lighter wheels do they really help out?

[SE-Rious©]

I've got a friend whom has light wheels under 9lbs a peice.
he has a pretty quick car.however i felt the car w/stock 14inch del-sol wheels and it feels basically the same as it does now w/the lighter wheels.my question is are they really worth buying.do they help in drag or more in autocross type racing ? just alitte curious before i plan to buy some expensive wheels for no reason.

thanks.:goodjob:

[Hulud]

anything to lighten the car will make it quicker

its simple physics, less mass to move with the same power will always be quicker

[SE-Rious©]

anything to lighten the car will make it quicker

its simple physics, less mass to move with the same power will always be quicker i know the lighter the better,but i wasn't sure if lighter wheels caused problems like wheel hop or something similar to this.thanks for the input

[2.0civic]

changes how much weight the suspension is binding also

[Hulud]

i know the lighter the better,but i wasn't sure if lighter wheels caused problems like wheel hop or something similar to this.thanks for the input
how much power are you putting down?

[changaroo]

lighter wheels is equivalent to shaving some weight off the car i believe...

[IDCoconut]

Removing as much as a single POUND of rotating mass from your wheels/tires/brake assembly is as good as adding power. One of the most overlooked aspects in automobiles.

Ever picked up a Porsche magnesium lugnut? it weighs about as much as a pencil.

[koukis14]

Removing unsprung weight does wonders.

[ridgeline_06]

Thats why on bikes ppl use 520 chains instead of 530 or 532 and get magenisum wheels

[sleepys4]

Using light wheels, under 8lbs, almost like getting a lighter flywheel or something. I mean turning 18lbs wheels=tires, then turning 8lbs wheel plus tires. Big difference in rotating mass.

[On_Her_Face]

heres my question does an fastass person run faster than a fit person?

[dimer4life]

Here's my question. Is a lighter car always faster when racing downhill against a heavier one?

[David88vert]

Here's my question. Is a lighter car always faster when racing downhill against a heavier one?

No, not always, there are a number of additional factors to consider.

[IDCoconut]

Here's my question. Is a lighter car always faster when racing downhill against a heavier one?

If it's the same car, with the same amount of power, same gearing, and same wheels and tires, but with a difference of a fatass in one and a lindsey lohan on the other, then the lighter car wins. The only difference is the heavier car has more momentum at the same speed compared to the lighter car, meaning it will be harder to stop.

Don't think free-fall here. That's just one factor. Your car's acceleration is a BIG factor and a lighter car with the same amount of power and gearing as another will always accelerate faster. Considering you have 2 "perfect" drivers.

[myyellowspec]

We all know lindsay lohan is a "perfect" driver lol.

[speedminded]

Throw on some ankle weights...takes alot more effort to move doesn't it?

You have to determine what you're willing to spend and how much you're willing to throw away. You can run a 8.5lb magnesium SSR Comp on the street but the first pot hole or road plate you encounter will make it look like a melted clock in a Salvador Dali painting. Tracks normally don't have those obstructions therefore it's safer to run a lighter more malleable wheel.

[Humphrizzle]

take a 12 lb wheel and add the tire weight which is about 10 more pounds.

multiply that time pi and thats how much strain and weight is put on the motor.

lesson:
yes, it IS good to have light wheels

[speedminded]

take a 12 lb wheel and add the tire weight which is about 10 more pounds.

multiply that time pi and thats how much strain and weight is put on the motor.

lesson:
yes, it IS good to have light wheelsHuh? The weight times pi = what?


Velocity = circumference x rpm OR Velocity = diameter x pi x rpm OR Velocity = 2 x radius x pi x rpm

Momentum = Mass x Velocity

[WhiteAccord]

I hate math...

[Humphrizzle]

a very easy way to remember it is the way of considering the weight of the wheel and tire x pi.

22lb wheel and tire x 3.14... =69.08lbs

thats actually how much weight it takes to turn the front wheels.

[speedminded]

a very easy way to remember it is the way of considering the weight of the wheel and tire x pi.

22lb wheel and tire x 3.14... =69.08lbs

thats actually how much weight it takes to turn the front wheels.How does weight correspond with pi? :thinking: You're missing several variables and pi will never be used with weight, you would only used it to determine the circumference of a wheel & tire to determine the mass...

Don't you mean torque required to turn the wheel?


http://www.mini2.com/forum/wheels-tyres-suspension-brakes/21269-0-60-simplified-wheel-physics-garfields-wheel-test.html

http://www.mini2.com/forum/engine-drivetrain-tuning/14738-spreadsheet-blows-lid-off-lightweight-wheel-debate.html

[josh green]

Throw on some ankle weights...takes alot more effort to move doesn't it?

You have to determine what you're willing to spend and how much you're willing to throw away. You can run a 8.5lb magnesium SSR Comp on the street but the first pot hole or road plate you encounter will make it look like a melted clock in a Salvador Dali painting. Tracks normally don't have those obstructions therefore it's safer to run a lighter more malleable wheel.
The lighter wheels are only that light b/c they go through a much more intense manufacturing process. They are typically designed for strength and that allows them to be lighter. A 14lbs rota will fold over WAY before any 8.6lbs Volk wheel would. Its a much more costly process to make and I am sure its a much higher quality metal as well. A real forged wheel should have no problem against a pot hole.

[speedminded]

You are extremely incorrect. The lighter wheels are only that light b/c they go through a much more intense manufacturing process. A 14lbs rota will fold over WAY before any 8.6lbs Volk wheel would. Its a much more costly process to make and I am sure its a much higher quality metal as well. A real forged wheel should have no problem against a pot hole.How many sets of 8.5lbs wheels have you driven on? I can let you look at a dozen SSR's from the racecars and let you decide for yourself. Although operating temperature of the wheel is much higher on the track than the street they are soft and they bend extremely easily...a cast alloy wheel like a rota will bend very little before it just cracks.

[SPOOLIN]

ive never seen an SSR that was forged on the outer edge? I dont really care about those wheels though so i may have missed them.

[Humphrizzle]

you know your shit and i've been up since 2 yesterday afternoon..

no sleep yet so i'll explain myself after i've slept.

[josh green]

How many sets of 8.5lbs wheels have you driven on? I can let you look at a dozen SSR's from the racecars and let you decide for yourself. Although operating temperature of the wheel is much higher on the track than the street they are soft and they bend extremely easily...a cast alloy wheel like a rota will bend very little before it just cracks.
I though tyou were using the SSR as an example. I have seen plenty of volks take a huge beating and they look perfectly fine. I do recall people saying that the SSR's were a little soft, but I dont care for any of their wheels anyway. Look at the new Volk RE30's, the 15x7 weighs 8.6lbs and is 30% stronger than the CE28's at the same weight. Forged wheels are made strong and I have a hard time believeing that street driving would do any harm. You are correct about the cast wheels cracking, I had some 15x7 slips and I hit a curb around 40mph and it cracked the lip and would not seal anymore.


Anytime yo free up weight things are going to react faster. The car will have a slight gain in power but its not going to be something that you will really notice. You probably would feel the difference getting back on throttle coming out of a turn or something. But no mad v-tec power.

[Allstar3.8T]

Light wheels help acceleration, but can hinder top end speed because the car must constantly pull them, and do not have the mass to maintain momentum as well as a little heavier wheel will.

Try this exercise, hold your arm out and spin a ribbon or string 24" long as fast as you can. Now attach 2 pennies to the ribbon/string end. The lighter one got to full speed faster, the one w/ pennies got to a faster full speed and was harder to slow/had better speed maintenance.
There more to speed that light weight and whp.

[Sport1.3]

IMO you Also have to take braking into consideration. a lighter wheel will slow the car down MUCH faster. Sometimes too fast. I've run into plenty of wheels that simply didnt work with the car because they narrowed my braking ability. Too light and they lock up, too heavy and its like stopping a train. You have to find the best meduim that fits with your car and driving style...not simply the lightest wheel you can throw on the car

[speedminded]

IMO you Also have to take braking into consideration. a lighter wheel will slow the car down MUCH faster. Sometimes too fast. I've run into plenty of wheels that simply didnt work with the car because they narrowed my braking ability. Too light and they lock up, too heavy and its like stopping a train. You have to find the best meduim that fits with your car and driving style...not simply the lightest wheel you can throw on the carBrakes are only as good as your tires ;)

[Sport1.3]

Brakes are only as good as your tires ;)

Tell that to my Tech R-A's when I flat spot the shit out of them running my Miata hollow spokes (14" 10lbs) at speeds no greater then 60mph on stock 89 brakes with Porterfield pads lol....when I use the 11.5 lb (15") Enkie Super lights I don’t have this problem. I can go much deeper/harder into the pedal without full lock up...anything else on the miatas requires me to adjust the braking proportions and results in slower times. Though admittedly this only may pertain to my specific driving style. Same tire patch (205)

[Nissangeek]

If it's the same car, with the same amount of power, same gearing, and same wheels and tires, but with a difference of a fatass in one and a lindsey lohan on the other, then the lighter car wins. The only difference is the heavier car has more momentum at the same speed compared to the lighter car, meaning it will be harder to stop.

Don't think free-fall here. That's just one factor. Your car's acceleration is a BIG factor and a lighter car with the same amount of power and gearing as another will always accelerate faster. Considering you have 2 "perfect" drivers.

Actually in a free fall they would fall at the same rate (in a vacuum where there is no friction, wind, etc.) b/c gravity pulls everything toward the center of the earth at the same rate; 9.8 m/s.

[UpSideDownDesi]

i am hoping you have already done lighter fly and crank pully.

[DinanM3atl]

Does it make a difference? Yes it does?


Can 99% of the drivers on this board feel the difference from going from a 22lb wheel and 30 lb tire to a 17lb wheel and 30lb tire? Probably not. You also have to consider from just walking around and noticing that there are a large portion of lightwheight wheel owners out there that have the cheap shitty crap tires on their car. They shaved 4 lbs per wheel and picked up 3 or 4 lbs per tire.

Save 2 lbs per corner with wheels and run a lap around a real track. DOUBTFUL you shave off much time if at all.

[DinanM3atl]

Tell that to my Tech R-A's when I flat spot the shit out of them running my Miata hollow spokes (14" 10lbs) at speeds no greater then 60mph on stock 89 brakes with Porterfield pads lol....when I use the 11.5 lb (15") Enkie Super lights I don’t have this problem. I can go much deeper/harder into the pedal without full lock up...anything else on the miatas requires me to adjust the braking proportions and results in slower times. Though admittedly this only may pertain to my specific driving style. Same tire patch (205)

Try a real tire...

RA1/Pilot sport cup/New Yokohama R comp/etc

[speedminded]

Try a real tire...

RA1/Pilot sport cup/New Yokohama R comp/etcGot a set of Hoosier slicks next to my car now :ninja:

[DinanM3atl]

Got a set of Hoosier slicks next to my car now :ninja:

he wasn't talking about slicks... I believe the Avon(read shitty) Tech R A is an R comp like tire correct?

[RISKYB]

unless you are really counting thos hundreths on your time slips, why worry about it get what you want, your paying for it

[speedminded]

unless you are really counting thos hundreths on your time slips, why worry about it get what you want, your paying for itA few lbs on each wheel makes a HUGE differance with driving.

[Sport1.3]

he wasn't talking about slicks... I believe the Avon(read shitty) Tech R A is an R comp like tire correct?

LOL...the are a Nationally successful Competition tire.

[DinanM3atl]

A few lbs on each wheel makes a HUGE differance with driving.

i disagree...

I have stock contours at 22 lbs each

How much time you think just a set of Kosei's at 17lbs is going to make... I bet maybe 1 sec AT THE MOST around RA...

[DinanM3atl]

LOL...the are a Nationally successful Competition tire.

Lot's of people drive Chevy's too... doesn't mean it is good...

I have yet to see an Avon tire on one single car at any BMW/PCA/AUDI event yet...

[speedminded]

i disagree...

I have stock contours at 22 lbs each

How much time you think just a set of Kosei's at 17lbs is going to make... I bet maybe 1 sec AT THE MOST around RA...Never said improvement in time, just driveablility is completely differant -- ESPECIALLY in cars that are under 200whp

[DinanM3atl]

Never said improvement in time, just driveablility is completely differant -- ESPECIALLY in cars that are under 200whp

Oh I try not to drive sub 200hp cars on the track ;)

PLUS... Fuck HP...

Torque makes the car move ;)

[speedminded]

Oh I try not to drive sub 200hp cars on the track ;)

PLUS... Fuck HP...

Torque makes the car move ;)The Del Slo's will still out run M3's at RA :tongue:

[DinanM3atl]

The Del Slo's will still out run M3's at RA :tongue:

Which one's?

Mine? Woopdy do

[speedminded]

Which one's?

Mine? Woopdy doWhat's the best time on any non-GT spec you've seen?

[iEvo]

why are race cars made out of CF and not iron???? i dont really know

[DinanM3atl]

why are race cars made out of CF and not iron???? i dont really know

Wow that was really intelligent!!!

[DinanM3atl]

What's the best time on any non-GT spec you've seen?

Fuck man I don't know. Just busting your chops

[speedminded]

Fuck man I don't know. Just busting your chopsme too :tongue:

since you're here, what do you think '98 540i/6 > '00 325i/5?

[Sport1.3]

Lot's of people drive Chevy's too... doesn't mean it is good...

I have yet to see an Avon tire on one single car at any BMW/PCA/AUDI event yet...


LOL, you're one of those guys. Avon is a mostly British tire company, and relatively new to the US market. It is the Parent company of Cooper Tires. They've run them competitively in everything from "isle of Man" to American Champ Car series to Formula Ford to Formula Palmer Audi to British Saloon Cahmpionships to UK production Bike Championships and so on....hell Avon is now the title sponsor and control tire supplier of the prestigious British GT Championship. Maybe you should broaden your horizons a little…might save you some hard earned money in the process

[speedminded]

LOL, you're one of those guys. Avon is a mostly British tire company, and relatively new to the US market. It is the Parent company of Cooper Tires. They've run them competitively in everything from "isle of Man" to American Champ Car series to Formula Ford to Formula Palmer Audi to British Saloon Cahmpionships to UK production Bike Championships and so on....hell Avon is now the title sponsor and control tire supplier of the prestigious British GT Championship. Maybe you should broaden your horizons a little…might save you some hard earned money in the processConvince a German car owner to use a Britich tire? Good luck! :tongue:

[DieselNuts]

if your driving a honda, yes. They will work wonders. Hondas need the lightest parts made because they make negative torque...

[speedminded]

if your driving a honda, yes. They will work wonders. Hondas need the lightest parts made because they make negative torque...I can get Hoosier D.O.T. radials sets at a time, 50 tread wear and weigh next to nothing. ;)

[Sport1.3]

Convince a German car owner to use a Britich tire? Good luck! :tongue:


Dont get me started on CCA elitists :lmfao:

[DinanM3atl]

Dont get me started on CCA elitists :lmfao:


Was waiting for it!!!

BMW owners on IA are elitest without ever meeting me. hahahah :2up:

I run Kumho MX on the street and the Advan a048 or RS2 from Hankook on the track. How am I an "elitest"? because I don't want a tire made by cooper? I don't want a dunlop or a continental either. So what am I know?

Oh yah and my e30 has Falken RT615s



Jason get the 5 series man. Fucking BEAST!!!!

[Sport1.3]

Was waiting for it!!!

BMW owners on IA are elitest without ever meeting me. hahahah :2up:

I run Kumho MX on the street and the Advan a048 or RS2 from Hankook on the track. How am I an "elitest"? because I don't want a tire made by cooper? I don't want a dunlop or a continental either. So what am I know?

Oh yah and my e30 has Falken RT615s



Jason get the 5 series man. Fucking BEAST!!!!

I never said anything about the other BMW owners of IA, Just laughed at Jason’s joke and the Stigma CCA members hold toward Elitism. I deal with CCA members quite often in my line of work, and more often then not they have a very opinioned nature about them. You compared the tire to the likes of a Chevy, in which the comment was contrived in a demeaning nature, and you did so without even knowing anything about the tire or the company :lmfao: ...yeah no elitists here. Facts are their tires are very competitive across the globe... The tires you use are also very good, but at almost twice the price. I won’t stop you from wasting your money

[Ran]

I have General Exclaims... :ninja:

[Big Baller]

Light wheels help acceleration, but can hinder top end speed because the car must constantly pull them, and do not have the mass to maintain momentum as well as a little heavier wheel will.

Stupid statement....and its not true.

Heavier wheels do not make the car go faster on the top end. Momentum only carries the wheel farther once it has stopped accelerating. Until you lift off the gas the wheel is in a constant state of acceleration.

[Allstar3.8T]

Lot's of people drive Chevy's too... doesn't mean it is good...

I have yet to see an Avon tire on one single car at any BMW/PCA/AUDI event yet...
Side note, are you the dude at the 4 seasons car wash on 124 s'ville that races 3 series?

[Allstar3.8T]

Stupid statement....and its not true.

Heavier wheels do not make the car go faster on the top end. Momentum only carries the wheel farther once it has stopped accelerating. Until you lift off the gas the wheel is in a constant state of acceleration.

Not worth explaining, I agree acceleration is generally limited to the force behind it for this conversation and the fact we are talking a tiny amount of gain, the truth is over a long distance, the salt flats for instance, there is a difference, street speeds/distances or not.

[Big Baller]

Not worth explaining, I agree acceleration is generally limited to the force behind it for this conversation and the fact we are talking a tiny amount of gain, the truth is over a long distance, the salt flats for instance, there is a difference, street speeds/distances or not.

You don't have to explain.....Youre fucking wrong.

Its always easier to accelerate less mass... if you think other wise you are just retarded

Force = Mass x acceleration

Less Mass = more acceleration

That is all there is to it

[TopSpeedInc]

1lb less unsprung weight is like taking 10lbs out of the vehicle's weight. So if you switch to wheels that are 5lbs lighter at each corner it would be like taking 50lbs of weight out of the car. Hardly enough to actually feel a difference in acceleration. The real gains come in the fact that the cars suspension and brakes do not have to work as hard making thing happen in a more precise manner.

[speedminded]

1lb less unsprung weight is like taking 10lbs out of the vehicle's weight. So if you switch to wheels that are 5lbs lighter at each corner it would be like taking 50lbs of weight out of the car. Hardly enough to actually feel a difference in acceleration. The real gains come in the fact that the cars suspension and brakes do not have to work as hard making thing happen in a more precise manner.haha, not feel 200lbs....you haven't driven a vehicle with less than 200hp in a while have you? :tongue:

[TopSpeedInc]

haha, not feel 200lbs....you haven't driven a vehicle with less than 200hp in a while have you? :tongue: Sorry math owns me (5 x 4)10 = 200lbs. In that case yes you would feel a difference.

[DinanM3atl]

Side note, are you the dude at the 4 seasons car wash on 124 s'ville that races 3 series?

Not me :)


company :lmfao: ...yeah no elitists here. Facts are their tires are very competitive across the globe... The tires you use are also very good, but at almost twice the price. I won’t stop you from wasting your money

I am wasting my money says who? You? So some series use the tire? Means it is awesome? I can't seem to find any F1 cars. When I worked at Fall-Line in Chicago and we built two Grand Am Cup M3s I can say no Avon's went on them. PTG raced M3s all on Yokohama.

I am not saying they are bad but I am going with items that I know work and are backed up with winning race teams. Not open spec series.

[IDCoconut]

Actually in a free fall they would fall at the same rate (in a vacuum where there is no friction, wind, etc.) b/c gravity pulls everything toward the center of the earth at the same rate; 9.8 m/s.

no shit. it's actually 9.81m/s2 :blah:

[Sport1.3]

Not me :)



I am wasting my money says who? You? So some series use the tire? Means it is awesome? I can't seem to find any F1 cars. When I worked at Fall-Line in Chicago and we built two Grand Am Cup M3s I can say no Avon's went on them. PTG raced M3s all on Yokohama.

I am not saying they are bad but I am going with items that I know work and are backed up with winning race teams. Not open spec series.


F1 cars only use Bridgestone due to the new rule and Bridgestone buying the rights as sole tire sponsor

How long ago did you work for them? Avon has just very recently extended their reach to the US market. Like I said, they are GIANTS in the UK. I'm also not saying they are the best tire known to man lol. But when I was called out for not using a "real" tire, something had to be said. Anyway, I’m not here to argue with you...if anything I’d be happy to learn something from a fellow track whore lol. You have pics of those beasts on track?

[speedminded]

F1 cars only use Bridgestone due to the new rule and Bridgestone buying the rights as sole tire sponsor

How long ago did you work for them? Avon has just very recently extended their reach to the US market. Like I said, they are GIANTS in the UK. I'm also not saying they are the best tire known to man lol. But when I was called out for not using a "real" tire, something had to be said. Anyway, I’m not here to argue with you...if anything I’d be happy to learn something from a fellow track whore lol. You have pics of those beasts on track?click threads posted by and there should be several :goodjob:

[speedminded]

F1 cars only use Bridgestone due to the new rule and Bridgestone buying the rights as sole tire sponsor

How long ago did you work for them? Avon has just very recently extended their reach to the US market. Like I said, they are GIANTS in the UK. I'm also not saying they are the best tire known to man lol. But when I was called out for not using a "real" tire, something had to be said. Anyway, I’m not here to argue with you...if anything I’d be happy to learn something from a fellow track whore lol. You have pics of those beasts on track?click his name and find all posted by and there should be several :goodjob: "Scooting Around the track - 56k no chance!"

[Sport1.3]

click his name and find all posted by and there should be several :goodjob: "Scooting Around the track - 56k no chance!"

So just DE/driver schools events?

[DinanM3atl]

So just DE/driver schools events?

Me driving yes... I have only done DE's




Here is the shop I worked at in Chicago...

www.fall-linemotorsports.com (http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com)

can't hot link pics anymore :(

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/E36Lightweight.html#nogo

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/06GAMidO.html

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/TheShop.html

Notice in the shop pics Fall-Line has the last two e46 M3 Motorsport Bare Chassis from BMW :)

There is a lot more. Fun arguement.

Avon Smells ;)

/end thread!

[Sport1.3]

Me driving yes... I have only done DE's




Here is the shop I worked at in Chicago...

www.fall-linemotorsports.com (http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com)

can't hot link pics anymore :(

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/E36Lightweight.html#nogo

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/06GAMidO.html

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/TheShop.html

Notice in the shop pics Fall-Line has the last two e46 M3 Motorsport Bare Chassis from BMW :)

There is a lot more. Fun arguement.

Avon Smells ;)

/end thread!

Nice, so you plan on running Spec E30? I've been looking into an E30 spec car for quite awhile. Just can’t afford to do everything i want lol...plus the GF would murder me in my sleep. I've just got to find another platform for a "more fun to drive" car...and a little extra power wouldn’t hurt either. I’ve been Very into Solo I/II events for awhile due to only "privateer funding" and non-competitive platform lol, But I’ve done a few HPDE's/ Open ITA events, mostly at Roebling.

So did you move out here recently? I work for G-force Racing Gear Here. Wish we were better geared towards actually racing and had possibilities of employee sponsorship lol :crazy: ...we have 20-30 Historic and a couple (closer to) present Day racecars here in the warehouses that just collect dust....makes me sad

They sure do, after a good spin on track lol

[speedminded]

So did you move out here recently? I work for G-force Racing Gear Here. Wish we were better geared towards actually racing and had possibilities of employee sponsorship lol :crazy: ...we have 20-30 Historic and a couple (closer to) present Day racecars here in the warehouses that just collect dust....makes me sadJust sitting there collecting dust?!

[Sport1.3]

Just sitting there collecting dust?!


Yes :( ...got a couple Triad Datsun 240/280's I’d give my left nut to track. But the owner decided he was going to Start Collecting for Historic race/street car Museum. We have ~60-70 cars (most are old Muscle cars) just sitting around here and more at his personal Garage, and get a few more every month. The warehouse guys are lucky enough to have the job of starting and running the cars (not driving) every week!! When the Drag cars start up the whole warehouse shakes lol. Especially the Bob Glidden Probe we have. 1400hp all aluminum 427 to open headers right next to the office entrance :lmfao: . It’s a shame they don’t get used for what they were originally intended, but I can see why he would keep them off track and safe for their obvious value. He does However have a 600+bhp Porsche 924s that is being built in Indiana right now that he has somewhat plans to make trackable (wont hold my breath though). He is building it as a Leman’s replica/street car/weekend toy…..I only wish I had the funding he has

[speedminded]

Yes :( ...got a couple Triad Datsun 240/280's I’d give my left nut to track. But the owner decided he was going to Start Collecting for Historic race/street car Museum. We have ~60-70 cars (most are old Muscle cars) just sitting around here and more at his personal Garage, and get a few more every month. The warehouse guys are lucky enough to have the job of starting and running the cars (not driving) every week!! When the Drag cars start up the whole warehouse shakes lol. Especially the Bob Glidden Probe we have. 1400hp all aluminum 427 to open headers right next to the office entrance :lmfao: . It’s a shame they don’t get used for what they were originally intended, but I can see why he would keep them off track and safe for their obvious value. He does However have a 600+bhp Porsche 924s that is being built in Indiana right now that he has somewhat plans to make trackable (wont hold my breath though). He is building it as a Leman’s replica/street car/weekend toy…..I only wish I had the funding he haserr yeah...sooo...when's he want some photos done? :D I need more content to get my new website going!

[Sport1.3]

err yeah...sooo...when's he want some photos done? :D

Lol, that would be a cool idea given your talent. I'll Have to ask him when he's around next. He's got some normal street cars that will blow your mind. Like a 70' 440-6pack 'Cuda 4 speed in Pink Panther color that has 321 miles on the original clock!!! even more impressive (but on a much less cool car) a 78 ( i believe) Trans-Am that was never Officially Sold and have less then 20 miles on it. Still has all the original plastic covers on the interior pieces as well as the window sticker and dealer plate :goodjob:

[speedminded]

78 ( i believe) Trans-Am that was never Officially Sold and have less then 20 miles on it. Still has all the original plastic covers on the interior pieces as well as the window sticker and dealer plate :goodjob:I swear i saw that on eBay or somewhere once :thinking: can't be too many like it?!

I'm mainly interested in the 240/280's and any sportscar of that era but wouldn't mind shooting a couple muscle cars either. Just show him this one of Jay's 2002 :) (The site is bland with very little info)

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=106821&stc=1

[Sport1.3]

Sure i'll run it by him....though be warned he is a cheapskate. Either way ill try and get some phone pics of the 280 in the warehouse right next me my office so you can see what you'd be working with :)

[man]

Michelin tires are the shit


/convo

[Sport1.3]

Michelin tires are the shit


/convo


Especially for turn 13 at Indianapolis Motorspeedway (US GP) :lmfao:

[Sport1.3]

For you Speedminded:

[speedminded]

For you Speedminded:*sigh* just sitting there :-/ I'd be rocking those at the mitty races :D

[Sport1.3]

*sigh* just sitting there :-/ I'd be rocking those at the mitty races :D


What i wouldnt give to take that to Road ATL. The sound of the engine is just SICK! better then any straight six i've ever heard. The owner however see's it as an investment unfortunately..so it just sits. even the spare wheels beside it (3-4 sets with tires) dont get used. 1 set of the Panasports/tires cost more then my car is worth lol