Will i need this??? noob question

[©hris]

The TSI Turbo Kit Comes standard with TSI's proprietary fuel system, which includes a TSI interface block with 2 additional fuel injectors and controller unit (black box). The controller unit is adjustable, displays boost pressure, and has an integrated turbo timer. The settings are all pre-programmed to work right out of the box.

I can have this removed from the kit for $400.... I can run on stock injectors for the time being correct???

Like i said to Rob over the phone I am just trying to get the car boosted and running for Tunerfest. After tunerfest I will upgrade the Fuel Management and EMS. I also plan on running a Tuned Stock ECU until Tunerfest is over.

If i can get away without having TSIs fuel system that would be great... please let me know! thank you!!


This is the Kit....

Garrett GT25 turbo w/ internal wastegate set to 6 PSI.
Cast manifold that comes preassembled on Garrett turbo.
Down pipe and gasket.
Polished charge piping.
High-flow intercooler.
Stainless steel braided oil line and fittings.
Stainless steel braided water lines for turbo cooling.
Blow off valve.
Comes standard with TSI's proprietary fuel system, which includes a TSI interface block with 2 additional fuel injectors and controller unit (black box). The controller unit is adjustable, displays boost pressure, and has an integrated turbo timer. The settings are all pre-programmed to work right out of the box. A good dyno tune can still yield some additional horsepower though.
Rising rate fuel pressure regulator (not included or needed on 7th Gen Civics).
Heat shield.
High-performance air intake and filter.
Oil return hose and oil pan fitting.
All hardware, pressure lines, hoses, clamps, and couplers.

[Bruce Leroy]

Unless you plan on buying a new motor you are gonna need a fuel system. How are you gonna tune the stock ecu?? A piggy back? I haven't heard of anyone chipping a d17 ecu, but i guess it can be done.

You should just pick up some rsx or RDx injectors for ~$100, a fuel pump, and a E-manage from ebay. Should cost around $500. And you should be able to get a decent tune.

[©hris]

well the thing is .... im not real sure what my Finances are gonna be like. I wont know until tomorrow... i could have anywhere from $1500-$2500 to spend on the Turbo kit. maybe more...

So im trying to find the least expensive way to get this thing boosted. Depending on how much money i put in the bank tomorrow will depend on what i can include in the kit and what I cant.

[Kyle]

well the thing is .... im not real sure what my Finances are gonna be like. I wont know until tomorrow... i could have anywhere from $1500-$2500 to spend on the Turbo kit. maybe more...

So im trying to find the least expensive way to get this thing boosted. Depending on how much money i put in the bank tomorrow will depend on what i can include in the kit and what I cant.
:no: I wouldnt do that on my daily driver, but w/e it's your car. Also I know someone with a chipped ecu for a custom turbo setup and a few months later he had a blown motor.(there could be other reasons for the blown motor IDK)

I say do it right the first time so you don't have to redo it later. :2cents:

[1SOL2NV]

agreed ^^ please dont walk away without a GOOD TUNE !!!!!! .... almost the most essential thing u can do !! that and having quality stuff .. not cheap .

[©hris]

im not running my car at tunerfest lol.... i just need it in there for the show. I cant be having edlee parked next to me w/ his hood popped and not mine lols

[©hris]

i'll spend more time and money in it after the show

[GirlieZ]

:no: I wouldnt do that on my daily driver, but w/e it's your car. Also I know someone with a chipped ecu for a custom turbo setup and a few months later he had a blown motor.(there could be other reasons for the blown motor IDK)

I say do it right the first time so you don't have to redo it later. :2cents:
agreed with kyle, IMO why dont you just buy a blown k20 and build that, ohh well. or just put an ls1 in it, it would be the torquest civic around lol. (that was a joke, what a bitch of a swap that would be)

[SoLJames95]

All you need is 450cc Blue top DSM injectors (Need Resistor Box)... Yank them bitches out of a Junkyard, Cheapest way, I got the same ones out of a an old GSX and Ive had them for a year and a half nothin wrong. ECU... Chip it u will be fine. Do the chrome program, and you can get it done for $150 bucks, 9Scotty-Mainstream Performance) and then it should take like 2 hours of tuning, maybe less, but no more then 2. I have a similar setup, I have a t-25 ballbearing turbo on a D15b. Ive had the setup for 2 years, (10psi) and just about a month ago I put a Walbro Fuel Pump on. Your motor can handle (10psi) w/ stock internals... I can back this up with a guy that is good friends with me and that you know. Mihail with the same civic as u. Just let me know if you need anything. By the way +1 for boostin a D.:goodjob:

[©hris]

All you need is 450cc Blue top DSM injectors (Need Resistor Box)... Yank them bitches out of a Junkyard, Cheapest way, I got the same ones out of a an old GSX and Ive had them for a year and a half nothin wrong. ECU... Chip it u will be fine. Do the chrome program, and you can get it done for $150 bucks, 9Scotty-Mainstream Performance) and then it should take like 2 hours of tuning, maybe less, but no more then 2. I have a similar setup, I have a t-25 ballbearing turbo on a D15b. Ive had the setup for 2 years, (10psi) and just about a month ago I put a Walbro Fuel Pump on. Your motor can handle (10psi) w/ stock internals... I can back this up with a guy that is good friends with me and that you know. Mihail with the same civic as u. Just let me know if you need anything. By the way +1 for boostin a D.:goodjob:


that is what everyone has been saying to do. So this Black Box i can have removed and just throw in 450cc Injectors. Have scotty tune my ECU and call it a day right?? JM has a Walbro he will sell me too so that would help

[AnthonyF]

something this delicate and expensive...DONT RUSH IT! who cares if tunerfest is coming up. You'll have plenty of track days to race. Dont rush it, do it right, make sure everything is perfect first.

[Bruce Leroy]

You can't use Uberdata, Crome, Hondata, Neptune, and any other chip or program that runs off the OBD1 ECU on a d17!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless you find a way to switch you vehicle to obd1, you gotta spend some $$$$.

[©hris]

He can tune it w/ Kpro i think

[©hris]

something this delicate and expensive...DONT RUSH IT! who cares if tunerfest is coming up. You'll have plenty of track days to race. Dont rush it, do it right, make sure everything is perfect first.
im not runnin my car at tunerfest... just need something to look at under the hood lol Sept 12th i'll upgrade to the GT28r Disco Potato and Greddy Emanage, then i'll just take it up to Mainstream and have them spend some time tuning it.

[Bruce Leroy]

He can tune it w/ Kpro i think

k-pro is gonna costs around $1400. You gotta get the new ecu, get that converted to k-pro, and you have to get the cam wheel from hondata (which is $250).

[©hris]

..... damnnnn

What if i just get Emanage, 450cc Injectors, and walbro fuel pump???? will i be safe then??

[AnthonyF]

im not runnin my car at tunerfest... just need something to look at under the hood lol Sept 12th i'll upgrade to the GT28r Disco Potato and Greddy Emanage, then i'll just take it up to Mainstream and have them spend some time tuning it.


stick a few playboys underneath it then. :goodjob:


I'll unbolt my S/C and lay it on ur engine. how about that??

[©hris]

stick a few playboys underneath it then. :goodjob:


I'll unbolt my S/C and lay it on ur engine. how about that??

:lmfao: i could just blow up a photo of a 2jz to the size of my motor and lay it over my engine bay

[AnthonyF]

^^^helll yea....do it! i bet u wont. lol

[Tracy]

I would talk to the shop building your car ;). There's nothing worse than hearing "I read it on the internet" or "my friend has the same thing and he built it in his mom's backyard" or "I read it in a magazine" once you bring your car to a shop. It might be better to trust the person building it. Then you also have someone to hold accountable and someone with REAL experience. I also wouldn't be boosting my car unless I could afford it. That will be your first and biggest mistake. Be ready to do it right or be ready to have a sucky or blown up car and then the money you DID spend will be wasted.

Just my opinion after working at a shop for so long.

*edit, I'm not saying don't do you research. I'm just saying don't skrimp and talk to your shop.

[Bruce Leroy]

..... damnnnn

What if i just get Emanage, 450cc Injectors, and walbro fuel pump???? will i be safe then??

i would skip the 450's and get rsx-s injectors for now. I doubt that you will will max those out on a tsi kit. And they are plug and play.

Or you could get some stage 0 srt4 injectors and swap clips. I think those flow more than the dsm ones.

[AnthonyF]

Just my opinion after working at a shop for so long.


you work there too? nannnnn :D i keed.



now if you have knowledge and have done stuff like this before in the past that go ahead, but if u have no prior knowledge for doing large tasks like these that could result in your engine blowing up or worse, then take it to a shop.

[©hris]

This is what im gonna do... order the TSI kit and have them remove the Black box fuel system and the Turbo and BOV.... that will be about $1600. I am using a T25 that a friend is giving me for $50 that will be in there for a month. I will get RSX injectors and some type of EMS... prob Emanage. and Walbro Fuel Pump. Also getting HKS BOV w/ Flange for $50.

Edlee and Andrew will prob install it while I make an attempt to help lol. Once installed will it be safe to drive 45min to have tuned? <-noob question :)

[©hris]

I would talk to the shop building your car ;). There's nothing worse than hearing "I read it on the internet" or "my friend has the same thing and he built it in his mom's backyard" or "I read it in a magazine" once you bring your car to a shop. It might be better to trust the person building it. Then you also have someone to hold accountable and someone with REAL experience. I also wouldn't be boosting my car unless I could afford it. That will be your first and biggest mistake. Be ready to do it right or be ready to have a sucky or blown up car and then the money you DID spend will be wasted.

Just my opinion after working at a shop for so long.

*edit, I'm not saying don't do you research. I'm just saying don't skrimp and talk to your shop.


the best thing about the D17 is a new motor w/ 20k miles is only about $600

I just want it boosted for Tunerfest... not racing... just for show. After Tunerfest is done I have plans on Buying another D17 and Building the bottom end, P&P Head, Custom I/M, Bigger Throttle body, Disco Potato T28, and hope to run at least 13-15lbs of boost daily. And im gonna be needing a shop for that. The motor i have now has 100,000mi on it. Its gonna be my DD motor until the new one is built.

Dezod has a D17 Civic 373whp and 280tq

I will have a bad ass em2... Its gonna happen. $2000 a month will turn out nicely in 6 months

[sullen]

DSM injectors and the black box would be the best setup. bigger=better in this case. as far as emanage goes, you need the emanage, a support tool, and some cash to finance. my friend had a d17 with just a t25, 6 lbs boost. with the rsx injectors, he still managed to run lean, even at a 95% duty cycle. might have had something to do with him thinking his fuel pump could "adapt" and give a higher pressure on demand or some bs. get the walbro, you wont go wrong with that. stock internals can hold, but i would recomend upgrading before too long. that way you can make reliable power.

[sullen]

wish i had 2k a month...

[sullen]

This is what im gonna do... order the TSI kit and have them remove the Black box fuel system and the Turbo and BOV.... that will be about $1600. I am using a T25 that a friend is giving me for $50 that will be in there for a month. I will get RSX injectors and some type of EMS... prob Emanage. and Walbro Fuel Pump. Also getting HKS BOV w/ Flange for $50.

Edlee and Andrew will prob install it while I make an attempt to help lol. Once installed will it be safe to drive 45min to have tuned? <-noob question :)



a t25 is still enough to cause torque steer. still just as fun.

[AnthonyF]

a t25 is still enough to cause torque steer. still just as fun.

boost is always fun....unless u break something. :(




but chris, you say ur not gonna race it, but i kno you will get on it. hwy, streets, whereever. the longer u put off the CORRECT setup the more damage u might be doing to the motor. I did that. Took too long to get a tune and blew one piston.

[©hris]

boost is always fun....unless u break something. :(




but chris, you say ur not gonna race it, but i kno you will get on it. hwy, streets, whereever. the longer u put off the CORRECT setup the more damage u might be doing to the motor. I did that. Took too long to get a tune and blew one piston.


It all depends on what my commission check looks like.... wont know until tonight.

[collins]

chris, i'm gonna have to agree with tracy on this one.... if you cant afford to do it right, just dont do it! so what if tunersplash is coming up? BFD! if you want to risk blowing another 6 bills, not to mention the time and frustration (of edlees lol) to put your new motor back in teh car, then to each his own... you mentioned 2k a month... 6 bills is a GOOD CHUNK OUT OF THAT. do it right or go home without.

hell, i'll end up spending almost as much on a set of kooks headers and connecting pipes as you are on this little turbo kit... OR i could take the cheap way out, get the pacesetters for under $400, and run the risk of bad design rubbing up agains my steering column when i'm turning, locking it up and causing REAL problems....

moral of the story, do it once, do it right. you wont regret it.

[©hris]

chris, i'm gonna have to agree with tracy on this one.... if you cant afford to do it right, just dont do it! so what if tunersplash is coming up? BFD! if you want to risk blowing another 6 bills, not to mention the time and frustration (of edlees lol) to put your new motor back in teh car, then to each his own... you mentioned 2k a month... 6 bills is a GOOD CHUNK OUT OF THAT. do it right or go home without.

hell, i'll end up spending almost as much on a set of kooks headers and connecting pipes as you are on this little turbo kit... OR i could take the cheap way out, get the pacesetters for under $400, and run the risk of bad design rubbing up agains my steering column when i'm turning, locking it up and causing REAL problems....

moral of the story, do it once, do it right. you wont regret it.

yeah your right... everyone is right. Im gonna order what i can this check and sept 12th order what i can with that. Im really pushing to have my car completely done before next spring. I really want to buy a 99 civic hatch eventually to build. I coulda had a 99 fully built hatch w/ a boosted swap for the amount of money i have spent on paying my car off and modding it. I still owe around $7000 on my car lols

[Tracy]

There's also nothing worse than having 1/2 the work by one person and 1/2 the work done by someone else. That leaves a lot of room for finger pointing and a lot of room for people not being able to take responsibility for certaIN THINGS BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE TOUCHED THE CAR (whoops caps). I don't know how many times someone has brought a swap or a turbo install to us and said " I have the engine in the engine bay, it just needs to be finished up." Sometimes it costs 2 x's as much as it would have to just let 1 person touch it. If there are issues along the way, it's best to have one persons hands in the pot so he can back track thru his own work. It sucks back tracking thru someone else's work. Everyone has a different means to an end. Doesn't mean 1 way is right or wrong, it just means it's different and much more time consuming to figure out someone else's crap. I suggest either:
A. Bring it to 1 shop who can do everything in house. Install, fab and dyno tuning.
B. Do it all yourself and don't involve anyone else in your means to an end.

The only thing about B is you don't have a dyno, so you will HAVE to take it somewhere eventually. Strapping down on a dyno is an expensive way to find out your car has issues that need to be resolved before you can tune. The OBD2 cars aren't the easiest things in the world to deal with.

[©hris]

THe kit im getting is all bolt-on. THe only thing i would need help w/ is the Engine/Fuel managment. Dezod has a Plug and Play Emanage, i'll order Type-S injectors (thought these were only good up to 200whp???), Walbro Fuel Pump, and whatever else i need to get it done right. Andrew w/ BYT can do some amazing things... im sure you all have seen his car right?? I trust him to help me w/ this...

My question is though will the car be safe to drive 45min to go get tuned. The T25 spools up quickly and im assuming i can't hit boost if its not tuned

[Tracy]

Yea. They are all "bolt on!" Everything is BOLT ON! And everything "bolts right on".

/sarcasm :)

The manufacturers love for you to think that everything just bolts right on. It makes the sale easier for them.

[©hris]

I can do this Tracy!!! I learn by doing... if i blow some shit up its ok. I have another car i can drive. Everything on my car i have done myself. Its not because i can't afford to have someone else do it, its because i enjoy learning how to do these things.

Edlee installed his Kit while andrew watched. That is what i want to do. Its the only way i will have complete satisfaction with the car is knowing that I did it.

Its an expensive hobby and can be a headache at times too.... but being able to learn by doing yourself is what brings the most excitement and joy from driving a modded car.

[Tracy]

I can do this Tracy!!! I learn by doing... if i blow some shit up its ok. I have another car i can drive. Everything on my car i have done myself. Its not because i can't afford to have someone else do it, its because i enjoy learning how to do these things.

Edlee installed his Kit while andrew watched. That is what i want to do. Its the only way i will have complete satisfaction with the car is knowing that I did it.

Its an expensive hobby and can be a headache at times too.... but being able to learn by doing yourself is what brings the most excitement and joy from driving a modded car.


Babe, I'm sure you can do it ;) I'm giving you my YEARS of experience as advice. You don't have to take it. It just seems as tho you were asking for advice in here....so I was giving it. I also know you have been speaking with Mike about this. That is also the other reason I was speaking with you about it. I'm sure the guys at the shop would love to avoid wasting a self proclaimed "noobs" money because he thought things would "bolt right on" and now they have to clean it up (might not turn out to be the case...but it could). I would also hate to think you have been taking up Mike's time and you are doing it yourself :) That wouldn't be very nice, now would it :D I understand if you want the satisfaction of doing it yourself. I just thought you were bringing it to a shop. That's what you implied in previous posts. If you aren't, then by all means....do yo' thang.

Good luck with everything. I don't want to make you think you are inferior by giving maybe helpful advice on your turbo install. I'll leave that up to the boys.

HOLLA!

[collins]

:lmfao: man she just called you out for wasting mike's time! damn thats straight gangsta

[Tracy]

:lmfao: man she just called you out for wasting mike's time! damn thats straight gangsta

NO NO NO! I mean I did, but that wasn't the point. He could have been buying parts from him. I was just saying I thought he was taking it to a shop...that was the point. :)

[SoLJames95]

Okay sorry, let me make myself clear. Tracy is right about,:yes: money and havin someone doin all the work instead of taking it here then there. I have done this setup two times. The first through Mainstream, and then I blew the shit up because I turned boost past my tune and blew it up. Second motor I did myself with some friends. My suggestion is take it to a shop have them look at it, ask what you need to do. If any of it involves somethin mechanically u cant do. Then let them do it first. Then you do what you know you can do and positve you can do. (EXPIERNCE) and just my :2cents: Yes you can drive un tune to a shop. Just be careful, It will spool but not enough to blow engine. Stay below 4k if that. PS. DSM Injectors and Resistor Box!!!! Cheap and Very good!!! Plug and Play.:idb:

[©hris]

Okay sorry, let me make myself clear. Tracy is right about,:yes: money and havin someone doin all the work instead of taking it here then there. I have done this setup two times. The first through Mainstream, and then I blew the shit up because I turned boost past my tune and blew it up. Second motor I did myself with some friends. My suggestion is take it to a shop have them look at it, ask what you need to do. If any of it involves somethin mechanically u cant do. Then let them do it first. Then you do what you know you can do and positve you can do. (EXPIERNCE) and just my :2cents: Yes you can drive un tune to a shop. Just be careful, It will spool but not enough to blow engine. Stay below 4k if that. PS. DSM Injectors and Resistor Box!!!! Cheap and Very good!!! Plug and Play.:idb:

so basically i should just buy the little things like CF Hood/Trunk, Brake upgrade, Nitto Neo Gen tires, LCAs, Retrofit HIDs, etc... and save up for doing a complete build this winter..... i kinda like the idea.... But im actually losing sleep over boost :screwy: Like everyone has told me... boost is like a drug.

[Tracy]

so basically i should just buy the little things like CF Hood/Trunk, Brake upgrade, Nitto Neo Gen tires, LCAs, Retrofit HIDs, etc... and save up for doing a complete build this winter..... i kinda like the idea.... But im actually losing sleep over boost :screwy: Like everyone has told me... boost is like a drug.

It only gets worse once you have tried it :D

[©hris]

I drove Edlee's boosted D series and i was amazed at 4 lbs of boost once it kicked in i just got sucked back into the seat...

back in the day Val gave me a ride in her evo and that was the first and only time i have ever been in a 300hp+ modified import + the AWD.... i now have a fear of riding in cars if im not driving lol

I have been driving around w/ 100whp for almost 3 years.... My hampster is getting old and tired.

[AnthonyF]

It only gets worse once you have tried it :D


yes...yes it does.



im an addict :police: :drunk:

[DJ Raijin]

so basically i should just buy the little things like CF Hood/Trunk, Brake upgrade, Nitto Neo Gen tires, LCAs, Retrofit HIDs, etc... and save up for doing a complete build this winter..... i kinda like the idea.... But im actually losing sleep over boost :screwy: Like everyone has told me... boost is like a drug.

All good things come with time