Sound of Vtec

[Mr.MuayThai]

Ok so my question is. . . I have a d16z6 and I was wandering what cam will make my Vtec More aggressive? I do love the sound! I know this is one stupid question.. .. .. But i really don't care!

[blackshine007]

No cams. Just better Vtec fluid. Part #215865-d16s

[Mr.MuayThai]

No cams. Just better Vtec fluid. Part #215865-d16s

Come on. . . I could use some real information! :tongue1:

[ash7]

^^^agreed

+1 for a kick ass post blackshine :lmfao:


on a serious note, type in "aftermarket cam SOHC" on Google.

the VTEC "sound" is your valves maximizing their lift and duration, in effect bringing your engine to it's full capacity. Just about any "aftermarket upgrade cam" will do this to one degree or another.

The more agressive the cam, the greater the effect. But there are trade-offs, such as driveability, idle, fuel mileage, etc. Choose carefully.

-jonathan

[blackshine007]

Forgive my ignorance on Hondas, but can't you bolt up a ZC head on a D series block? If so, go that route. If not, I hear that You can take some B16 pistons out of a 1st gen Integra and put them in the D16 block. I hear that you raise the compression by alot and with a decent set of cams, you'll outrun any dohc off the line. They'll eventually catch you on top, though

[Mr.MuayThai]

Forgive my ignorance on Hondas, but can't you bolt up a ZC head on a D series block? If so, go that route. If not, I hear that You can take some B16 pistons out of a 1st gen Integra and put them in the D16 block. I hear that you raise the compression by alot and with a decent set of cams, you'll outrun any dohc off the line. They'll eventually catch you on top, though


I didn't know you can take b16 cams and put it into a D series block. . . I donno about that? And the whole part about the ZC head. . . I don't need one, I have a d16z6. It is already Vtec. . . Just need a cam!

[ash7]

the setup you're reffering to, blackshine, is called a "mini me" :)

what you said is mostly true, although i don't think it'd take a B series off the line. Lot's of variables to play with there... mods, engine condition, etc.

-jonathan

[Mr.MuayThai]

^^^agreed

+1 for a kick ass post blackshine :lmfao:


on a serious note, type in "aftermarket cam SOHC" on Google.

the VTEC "sound" is your valves maximizing their lift and duration, in effect bringing your engine to it's full capacity. Just about any "aftermarket upgrade cam" will do this to one degree or another.

The more aggressive the cam, the greater the effect. But there are trade-offs, such as driveability, idle, fuel mileage, etc. Choose carefully.

-jonathan


Yeah i know how Vtec works. . . but i was thinking that if you bought a cam with a bigger Vtec lobe it would make it more aggressive? Or would i have to do some valve work? What kinda cam would you recommend?

[ash7]

It is already Vtec. . . Just need a cam!

In order to take full advantage of a StgII or III camshaft, you're going to need more than just a cam... highly agressive cams will not work well at all with stock compression. You'll need to raise the comp in one way or another to see your max. hp output increase a noticeable amount. :yes:

BUT, if the "sound" is all you're wanting... cam away and rice it up.

-jonathan

*edit* and do not forget to upgrade your valvetrain. If you're on a limited budget with only one car; snapped valvesprings are the things nightmares are made out of.

-go read up on www.d-series.org. that's where the SOHC gurus hang out.

[blackshine007]

I was told by a guy that you have a broader range of tq with that set up. I met the guy down at the V. He drove an EF with a roll cage and refused to go B series

[Mr.MuayThai]

In order to take full advantage of a StgII or III camshaft, you're going to need more than just a cam... highly agressive cams will not work well at all with stock compression. You'll need to raise the comp in one way or another to see your max. hp output increase a noticeable amount. :yes:

BUT, if the "sound" is all you're wanting... cam away and rice it up.

-jonathan

*edit* and do not forget to upgrade your valvetrain. If you're on a limited budget with only one car; snapped valvesprings are the things nightmares are made out of.

-go read up on www.d-series.org. that's where the SOHC gurus hang out.



well thanks, but the sound really isn't all I want. . . I was figuratively speaking, I want the performance but i just wanted to know the best route to take! thanks for the help though!

[changaroo]

u cant really hear vtak on SOHC motors. save the money :)

[GSRteg®]

Oh, yes you can bro oh, yes you can. :yes:




u cant really hear vtak on SOHC motors. save the money :)

[changaroo]

ok fine you can hear the crossover, but you still arent going anywhere :P

anyways to answer the OP's question,

look at comp/ZEX, or maybe even crane. both good companies.

[sleepys4]

Get a better intake manifold. Skunk 2 makes a good one, you can here the crossover better, and you make a shit load more power throughout the power band. Also look in to throttle bodies. As far as cams go i like skunk2, just make sure you get better valve springs and retainers. Not sure how well that stock valves hold up. Also can't you get a different head gasket to increase compression a tad.

[Mr.MuayThai]

Get a better intake manifold. Skunk 2 makes a good one, you can here the crossover better, and you make a shit load more power throughout the power band. Also look in to throttle bodies. As far as cams go i like skunk2, just make sure you get better valve springs and retainers. Not sure how well that stock valves hold up. Also can't you get a different head gasket to increase compression a tad.


Your the man! Im going to start getting this stuff asap! well, once i get my car running! thanks! oh and i don't know about a HG increasing compression but i can look in to it!

[ash7]

I've never seen any single ply headgaskets to "raise" it...

but everyone and their mother sells thicker ones to decrease comp. for boosted applications.

-jonathan

[dickdragon]

use an apex vafc. man that made my vtec sound very loud and scary, but my old car was still very slow.. haha

[crxsiguy]

I've never seen any single ply headgaskets to "raise" it...

but everyone and their mother sells thicker ones to decrease comp. for boosted applications.

-jonathan
You can Buy a Y8 Metal headgasket and remove the middle layer, that increses comp, also if you want a good cam go with Zex, I will try to get the part number for you, but they have a awesome powerband and vtec is Almost as loud a DOHC vtec, also you can use some ZC pistons Or some pistons from a 1st gen integra and that will raise compression nicely.. also its pretty cheap and you can make 150-160 whp easy :goodjob:

[thinkskater]

u cant really hear vtak on SOHC motors. save the money :)


yes u can put a p28 on a oem vx motor. youll hear vtec pop louder then a fucking b16.

[1SOL2NV]

really .... good post .. needed info 2 .....REPS

[BlkCD5]

the only good thing sohc motors have going for them is FI. I priced out a cam and valve spring package for my motor. Yea, $700 including installation for about 20hp. Thats roughly more than a 1/4 turbo setup cost. Consider other alternatives like Nitrous oxide :ninja:

[Codeman1407]

I agree with BlkCD5..

I did alot of research when i had my EF, and this was one of the paths i was gonna take... you should just get your car running, and save for a DOHC... i know you too well Carey, this will make you a lot happier.

besides, if you get antsy, throw in the NOS setup you have...

[Mr.MuayThai]

I agree with BlkCD5..

I did alot of research when i had my EF, and this was one of the paths i was gonna take... you should just get your car running, and save for a DOHC... i know you too well Carey, this will make you a lot happier.

besides, if you get antsy, throw in the NOS setup you have...



LOL! Thanks Cody, I've considered using my NOS kit! 75 shot would do nicely! And of course i would do some minor things like. skunk2 mani, ZC pistons and rods, 255cc injectors, Bigger Throttle body, valves, springs, and retainers, headers, comp cam, and of course a vtec controller! So i have a few things i wanna do to this little motor. This isn't our of my reach at all! what cha think?

[Codeman1407]

sounds good, once you finish, of course your male instincts are going to kick in and you'll want something faster, so get this build done and then get a b16 and build it from the ground up, and take you time. that way if something happens, you'll have a rocket of a b-series to throw in the Egg.

[Mr.MuayThai]

sounds good, once you finish, of course your male instincts are going to kick in and you'll want something faster, so get this build done and then get a b16 and build it from the ground up, and take you time. that way if something happens, you'll have a rocket of a b-series to throw in the Egg.


yeah thats a good idea, but Im thinking of pulling a load and going K series. I was going to get a bike, but i think i like Vtec too much! I think it will cost something like 6 or 7k for the conversion! that will be one sick Eg! I just want all motor right now. . . and maybe boost?

[Codeman1407]

i'm still contemplating a bike... but yeah k series is good too lol.. i want to boost my golf once i pay off the loan and new tranny.. should be cool.

[WillyBigNut]

turbo the D :yes:. I got a skunk2 IM i'll sell you.

[Mr.MuayThai]

i'm still contemplating a bike... but yeah k series is good too lol.. i want to boost my golf once i pay off the loan and new tranny.. should be cool.


Sounds like a plan! good luck!

[motormike40]

forget all motor D's go B series, and if you want a project engine I have a b20 block and a semi built gs-r head.

[Mr.MuayThai]

forget all motor D's go B series, and if you want a project engine I have a b20 block and a semi built gs-r head.

Yeah that is my plan, Im waiting until i get a b18b1 long block and built for LS/Vtec. Or I might just build it for boost? Still unsure, hell i'll do both once i get a stable job and my hatch is running! who knows? I've been wanting a project for sometime now!

[speedminded]

Throw in a stock H22 and you'll be running 13's on street tires ;)


I've seen a few built SOHC's that will out run mild VTEC b-series in a comparable weight car...

[JDM onlyy]

the setup you're reffering to, blackshine, is called a "mini me" :)

what you said is mostly true, although i don't think it'd take a B series off the line. Lot's of variables to play with there... mods, engine condition, etc.

-jonathan

I've seen a Mini-Me kill a B-series off the line and win in the quarter mile. :D
Single cam ZC murdering people off the line too.

Mr. MuayThai, you can use DOHC ZC pistons in your block and it would raise your compression and then get a cam like a crower stage one came, your car would be pretty quick, and you can keep your stock valve train. :goodjob:

[Mr.MuayThai]

I've seen a Mini-Me kill a B-series off the line and win in the quarter mile. :D
Single cam ZC murdering people off the line too.

Mr. MuayThai, you can use DOHC ZC pistons in your block and it would raise your compression and then get a cam like a crower stage one came, your car would be pretty quick, and you can keep your stock valve train. :goodjob:

That is a pretty cheap way to do things? I also was planning to get a sk2 mani or a blox mani, along with bigger injectors and call it a day!

[Turbodude06]

This is all good info... Vtec is fucking addicting isn't it:goodjob:

[Mr.MuayThai]

This is all good info... Vtec is fucking addicting isn't it:goodjob:

No shit! I love it!

[speedminded]

try driving a car with VTEC Killer cams...who needs the engagement anyways?

[Mr.MuayThai]

VTEC kill cams? I think i saw a video on youtube, with a GSR or b16 with those. . . it sounded like ass! But i bet that bitch scoots!

[speedminded]

VTEC kill cams? I think i saw a video on youtube, with a GSR or b16 with those. . . it sounded like ass! But i bet that bitch scoots!Toda VTEC Killer Cams....the primary and seconday lobes are the same so there is no engagement making it idle quite oddly for a 4 cylinder and doesn't exactly run the best off the line but 5-10k rpm's it SCREAMS.

http://www.toda-racing.co.jp/en/product/onemake_e/b16/b16-05.html

[civ97]

If you are looking into a new throttle body, you should try goin with a LS integra TB.

[preferredduck]

i am personally a b-series fan, but a couple of crx w/ a z6 or a mini me give me a run for my money. i have done everything to the outside of the motor and next up is some machine work and cams. i have only heard a couple of sohc's that have an aggressive vtec sound. im getting ready to put a z6 in my hatch, but personallt i love B-series. and i have had both. you could do some mild machine work to your head as well and it would make a world of difference if you had the other parts. i used to have a y8 that was machined and i regret selling it b/c it would already be on my hatch. you can even use some oem honda pistons and rods to raise comp. but that if you are doing a full rebuild.

[preferredduck]

my hatch right now came with the d15b1, 70hp 4sp tranny pos. i swapped the cam to a d15b7, and changed out the ecu and throttle body and that little sucker pegs out at 100mph w/the 4spd. but i cannot wait to get the swap done.