WTF 300ZX sr20?

[DUBSf22c]

ok i want someone who owns a 300zx to en-lighten me on WHY :???::thinking::???::thinking:
( here it is on ebay) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NISSAN-300-Z-SR20DET-410-HP-needs-Engine-Work_W0QQitemZ130160072055QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6398Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

i dont know where reps go on this!?!

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[Dracc]

i guess cause he could.. i dont know

[DUBSf22c]

i guess cause he could.. i dont know

well other then the obvious :crazy:

[Kevykev]

Kinda Honda Accord with a D16 as far as "stock for stock goes"

[GTScoob]

Probably started out its life as a non turbo car. VG30DE is also a very heavy motor, you could probably drop 200lbs off the front of the car with an SR20 and have very similar performance to a stockish VG30DETT.

[DUBSf22c]

Probably started out its life as a non turbo car. VG30DE is also a very heavy motor, you could probably drop 200lbs off the front of the car with an SR20 and have very similar performance to a stockish VG30DETT.

thats about the only thing I could come up with.. but those two engines in the grand scheme dont really compare to me.. Not even the same amount of cylinders. I wouldnt question sooo much an RB... get my thinking

[koukis14]

He is claiming over 400 whp, that double stock for a non turbo z and it probably lost a couple hundred pounds. The drift 350zs almost all have sr swaps.

[Dirty Octopus™]

yous guys probably havent heard about the Motorex SR20 powered 350z :dunno:

http://www.modified.com/sportculture/feature_nov01.html


He is claiming over 400 whp, that double stock for a non turbo z and it probably lost a couple hundred pounds. The drift 350zs almost all have sr swaps.
yeah.. trashing the VQ saves you 2-300lbs.

[Da_unknown]

He is claiming over 400 whp, that double stock for a non turbo z and it probably lost a couple hundred pounds. The drift 350zs almost all have sr swaps.this is true...

[nreggie454]

Also, of the few guys I know who have modded VG30DETTs, none have them running.

[Dracc]

this is true...


it is.. my thing is with ole boy who posted this.. why did you? you was about to bash this thing.. dont get me wrong.. the chets ugly as all get out with the side exit exhaust and chet.. but hey... just like we have a 2jz yaris, and a v8 focus.. ppl do what the hell they want...

[Fr33way]

yous guys probably havent heard about the Motorex SR20 powered 350z :dunno:

http://www.modified.com/sportculture/feature_nov01.html


yeah.. trashing the VQ saves you 2-300lbs.



The VQ30/KA24/VQ35 all weigh about the same at 330lbs.

The VG30 is around 450lbs and the VG30DETT is probably a bit more. It's hard to find exact weights (many are listed bare block/accessories/don't say).

[Dirty Octopus™]

The VQ30/KA24/VQ35 all weigh about the same at 330lbs.

The VG30 is around 450lbs and the VG30DETT is probably a bit more. It's hard to find exact weights (many are listed bare block/accessories/don't say).
sweeet! good to know :goodjob:
im not a Nissan man so whatever i learn is good to know :D

[Da_unknown]

it is.. my thing is with ole boy who posted this.. why did you? you was about to bash this thing.. dont get me wrong.. the chets ugly as all get out with the side exit exhaust and chet.. but hey... just like we have a 2jz yaris, and a v8 focus.. ppl do what the hell they want...how u figure i was about to bash this post, i have seen the 350zs with this swap, hell last week i saw a r32 with a sr20 in it.... stick to what u know...and the sh*t is ugly i wouldnt drive it personally....

[koukis14]

how u figure i was about to bash this post, i have seen the 350zs with this swap, hell last week i saw a r32 with a sr20 in it.... stick to what u know...and the sh*t is ugly i wouldnt drive it personally....


I am still wondering how you knew what the hell he was talking about.

[Fr33way]

sweeet! good to know :goodjob:
im not a Nissan man so whatever i learn is good to know :D

Word, wish I had some hardfast numbers for you on the VG30.

[Kevykev]

yous guys probably havent heard about the Motorex SR20 powered 350z :dunno:

http://www.modified.com/sportculture/feature_nov01.html


yeah.. trashing the VQ saves you 2-300lbs.


damn, that would definitely be beneficial :goodjob:

[Da_unknown]

I am still wondering how you knew what the hell he was talking about.to be honest i had 2 read it a few times myself before i posted...hell da youngsta had issues with me, but y he talks like that beats da hell outta me...

[BKgen®]

those eyelines make it look like my f*ckin dog :lmfao:

[DUBSf22c]

no i was really confused not really dissing just like WTF M8 BBQSAUCE

[Dracc]

how u figure i was about to bash this post, i have seen the 350zs with this swap, hell last week i saw a r32 with a sr20 in it.... stick to what u know...and the sh*t is ugly i wouldnt drive it personally....


bruh.. i agreed with you in the 1st two words of my post.. the rest was directed at the original poster.. not you cuz

[Dracc]

to be honest i had 2 read it a few times myself before i posted...hell da youngsta had issues with me, but y he talks like that beats da hell outta me...


why i gotta be all that.. aint no beff with you cuz.. dat chet been dead

[DUBSf22c]

And tell me if Imm wrong nissan guys cant those 300zx motors handle a whole LOT more then an sr20 could ever

[koukis14]

And tell me if Imm wrong nissan guys cant those 300zx motors handle a whole LOT more then an sr20 could ever

There is no replacement for displacement. They can't handle more but with the same mods they will put out higher numbers.

[coolcat]

Well, that's gay as hell.

[0DISPLACMENT]

i personally think he did TOO much exterior and didnt build the motor right... and the interior is effed... and im really not fealing the duels with an sr.....

-darrin

[Thighs]

why i gotta be all that.. aint no beff with you cuz.. dat chet been dead

speak english please.

[Elbow]

thats a UGLY car....:(

[Da_unknown]

bruh.. i agreed with you in the 1st two words of my post.. the rest was directed at the original poster.. not you cuzjust checking wasnt really sure who u were talking too..

[Dracc]

just checking wasnt really sure who u were talking too..

naw cuz we cool... its all good in da hood as we say

[Dracc]

speak english please.

learn nigha, i am speaking "engrish"

[Glides]

Lets see, the obvious that jumps out at me are:

1 Cheap ass parts.
2 Incredible aftermarket for the SR motor
3 Cheap motor set to do the swap with
4 Huge sprung weight savings over teh VQ
5 You ever tried to work on a VQ in the car? Nightmare.

Other than those, blaringly obvious things. I would do an SR swap anyday over a VQ or VQTT motor. Much more reliable, light, cheap and a cool swap too.

[FoolsDrifFWD]

Lets see, the obvious that jumps out at me are:

1 Cheap ass parts.
2 Incredible aftermarket for the SR motor
3 Cheap motor set to do the swap with
4 Huge sprung weight savings over teh VQ
5 You ever tried to work on a VQ in the car? Nightmare.

Other than those, blaringly obvious things. I would do an SR swap anyday over a VQ or VQTT motor. Much more reliable, light, cheap and a cool swap too.

OMG IT IS. Oh ya 300zx's use VG30's

[thursdaybuff]

^^ yeah that's all that swap is.. cheap. the car was made to have a bigger motor so it can afford to push the weight of the car and still make some power. if i wanted to drive an sr-powered car, i would buy a 240. i will agree that the vg is very complicated and a pain in the ass but most people who buy a z32 to mod should already know what they're getting in to and do it anyway just like anyone else who gets a specific car they like to mod.

[DUBSf22c]

my engine bay isnt the easiest but I totally agree with all that. VQ can fack jooo

[300zx]

Could be following a 300ZX drifter in japan who has a sr20 swap...Less weight on the front, better chance of successful drift...But the guy in this video with his 300ZX sr swap didn't do to good...must be driver errors... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44DEsy19EH0 Other than that...I think it's clean swap...Bravo

[300zx]

Whoever found the car off ebay should message him and ask why?:???:

[Doppelgänger]

minus the ****ty wheels and the fake side exhaust the car might be a hella beast....i'd drive it.

[OneSlow5pt0]

He is claiming over 400 whp, that double stock for a non turbo z and it probably lost a couple hundred pounds. The drift 350zs almost all have sr swaps.

how bout that blue 350z with the 20b swap:yes: .....suckas fast as ****

[R3RUN]

but hey... just like we have a 2jz yaris, and a v8 focus.. ppl do what the hell they want...
Im pretty sure the whole 2jz yaris thing is a joke man.

[speedminded]

The SR20 is soooo much more simple to work on, parts are cheaper, and there is a significant weight savings. A stock SR20 puts out nearly the same power as a VG30DE (NA Z32) and can easily be modded to exceed the power of the VG30DETT (TT Z32).

I wouldn't say crap about the SR20 swap unless you've personally torn down a VG.

I want to put a LS2/LS6 in a Slicktop Z32. I've seen two LT1's and one LS1 but nobody had put a LS2 or LS6 that i'm aware of. Now the question is will Yutaka Katayama (Mr. K) want to kill me? :dunno: :tongue:

[speedminded]

how u figure i was about to bash this post, i have seen the 350zs with this swap, hell last week i saw a r32 with a sr20 in it.... stick to what u know...and the sh*t is ugly i wouldnt drive it personally....SR20 with a Z32 transmission :goodjob:

http://www.paragondigitalart.com/images/tigerracing/sammy_r32_700x438.jpg

[santacruz77]

epic fail

[white_rice]

lol like that one jeep with a supra engine at nopi ...doing the burouts...lol

[white_rice]

oo what kid of paint is that anyone know...?

[.blank cd]

This dude spent all this money on the motor and exterior stuff, and the interior looks like ****!!! that would be one of the first places i would spend money at. As for this VG engine. It will handle alot more horses stock for stock than the SR. a VG30DETT with a good tune can handle up to 700hp on stock internals. Z1 Motorsports in Carrollton built one with almost 1200 hp.

[admedlin]

oh snap he went with the quad exhaust setup, he's the man!! you know all that powa needs to go out the sides and the back, not just a single exhaust like everyone else

[SicStang03]

I just put in a bid.... that thing is HAWT

[chituntang]

Just wanted to say not everybody in the world is looking at getting all the hp there is. Some just trying to prove they can. Yes, the VG30DETT is a great motor, but not a lot of aftermarket parts compare to SR. And as tuners know, there is not a lot of room for a Z32 so upgrade is harder. SR in Z cars is just a great idea to make a race car as Supra use 3SGTE engines for GT500 in Japan.

[chituntang]

This dude spent all this money on the motor and exterior stuff, and the interior looks like ****!!! that would be one of the first places i would spend money at. As for this VG engine. It will handle alot more horses stock for stock than the SR. a VG30DETT with a good tune can handle up to 700hp on stock internals. Z1 Motorsports in Carrollton built one with almost 1200 hp.

Guess what? A stock can handle 400 with stock internals. just think about which one take more efford.

[SpecV_Scott]

So what if a VG can ultimately handle more power? Sure there are plenty of people out there driving 700hp cars, but in reality, a solid 300-400hp is the most the average tuner will ever see.

I have a Z32 sitting in my garage right now. Every time I look in that engine bay, I think about how better the car would be with an SR under the hood. I've done a lot of work with SRs, and I've found them to be ridiculously reliable, not to mention easy to work on. The amount of room the SR would free up in that engine bay would be worth the swap costs by itself...not to mention the weight savings.

That car is hideous though. The knucklehead painted EVERYTHING white, including the wiper arms and stupid crap like that. Regardless, the swap is awesome. It makes me really tempted to try it myself.

[Brian*]

saw one in my home town (naples fl) with an rb20 in it... guess its cool, dunno

[DoriDori]

410hp SR20 powered Z32?? Id drive one. Just not this one, looks awful lol.

[Z32redondo]

Probably started out its life as a non turbo car. VG30DE is also a very heavy motor, you could probably drop 200lbs off the front of the car with an SR20 and have very similar performance to a stockish VG30DETT.





That car is hideous though. The knucklehead painted EVERYTHING white, including the wiper arms and stupid crap like that. Regardless, the swap is awesome. It makes me really tempted to try it myself.



Ya know wasnt sure whether he painted it or not. I do know that turbo Z32's came with the whole front bumper painted the color of the car and NA's came with a section of the bumper a greyish color. It also came with a section on the left and right of the front bumper that has these weird little vents on it, and that only came on the turbo model of the car.

http://i21.tinypic.com/ru4nc6.jpg

There is also a switch on the center section that has an electric window adjustment at the same time on the turbo models had an adjustment for suspension. Atleast as far as I know was only on the twin turbo model.

What im not sure about is 2 things. Whether the 2+2 model came twin turbo or not and whether the US or 2+2 came with white faced gauges. If the 2+2 came non turbo then this was a nonturbo. Also under the RPM gauge there is a boost gauge. It is not shown on this car but at the same time this car has white faced gauges and I beleive that the white only came in JDMland and he swapped his original twin turbo gauge for a set of NA gauges that were white.



Word, wish I had some hardfast numbers for you on the VG30.
The NA is slow as ****



Lets see, the obvious that jumps out at me are:

1 Cheap ass parts.
2 Incredible aftermarket for the SR motor
3 Cheap motor set to do the swap with
4 Huge sprung weight savings over teh VQ
5 You ever tried to work on a VQ in the car? Nightmare.

Other than those, blaringly obvious things. I would do an SR swap anyday over a VQ or VQTT motor. Much more reliable, light, cheap and a cool swap too.

If I am right and the car started as a TT in the first place here is what I noticed.
1. He states he has spent over 12,000 total on the swap and only has 400HP. Same amount of money on the VG and you would be in the high 100's.

2. It is a significant save on weight but at the same time only a few 100 pounds and when we are talking 12k into an sr swap and 12k into a VG30dett we are also talking about a huge gap by a few 100 HP. And with that kind of power a few 100 pounds is nothing. The VG would be faster.

3.You may have a alot more and cheaper parts for the SR but at the same time the VG responds better to mods than the SR does. So as you m ay save more you dont get the same power. Where as with the VG you spend more but you get more. You get out what you put in.

4. You are right about the VG being an enourmously big engine but it is that way for a reason and that is because the car weight a ****load and needs that kind of power to move the car.



Z1 Motorsports in Carrollton built one with almost 1200 hp.

Which Z are you talking about? If your talking about Russels it was only 1054HP








Im not bashing the swap at all it sounds like it could be a nice car with some interior and exhaust work. I just dont understand why? If he is trying to lose some of the weight, fine. But why lose some of the weight? To go faster? Why not just put the 12K into the VG and call it a day. In the end you would be faster. Maybe a little heavier but in the end ALOT faster. To make a base line race car? Well why not just throw it in the 240 and spend 12K on it. You would ultimately be faster than this car is and maybe a competitor if he had just spent 12K on the VG. It just dosent make much sense to me. Thats just me though and im expecting some constructive criticism towards my post of constructive critisism towards yalls so maybe that can give a few ideas towards this guys thinking.

[speedminded]

Ya know wasnt sure whether he painted it or not. I do know that turbo Z32's came with the whole front bumper painted the color of the car and NA's came with a section of the bumper a greyish color. It also came with a section on the left and right of the front bumper that has these weird little vents on it, and that only came on the turbo model of the car.

http://i21.tinypic.com/ru4nc6.jpg

There is also a switch on the center section that has an electric window adjustment at the same time on the turbo models had an adjustment for suspension. Atleast as far as I know was only on the twin turbo model.

What im not sure about is 2 things. Whether the 2+2 model came twin turbo or not and whether the US or 2+2 came with white faced gauges. If the 2+2 came non turbo then this was a nonturbo. Also under the RPM gauge there is a boost gauge. It is not shown on this car but at the same time this car has white faced gauges and I beleive that the white only came in JDMland and he swapped his original twin turbo gauge for a set of NA gauges that were white.



The NA is slow as ****




If I am right and the car started as a TT in the first place here is what I noticed.
1. He states he has spent over 12,000 total on the swap and only has 400HP. Same amount of money on the VQ and you would be in the high 100's.

2. It is a significant save on weight but at the same time only a few 100 pounds and when we are talking 12k into an sr swap and 12k into a VQ30dett we are also talking about a huge gap by a few 100 HP. And with that kind of power a few 100 pounds is nothing. The VQ would be faster.

3.You may have a alot more and cheaper parts for the SR but at the same time the VQ responds better to mods than the SR does. So as you m ay save more you dont get the same power. Where as with the VQ you spend more but you get more. You get out what you put in.

4. You are right about the VQ being an enourmously big engine but it is that way for a reason and that is because the car weight a ****load and needs that kind of power to move the car.




Which Z are you talking about? If your talking about Russels it was only 1054HP








Im not bashing the swap at all it sounds like it could be a nice car with some interior and exhaust work. I just dont understand why? If he is trying to lose some of the weight, fine. But why lose some of the weight? To go faster? Why not just put the 12K into the VG and call it a day. In the end you would be faster. Maybe a little heavier but in the end ALOT faster. To make a base line race car? Well why not just throw it in the 240 and spend 12K on it. You would ultimately be faster than this car is and maybe a competitor if he had just spent 12K on the VQ. It just dosent make much sense to me. Thats just me though and im expecting some constructive criticism towards my post of constructive critisism towards yalls so maybe that can give a few ideas towards this guys thinking.I can't believe people took the time to critique this car. :tongue: There was never a TT 2+2 in the US. The VIN comes back as "1991 NISSAN 300ZX 2+2 - 3.0L V6 FI".

The bumper isn't even OEM, stock doesn't have a removable lower valence and they don't have the lower part of the valence protruding out...the car looks like they were trying to replicate a SMZ. If I remember correctly all bumpers up to 1994 had the grey strip between the driving/fog lights, '95 & 96+ were body colored.

As for money spent, what he spent $12k on may cost any of us $5,000 if we did it ourselves...not including the $2k or so made off selling the original engine.

[Fr33way]

The NA is slow as ****


Umm. Yeah, I was talking about dry weight of engine without accessories and the difficulty of knowing what exactly was on the engine when weighed when the numbers are pulled from a site.

Also, you are a Z32 guy. You call the motor a VQ like six times.... :rolleyes:

[Z32redondo]

I can't believe people took the time to critique this car. :tongue: There was never a TT 2+2 in the US. The VIN comes back as "1991 NISSAN 300ZX 2+2 - 3.0L V6 FI".

The bumper isn't even OEM, stock doesn't have a removable lower valence and they don't have the lower part of the valence protruding out...the car looks like they were trying to replicate a SMZ. If I remember correctly all bumpers up to 1994 had the grey strip between the driving/fog lights, '95 & 96+ were body colored.

As for money spent, what he spent $12k on may cost any of us $5,000 if we did it ourselves...not including the $2k or so made off selling the original engine.

Thank you I wasnt too sure on the 2+2 being twin turbo or not in the states. I never really looked into it seeing as how I have a convertible and I never really needed to know until now.

How is that not a stock 300zx twin turbo bumper though. Besides the fact that it has lip/spoiler on it?



Umm. Yeah, I was talking about dry weight of engine without accessories and the difficulty of knowing what exactly was on the engine when weighed when the numbers are pulled from a site.

Also, you are a Z32 guy. You call the motor a VQ like six times.... :rolleyes:

I was just commenting that some people were saying the sr20 could compete with a stock VG30DE in the case of this car. I was just saying it was slow. miscommunication when I thought thats what you were talking about.

Oh and thats the effects of writing a big post at 2 AM in the morn in the dark. I have known since I bought the car it was VG. I only called it a VQ after I was quoting Glides post and in it he says VQ instead of VG I think might also have been part of it






Thanks for the constructive critisism.

[thursdaybuff]

How is that not a stock 300zx twin turbo bumper though. Besides the fact that it has lip/spoiler on it?
it is a stock twin turbo front bumper with a lip and a splitter on it. but either way the bumper did not come stock on that car. like speedminded said, since the 2+2s did not come tt in the US, that bumper was put on there along with all that other crap and probably painted.

Which Z are you talking about? If your talking about Russels it was only 1054HP
i don't know what z he's talking about either but russell's is a bit higher than that now last i heard.

[Z32redondo]

it is a stock twin turbo front bumper with a lip and a splitter on it. but either way the bumper did not come stock on that car. like speedminded said, since the 2+2s did not come tt in the US, that bumper was put on there along with all that other crap and probably painted.

i don't know what z he's talking about either but russell's is a bit higher than that now last i heard.

Oh I now know that it isnt stock on that car I thought what he was saying was that it was an aftermarke front bumper. Because he said it isnt even OEM.

I guess I have some research to do on Russells Z because last I heard it was the fastest street legal Z. Reps to you sir

[R32Dragon]

Innovative, I guess i'd rather have that than a stock NA 2+2. But confused stares would prolly follow that car when Z owners hear it drive by.

[speedminded]

it is a stock twin turbo front bumper with a lip and a splitter on it. but either way the bumper did not come stock on that car. like speedminded said, since the 2+2s did not come tt in the US, that bumper was put on there along with all that other crap and probably painted.So the vent holes of the valence/spoiler line up flawlessly with the vent holes on a TT bumper? Or is it an NA bumper with a big rectangle cut out where the vent would be then the lower valence added over it?

[Fr33way]

I was just commenting that some people were saying the sr20 could compete with a stock VG30DE in the case of this car. I was just saying it was slow. miscommunication when I thought thats what you were talking about.

I gotcha.


Oh and thats the effects of writing a big post at 2 AM in the morn in the dark. I have known since I bought the car it was VG. I only called it a VQ after I was quoting Glides post and in it he says VQ instead of VG I think might also have been part of it


No big deal mate.

[sakasaku]

this guy is so stupid he should go fall in a hole!!!!

[thursdaybuff]

So the vent holes of the valence/spoiler line up flawlessly with the vent holes on a TT bumper? Or is it an NA bumper with a big rectangle cut out where the vent would be then the lower valence added over it?
yup, they actually made the lip to fit perfectly over the stock tt bumper

Stillen's lip (http://www.z1motorsports.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_12&products_id=15)

but yeah there is the possibility that he did some cutting to his whether it be what you said or just completely cut off the n/a lower lip and added the tt lip. normally i would say the guy wouldn't be that stupid but judging by the rest of the car, i wouldn't put it past him.

[speedminded]

yup, they actually made the lip to fit perfectly over the stock tt bumper

Stillen's lip (http://www.z1motorsports.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_12&products_id=15)

but yeah there is the possibility that he did some cutting to his whether it be what you said or just completely cut off the n/a lower lip and added the tt lip. normally i would say the guy wouldn't be that stupid but judging by the rest of the car, i wouldn't put it past him.He wouldn't have to cut the lower part of the bumper off, just cut two rectangles out where the vents are.