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Vteckidd
08-17-2007, 05:22 PM
Well after installing this:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC05146.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC05148.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC05147.jpg

We decided to put on a custom Batlground Spec GT30R turbo. We went ahead an switched to Tomei 260 cams for the tomei solid lifters. STOCK BLOCK, Greddy Intake manifold and 750cc injectors round out the setup.


TUNED BY DAN OF BATLGROUND WITH AEM:
Nissan 240SX SR20DET

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DanRaceCar.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DanRaceCarTQ.jpg

We picked up about 500rpms of spool even though we switched to a BIGGER turbo, and we made 425whp at only 17psi of boost on PUMP GAS.

Its gotta be one of the highest whp for that boost that i have ever seen. Car feels great too, should be interesting this weekend :ninja:

AnclyT
08-17-2007, 05:33 PM
good stuffff

patrick4588
08-17-2007, 05:35 PM
well damn if that graph isnt perfect! good job. nice stuff. im impressed

collins
08-17-2007, 05:37 PM
what kind of car is the batlground race car?

Vteckidd
08-17-2007, 05:47 PM
Nissan 240SX SR20DET

collins
08-17-2007, 05:51 PM
righto

93H22ACX
08-17-2007, 05:59 PM
nice

Blaze the chemi
08-17-2007, 06:06 PM
That TQ curve is sick. Nice and flat when the turbo hits 17#.

The Yousef
08-17-2007, 06:07 PM
240s are ghey :fruit:

rolling_trip
08-17-2007, 06:11 PM
240s are only half as ghey as me:fruit:

FIXED :D

The Yousef
08-17-2007, 06:12 PM
FIXED :D

A: fuck you fucking fuck :2up:

B: so you are agreeing that they are ghey?

:lmao:

rolling_trip
08-17-2007, 06:17 PM
A: fuck you fucking fuck :2up:

B: so you are agreeing that they are ghey?

:lmao:

lol, yeah they are pretty gay, but i have not seen one bent over in a comprising pose like someone else :goodjob:

The Yousef
08-17-2007, 06:20 PM
but i have not seen one bent over in a comprising pose like someone else :goodjob:

huh?

SPOOLIN
08-17-2007, 06:44 PM
you mean drift car?

Professor X
08-17-2007, 09:05 PM
Very nice numbers. I guess you guys tossed the gt2871's for the gt30. It appears to have been worth it by the gains shown.

Big Baller
08-17-2007, 09:56 PM
Mike.....its not a 30R......its a 3071.

Get youre shit straight.

allmotoronly
08-17-2007, 10:24 PM
nice!

Vteckidd
08-18-2007, 12:09 PM
you mean drift car?
no i mean race car ;)

slidin is racing

Big Baller
08-18-2007, 01:59 PM
no i mean race car ;)

slidin is racing

No you mean drift car.

The Supra was a racecar....The STi is a Racecar.

The 240s are drift cars.


rac·ing.
–noun 1. a contest of speed, as in running, riding, driving, or sailing.

Speed +distance
Time

Racing = A contest of distance over time.

I didn't see anyone doing anytiming at the last drift event.

In drifting you can still finish in second place and win....therefore it is not racing.

It is a cool motorsport....but its not racing.


Hugs and Kisses

Matt

Cool Cat Racing
08-18-2007, 02:14 PM
Very nice numbers, wouldn't have expected anything that quick on a 3071. Geoff sells some impressive shit over there at Full Race so I know that thing will last. I have to agree with Matt though, its not a race car, its a drift car. Drifting is not racing, like freestyle motox isn't racing either.

Tracy
08-18-2007, 02:55 PM
Drifting is racing. It's a contest of speed :) Not time, but it is a contest of speed. I know this for sure. I always get the "go faster" speech.

rac·ing.
–noun 1. a contest of speed, as in running, riding, driving, or sailing.

I don't see the word time in that definition.

Either way it is a RACE CAR. It is set up to drift.

Big Baller
08-18-2007, 04:12 PM
Racing is a contest of speed. Speed is defined as distance over time.

Therefore racing is a contest of speed over time. Youre not getting timed youre getting judged. Its a badass sport....its just not racing.

There is speed involved but that isn't the primary thing you are being judged on. I know because if it was I could bring the STI out and whoop youre ass.

Tracy
08-18-2007, 07:55 PM
Racing is a contest of speed. Speed is defined as distance over time.

Therefore racing is a contest of speed over time. Youre not getting timed youre getting judged. Its a badass sport....its just not racing.

There is speed involved but that isn't the primary thing you are being judged on. I know because if it was I could bring the STI out and whoop youre ass.

Actually, speed is the thing you get judged on the most ;) with a speed gun...and it also includes your proximity to the car you are up against...speed wise ;)

Either way, bitch, Dan won the event today thanks to his new set up.....since he was FASTER than EVERYONE.

Shout out to Full Race and Garrett and Ferrea for the goodies. RAWK ON! :super:

SoLJames95
08-18-2007, 08:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
no i mean race car ;)

slidin is racing



No you mean drift car.

The Supra was a racecar....The STi is a Racecar.

The 240s are drift cars.


rac·ing.
–noun 1. a contest of speed, as in running, riding, driving, or sailing.

Speed +distance
Time

Racing = A contest of distance over time.

I didn't see anyone doing anytiming at the last drift event.

In drifting you can still finish in second place and win....therefore it is not racing.

It is a cool motorsport....but its not racing.



:smileowne......:lmfao:

Tracy
08-18-2007, 08:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
no i mean race car ;)

slidin is racing



No you mean drift car.

The Supra was a racecar....The STi is a Racecar.

The 240s are drift cars.


rac·ing.
–noun 1. a contest of speed, as in running, riding, driving, or sailing.

Speed +distance
Time

Racing = A contest of distance over time.

I didn't see anyone doing anytiming at the last drift event.

In drifting you can still finish in second place and win....therefore it is not racing.

It is a cool motorsport....but its not racing.



:smileowne......:lmfao:


not really. But good job on post whoring :)

SoLJames95
08-18-2007, 08:54 PM
Me and Mike go back... Its okay. He knows Im messin with him. LOL

Tracy
08-18-2007, 08:59 PM
Me and Mike go back... Its okay. He knows Im messin with him. LOL

Cool.

SPOOLIN
08-18-2007, 11:19 PM
They might measure your speed with a gun, but you still aren't timed. Your point has been invalidated. Thank you.

Tracy
08-19-2007, 11:11 AM
They might measure your speed with a gun, but you still aren't timed. Your point has been invalidated. Thank you.

No, thank you for engaging. It's a race car :)

The fact is, we can call it whatever we want. You can call it whatever you want. You know what we are talking about. We can say that we think drifting is a race and you can think differently. It's neither here nor there. You're just being a jerk with your posts. It's really unnecessary to banter about it and bring it up. We have built our fair share of "RACE CARS" over the years. When you can't drive them on the street and they are purpose built....WE CALL THEM RACE CARS.

Haters will always hate. You can pick them out when they try to argue about something that is irrelevant because they can't find anything else to argue about.....like the SICK SET UP and SICK TUNING which yielded the SICK NUMBERS. Why don't you argue that instead? It'd be a little more on topic for this thread. This isn't the whoreslounge.

SPOOLIN
08-19-2007, 11:16 AM
Well ill continue to call a purpose built drift car that isnt driven on the street...a Drift Car. Why would I argue about the tuning and power made, that wouldn't make since considering all that is good stuff, no problems there. yes you have built race cars over the years that have raced, i am fully aware...and now you've built some drift cars.

BABY J
08-19-2007, 11:20 AM
It is a race car - is it driven to the grocery store? It is only driven to COMPETE.

Race car.

/discussion.

Tracy
08-19-2007, 11:31 AM
Well ill continue to call a purpose built drift car that isnt driven on the street...a Drift Car. Why would I argue about the tuning and power made, that wouldn't make since considering all that is good stuff, no problems there. yes you have built race cars over the years that have raced, i am fully aware...and now you've built some drift cars.


Sweet, then you do that. I don't have a problem with what you want to call it. What was the point of bringing it up? Why not just say nice numbers on your drift car? That's my main problem with ya at this moment. It was really unnecessary. It comes across, in few words, as a hater post. You know exactly what I am saying.

Vteckidd
08-19-2007, 02:24 PM
SO is street racing , racing? technically there is no TIME ?

What about Figure Skating? is that a real sport? what about Table Tennis?

We can play this game all day long, but the fact is its a DRIFT CAR that happens to RACE. It is a PRO car, it has a PRO driver, and it competes on a national level.

I call it a RACE CAR because it is buil to COMPETE. it is not built to do anything but compete against other people and cars. It is a sponsored car, it is driven to its limits just like any other "MOTORSPORT". and drifting is classified as a MOTORSPORT.

Spoolin just likes to be crabby cause his car is down and its the "cool" thing to do out of the Mainstream camp. Anything i post they watch like a hawk an try to pick it apart.

childish if you ask me

but hey, isnt our NON RACE car $2000 richer after this weekend? ;)

EmminoDaGreat
08-19-2007, 02:34 PM
Really no need to bring mainstreams name in this. Thanks.

Big Baller
08-19-2007, 02:54 PM
SO is street racing , racing? technically there is no TIME ?

What about Figure Skating? is that a real sport? what about Table Tennis?

We can play this game all day long, but the fact is its a DRIFT CAR that happens to RACE. It is a PRO car, it has a PRO driver, and it competes on a national level.

I call it a RACE CAR because it is buil to COMPETE. it is not built to do anything but compete against other people and cars. It is a sponsored car, it is driven to its limits just like any other "MOTORSPORT". and drifting is classified as a MOTORSPORT.

Spoolin just likes to be crabby cause his car is down and its the "cool" thing to do out of the Mainstream camp. Anything i post they watch like a hawk an try to pick it apart.

childish if you ask me

but hey, isnt our NON RACE car $2000 richer after this weekend? ;)


In street racing the guy who crosses the finish line first wins.

As far as it being a sport no one said that it wasn't.


Drifting is to racing as figure skating is to hokey.



Its funny to me that everyone has got there panties in a wad over this, especially since Tracy and Dan know that I hold nothing but the highest respect for what they do. Its a hard sport, theres a lot of driver skill involved. Just as much as racing......however its not racing, doesn't mean its not cool.

Vteckidd
08-19-2007, 03:34 PM
Really no need to bring mainstreams name in this. Thanks.
then when i go in spoolins EK thread an say:

"hope this car finally breaks 11s after 4 years and doesnt blow its 4th motor up" dont bitch about it.

im just sick an tired of the bullshit posts by people that i considered my friends, an people i practically HELPED build their car. now that i dont work there is that all forgotten? Ill leave mainstream out of MY THREADS when your people stop coming in here an BASHING or running their mouth for no other reason but to try an start trouble.

:blah:

josh green
08-19-2007, 05:16 PM
then when i go in spoolins EK thread an say:

"hope this car finally breaks 11s after 4 years and doesnt blow its 4th motor up" dont bitch about it.

im just sick an tired of the bullshit posts by people that i considered my friends, an people i practically HELPED build their car. now that i dont work there is that all forgotten? Ill leave mainstream out of MY THREADS when your people stop coming in here an BASHING or running their mouth for no other reason but to try an start trouble.

:blah:
Ouch, I dont think spoolin has ever talked bad or down to you mike. The beef between other people and you is between just that, other people and you. You know how technical he is about shit, thats just him.

EmminoDaGreat
08-19-2007, 06:13 PM
I am pretty sure mainstream has nothing to do with this thread. so dont make it that.

I dont give a fuck what you say about spoolins car. Do i bitch about anything ? NO

Now, if i were to say FUCK YOU AND YOUR FUCKING "DRIFT CARS" then you could make it mainstream. BUT ITS NOT. Because i didnt start, nor say anything. now, please refrain from using MSPi's name in things unless myself,charles,tdf,or rob says anything to you.

I cant control what people say? so dont make it seem like i tell them to go say things.
The simple fact of opinions being voiced. Drift cars are not race cars.... how do i or mainstream have anything to do with it.

So all i ask is keep the shop i work for name out of it. Simple request.

Brick
08-19-2007, 07:42 PM
Actually, speed is the thing you get judged on the most ;) with a speed gun...and it also includes your proximity to the car you are up against...speed wise ;)

Either way, bitch, Dan won the event today thanks to his new set up.....since he was FASTER than EVERYONE.

Shout out to Full Race and Garrett and Ferrea for the goodies. RAWK ON! :super:

If speed is the thing you get judged on most.... Why would you automatically lose from gaining grip to pass and go faster if it was a race?
Taken from D1GP Competition judging criteria on Wikipedia
# Overtaking the lead car under drift conditions almost always wins that pass.
# Overtaking the lead car under grip conditions automatically forfeits that pass.
I would think the thing about gaining grip to pass would apply to Drift Fury and Nopi Drift too, yes? Drifting requires great skill in car control, going fast, showmanship, etc. and is very impressive and competitive. It's just not racing.

2.3 Evo 8
08-19-2007, 08:11 PM
Its a pace car. Awesome.

Big Baller
08-19-2007, 09:25 PM
Sweet, then you do that. I don't have a problem with what you want to call it. What was the point of bringing it up? Why not just say nice numbers on your drift car? That's my main problem with ya at this moment. It was really unnecessary. It comes across, in few words, as a hater post. You know exactly what I am saying.

Fucking Haters

SPOOLIN
08-19-2007, 09:42 PM
Well Im glad baller understands.

Mike, i dont know what you are talking about, your post made absolutly no sense because i said nothing about you or the business you work for. Im just stating technical information...whether you like it or not. You can sit there and tell me information i already know about my personal car if you want, but I AM MAKING my posts from my iMAC here at my house. I am a really technical person just like josh said and you already know that, so why make a low blow like that.

drpepper14
08-19-2007, 10:02 PM
this setup is sick

Nyteryder
08-19-2007, 10:36 PM
Well after installing this:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC05146.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC05148.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC05147.jpg

We decided to put on a custom Batlground Spec GT30R turbo. We went ahead an switched to Tomei 260 cams for the tomei solid lifters. STOCK BLOCK, Greddy Intake manifold and 750cc injectors round out the setup.


TUNED BY DAN OF BATLGROUND WITH AEM:
Nissan 240SX SR20DET

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DanRaceCar.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DanRaceCarTQ.jpg

We picked up about 500rpms of spool even though we switched to a BIGGER turbo, and we made 425whp at only 17psi of boost on PUMP GAS.

Its gotta be one of the highest whp for that boost that i have ever seen. Car feels great too, should be interesting this weekend :ninja:

Back on subject, That is a very nice set up, I wanted to upgrade to the 30r when I hade my sr. This car made 20whp more power than mine did pump vs pump at 2psi less. :goodjob: MIke did you every get an email back reguarding my car?

nextelbuddy
08-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Thumbs up Mike, although ill throw in that on a 60-1 i made 471 rwhp and 521 tq @ 17 psi with full boost by 3500 rpms :D

Tracy
08-20-2007, 09:41 AM
LOL! Some of y'all are so funny.

I can't wait to get my parts for my car. i drove Dans for a minute this weekend. It was freaking amazing! It also sound like it's freaking ripping ass al over the place. The sound is very distinct.

BABY J
08-20-2007, 09:47 AM
I like how this conversation went from is the CAR a race car, to is DRIFTING considered racing. You know why - b/c I'd bet if you tossed a slick on it it'd outrun a lot of cars on here in drag, prob in time attack to. THE FUCKIN CAR IS A RACECAR - now, whether drifting is racing depends on who you ask. As stated, good job. I am being an ass b/c I like Mike, I like Charles, I like BG and I like MSPi - I like it all. So every1 STFU and leave your egos at home - it's not sexy. I am ashamed to be a part of a scene where grown men have to bicker like 16 year olds over the internet and can't sit down and talk about shit... fighting over shit and holding grudges over shit that in 5 minutes, 5 days, or 5 months won't even matter at all. Grow the fuck up.

BABY J
08-20-2007, 09:58 AM
I like how this conversation went from is the CAR a race car, to is DRIFTING considered racing. You know why - b/c I'd bet if you tossed a slick on it it'd outrun a lot of cars on here in drag, prob in time attack to. THE FUCKIN CAR IS A RACECAR - now, whether drifting is racing depends on who you ask. As stated, good job. I am being an ass b/c I like Mike, I like Charles, I like BG and I like MSPi - I like it all. So every1 STFU and leave your egos at home - it's not sexy. I am ashamed to be a part of a scene where grown men have to bicker like 16 year olds over the internet and can't sit down and talk about shit... fighting over shit and holding grudges over shit that in 5 minutes, 5 days, or 5 months won't even matter at all. Grow the fuck up.

I like waffles too - sometimes w/ peanut-butter and syrup.:yes:

Tracy
08-20-2007, 10:40 AM
Baby J. You crazy, f00

Vteckidd
08-20-2007, 10:43 AM
Well Im glad baller understands.

Mike, i dont know what you are talking about, your post made absolutly no sense because i said nothing about you or the business you work for. Im just stating technical information...whether you like it or not. You can sit there and tell me information i already know about my personal car if you want, but I AM MAKING my posts from my iMAC here at my house. I am a really technical person just like josh said and you already know that, so why make a low blow like that.

Ok well when i sit here, and you purposefully come in here an the ONLY THING YOU SAY IS :


Dont you mean Drift car?

the only reason to do that is to START SHIT. Dont sit here an act like it was a Technical bulletin and you were just trying to inform the community.

MAtt i thought you an I were friends, I thought you knew that my job is MARKETING. ALl i was doing was promoting how good FULL-RACE is and how well Dan Tuned the car. In my opinion its a RACE CAR, more of a race car that some other people have.

For you to come in here, and make that post is nothing but to try an START SOMETHING. I mean, how far we go back matt? How many times have i hooked you up on parts(most recently the S300 and 2 TURBO DAVE MANIFOLDS), advice, dyno time!?? why cant you just say "nice graph" and go on your merry way? or was all that forgotten when i was LAID OFF and i got a job at a COMPETITORS place of business?

an you know i hope you prove everyone wrong an do well in your RACE car. ill be rooting for you no matter what happens when its done. Thats my loyalty to YOU. I just thought you would have some loyalty to me thats all an respect me enough to not try an start something when it really doesnt affect you or anyone else.

It just seems like everyone from "over there" besides james, looks to start something when they can. Like Rob , Dave, Charles, etc. so when i see tihs, thats all i can assume.

Good luck Matt, i hope you gt my point, if not, CALL ME.

Vteckidd
08-20-2007, 10:45 AM
what ill do is throw some tires on it, run the SRDEC track event this thursday in it and then can we call it a race car?

what about Auto-X? can i auto cross it then call it a race car?

what about Tunerfest, can i drag it at Tunerfest an then can we call it a race car?

BABY J
08-20-2007, 10:47 AM
Baby J. You crazy, f00

Nah... only during the week and on the weekends.


what ill do is throw some tires on it, run the SRDEC track event this thursday in it and then can we call it a race car?

what about Auto-X? can i auto cross it then call it a race car?

what about Tunerfest, can i drag it at Tunerfest an then can we call it a race car?

We all know it's a racecar - that's why they shifted the debate shifted from the car, to is DRIFTING racing. Back-pedaling FTL. ;)



To every1 - choose your battles. Not all of them are worth the energy it takes to fight 'em.

Tracy
08-20-2007, 10:49 AM
I love Dan. He is so smart and funny...and he buys me stuff.

Vteckidd
08-20-2007, 10:54 AM
MIke did you every get an email back reguarding my car?
I will call you today , its a go if we bust ass

BABY J
08-20-2007, 11:22 AM
Racing is a contest of speed. Speed is defined as distance over time.

Therefore racing is a contest of speed over time. Youre not getting timed youre getting judged. Its a badass sport....its just not racing.

There is speed involved but that isn't the primary thing you are being judged on. I know because if it was I could bring the STI out and whoop youre ass.

Not to beat a dead horse... but speed is velocity in a given direction... has NOTHING to do w/ time. Then again, maybe it does. LOL. I'm confused. LOL. I need a beer.

SPOOLIN
08-20-2007, 09:35 PM
seriously though, my comment was just that because of the way the sport is. My comments were not against mike corvey or his job, i have never lashed out at you for going to batlground because It doesnt matter to me and we have talked just fine since then about stuff and buying parts and coming by to get stuff. Your job position means nothing to me and thats that. You have helped me out a lot and i have nothing against your company or its endeavours into the sport they get paid to do.

Ill see you soon to buy some damn gas, jesus christ you pig.

Big Baller
08-20-2007, 10:36 PM
Whats really sad is that it could outlap damn near every car on here around road atlanta.

Matt

BABY J
08-21-2007, 09:21 AM
Yeah - Mike is a pig. A fat ass, non-b-ball playin, non phone call/email returning whiny ass pig.

** crosses arms **

hmph!!!

Vteckidd
08-21-2007, 10:08 AM
Ill see you soon to buy some damn gas, jesus christ you pig.
see you soon fuck face

ps


tell Mrs. Spoolin and Mr. Green i said hi

DoriDori
08-29-2007, 11:17 AM
wow thats a smooth power curve, all full race manifold curves ive seen, have such a smooth curve.

iNsTuN nOoDoH
09-03-2007, 08:49 PM
I'd be offended if someone called my car a racecar, when its obvious its a drift car.

Kalifornia087
09-03-2007, 10:30 PM
I want Full Race for my FC....
Freaking balling outta control!!!
Nice setup for real. I can't wait to get back out to an event and see it in action.

-Austin

Capt._Ron
09-04-2007, 02:21 AM
Not to beat a dead horse... but speed is velocity in a given direction... has NOTHING to do w/ time. Then again, maybe it does. LOL. I'm confused. LOL. I need a beer.

Pretty damn close, but actually velocity is speed with a given direction hence why you can treat velocity as a vector when performing various calculations.

(My life is complete the $90,000 that Ive spent on 3 years of engineering at Mercer has paid off. ..... yea right )

BABY J
09-04-2007, 09:32 AM
^ Figured I was close - lol. Nice addition. :)

turbodave
09-04-2007, 09:44 AM
Nice numbers. Is this going to be the set up for BG's drift cars. That setup will kick ass with the TQ numbers holding for that long.
P.S MIKE watch it. I still support IA anger managment......

Vteckidd
09-04-2007, 09:48 AM
Nice numbers. Is this going to be the set up for BG's drift cars. That setup will kick ass with the TQ numbers holding for that long.
P.S MIKE watch it. I still support IA anger managment......
right now its the setup dan is running on his, tracy has switched over yet.....

First time out dan took first at speedfed nationals with this setup, so, hopefully its the last one he will go through.

As for next year, we are looking for a little more displacement ;)

Tracy
09-04-2007, 09:50 AM
Nice numbers. Is this going to be the set up for BG's drift cars. That setup will kick ass with the TQ numbers holding for that long.
P.S MIKE watch it. I still support IA anger managment......

That will be the set up for the rest of this year (basically for the NOPI Nats). We are hoping to change it entirely for next season.

The Ren
09-04-2007, 09:53 AM
Beautiful as always... I love my BG peeps *hug*

Tracy
09-04-2007, 09:55 AM
Beautiful as always... I love my BG peeps *hug*

We miss you Ren. :yes:

The Ren
09-04-2007, 09:56 AM
Right back atcha.. As soon as I can get my shit in order I will be up there soon... The supra needs some major BG TLC...

Big Baller
09-04-2007, 10:42 AM
Not to beat a dead horse... but speed is velocity in a given direction... has NOTHING to do w/ time. Then again, maybe it does. LOL. I'm confused. LOL. I need a beer.

You want to go ahead and give me the simple calculation for Speed?

You do know what velocity is don't you?

NevrNufTorq
09-04-2007, 11:52 PM
No you mean drift car.

The Supra was a racecar....The STi is a Racecar.

The 240s are drift cars.


rac·ing.
–noun 1. a contest of speed, as in running, riding, driving, or sailing.

Speed +distance
Time

Racing = A contest of distance over time.

I didn't see anyone doing anytiming at the last drift event.

In drifting you can still finish in second place and win....therefore it is not racing.

It is a cool motorsport....but its not racing.


Hugs and Kisses

Matt

he speaketh the truth!!! :yes: cool to watch but if it is judged and not one it's not a race!!! it's like ufc having to go to the judges!! :blah: