Sentra SE-R vs. Audi A4 vs. VW Golf GTI

[Nissangeek]

So I'm looking for a new car and so far the ones I'm most interested in are a 2002 Sentra SE-R Spec V, a 1997 Audi A4 2.8, and a 2000 Golf GTI VR6. All are manual, and all are in the same nieghborhood HP wise. They're also all in the same nieghborhood price wise which is one of the main reasons for choosing them. The Audi is AWD which is a plus, but does anyone know what kind of real world mpg they get? Also maintenance; how expensive? The only Volkswagons I've ever worked on were '68 and '72 beetles, so I'm not sure how much work I could do on the car myself. What do ya'll think?

[BobbyFresco]

I would either go with the Vw or the Nissan...The A4 2.8 has very little in the way of aftermarket support......The Vw would probably be right on par with the Nissan but in the longrun, the Vw would be more on maintainance not to mention aftermarket parts are a little more costly......

Good luck with any one that you choose though...

[Kyle]

My moms Audit A6 2.8 Quattro got about 20 mpg. But my suggestions stay away from early 2.8 A4's. My sister had one (which she just sold today) and repairs were expensive and frequent. I would go with a later A4 if anything.

If your going to get a GTI VR6 get an 02+. 24 valves>12 valves. As for maintenance I have had around 600 in maintenance in the 3 years I have owned my GTI.

Hope that helps.

[Fr33way]

The Golf is the best out of those less than desirable choices.

[Maniaç]

Id go with the A4 1.8T Quattro. Why do you want the NA one?

[OneSlow5pt0]

Golf.......isnt that bout BMW 540 $$,id go with that for a sedan

[Maniaç]

toad, what does the Golf have that the Audi doesn't?

[Kyle]

Hey faggots. GTI not Golf. That is all.

[sleepys4]

I would go with a4 but the 1.8t. Easy to work on and has the best potential. If you are stuck on those get the sentra. The 2.8's are shitty .

[OneSlow5pt0]

toad, what does the Golf have that the Audi doesn't?

lol.........idk,i just like golf more...i could careless bout VW/audi

[Maniaç]

lol.........idk,i just like golf more...i could careless bout VW/audilol. So you just went for what "you" like. Not what this guy was asking for.... No0b

[Maniaç]

I would go with a4 but the 1.8t. Easy to work on and has the best potential. If you are stuck on those get the sentra. The 2.8's are shitty .Exactly, but if he does go with the sentra. Don't go with the 02. They're the ones with the weakest trannys, go with an 03 or 04. Im sure the 05-06's are still hard to find cheap.

[OneSlow5pt0]

lol. So you just went for what "you" like. Not what this guy was asking for.... No0b


dont hate.......like i said id take a BMW 540 for a sedan and the money

[Maniaç]

dont hate.......like i said id take a BMW 540 for a sedan and the moneyHating? Ok, moron. Get what you want, no one gives a shit.

[mocha latte cupcake]

spec V all day! had a 03 loved it, they are "meant to be man handled" so if you want something silky and refined and something that is basically a silky road drive but doesn't come with a LSD then get a golf *hehe kyle* but i'd prefer a spec V, but thats me. 1.8t is a great engine though, no lsd, and expensive repairs

[OneSlow5pt0]

Hating? Ok, moron. Get what you want, no one gives a shit.

touche..............:ninja:

[sleepys4]

The 1.8t has a upside that the Sentra does not, a blind man could work on it. Sentra not so much.

[Maniaç]

spec V all day! had a 03 loved it, they are "meant to be man handled" so if you want something silky and refined and something that is basically a silky road drive but doesn't come with a LSD then get a golf *hehe kyle* but i'd prefer a spec V, but thats me. 1.8t is a great engine though, no lsd, and expensive repairsI did do alot of research on V's back in the day. Not quick enough, but heard they handle very well. What all did you have done to it. Besides a riced out body-kit?

[Julio]

I would choose the Spec V.. but an 03.. They are fun cars.. handle great.. the 03 was the best year and best looking..

I def miss mines...even though it was stock...

[mocha latte cupcake]

I did do alot of research on V's back in the day. Not quick enough, but heard they handle very well. What all did you have done to it. Besides a riced out body-kit?

aem intake
HS header
Downpipe extension
GReddy EVO2 cat back
Balance shaft removal
UR crank pulley

^as far as power went^

HAD cams, APEXi SAFC2, Stillen Big Brake Kit, VIS carbon trunk, Stainless lines on order from my sponser, but then stupid lil 16 yr old girls pulled out in front of me and i t boned that bitch and her ricey ass civic @ 70! :tongue1: totalled my baby, and a week from her first show.... :cry:

[Fr33way]

Hey faggots. GTI not Golf. That is all.

Don't be an idiot.

[Kyle]

Don't be an idiot.
Explain yourself.

[Fr33way]

Explain yourself.

Because the car is marketed as only "GTI" today has no relevance to the the GTI being a variant of the Golf model while GTI itself was a variant of the Rabbit (original) model.

[Kyle]

Because the car is marketed as "GTI" has no relevance to the the GTI being a variant of the Golf model while GTI itself was a variant of the Rabbit (original) model.
I see what you are saying.....but its a GTI. Plain and simple.

[Fr33way]

So what's a Volkswagen Golf TDI? A TDI? It's a Golf.

[Fr33way]

Please don't make yourself look (any more) like you have no idea about your own car.

[Kyle]

So what's a Volkswagen Golf TDI? A TDI? It's a Golf.
Horrible comparison. Its still a base golf.

Please don't make yourself look (any more) like you have no idea about your own car.
I know plenty about my car, nothing I have done has suggested otherwise. Simply because I refuse to call my car a golf has absolutely no bearing on my knowledge of VW"s. It's a golf gti sure but why call it a golf. If you had an SRT4 would you say "I drive a neon" or "I drive an SRT4"? The list can go on.

[Fr33way]

Do me a favor and scan your title/reg. I'll wait.

It's like saying I drive a Nissan SE. Seriously.

[Kyle]

Do me a favor and scan your title/reg. I'll wait.

It's like saying I drive a Nissan SE. Seriously.
No its not. Horrible comparison once again. Keep trying.

[Fr33way]

It's not trying. Saying your car is not a Golf is just as assinine as me saying my car is not a Maxima, it's an SE. Get real man.

[Kyle]

It's not trying. Saying your car is not a Golf is just as assinine as me saying my car is not a Maxima, it's an SE. Get real man.
Just checked my registration says Volkswagen GTI. :goodjob:

Note: It does not say Golf GTI, or Golf/GTI. It says VW GTI.

[Fr33way]

Scanning is fine with me.

[Kyle]

Scanning is fine with me.
I'll do it tomorrow. I have to wakeup for work in 5 hours.

[Fr33way]

I'll just skip a bunch more posts and take the 48% side of people on a VW website.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1055236

[BB6dohcvtec]

wow freeway i am pretty sure you lost this one give it up.......back on topic overall my choice would be the spec-v :goodjob: friend had on and it nice pretty quick on the top-end

[Kyle]

I'll just skip a bunch more posts and take the 48% side of people on a VW website.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1055236
Look through all the shit you want man. First it was well the gti is a variant of the golf. Then it was look at your registration. Now its look at vw vortex. Notice the recurring them of you being wrong?

[Fr33way]

I'll do it tomorrow. I have to wakeup for work in 5 hours.

No need. I am suprised I have to say. Either way saying the car in your signature is not a Golf is exactly like someone saying they drive an SE-R. Because the SE-R is just NOT an Altima LOLz.

[Kyle]

No need. I am suprised I have to say. Either way saying the car in your signature is not a Golf is exactly like someone saying they drive an SE-R. Because the SE-R is just NOT an Altima LOLz.
Its a Golf GTI. But I call it a GTI, so does the state of GA. :goodjob:

[Fr33way]

Look through all the shit you want man. First it was well the gti is a variant of the golf. Then it was look at your registration. Now its look at vw vortex. Notice the recurring them of you being wrong?

I wouldn't really expect someone with an automatic Golt GTI 1.8T to understand nomenclature or model history so I would say that yes, I have wasted my time here.

[Fr33way]

Its a Golf GTI. But I call it a GTI, so does the state of GA. :goodjob:

Haha dude, what you call it and what it is are two different things. I could care less if you call it RedDevil L33t edition.

[Kyle]

I wouldn't really expect someone with an automatic Golt GTI 1.8T to understand nomenclature or model history so I would say that yes, I have wasted my time here.
Hahaha. Wow if all else fails find something new to attack. Your argument failed so all you have left is to attack my car. Your intelligence and maturity is certainly not your strong point is it?

I could easily rip on the "modded" volvo but I am above that.

[Fr33way]

Who is ripping? I like VW/Audi and the chicks I know with automatics love them.

Say what you want about any of my cars past or present, why would you think that would matter at all? BTW why hasn't your slushbox sold?

[Kyle]

Who is ripping? I like VW/Audi and the chicks I know with automatics love them.

Say what you want about any of my cars past or present, why would you think that would matter at all? BTW why hasn't your slushbox sold?
K whatever.

BTW: It is being sold this week if everything checks out. Thanks for being concerned.

You= Failure. God you are like 0-10 today.

Edit: Again very mature. You lost an argument and instead of ever admitting it you just attack my shit. Grow up man.

Another Edit: I'm going to sleep.

[Fr33way]

Wow. All this because you need to call your car a GTI instead of a Golf GTI? Attack? This is the INTERNET man, because I disagree with you I am attacking you?

How is anything I said an attack? Chicks don't drive 1.8Ts? most chicks don't drive automatics? Your car isn't automatic? I actually have been suprised that the car hadn't sold.

You had already stated that GTI is what YOU call it, which is irrelevant to what it is.

[BB6dohcvtec]

lol at freeway still trying to argue after getting owned

[Fr33way]

Yeah, that burns. Because someone calls their car something means that I (and pretty much any of the VW/Audi guys I know) are wrong. Including Volkswagen the company.

[Fr33way]

In closing....

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/112_0309_frnk_ggt_40_z.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/112_0309_frnk_ggt_39_z.jpg

[Fr33way]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/86129857_4e604fbabc.jpg?v=0

Why would they put Golf on that? It's teh Volkswagen R32 isn't it?

[Nissangeek]

Fr33way, you're a dumb fuck. GTFO of my thread shit for brains. To everyone else, thanx for the input. I went and test drove an SE-R SpecV yesterday and it was ok. My Honda is actually a little faster and shifts better but I think the Sentra was a little stiffer in the corners. To Maniac, I want the N/A cause I already pay way too much for insurance and the turbo car will make it go higher. I do like the 1.8T more though.

[bdydrpdmazda]

spec V

[Fr33way]

Fr33way, you're a dumb fuck. GTFO of my thread shit for brains. To everyone else, thanx for the input. I went and test drove an SE-R SpecV yesterday and it was ok. My Honda is actually a little faster and shifts better but I think the Sentra was a little stiffer in the corners. To Maniac, I want the N/A cause I already pay way too much for insurance and the turbo car will make it go higher. I do like the 1.8T more though.

LOL. Make sure you only call the Spec V just that, not a Sentra.

Try to see if the car has had the header/precat issue cleared up as well as the intake manifold bolts threaded with loctite if you do chose a Spec.

[.gauge.]

spec V all day! had a 03 loved it, they are "meant to be man handled" so if you want something silky and refined and something that is basically a silky road drive but doesn't come with a LSD then get a golf *hehe kyle* but i'd prefer a spec V, but thats me. 1.8t is a great engine though, no lsd, and expensive repairs

What he said. I haven't owned a spec v but I've driven a few.

[bdydrpdmazda]

I had an 03 Spec V and loved it but when I came accross the STi I knew it was time to move on.

[DeutscheBAG!]

URGH!! so u guys can quit barking back and forth like 2 lil yorkies

GTI was two door only, with GLS or GLX trim, 1.8L or 2.8L engines, suspension, and seats.
Golf was two door GL or four door GLS, 2.0L, 1.9L, or 1.8L (GLS only) engines, sport suspension optional on GLS with 1.8L engine.

GTI is how the Golf coupe is marketed in North America. All the Golfs sold here have 4 doors, all the GTIs have 2. Currently, the stronger engines (VR6, 1.8t, r32) are only offered in the GTI and the economy engines (TDI, 2.slow) are all that are offered in the Golf.
Because of the stronger engines, the GTIs also gett brake and suspension upgrades.
Same chassis, most of the samebody parts (except the back doors).
The GTI is just a Golf that's badged different here in the US b/c they didn't think a Golf GTI would sell.

Goto the rest of the world and it's called a Golf GTI.

[Fr33way]

Agreed. But the turbo engine is a 2.0L in this generation. You are totally correct in that they dropped the Golf name in the US market for marketing purposes.

[Maniaç]

Kyle finally owned someone. Congrats.

[ksinao]

Fr33way, you're a dumb fuck.

well said

but, spec v ftw

[Big J]

I'm going to say go with the Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V.

[B18c-rex]

Audi FTMW . Awd owns at the light to light scenario . And I here that the cars are quick with just a few bolt ons . Plus how nice the interior is cant beat that imo

[Kyle]

Audi FTMW . Awd owns at the light to light scenario . And I here that the cars are quick with just a few bolt ons . Plus how nice the interior is cant beat that imo
1.8T's are quick with a few boltons but its hard to get good hp for the money on a 2.8.

Kyle finally owned someone. Congrats.
Haha.

[MR. 200SX]

I love Nissan but I wouldn't even let my worst enemy buy one. JUNK > QR25DE

[fox]

wow freeway i am pretty sure you lost this one give it up.......back on topic overall my choice would be the spec-v :goodjob: friend had on and it nice pretty quick on the top-end

SpecV's are NOT nice on the top end.

[DeutscheBAG!]

Audi FTMW . Awd owns at the light to light scenario . And I here that the cars are quick with just a few bolt ons . Plus how nice the interior is cant beat that imo


except for the 2.8V6 B5 a4's.. they're about as fast as old people fucking :bannana:

[AnTi-PooN]

se-r definately its way cooler and they are pretty quick

[Ran]

If you're going for a Spec V, get an 03+ as the 02 models had a lot of engine problems.


I love Nissan but I wouldn't even let my worst enemy buy one. JUNK > QR25DEThe QR25DE suffers from small issues. The precat is an easy replace as everyone and their grandmother upgrades to an aftermarket header anyway. The gain/$$$ ratio is very good. The only other issue the engine had was the TB butterfly screws. A little locktite and problem solved. Also, when boosted, these cars can beat EVO's. People need to quit trying to compare the QR25DE to the SR20DE as they're two completely seperate powerplants.

EDIT: Post edited due to my lack of reading skills.

[wunquikser]

i'd say get a old school se-r and swap in a sr20ve and b done with..low 14's - high 13's in the 1/4 already bone stock..you wont be dissapointed