car :goodjob:

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All H22's are VTEC, H23's are non vtec

[xlilvi3tx]

imo b20 vtec would make more power but it just the fact that it isnt as reliable as just doin a straight swap with a h22 since u throwin a vtec head on a block from a suv

[-S Double C-]

^^^^^haha...the h22 would make more or just as much torque then the b20 vtec would horsepower...Go with the h22 you wont be disappointed!

[-S Double C-]

also dont waste your money on sleeves for the h22 if your staying N/A. Get some eagle rods,type s pistons and a nice set of cams and some bolts ons and go make 230whp or more. Also go H2B and run 11's.

[xlilvi3tx]

i was plannin to go b20vtec a while back but i decided to go h22 real soon a couple of my friend ran b20vtec n they always be having problems with it

[-S Double C-]

yeah most every b20/vtec setup i seen has problems

[bigdare23]

A real motor is "better" than a hybrid motor!

[khailon]

h22 ftw

[southside]

its gone be pretty hard dropping a h22 in a crx dont you have to use hood props so you can clear the valve cover and you have to modify the fire wall and cut the subframe i believe but it would be scary fast if the h22 is rebuilt with otha lil things like pistons and stuff

[ash7]

A real motor is "better" than a hybrid motor!

*sigh* you just lost brownie points

hybrid motors ftmfw :goodjob:

...if this H22 engine is going into a race car... what type of racing are you doing? I hope it's the drag strip and not HPDE, understeer = the suck.

-jonathan

[southside]

oh and dont forget the hydro tranny conversion kit cuz i dont think they have h series cable trannys

[ash7]

cable shifting, hydro clutch

-jonathan

[white_rice]

although i got a b20 h22 is better =[

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so were talking about a crv B20

[Papa_Smurf]

cable shifting, hydro clutch

-jonathan

how did i know you were gonna be in this thread?

lol

[ash7]

lol, what can i say?

guilty as charged
-jonathan

[Crazy Asian]

if you can save your money and splurge your money on a K20. Much better faster and what not. But if you want to do it right now H22. More available parts and options. And faster too.

[Thundercat]

b20 FTW .....all motor monster...and u have a perfect rod/stroke ratio

[SL65AMG]

if you can save your money and splurge your money on a K20. Much better faster and what not. But if you want to do it right now H22. More available parts and options. And faster too.

what kind of power can you get out of a built k series? and how much does it weigh..... if you get more power for less weight its a good deal i guess. but if you get more power and 100 extra lbs of motor its just not worth it

[Papa_Smurf]

lol, what can i say?

guilty as charged
-jonathan

I say H22 just to spite you!

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[Crazy Asian]

Im not sure the power but I do know it's on tall as engine in the CRX so your gonna have to cut the hood or buy a SiR hood. But it's fast I dont remember where I Seen it but i took like 3rd in a Time Attack.

[-S Double C-]

lol, what can i say?

guilty as charged
-jonathan

John GTFO you know nothing!!! HAHa J/K :tongue: :iaowns:


:lmfao:

[GermanMuscle]

B20: can make decent power with a vtec head. but you have better tranny options

H22: great power only, but the trans isnt the greatest.

Solution: H2B FTW!!!!!!!

[b17a1db2]

b20 FTW .....all motor monster...and u have a perfect rod/stroke ratio

nope, not a perfect rod/stoke ratio.. the b16 is the closest to that...

[JDMjoe]

B18c b/c high reving not so much a torque monster though as a h22. I believe the b18 is a couple 100 pounds lighter too. H22 are for the drag strip.

[SL65AMG]

B18c b/c high reving not so much a torque monster though as a h22. I believe the b18 is a couple 100 pounds lighter too. H22 are for the drag strip.

thats what the car is for.... 90% of the time..... i may take it out on weekends

[bigdare23]

*sigh* you just lost brownie points

hybrid motors ftmfw :goodjob:

...if this H22 engine is going into a race car... what type of racing are you doing? I hope it's the drag strip and not HPDE, understeer = the suck.

-jonathan


I love the frankie, but I would rather have a real motor that a motor with parts that doesn't belong together.

Sean if this is for you rex a b20 is better because of the amount of work you have to do to get it to work.

[SL65AMG]

I love the frankie, but I would rather have a real motor that a motor with parts that doesn't belong together.

Sean if this is for you rex a b20 is better because of the amount of work you have to do to get it to work.

naw not for my rex. i have thought about it though but if i wanna put a motor in my rex itll be a b20

this is for the track car. i think its gonna be an EK hatch

[allmotoronly]

F20B!!! It is virtually the same engine as the jdm H22A type S with steel sleeves, slightly smaller pistons and a shorter stroke. Short stroke=high RPM's. The stroke is 88mm, which is shorter than the B20 as well. It is almost as short as the B18C5, which is 87.2. I say get a F20B, get it sleeved if you want, and use 87mm H22A sized pistons instead of the stock size 85mm, and you will have an engine that has a higher displacement than the B20 (should be about 2050cc's, or roughly 2.1L), but a shorter stroke. It should have no problem turning 9k+ RPM.

[v8killacivic]

h22 all the way...

[turboSOHC]

imma have to say h22A.....
i say that because a relative of mines have one in a 93cx HATCHBACK bone stock and he raced 2 K-serie's swap and took both of them out like nothing!!!! "not to be braggin" but then from my experience at first hand......
one was and 95 DC teg wid k20 rsx swap and the other was an EP3 wid a jdm k20a swap.....
so i would say H22A

[TicketRedBB6]

If it's strictly for the track i'd say h22. It already has more hp, and there are plenty of parts to add on more.

[allmotoronly]

F20B!!! It is virtually the same engine as the jdm H22A type S with steel sleeves, slightly smaller pistons and a shorter stroke. Short stroke=high RPM's. The stroke is 88mm, which is shorter than the B20 as well. It is almost as short as the B18C5, which is 87.2. I say get a F20B, get it sleeved if you want, and use 87mm H22A sized pistons instead of the stock size 85mm, and you will have an engine that has a higher displacement than the B20 (should be about 2050cc's, or roughly 2.1L), but a shorter stroke. It should have no problem turning 9k+ RPM.

I guess nobody read this....

[chituntang]

H22A is still the most powerful Honda 4 banger, not matter from stock, mild to extreme mods. Torque just makes the different. And I do not think 100lbs extra weight will make a CRX "fat."

[VTECxRoCKz]

B18c b/c high reving not so much a torque monster though as a h22. I believe the b18 is a couple 100 pounds lighter too. H22 are for the drag strip.

h22 swap is only 35lbs heavier then b
weight comparison (http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550)
couple 100 lbs lol funny guy

[allmotoronly]

H22A is still the most powerful Honda 4 banger, not matter from stock, mild to extreme mods. Torque just makes the different. And I do not think 100lbs extra weight will make a CRX "fat."

how do you figure that it is the most powerful. In jdm type S form, it has 217hp, which is 3 less than the jdm K20A type R, and 23 less than the F20C S2000 engine. It makes good power, but I have built a jdm H22A type S, and it was a good engine, but not worth the hype that so many people give it. The all powerful "h22"....

A built K24A2 will make a hell of a lot more N/A power than a H22A. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Ive seen a built street driven N/A K24A2 with close to 290whp, but the most powerful N/A street driven H22A I've seen had somewhere close to 250whp

[chituntang]

I do not want to get into the mods part of the build because results would be so different. If you make a B series rev up to 12k rpm, you would make a lot of hp too. Remember, hp is not a measurement, it is a calculation from torque. But yes, I totally forget about the K-series engine.

This is like getting back to some of the post here. Stop talking about things after mods.

[allmotoronly]

I do not want to get into the mods part of the build because results would be so different. If you make a B series rev up to 12k rpm, you would make a lot of hp too. Remember, hp is not a measurement, it is a calculation from torque. But yes, I totally forget about the K-series engine.

This is like getting back to some of the post here. Stop talking about things after mods.


:thinking: well his question was about which engine would be the best starting point to build..... The point of this thread was to "talk about things after mods"

[b16ftw]

h22 all the way!

[hondaxpurt]

gonna get more tq out of the h22:goodjob:

[HatchHero]

also dont waste your money on sleeves for the h22 if your staying N/A. Get some eagle rods,type s pistons and a nice set of cams and some bolts ons and go make 230whp or more. Also go H2B and run 11's.


i like this guy

[C-10 Jett]

built K24 with a k20head!!!

[HatchHero]

H all the way

[allmotoronly]

also dont waste your money on sleeves for the h22 if your staying N/A. Get some eagle rods,type s pistons and a nice set of cams and some bolts ons and go make 230whp or more. Also go H2B and run 11's.

good luck getting 230+whp with that setup, unless you are using some ungodly cams. I had a setup similar to this (Type S swap, JUN cams, mugen header, euro R intake, chipped ecu, etc.) and I made about 220whp or so. To get over 230whp, you will need even higher C/R pistons, hotter cams, and maybe ITB's.

[HatchHero]

good luck getting 230+whp with that setup, unless you are using some ungodly cams. I had a setup similar to this (Type S swap, JUN cams, mugen header, euro R intake, chipped ecu, etc.) and I made about 220whp or so. To get over 230whp, you will need even higher C/R pistons, hotter cams, and maybe ITB's.


true!! but it can be done!!

[-S Double C-]

good luck getting 230+whp with that setup, unless you are using some ungodly cams. I had a setup similar to this (Type S swap, JUN cams, mugen header, euro R intake, chipped ecu, etc.) and I made about 220whp or so. To get over 230whp, you will need even higher C/R pistons, hotter cams, and maybe ITB's.

exactly a mugen header that was a WASTE OF YOUR MONEY! And JUN cams that was a waste of money. You could have upgraded to a camp1320 or RMF alone and gained 10-15+whp more. Dont tell me it cant be done im the king of h22's. I was the first and only one in georgia to do a h22 H2B setup and there was only 3 people in the south who had the swap including me. Do i need to pull up a post where a guy made 250+ on BLOX stage 2 cams in a STOCK untouched head? and a FULL OEM bottom end? :D And it's still running now strong as the day it was crunk up.

[-S Double C-]

i like this guy

YAY I GOT A FAN!...lol :bannana:

[Fox351]

I would have to say h22 b/c of the old saying: No Replacement for Displacement

[-S Double C-]

^^Fasho!

[LongLiveH2b]

the H is lil bit more torqy u can probably squezz more HP outta the B20
and depends on which tranny your gonna use as well

[khailon]

h22 torque is fun

[big mac]

h22=mad torque yo ftw!:bump:

[bowdown201]

im a b20/vtec guy all the way but i would rather do the H swap w/ H2B and have a more reliable motor...the frankenstein does a little wear and tear ont the b20

[SL65AMG]

so everyone seems to be leaning towards the h22. what about a fully built (block& head) b20 vs the same work done to a h22. (b20 bored out to a 2.1L...... H22, stock bore)

[RBS]

h22 you silly goose :rolleyes:

[Crazy Asian]

h22. Seriously think about it H22 more hp...better made. So stick with a H22. And part are NOT as ready for B20. Youd have to make some custom parts which is gonna be more expensive.

[SL65AMG]

h22. Seriously think about it H22 more hp...better made. So stick with a H22. And part are NOT as ready for B20. Youd have to make some custom parts which is gonna be more expensive.



:rly: people make and swap b20 vtec's all the time? what custom parts???

[Crazy Asian]

cams, ITB if you want, pistons. Youd have to use hybrid of a CTR for pistons if you want or was it the cams. Trust with the money and headache spent on a B20 youd be better off using the H22.

[Crazy Asian]

Remember this the engine is a B20A5, dont get it confused for B20B that's a CR-V engine and it's spec'd different.

[SL65AMG]

cams, ITB if you want, pistons. Youd have to use hybrid of a CTR for pistons if you want or was it the cams. Trust with the money and headache spent on a B20 youd be better off using the H22.

CTR pistons ....b20?? :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

[Crazy Asian]

My bad CTR cams and Z pistons. Ya or something. Ive never researched b20.

[dwnsthGABOY]

It makes good power, but I have built a jdm H22A type S, and it was a good engine, but not worth the hype that so many people give it. The all powerful "h22"....


Reading from your previous posts it would seem like you didn't get the power gains you wanted because you bought a lot of "big name" mods that didn't really live up to their reputations, ie...mugen, jun. Its very much possible to make more power with your h22a, you just have to know which mods to make. I forget how long ago, but their was a thread about a guy who made 190hp on h22a and the only mod was a dc sport header with 2.5in collector. Thats pretty good seeing as how stock h22's lay down 170-180hp and considering that there are much better headers out like RMF, Hytech, SMSP, etc... The h22a is great motor to have in a hatch. You just can't beat the low end grunt given by the h22. And nowadays you got the h2b kit which makes swapping an h22a in a hatch much easier and cheaper than it was a couple of yrs ago.


A built K24A2 will make a hell of a lot more N/A power than a H22A. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Ive seen a built street driven N/A K24A2 with close to 290whp, but the most powerful N/A street driven H22A I've seen had somewhere close to 250whp

The cost of the k series swap is what makes it unattractive. This motor is going into an EK hatch. K-swaps for this chassis range anywhere from 7.5k to 10k+. An h22a swap w/h2b would be less than 5.5 grand including labor. You could pay 10k or 5.5k for one of two setups that would yield comprable performance. This is of course if the engines were stock of course.
now if you wanna talk about mods, then the k-series is superior. The k20 responds to simple bolt-ons(I,H,E) remarkably well. On honda-tech.com there are plenty of guys running k20's w/I/H/E and breaking 200hp! The motor is amazing, it's possible to see 230hp w/out even going into the engine. The only catch is that this **** is expensive as hell. But like I said, the k-swaps are just too exspensive to be practical. If you have a safe full of money, go k-series. If you want the most grunt/bang for your buck, go h22, you won't be dissapointed.

[jap_racer1]

i say other!! you can get a gsr motor cheaper than a h22 usually or sometimes you can come upon a type r for a good deal!! but i would say a B series vtec motor because not as much fabrication to install usually bolts right in!! and the B20 ls vtec is not reliable so dont try i have been through 2 and they break down alot!!!

[§treet_§peed]

b20 FTW!!!!

[WHT_EP3]

if done right go for the B20 vtec. my buddy has his B20 done right and there is no problems what so ever he has pretty good name brands in his block like pistons cams springs and etc. it did not cost him over 5k i gurantee it and only thing that i can say k swaps dont stick to it
but is your choice ill go B20 its lighter than H22 and it can make more hp

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

alright to knock the k series out of the question it is 4-6 grand just for the swap alone. with the money spent on that you can
buy h22, tranny, ecu, mounts, and axles from hmotors for 2649.00:goodjob:
euro r intake manni-349.00 at the most dyno proven 7-10 whp with install:goodjob:
brian crower stage 2 cams, valve springs, retainers, and valves- 1095.00:goodjob:
mahle pistons which work with the frm sleves(apparently porsche runs frm sleeves with a mahle forged piston google it and a article will pop up)-563.15found them cheaper can't remember where thou:goodjob:
eagle rods- 375.00 same as the pistons seen them cheaper :goodjob:
motor that is fully built 5031.15
then you get into the header rmf is the way to go but runs upward of 800:goodjob:
intake which i recomend a aem short ram with a bpi flowstack :goodjob:
then to get it properly tun so you can release the beast within i would run hondata s200 imo but there is also uberdata and chrome.
hmotors price on k20
type r 5499.00 stock motor
k20a2 4000.00 stock motor
well that is my :2cents: and my motor build so every one can see so let me stop :blah:

[takume]

I drive a prelude before, and can vote for h22 for sure.

[Axix23]

k20

[superman]

k24 bottom type S head

[tippatone]

I chose B20vtec for the simple fact with the right bolt-ons and mods/tuning you can get 200+ whp and with the h, you gotta get the complete swap, i got a B20B in my teg right now, and all i have to do is tap the block for vtec/oil , chip the ecu, and get a vtec head

[dz988]

but can an h22 beat a k20 swaped ive seen b20 vtec beat k20s

[AnthonyF]

Aston Martin DB9 engine....

[AnthonyF]

but can an h22 beat a k20 swaped ive seen b20 vtec beat k20s

Goingfasterthanu has an H22 running 13.0 on street tires. you can pm him and ask him. his motor is stock too.

[Nang]

stock for stock
h22 > b20vtec

mod for mod
h22 > b20vtec