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osnap
07-31-2007, 05:18 PM
I bought the car about 3 weeks ago. 94 del Sol VTEC with the original B16 (146k mi), but it has a hydro LS transmission (unknown mi). While test driving, I noticed a slight 3rd gear grind during high speed shifting. I also noticed the car was sorta sluggish in 3rd gear @ low RPMs, but figured it was an o2 sensor problem. That concern aside, I went ahead and bought the car, figuring if the tranny goes its just a good excuse to swap the GSR drivetrain in. Weeeeell I guess I should have been careful what I wished for, cause I think the LS is about to take a dump on me.

Driving at about 50 on Barrett pkwy this afternoon, I heard a loud metallic clank... like a wrench dropped in a garage. Though it was alarming, I didnt initially really feel any difference while driving, so I figured maybe something had fallen from another car or something. I was right by my destination at the time, so I parked and went in with no problem. When I left, I realized something was wrong. Ive been driving around for a bit to get back home, and I've tried to pinpoint what I've noticed.

First, between 1st and 2nd gear I sometimes hear a loud sorta metallic popping noise. Not a grind, but a loud pop. Theres not really a rhyme or reason that I can find, but it seems to only be in 1st and 2nd gears. (Over an hour or so of driving, I heard this maybe 5 times). My exhaust note is very irregular and sounds... uh... reverberated, I guess you'd say. I'm getting alot of pedal vibration during acceleration. The car is sluggish, especially in lower RPMs. If I cruise at 3-4k RPM and then give the car a quick burst of gas, it sort of feels like something thuds into place - just a slight little jerk - and is sluggish (This is very obvious in 1st and 2nd, a bit less obvious in 3rd and 4th, and almost non-existant in 5th.).

I decided it was prooooobably a tranny problem of some sort, and tried double clutching.... it did alleviate alot of the problems like popping and that sort of thing, but Im still sluggish in pretty much any gear, particularly in lower RPMs. Not sure if its related, but in 30 minutes or so of traffic I also noticed I was idling at 1600-1800RPM at any given time.

All in all, its kinda hard for me to describe what the car is doing, but any hints as to what the problem is are greatly appreciated. I think its a synchro issue.... but correct my if im wrong. Also, whatever it is, how safe am I to drive it, and for how long? If I need to swap a transmission, I'm gonna have to find one first.

thanks in advance!

osnap
07-31-2007, 09:13 PM
:thinking:...

RBS
07-31-2007, 09:24 PM
take a video clip or sound clip of the issue, itll help all of us help you better :goodjob:

osnap
07-31-2007, 09:27 PM
honestly, this isnt something i can really capture on video. dont think it would help much. and plus, i dont have a camcorder to use. haha.

blackshine007
07-31-2007, 09:42 PM
Just to be on the safe side, check the fluid in the trans. The fill plug is just about the CV axle on the passenger side. Take the plug out and if no fluid initially comes out, stick your finger in it to at least see if you have any just barely lingering the surface. Make sure you go back with some 20w50 synthetic (better cooling properties with thicker fluid)

CSquared
07-31-2007, 09:47 PM
for the synchros try redline mt fluid... I had a similar grind when shifting into 3rd at higher rpm and it cleared that crap right up.

blackshine007
07-31-2007, 10:10 PM
Hondas don't use manual transmission fluid. they are supposed to use 10w30 engine oil. That Redline mt will be too thick

EmminoDaGreat
07-31-2007, 10:17 PM
actually honda recommends Honda brand Manual trans fluid.

CSquared
07-31-2007, 10:22 PM
Hondas don't use manual transmission fluid. they are supposed to use 10w30 engine oil. That Redline mt will be too thick
lol really?

I guess you learn something new every day.

EmminoDaGreat
07-31-2007, 10:24 PM
Like most fords dont use atf in there manual trans lol :tongue1:

iEvo
07-31-2007, 10:44 PM
yea go with what honda says to go with, transmissions are weird about what u put in them

blackshine007
07-31-2007, 10:48 PM
Like most fords dont use atf in there manual trans lol :tongue1:
That was if those fords had the Mazda transmission. Other than that, that was some of the older model fords from the mid 80's to early 90's (which was mainly most of the RWD trucks and the Ford Probe (1st gen)

RBS
07-31-2007, 11:03 PM
just go pick up some Synchromesh and some Honda MTF and 50/50 mix it :goodjob:

osnap
08-01-2007, 12:54 AM
lol... anywho. Taking it to MSPi tomorrow for a quick diagnostic.

Z0_o6
08-01-2007, 06:22 AM
there is more going on than just synchros.

oh, and you must use Honda MTF. trust me there is a long drawn out rather nerdy sounding reason, but i promise it works.

RBS
08-01-2007, 11:42 AM
^ yah, honda MTF has all these special additives and :blah: that helps your tranny stay in tip top shape

o_bomb
08-01-2007, 01:23 PM
there is more going on than just synchros.

oh, and you must use Honda MTF. trust me there is a long drawn out rather nerdy sounding reason, but i promise it works.


I rather go with GM SECROMESH built for medium heavy duty trucks!! Took care of all my grinding and clanking noise!

osnap
08-01-2007, 05:48 PM
LOL @ all you guys talking about fluids. my fluids were fine. went to MSPi today... turns out one of my motor mounts is just fucked up

EmminoDaGreat
08-01-2007, 10:44 PM
tranny shifted like butter :P too bad the rear mount bolt fell out...

osnap
08-01-2007, 10:48 PM
haha werd. too bad it fell out AGAIN, is more like it :p

SixSquared
08-01-2007, 11:06 PM
she's just letting you know that she misses me ;)