Attn Wal-Mart POS

[USMC_is300]

okay i have had enough with this shit. i am a cool person and hardly ever bash, but this bitch crosed the line. in his or her signature there is a picture
http://www.basetree.com/thumbs5/Fuck_Bush.jpg

this shit pisses me off and is a direct slap in the face to myslef and anyone else that is in the military. Wether you want to admit it or not we do this beacuse its what we believe in. If you have a problem with BUSH then so be it but do not desecrate the american flag by turning it uside down and writing on it.

If that is infact you in the picture then let me be the first to say

FUCK YOU

[stillaneon]

AMEN??

[Crazy Asian]

I mean I hate Bush's idea stuff but why you got to disgrace the American Flag. You might as well put a target sign and let it read "Shoot me I'm a terrorist"

[Maniaç]

lol! i think his sig is fucking cool... he can do what ever the fuck he wants.. why bitch about it?

edit; this thread is gonna turn out fucking sweet!!! lol!!

[Spectic Tank]

Dude, he has the same rights as everyone else in America. He can take whatever pictures he wants, and make any statement he wants too.

Remember, you signed up to protect those rights for ALL of America. Now you wanna call him out on it?

BTW: he never said anything degrading about the military, so I don't see why your panties are in such a bunch. You're not the president.

[stillaneon]

I thought it was illegal to desecratete the flag..

[Ed]

http://www.shotgun-review.com/archives/Fuck%20Bush.jpg
http://www.fabien-claudel.org/modules/upload/upload/fuck_bush.gif

http://stpeteforpeace.org/cop.with.fuck.bush.sign.773wide.jpg
http://newmexico.indymedia.org/uploads/2006/11/georgeassfuck.jpg
http://www.t-shirtbastards.com/images/11/White.jpg
http://www.lukecole.com/Peace/fuck_bush2.jpg
http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2006/03/img_2184.jpg

lol

i like pissing people off.

[DarkPrince10]

ooooo I smell a Debate comming up...
(I wonder how long it will be before an Admin closes this down quick)

[Maniaç]

look at my new sig. lolol!!

[USMC_is300]

he can say fuck bush all they want i just dont apreciate anyone fucking with the flag just as much as flying a plane into a building


if one is to read the constitution it is a federal crime to desecrate the american flag

[Maniaç]

he can say fuck bush all they want i just dont apreciate anyone fucking with the flag just as much as flying a plane into a building


if one is to read the constitution it is a federal crime to desecrate the american flag Cool, fuck bush. now check it.. if its a fucking crime then why do so many americans do it? that right there just shows how fucked up this country is.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

http://blog.chinatimes.com/images/chinatimes_com/justsaymo/1205/FuckBush-Literally.jpg


http://www.lukecole.com/Peace/fuck_bush2.jpg

http://www.etchy.org/images/dyn/6650.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/12/18572847_6c60cfec81.jpg

http://www.americanpatrol.com/BUSH/CARTOONS/POP-UPS/IMAGES/BushEvil-320x350.gif

http://virtus.ath.cx/fuckbush.jpg

[Spectic Tank]

he can say fuck bush all they want i just dont apreciate anyone fucking with the flag just as much as flying a plane into a building


if one is to read the constitution it is a federal crime to desecrate the american flag

I would call what he did an "improvement" but that's just me

[Ed]

nice specvee +1

[USMC_is300]

I would call what he did an "improvement" but that's just me

thats what makes you not an american.

[d993s]

For all you anti-Bush mofos: if it wasn't for Bush, you would probably be dead or fucking your 72 virgin goats right now.
Something to think about, you ungrateful pieces of towelhead-wannabe shit.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

Right back at cha Maniac !

People burn their own country flags ALL the time. DEAL WITH IT. You get your panties in a wad so quick over something stupid. Its just a flag. You dont get up every morning and pray to it, do you? You dont make all the money for the flag? Your not on this Earth because of the flag are you? Thought so.

[JDM onlyy]

lol at this

http://www.americanpatrol.com/BUSH/CARTOONS/POP-UPS/IMAGES/BushEvil-320x350.gif

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

lol at this

http://www.americanpatrol.com/BUSH/CARTOONS/POP-UPS/IMAGES/BushEvil-320x350.gif

I laughed so hard when I saw that, lolol.

[OneSlow5pt0]

u voted for him,so everyone needs to STFU.......if i was pres i wouldnt be doing anything different

[Maniaç]

For all you anti-Bush mofos: if it wasn't for Bush, you would probably be dead or fucking your 72 virgin goats right now.
Something to think about, you ungrateful pieces of towelhead-wannabe shit. david, wtf man? i thought you were cool..

[Maniaç]

u voted for him,so everyone needs to STFU.......if i was pres i wouldnt be doing anything different Wow, and i thought you couldn't be a bigger loser.

[d993s]

david, wtf man? i thought you were cool..

Get rid of that sig before I report your ass to "La Migra", puto.
You're here in America only because of Bush's leniency towards hispanic immigration.

[Killer]

lol! i think his sig is fucking cool... he can do what ever the fuck he wants.. why bitch about it?

edit; this thread is gonna turn out fucking sweet!!! lol!!


what's stupid is, the only reason he can "do what he wants" is because real men fought for this county and for that flag.... just to turn around to little pussy's like yourself and the original signature holder thinking it's cool to disgrace the flag and America as a nation.


If you don't like the president.. do your job and vote.. if you don't like the country get the hell out.

evasive said it best when he said "If you don't want to stand behind our troops, by all means stand in front of them"

Freedom comes with a price point and blank. whether it's a price we pay for our own freedoms or standing up for others.







and with that i'm going home boys. AMERICA FTMTW!!!!!

[OneSlow5pt0]

Wow, and i thought you couldn't be a bigger loser.


i hate u

[Maniaç]

Get rid of that sig before I report your ass to "La Migra", puto.
You're here in America only because of Bush's leniency towards hispanic immigration.lol! wait, thats true... he did do that.. but what about everthing else? bush has fans and haters for a reason..

sending men just to die for nothing! come one man, you cant ignore that.

[d993s]

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!


Ok, who has the Team America links?

[Maniaç]

what's stupid is, the only reason he can "do what he wants" is because real men fought for this county and for that flag.... just to turn around to little pussy's like yourself and the original signature holder thinking it's cool to disgrace the flag and America as a nation.


If you don't like the president.. do your job and vote.. if you don't like the country get the hell out.

evasive said it best when he said "If you don't want to stand behind our troops, by all means stand in front of them"

Freedom comes with a price point and blank. whether it's a price we pay for our own freedoms or standing up for others.







and with that i'm going home boys. AMERICA FTMTW!!!!!

i know all about what happend in the past killer, i don;t need to be reminded.. now look.. this is a free country... which means we can do what ever the fuck we want.. now i think this sig is cool.. and im keeping it..

if you have a problem.. do something.

[VooDooXII]

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BAHAHAHA Maniac...I'll rep you when I can. I've whored out too much.


do not desecrate the american flag

I do agree with that though.

[d993s]

lol! wait, thats true... he did do that.. but what about everthing else? bush has fans and haters for a reason..

sending men just to die for nothing! come one man, you cant ignore that.

Everyone finds reasons to complain, no matter what.
But Bush was by far the best choice at the last elections.
When you become legal, you can vote for Hillary (if she hasn't won the office by then).

[USMC_is300]

lol! wait, thats true... he did do that.. but what about everthing else? bush has fans and haters for a reason..

sending men just to die for nothing! come one man, you cant ignore that.

all you fucking know about the war is what CNN lies to you about i have been there 24 months and believe with out a doubt we need to be there. But i am not here to argue or even try to change your mind. i started this post to get attention of all that there are fucking turds on this sight and you are one of them.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

I have a feeling this thread is gonna be here for a while.

[Maniaç]

Everyone finds reasons to complain, no matter what.
But Bush was by far the best choice at the last elections.
When you become legal, you can vote for Hillary (if she hasn't won the office by then). lol! im not gonna argue with you david...

[OneSlow5pt0]

all you fucking know about the war is what CNN lies to you about i have been there 24 months and believe with out a doubt we need to be there. But i am not here to argue or even try to change your mind. i started this post to get attention of all that there are fucking turds on this sight and you are one of them.

exactly,from all the troops iv talked to..noone is mad at bush..just the hippies in usa

[d993s]

This reminds me of that bumper sticker showing Bush that says "SAVING YOUR ASS, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT"

[USMC_is300]

i bet if he said tommorrow hes legalizing weed and beaners then he would be ther greatest president ever

[Maniaç]

all you fucking know about the war is what CNN lies to you about i have been there 24 months and believe with out a doubt we need to be there. But i am not here to argue or even try to change your mind. i started this post to get attention of all that there are fucking turds on this sight and you are one of them.

call me whatever the fuck you want.. it doesn't affect me in no fucking way.
who gives a shit whats being said over the news.. war alone proves nothing but who has the most power.. bush is an old fucking redneck.. plain and simple..

war + death = pointless.

[Maniaç]

i bet if he said tommorrow hes legalizing weed and beaners then he would be ther greatest president ever yep, but it won't happen so fuck him.

[ShooterMcGavin]

el oh el at this thread, who said the guy in the pic is walmart?

btw, i wish i still lived in america... :( (refer to sig)

[OneSlow5pt0]

only reason people like clinton,is because he cheated on his wife(which aint a good reason)but he was one of the worst presidents..imo

[Maniaç]

el oh el at this thread, who said the guy in the pic is walmart?

btw, i wish i still lived in america... :( (refer to sig) im gonna take a real picture of me doing that... watch.. lolol!!

[JennB]

Seems like people fighting to retain the rights we have in this country would most appreciate the fact that we get to use them. We are allowed to speak our minds, we are allowed to criticize our government. People were fighting and dying for that over 200 years ago and it is not unappreciated.

In this country, we have freedoms that a hell of a lot of people in the rest of the world doesn't have. And one of them is granted to us by the Bill of Rights.

Ammendment 1 - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


We claim that we want to bring freedom to the rest of the world but get so riled up when someone uses that freedom to disagree with us. People are always going to dislike the government, always have and always will. But we're lucky, we have the right to disagree.


A few more quotes that I have always appreciated

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -- Thomas Jefferson

The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object. -- Thomas Jefferson

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. -- Thomas Jefferson




also funny to see people getting so worked up over a random picture off the internet when racist jokes and slurs are so common. It's okay to not be offended by everything.

[ShooterMcGavin]

only reason people like clinton,is because he cheated on his wife(which aint a good reason)but he was one of the worst presidents..imo
that has got to be the MOST retarded thing i've read all fucking day, GTFO kthx :yes:

[ShooterMcGavin]

also funny to see people getting so worked up over a random picture off the internet when racist jokes and slurs are so common. It's okay to not be offended by everything.
motherfucking :werd: must be that time of the month i guess :D

[tack311]

All I have to say is that this kind of thing makes our country look weak due to the lack of unity in anything.Remember,the entire world is watching the U.S. fall apart because we lack the strength to support our leaders,right or wrong.

[SLOWLYbtngU]

all you fucking know about the war is what CNN lies to you about i have been there 24 months and believe with out a doubt we need to be there. But i am not here to argue or even try to change your mind. i started this post to get attention of all that there are fucking turds on this sight and you are one of them.

I totally side with you on not liking the flag being desecrated.

Unfortunately as previously stated...You fought for ALL of us. Not just the ones that stand behind the same beliefs as you. He has the right to do as he pleases and it is his opinion of the gov't that we are now under. You fought for us, and a lot of my friends(that have also served) hate that when they come back they feel as if though they arent being backed and that the ones protesting are just too weak to serve. It is a matter of freedom of expression... You serve and back this country in every endeavor it sets forth with.... I dont agree with a lot of the decisions made and therefore I protest. It doesnt make me less of a citizen in fact I think it makes me one even more. Because I am exercising my freedom to peacefully assemble.

When the US was bombing in Vieques, PR, I protested like no other on the beaches in Puerto Rico. Was handcuffed and escorted to the court house...Eventually Bush signed a document saying that it was deemed illegal to bomb on territory that is inhabited by people... Without the protests..It wouldnt have happened. I think that America needs to see that not everyone agrees with some of it's fucked up plans.

[Maniaç]

reps JennB

[Maniaç]

All I have to say is that this kind of thing makes our country look weak due to the lack of unity in anything.Remember,the entire world is watching the U.S. fall apart because we lack the strength to support our leaders,right or wrong. Im mexican, but yeah i see your point... reps

[ShooterMcGavin]

All I have to say is that this kind of thing makes our country look weak due to the lack of unity in anything.Remember,the entire world is watching the U.S. fall apart because we lack the strength to support our leaders,right or wrong.
another dumbass comment, so it's RIGHT to support those who are obviously WRONG? you need to get your head checked :goodjob:

[VooDooXII]

btw, i wish i still lived in america... :( (refer to sig)

Shut up...you hate New Jersey! :lmfao:

[Maniaç]

man, where the fuck is wal-mart

[d993s]

Although I don't agree with all the anti-Bush dumbasses........the only reason I commented was because I believe in, and endorse hate crimes..........mostly towards that bitch ass, gay virgin; Maniac.
If he grew up in a muslim country, he would have gotten some cack in his culo long ago. That's what he wants.

[Maniaç]

Although I don't agree with all the anti-Bush dumbasses........the only reason I commented was because I believe in, and endorse hate crimes..........mostly towards that bitch ass, gay virgin; Maniac.
If he grew up in a muslim country, he would have gotten some cack in his culo long ago. That's what he wants. hahahaha!!!! david wtf!!!!

thats it man... prepare to get owned! *thinks to himself*.................. never mind.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Shut up...you hate New Jersey! :lmfao:
lol hell yeah, but we all know america wouldn't be america w/o its favorite landfill (that's jersey btw) :lmao:

[Lucky DAWG]

lets put it this way.

if i saw that guy on the street doing that.
i wouldn't call the cops.
i wouldn't press charges.
and i wouldn't pout and whine about him doing it.

he is using his rights.
but i will by all means still jack him in the mouth if i saw him in person doing this.

[Maniaç]

lets put it this way.

if i saw that guy on the street doing that.
i wouldn't call the cops.
i wouldn't press charges.
and i wouldn't pout and whine about him doing it.

he is using his rights.
but i will by all means still jack him in the mouth if i saw him in person doing this. please, you'd get your lil bitch ass droped on the floor.

if someone is gonna be doing this, im sure they'll be expecting people to fight back fo it.. so im sure he'll be prepared.

[ShooterMcGavin]

please, you'd get your lil bitch ass droped on the floor.

if someone is gonna be doing this, im sure they'll be expecting people to fight back fo it.. so im sure he'll be prepared.
that shit is probably photoshopped anyway

[Maniaç]

that shit is probably photoshopped anywaylooks pretty fucking real to me.

[Bballjamal]

Fuck Bush...
I didn't vote for Bush...
I don't even like my girl with bush...


nuff said...

[ep9716]

LOLz.....At This Tread.
Walmart Can Do What Eva, It Dont Matter...Hes Not Gonna Take It Off Any Time Soon.

[Tracy22]

also funny to see people getting so worked up over a random picture off the internet when racist jokes and slurs are so common. It's okay to not be offended by everything.

Agreed.

It may not make you happy to see someone doing that to the flag but we are in a free country. People can and will do what they want.

[JennB]

All I have to say is that this kind of thing makes our country look weak due to the lack of unity in anything.Remember,the entire world is watching the U.S. fall apart because we lack the strength to support our leaders,right or wrong.


So we would be stronger if we blindly supported the government no matter what? Who would keep them in check if we were all a bunch of sheep that smiled and nodded at everything they say. They have a name for that kind of government... I'll give you a hint... it's not democracy.

It is our job as citizens to vote for what we agree with and stand up against what we don't.



And Hypnotoad.... First I thought you were retarded when you said learning to drive a stick shift was too hard so you gave up. Then you said "i don't really like Supras" and I was pretty sure you were missing a brain stem.... now this. Just hush.

[Double_0_Rusty]

I am not even going to get in to this......I beleive I would have some racise things to say......so I am leaving. Dude that started this thread I stand behind you 100%.

Peace, OOR.

[Maniaç]

And Hypnotoad.... First I thought you were retarded when you said learning to drive a stick shift was too hard so you gave up. Then you said "i don't really like Supras" and I was pretty sure you were missing a brain stem.... now this. Just hush. that guy is a fucking faggot.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Fuck Bush...
I didn't vote for Bush...
I don't even like my girl with bush...


nuff said...
:lmfao: reps!

[Maniaç]

I am not even going to get in to this......I beleive I would have some racise things to say......so I am leaving. Dude that started this thread I stand behind you 100%.

Peace, OOR. oh hell naw, Rusty..

[thepolecat]

FREEDOM OF SPEECH FTMFW- we fight for this and you say he cant do it- no matter how fucked up the point of view, as an American we are granted this right.

AMERICA FTMFW

[ShooterMcGavin]

So we would be stronger if we blindly supported the government no matter what? Who would keep them in check if we were all a bunch of sheep that smiled and nodded at everything they say. They have a name for that kind of government... I'll give you a hint... it's not democracy.
i was thinking lemmings personally :yes:


And Hypnotoad.... First I thought you were retarded when you said learning to drive a stick shift was too hard so you gave up. Then you said "i don't really like Supras" and I was pretty sure you were missing a brain stem.... now this. Just hush.
:lmfao: :smileowne

[Maniaç]

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now its getting good...

[ShooterMcGavin]

I am not even going to get in to this......I beleive I would have some racise things to say......so I am leaving. Dude that started this thread I stand behind you 100%.

Peace, OOR.
why would that picture prompt you to say something racist? :thinking:

[OneSlow5pt0]

So we would be stronger if we blindly supported the government no matter what? Who would keep them in check if we were all a bunch of sheep that smiled and nodded at everything they say. They have a name for that kind of government... I'll give you a hint... it's not democracy.

It is our job as citizens to vote for what we agree with and stand up against what we don't.



And Hypnotoad.... First I thought you were retarded when you said learning to drive a stick shift was too hard so you gave up. Then you said "i don't really like Supras" and I was pretty sure you were missing a brain stem.... now this. Just hush.

first yeah i did give up driving stick,not big deal to me.....and whats it matter if i dont like supras?

[Crazy Asian]

government and politics. The thing I hate the most. So corrupt and blah. I rarely deal with that shit.

[Maniaç]

first yeah i did give up driving stick,not big deal to me.....and whats it matter if i dont supras? Wow, now you're an even bigger loser... Supras aren't all that.. but are still pretty cool cars... i agree with you on that.

[Jimmy B]

freedom of speech is one thing... you dontliek bush, ok, whatever.. i like him, voted for him, and would again too!

no, DISSRESPECTING the flag? thats 50 steps over the line.. if you dislike it so much, go to europe, or africa, or mexico... we dont want you here!!!!!!!!!!!\\\

maniac, that goes for you too.. you little disrespecting piece of fag semin

[04CoorsCan]

Damn...this blew up quick!!! Every leader we will ever have will never be perfect. I voted for Bush and agree with about 90% of his actions. People that fight for this country have more balls than I will ever have...and I say thankyou for protecting me and my family and giving us a safe place to call home. Someone who fights for this country does wake up and go to bed to that flag...so I think the sig is in bad taste...but it is freedom of speech that some will definately have a major problem with. And whoever said that we are falling apart because we can't unite on things as a whole country.....truer words have never been spoken.

[d993s]

It's obvious that the dumbfuck in the picture has something against America as well, not just Bush, otherwise he would have written "FUCK BUSH" on something besides the American flag. No wonder the faggot is covering his face; he wants to live........in America.
I think deportation should be mandatory for anyone who pulls this kind of shit.

[Double_0_Rusty]

why would that picture prompt you to say something racist? :thinking:

I have no idea as to why I said that:thinking: :doh: But this is my thing......I have had four family members in Iraq fighting for us all.....even all the fence jumpers that think they have a say in shit. One of my family members is not coming home......Rip Trev. It just pisses me off that there are so many mother fuckers in this country that are not supporting the troops.....And someone degrading the flag like that is pretty much telling them to fuck themselves. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.....But yet at the same time opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they stink.

/rant

[thepolecat]

changing the flag for protest is one of the oldest ways to protest. I am proud to display my flag every day, but you have to admit- they were really effective in getting their point- look at the argument it spawned

[Maniaç]

freedom of speech is one thing... you dontliek bush, ok, whatever.. i like him, voted for him, and would again too!

no, DISSRESPECTING the flag? thats 50 steps over the line.. if you dislike it so much, go to europe, or africa, or mexico... we dont want you here!!!!!!!!!!!\\\

maniac, that goes for you too.. you little disrespecting piece of fag seminLook at you... working yourself out for nothing... who gives a fucking shit!

not everyone is gonna agree with each other on this subject... and thanks for the name calling... lol. i think thats the first thing you've said to me on IA.

[OneSlow5pt0]

It's obvious that the dumbfuck in the picture has something against America as well, not just Bush, otherwise he would have written "FUCK BUSH" on something besides the American flag. No wonder the faggot is covering his face; he wants to live........in America.
I think deportation should be mandatory for anyone who pulls this kind of shit.

also hes not man anuff to show his face

[04CoorsCan]

It's obvious that the dumbfuck in the picture has something against America as well, not just Bush, otherwise he would have written "FUCK BUSH" on something besides the American flag. No wonder the faggot is covering his face; he wants to live........in America.
I think deportation should be mandatory for anyone who pulls this kind of shit.

OHHHHH......good statement....!!!! :yes:

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damn.

[Leadfoot_mf]

el oh el at this thread, who said the guy in the pic is walmart?

btw, i wish i still lived in america... :( (refer to sig)
i thought it was wall mart. looks like him from what u can tell. i met him saturday i thought he was cool until he posted this pic.

[yeahright]

Lol at the little uneducated kids that think the picture is cool. Having a opinion is one thing but that picture is just plain anti-american.

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shit.

[redrumracer]

this shit is blowing up like an atomic bomb in japan

[Jimmy B]

Look at you... working yourself out for nothing... who gives a fucking shit!

lol. i think thats the first thing you've said to me on IA.


theres a reason i havent said anything to you.. you arent worth my time

as far as gettign worked up, wim worked up because i have a GREAT love for my country, friends that have fought for OUR(mine AND yours) freedom.. who are you to basically say "no thanks" for the time, lives lost, and pain that our troops have gone through, both now and in the past?

[Maniaç]

Look im Mexican but i don't give a fuck! bunch of crying faggots..

[thepolecat]

this shit is blowing up like an atomic bomb in japan



GO USA FOR THAT ONE!!!

[Jimmy B]

I think deportation should be mandatory for anyone who pulls this kind of shit.

i vote for this!

[Evil Goat]

i have no arguments about the right to freedom of speech, no matter how stupid the act the person is doing, its what makes our country great, i do on the other hand have a problem with people desecrating our flag, this flag represents our country and what we stand for, it is illegal, and worthy of a shanking, which is why the jackass isn't bad ass enough to show his face.

to all the bust haters tell me one thing.....do you really think government is going to get better once bush is gone? if you do then you are nothing more than blind sheep

i voted for bush, and would again, the one thing you dont want is for this fight against terrorism to be fought on your home turf, bush took it to them, like it or not i truly believe he saved us from imminent war here stateside, and if hillary is voted in we can look forward to a guaranteed stateside struggle, and dumbshit like the fairness doctrine (b/c liberal government cant stand the fact that liberal radio will not succeed in this country), and socialized medicine, which will be your worst nightmare

all truth be told there probably isn't more than one or two people in this thread who could give an intelligent argument as to why bush is wrong

major thanks to the troops and veterans who give everything for us!

[thepolecat]

no need to get in a hissy fit- this is just the beginning of Hilary's presidential campaign.

[Double_0_Rusty]

I said I wasn't getting in this but look what happend.

[ShooterMcGavin]

I have no idea as to why I said that:thinking: :doh: But this is my thing......I have had four family members in Iraq fighting for us all.....even all the fence jumpers that think they have a say in shit. One of my family members is not coming home......Rip Trev. It just pisses me off that there are so many mother fuckers in this country that are not supporting the troops.....And someone degrading the flag like that is pretty much telling them to fuck themselves. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.....But yet at the same time opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they stink.

/rant
there's a big difference btw supporting the troops who willingly put their lives on the line to protect the country, and supporting a govt and the leaders who has consistently proven itself inept and are carelessly wasting the lives of those brave individuals.

[Maniaç]

theres a reason i havent said anything to you.. you arent worth my time wow.. lol! i don't give a shit.. i think this is the first time ive seen your faggot ass post..


as far as gettign worked up, wim worked up because i have a GREAT love for my country, friends that have fought for OUR(mine AND yours) freedom.. who are you to basically say "no thanks" for the time, lives lost, and pain that our troops have gone through, both now and in the past?

And i haven't? dude i have old friends that went to Iraq.. people i knew when i was a kid... don't come at me with bullshit like that.. we have all been affected by this stupid fucking war...

Now since "you're" to good for me, stop replying to my shit.. thanks. peace.

[Maniaç]

oh, and jimmy B thanks for the -4... like i give a fuck.

[Double_0_Rusty]

i have no arguments about the right to freedom of speech, no matter how stupid the act the person is doing, its what makes our country great, i do on the other hand have a problem with people desecrating our flag, this flag represents our country and what we stand for, it is illegal, and worthy of a shanking, which is why the jackass isn't bad ass enough to show his face.

to all the bust haters tell me one thing.....do you really think government is going to get better once bush is gone? if you do then you are nothing more than blind sheep

i voted for bush, and would again, the one thing you dont want is for this fight against terrorism to be fought on your home turf, bush took it to them, like it or not i truly believe he saved us from imminent war here stateside, and if hillary is voted in we can look forward to a guaranteed stateside struggle, and dumbshit like the fairness doctrine (b/c liberal government cant stand the fact that liberal radio will not succeed in this country), and socialized medicine, which will be your worst nightmare

all truth be told there probably isn't more than one or two people in this thread who could give an intelligent argument as to why bush is wrong

major thanks to the troops and veterans who give everything for us!

reps:goodjob:

[ShooterMcGavin]

Look im Mexican but i don't give a fuck! bunch of crying faggots..
lol, good riddance i say :lmao:

[ShooterMcGavin]

to all the bust haters tell me one thing.....do you really think government is going to get better once bush is gone? if you do then you are nothing more than blind sheep
nope, but i'd be willing to bet a pretty penny that it's not going to get any worse than what we've seen (and may still see through next yr).


i voted for bush, and would again, the one thing you dont want is for this fight against terrorism to be fought on your home turf, bush took it to them, like it or not i truly believe he saved us from imminent war here stateside, and if hillary is voted in we can look forward to a guaranteed stateside struggle, and dumbshit like the fairness doctrine (b/c liberal government cant stand the fact that liberal radio will not succeed in this country), and socialized medicine, which will be your worst nightmare
imminent war? you're gonna need to present some facts there w/those bold statements. and way to take it to them, those damn iraqis, i hate how they flew those planes into the twin towers.....oh wait, it WASN'T the iraqis was it?


all truth be told there probably isn't more than one or two people in this thread who could give an intelligent argument as to why bush is wrong
you were all gun ho about fred sanfred not really knowing you and making a bunch of outlandish claims, what would prompt you now to make such a bold assumption about the members posting in here? or are you merely the pot calling the kettle black?


major thanks to the troops and veterans who give everything for us!
a-fucking-men!

[Leadfoot_mf]

hey shagwagon, maniac and the rest of the fucking shit heads not born here u don't like bush and the U.S. than get the fuck out and don't let the door hit u on the ass on your way out..... oh i dont see u leaving i guess you like making money hun?

[Maniaç]

hey shagwagon, maniac and the rest of the fucking shit heads not born here u don't like bush and the U.S. than get the fuck out and don't let the door hit u on the ass on your way out..... oh i dont see u leaving i guess you like making money hun? lol! tim, i can't believe your taking this shit seriously too... oh my fucking gay!!!!

[Jimmy B]

wow.. lol! i don't give a shit.. i think this is the first time ive seen your faggot ass post..



And i haven't? dude i have old friends that went to Iraq.. people i knew when i was a kid... don't come at me with bullshit like that.. we have all been affected by this stupid fucking war...

Now since "you're" to good for me, stop replying to my shit.. thanks. peace.

LIRL, i have been on IA since you were in diapers.. if thats the first post you have seen of mine good, its cuz im out of the "rice scene"


great, you have OLD friends that are/have fought.. ill tell you what, send them a picture of your sig and you holding it, they will come back and use there militery issue gun to shoot your dumbass in theh head

[ShooterMcGavin]

hey shagwagon, maniac and the rest of the fucking shit heads not born here u don't like bush and the U.S. than get the fuck out and don't let the door hit u on the ass on your way out..... oh i dont see u leaving i guess you like making money hun?
bush has lost me plenty of money in the stock market, but thanks for chirping in you racist fuck :chuckles:

[thepolecat]

hey shagwagon, maniac and the rest of the fucking shit heads not born here u don't like bush and the U.S. than get the fuck out and don't let the door hit u on the ass on your way out..... oh i dont see u leaving i guess you like making money hun?


I was born here but I really dont like Bush. I have my many reasons. But I would not trade this country for others.

[Maniaç]

for all the mad pussy ass americans, this is for you.

[ShooterMcGavin]

no need to get in a hissy fit- this is just the beginning of Hilary's presidential campaign.
if hilary wins i'm moving to canada :yes:

[Evil Goat]

jesus man, c'mon, i said i think/feel he saved us from imminent war, which shows an opinion, it was only a matter of time imo

as far as calling the kettle black, im no government expert, and im willing to bet the majority of IA isnt either, so my thoughts stand, there probably isnt more than just a handful of people who could carry on an intelligent conversation, i know i couldnt, i can only lend out opinions, i have no facts to back up my OPINIONS....

[SRCRX]

another dumbass comment, so it's RIGHT to support those who are obviously WRONG? you need to get your head checked :goodjob:

Thats what I was thinking +1

[Leadfoot_mf]

if hilary wins i'm moving to canada :yes:
can i go with you eh?

[Maniaç]

LIRL, i have been on IA since you were in diapers.. if thats the first post you have seen of mine good, its cuz im out of the "rice scene" Rice? lol... bitch please im far from rice... but whatever you say i don't give a fuck..



great, you have OLD friends that are/have fought.. ill tell you what, send them a picture of your sig and you holding it, they will come back and use there militery issue gun to shoot your dumbass in theh head IM sure they'll laugh cause this is online bullshit... not real life..

And man. my plan for shit talking worked perfectly... i was bored as fuck... thanks the heavens this trhead came along. bunch of cunts.

[Spectic Tank]

thats what makes you not an american.

Because I have my opinion? that's exactly what makes me an American. I respect what what you do for a living but it doesn't make you anymore "American" than anyone else.

This isn't communist Russia, this is America. We are allowed to have our own ideas and express them.

[Leadfoot_mf]

still i love how all these people from around the world bash on the U.S. but this is where they want to live. wtf?

[Blitanicle99]

Oh you have pissed one redneck off today.

Every single one of you anti gov mother fucking pieces of cock shit need to wake the fuck up. Have you any fucking idea what our boys go through out there? NO YOU FUCKING DONT. You sit at your god damn computer typing out what you think is funny, sittin in your A/C probably bitching about the cost of gas or your pizza is taking too long to get to your door you lazy fuck.

Our boys out there are probably bitching at that, there are IMCOMMING FUCKING MISSLES on their way. Wow, there princess, you have alot more to bitch about or so you thought. If you think this country is run so fucking poorly, do something about it or get the fuck out.

And those of you guys that are in the military, I owe you always thanks and appreciation for all you have done. I will be going to OCS next summer with the Marines.

[Evil Goat]

for all the mad pussy ass americans, this is for you.


funny thing is noones trying to get out, everyones trying to get in, like it has been said, you dont like the country dont let the fence knock you down trying to get back over it

[ShooterMcGavin]

jesus man, c'mon, i said i think/feel he saved us from imminent war, which shows an opinion, it was only a matter of time imo

as far as calling the kettle black, im no government expert, and im willing to bet the majority of IA isnt either, so my thoughts stand, there probably isnt more than just a handful of people who could carry on an intelligent conversation, i know i couldnt, i can only lend out opinions, i have no facts to back up my OPINIONS....
within 5 min you've changed from "one or two" to a handful? don't trip with all that backtracking you're doing ;)

and yes, thanks for your opinions, in my opinion though, your opinions suck :chuckles: :D

[yeahright]

bush has lost me plenty of money in the stock market, but thanks for chirping in you racist fuck :chuckles:

Please explain what was racist about his post. All it said was that people who are anti-american should leave, which they should.

[ShooterMcGavin]

can i go with you eh?
fuck u tim, only place u can go w/me to is hell :tongue1:

[Maniaç]

funny thing is noones trying to get out, everyones trying to get in, like it has been said, you dont like the country dont let the fence knock you down trying to get back over itI don't give a fuck about the other Mexicans... lol! shhiiitttt... they could be deported for all i care, im not going anywhere.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Oh you have pissed one redneck off today.

Every single one of you anti gov mother fucking pieces of cock shit need to wake the fuck up. Have you any fucking idea what our boys go through out there? NO YOU FUCKING DONT. You sit at your god damn computer typing out what you think is funny, sittin in your A/C probably bitching about the cost of gas or your pizza is taking too long to get to your door you lazy fuck.

Our boys out there are probably bitching at that, there are IMCOMMING FUCKING MISSLES on their way. Wow, there princess, you have alot more to bitch about or so you thought. If you think this country is run so fucking poorly, do something about it or get the fuck out.

And those of you guys that are in the military, I owe you always thanks and appreciation for all you have done. I will be going to OCS next summer with the Marines.

yep, chalk it up, another idiot who can't discern the difference btw supporting the TROOPS and supporting the govt :no:

[rednblack]

To the people that say we are wasting service members lives, WE volunteered to serve our country, we KNEW the risks when we signed up. It isn't that difficult to get out of the military if you don't agree with the current political leaderships policies. I know many other service members that are opposed to our current presidents policies. They did however take oaths to follow the orders of those appointed over them, that includes the president.

I personally don't like seeing the flag burned and marred in any way, I disagree with it wholeheartedly, but in the words of Voltaire, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". I'd love to punch the dude in the face, because I don't agree with his actions, but I'd just as soon take a bullet for him or any one of you if the person firing it was an enemy of our nation.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Please explain what was racist about his post. All it said was that people who are anti-american should leave, which they should.
the part about the "shitheads not born in america" :goodjob: and also bc i'm taking this very seriously, since it IS the internet :yes:

[Evil Goat]

within 5 min you've changed from "one or two" to a handful? don't trip with all that backtracking you're doing ;)


youre a retard, my original statement was 1-2 in this thread, i broadened it to a handful on IA, i will specify next time for you

[VooDooXII]

Please explain what was racist about his post. All it said was that people who are anti-american should leave, which they should.

I think he meant the bit about "not being born here".

I think people who are anti-American become that way, because I know for damn sure they wouldn't come here if they were. I think they feel that they might as well stick around and see what they can change so they can once again enjoy this great (or to them, once great) country.

Seriously...I think the U.S. is an AMAZING country...but there have just been too many mistakes in policy.

[Leadfoot_mf]

Oh you have pissed one redneck off today.

Every single one of you anti gov mother fucking pieces of cock shit need to wake the fuck up. Have you any fucking idea what our boys go through out there? NO YOU FUCKING DONT. You sit at your god damn computer typing out what you think is funny, sittin in your A/C probably bitching about the cost of gas or your pizza is taking too long to get to your door you lazy fuck.

Our boys out there are probably bitching at that, there are IMCOMMING FUCKING MISSLES on their way. Wow, there princess, you have alot more to bitch about or so you thought. If you think this country is run so fucking poorly, do something about it or get the fuck out.

And those of you guys that are in the military, I owe you always thanks and appreciation for all you have done. I will be going to OCS next summer with the Marines.
fuck you what do u know about war and the military other than the "cool" war movies you watch? you haven't been there so why are you getting pissed.
the people who are there are there on there own regard they were not drafted they signed up to get their ass shot off. hell some of them wanted to go their. so save your soap box speech kid. until you have actually been their just shut the fuck up.

[ShooterMcGavin]

To the people that say we are wasting service members lives, WE volunteered to serve our country, we KNEW the risks when we signed up. It isn't that difficult to get out of the military if you don't agree with the current political leaderships policies. I know many other service members that are opposed to our current presidents policies. They did however take oaths to follow the orders of those appointed over them, that includes the president.
just bc you volunteered and you knew the risks doesn't make you EXPENDABLE, not to mention last i checked, you don't just quit from the military like you'd quit from mcdonalds.


I personally don't like seeing the flag burned and marred in any way, I disagree with it wholeheartedly, but in the words of Voltaire, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". I'd love to punch the dude in the face, because I don't agree with his actions, but I'd just as soon take a bullet for him or any one of you if the person firing it was an enemy of our nation.
neither do i, but good for you for being able to understand that everyone deserves to have an opinion, whether or not it's unpatriotic or not.

[Evil Goat]

yep, chalk it up, another idiot who can't discern the difference btw supporting the TROOPS and supporting the govt :no:


the difference between supporting the troops and the government is the difference in voting for someone who wants to cut funds and those who dont, where do you stand almighty?

[ShooterMcGavin]

fuck you what do u know about war and the military other than the "cool" war movies you watch? you haven't been there so why are you getting pissed.
the people who are there are there on there own regard they were not drafted they signed up to get their ass shot off. hell some of them wanted to go their. so save your soap box speech kid. until you have actually been their just shut the fuck up.
this post reeks of own :lmao:

[ShooterMcGavin]

I think he meant the bit about "not being born here".

I think people who are anti-American become that way, because I know for damn sure they wouldn't come here if they were. I think they feel that they might as well stick around and see what they can change so they can once again enjoy this great (or to them, once great) country.

Seriously...I think the U.S. is an AMAZING country...but there have just been too many mistakes in policy.
damn, GT students really are teh smart :goodjob:

[Evil Goat]

damn, GT students really are teh smart :goodjob:


still cant get you on that sig, that shits still making me laugh

[Jecht]

if you don't like the country get the hell out.

I plan to eventually move elsewhere. :goodjob:


Oh and those saying Clinton was a bad president... Clinton must have been good since he is that ugly and still got a random girl to give him head. :lmao:

And... uh.... please don't kill me. :(

[Spectic Tank]

Oh you have pissed one redneck off today.

Every single one of you anti gov mother fucking pieces of cock shit need to wake the fuck up. Have you any fucking idea what our boys go through out there? NO YOU FUCKING DONT. You sit at your god damn computer typing out what you think is funny, sittin in your A/C probably bitching about the cost of gas or your pizza is taking too long to get to your door you lazy fuck.

Our boys out there are probably bitching at that, there are IMCOMMING FUCKING MISSLES on their way. Wow, there princess, you have alot more to bitch about or so you thought. If you think this country is run so fucking poorly, do something about it or get the fuck out.

And those of you guys that are in the military, I owe you always thanks and appreciation for all you have done. I will be going to OCS next summer with the Marines.


So...

the people who are "anti gov" need to realize what the people in Irag are going through?

I believe they are the ones who are empthizing with the soldiers in Irag, you are the one supporting the government who sent them there.

[ShooterMcGavin]

the difference between supporting the troops and the government is the difference in voting for someone who wants to cut funds and those who dont, where do you stand almighty?
:lmfao: are you serious? bc it was a much better idea to cut funding to the army corp of engineers who wanted to rebuild levees in n. orleans? not to mention who cares if funds are cut if you don't send them out into a needless warzone in the first place? btw, thanks for the almighty title, i'm flattered :D

[yeahright]

yep, chalk it up, another idiot who can't discern the difference btw supporting the TROOPS and supporting the govt :no:

yep and you're another idiot who can't realize that pictures like these, do effect troops moral.

[VooDooXII]

damn, GT students really are teh smart :goodjob:

I'm here for a reason...haha.

[Maniaç]

lol! this thread turned out great!

[Evil Goat]

:lmfao: are you serious? bc it was a much better idea to cut funding to the army corp of engineers who wanted to rebuild levees in n. orleans? not to mention who cares if funds are cut if you don't send them out into a needless warzone in the first place? btw, thanks for the almighty title, i'm flattered :D


thing is you cant cut funding while they are there, which is what the backhanded liberal government was aiming for a few months ago

[ShooterMcGavin]

yep and you're another idiot who can't realize that pictures like these, do effect troops moral.
hey fuckstick, thanks for assuming what i can and can't realize, maybe you ought to find my post where i said i DIDN'T realize that?

[rednblack]

just bc you volunteered and you knew the risks doesn't make you EXPENDABLE, not to mention last i checked, you don't just quit from the military like you'd quit from mcdonalds.


You're right, we're not expendable, and no, you can't just quit, I guess the point I was trying to make is that there is almost no one in the U.S. military now that didn't know about the constant conflict in the middle east, as well as our nations involvement at the time they joined, or re-enlisted.


P.S.-Thanky ou to everyone supporting the troops, weather you support the war or not, I personally consider the two very seperate things.

[ShooterMcGavin]

thing is you cant cut funding while they are there, which is what the backhanded liberal government was aiming for a few months ago
actually, the backhanded liberal govt was trying to get the troops pulled out quicker, something GW Sr should've done many yrs ago :goodjob:

[Maniaç]

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oh shit! Wal-Mart is in the house..

[ShooterMcGavin]

You're right, we're not expendable, and no, you can't just quit, I guess the point I was trying to make is that there is almost no one in the U.S. military now that didn't know about the constant conflict in the middle east, as well as our nations involvement at the time they joined, or re-enlisted.
that's not entirely true, i mean seriously, how many national guard members and reservists that have been in those branches long before the war in iraq began, i hardly would think they expected to be heading overseas.


P.S.-Thanky ou to everyone supporting the troops, weather you support the war or not, I personally consider the two very seperate things.
:goodjob:

[Evil Goat]

actually, the backhanded liberal govt was trying to get the troops pulled out quicker, something GW Sr should've done many yrs ago :goodjob:


they were using funds cutting as a way to smoke the troops out basically, damn i wish i could remember stuff better, but the head of the democratic party was caught on tape saying almost those exact things, that once the funding was cut they would have no choice but to bring them home, talk about leaving our troops high and dry

you think noone wouldve been killed if they cut funding? talk about senseless deaths

["B"]

I would call what he did an "improvement" but that's just me


Feel free to move out of the country that flies that flag then. Turning a flag upside down is a sign of disrespect and distress. Just because someone hates Bush gives them no right to disrespect the flag like that. You don't like it, Mexico is ------> way and Canada is <---- way; beat it bitch.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Feel free to move out of the country that flies that flag then. Turning a flag upside down is a sign of disrespect and distress. Just because someone hates Bush gives them no right to disrespect the flag like that. You don't like it, Mexico is ------> way and Canada is <---- way; beat it bitch.
stupid american, that's totally not even the right directions :lmfao:

[Spectic Tank]

they were using funds cutting as a way to smoke the troops out basically, damn i wish i could remember stuff better, but the head of the democratic party was caught on tape saying almost those exact things, that once the funding was cut they would have no choice but to bring them home, talk about leaving our troops high and dry

you think noone wouldve been killed if they cut funding? talk about senseless deaths

Do you realize you are bitching about "liberals" wanting to cut funding and causing "senseless" deaths, but you support a gov't who sent them to their "senseless" death WAY before the "Liberals" got involved?

["B"]

that's not entirely true, i mean seriously, how many national guard members and reservists that have been in those branches long before the war in iraq began, i hardly would think they expected to be heading overseas.


:goodjob:



Actually, 9/11 was six years ago. The longest enlistment you can sign up for is 6 years if I am not mistaken. Even if that isn't the case, everyone raises their right hand knowing that they can be sent over seas on the President's whim. Period.

["B"]

stupid american, that's totally not even the right directions :lmfao:


You get the point, cocksucker.

[ShooterMcGavin]

they were using funds cutting as a way to smoke the troops out basically, damn i wish i could remember stuff better, but the head of the democratic party was caught on tape saying almost those exact things, that once the funding was cut they would have no choice but to bring them home, talk about leaving our troops high and dry

you think noone wouldve been killed if they cut funding? talk about senseless deaths
indeed, pretty despicable if that is in fact true. however, i don't see how that's any better than going into the war under false pretenses AND not having the right equipment at the beginning of the war, or do you forget the bit about rumsfield getting questioned on why the troops' humvees didn't have adequate armor on it?

[Wal-Mart]

Alrighty bitches..... im here. Only after being alerted to this shit. Bet you redneck asses i'll have more to say AFTER i eat my awsome dinner.

Maniac - I must spread rep beofre giving it to you again :(

Mark my words.... i'll be more then happy to go into debate mode here.


FYI, destroying the american flag is something Bush has been doing for years in view of the rest of the world.

Support the troops, not the war.

I'll be back.

[Spectic Tank]

Feel free to move out of the country that flies that flag then. Turning a flag upside down is a sign of disrespect and distress. Just because someone hates Bush gives them no right to disrespect the flag like that. You don't like it, Mexico is ------> way and Canada is <---- way; beat it bitch.

I was refering to the "Fuck Bush" part of the flag. I don't agree with desecrating the flag, but that's how he chose to express his opinion.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Actually, 9/11 was six years ago. The longest enlistment you can sign up for is 6 years if I am not mistaken. Even if that isn't the case, everyone raises their right hand knowing that they can be sent over seas on the President's whim. Period.
very good genius, you can count. but maybe you forget that the war started in '03 :goodjob:

[Spectic Tank]

Alrighty bitches..... im here. Only after being alerted to this shit. Bet you redneck asses i'll have more to say AFTER i eat my awsome dinner.

Maniac - I must spread rep beofre giving it to you again :(

Mark my words.... i'll be more then happy to go into debate mode here.


FYI, destroying the american flag is something Bush has been doing for years in view of the rest of the world.

Support the troops, not the war.

I'll be back.

+1

[Evil Goat]

Do you realize you are bitching about "liberals" wanting to cut funding and causing "senseless" deaths, but you support a gov't who sent them to their "senseless" death WAY before the "Liberals" got involved?


you missed my thoughts apparently, the troops were sent to keep the fight from coming stateside, the liberals are wanting to cut funding, bring the troops home before it needs to be done, therefore imo, make it inevitable that the fight will come stateside, and when it does id suspect you to be the first person to enlist in the fight, right?

if we leave this area it will be taken over my insurgents, thats a fact that you and i both know would happen, and in turn would return the area to the terrorist hiding nation it was pre war

["B"]

very good genius, you can count. but maybe you forget that the war started in '03 :goodjob:

Bitch please. I was on the way to a 50 caliber machine guy range when I heard about the Towers. You don't think we started gearing up for war the next day? Anyone who joined after 9/11 KNEW they would be getting deployed.

Don't talk shit about things you don't know about.

[Maniaç]

Alrighty bitches..... im here. Only after being alerted to this shit. Bet you redneck asses i'll have more to say AFTER i eat my awsome dinner.

Maniac - I must spread rep beofre giving it to you again :(

Mark my words.... i'll be more then happy to go into debate mode here.


FYI, destroying the american flag is something Bush has been doing for years in view of the rest of the world.

Support the troops, not the war.

I'll be back.
Very nice bro... +5 and +1 from yoshi.

[ShooterMcGavin]

you missed my thoughts apparently, the troops were sent to keep the fight from coming stateside, the liberals are wanting to cut funding, bring the troops home before it needs to be done, therefore imo, make it inevitable that the fight will come stateside, and when it does id suspect you to be the first person to enlist in the fight, right?
there was no fight in iraq until we went back in there in '03


if we leave this area it will be taken over my insurgents, thats a fact that you and i both know would happen, and in turn would return the area to the terrorist hiding nation it was pre war
you have GOT to be kidding me, every insurgent knows the troops can't remain forever, you've got to be just downright silly to believe they won't pop out the moment the troops leave, whenever that may be.

[Spectic Tank]

you missed my thoughts apparently, the troops were sent to keep the fight from coming stateside, the liberals are wanting to cut funding, bring the troops home before it needs to be done, therefore imo, make it inevitable that the fight will come stateside, and when it does id suspect you to be the first person to enlist in the fight, right?

if we leave this area it will be taken over my insurgents, thats a fact that you and i both know would happen, and in turn would return the area to the terrorist hiding nation it was pre war

I think you give the terrorists to much credit. How long did it take them to plan 9/11? Yea they can pull off some bombings...but if you actually think that they would be able to bring this fight over here you are :screwy:

["B"]

you missed my thoughts apparently, the troops were sent to keep the fight from coming stateside, the liberals are wanting to cut funding, bring the troops home before it needs to be done, therefore imo, make it inevitable that the fight will come stateside, and when it does id suspect you to be the first person to enlist in the fight, right?

if we leave this area it will be taken over my insurgents, thats a fact that you and i both know would happen, and in turn would return the area to the terrorist hiding nation it was pre war



EXACTLY.

The troops in Iraq are stopping terrorists from coming to the United States to attack innocent civilians. I would damn sure rather they attack armed and armored soldiers than to have them attack the mall in which my fiance and baby daughter happen to be at. At least the troops know it's coming.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Bitch please. I was on the way to a 50 caliber machine guy range when I heard about the Towers. You don't think we started gearing up for war the next day? Anyone who joined after 9/11 KNEW they would be getting deployed.

Don't talk shit about things you don't know about.
no shit fuckstick, but what about those that already signed up say on 9/10? did they know too?

[Evil Goat]

indeed, pretty despicable if that is in fact true. however, i don't see how that's any better than going into the war under false pretenses AND not having the right equipment at the beginning of the war, or do you forget the bit about rumsfield getting questioned on why the troops' humvees didn't have adequate armor on it?


i remember, ive already said there have been things done that i dont agree with, we went into this war understaffed and with less than adequate equipment, anyone should be able to recognize that



you have GOT to be kidding me, every insurgent knows the troops can't remain forever, you've got to be just downright silly to believe they won't pop out the moment the troops leave, whenever that may be.

exactly, and this is the reason the iraqi troops/police are being trained by our soldiers, in hopes that they will have the balls to keep the place clean when we leave

["B"]

I think you give the terrorists to much credit. How long did it take them to plan 9/11? Yea they can pull off some bombings...but if you actually think that they would be able to bring this fight over here you are :screwy:

That is exactly what some dumb fuck just like you said in London.

[Maniaç]

Why is it that everytime we have a thread like this... 9/11 has to be brought up? lol!

pure bullshit..

[Evil Goat]

I think you give the terrorists to much credit. How long did it take them to plan 9/11? Yea they can pull off some bombings...but if you actually think that they would be able to bring this fight over here you are :screwy:


i dont think you are giving them enough credit, i dont think its a matter of the time it took to plan the attack, i think its a matter of patience, and looking for the right opportunity, noone expected 9/11 to happen, and we are starting to return to normalcy, mark my words, when america least expects it 9/11 will happen again

you tell me how many insurgents are already planted stateside? you think were alone here? youve got another thing coming, keep thinking 9/11 was a once in a lifetime thing, this is the world we live in now

["B"]

no shit fuckstick, but what about those that already signed up say on 9/10? did they know too?


Yes, everyone who raises their hand knows that they may be deployed on the President's order. PERIOD.

[Evil Goat]

Why is it that everytime we have a thread like this... 9/11 has to be brought up? lol!

pure bullshit..


b/c this is what the war, and what people think bush has done wrong circulates around, its not bullshit, its the truth, its what started this whole debacle

[Spectic Tank]

That is exactly what some dumb fuck just like you said in London.

You actually think they would attack america? you would...

You are about as smart as bucket of fuckin rocks

[ultm8mind]

Well, I'll be here for a little while longer. Sweating my ass off in Afghanistan. I believe both sides have valid points and I can tell who has served or at least known someone who has served simply by the posts. Those of us who have have a greater understandingof freedom, that those who haven't will NEVER know. I have been in the Army since 1999, and re-enlisted in 2003, then again last year. There are people who believe in this country, those who disgrace the flag, I believe need to go. That is disrespect to the country not President Bush. I'm sure there was something else that could have been used as his or her backdrop for writing that on. But that's just a Soldiers two cents :2cents: .........

PS specvee.....FYI there are persons that wish to do harm to the United States and have been foiled due to the work of myself and others. If those of you in the civilian sector only knew. Be glad you don't......

[Maniaç]

b/c this is what the war, and what people think bush has done wrong circulates around, its not bullshit, its the truth, its what started this whole debacle To think, all this change thats been going on was all cause of those two fucking air plaines and the two towers... wow...

shit happens.. thats part of life... if it was truly done by terriorist which i don't really know for sure... they need to be put on their place...

but ive seen the vids and its hard to tell who truly was behind 911..

["B"]

You actually think they would attack america? you would...

You are about as smart as bucket of fuckin rocks


You caught me, they wouldn't, COULDN'T attack America. I mean, 9/11 was in inside job of course.



Idiot.

[Evil Goat]

You actually think they would attack america? you would...

You are about as smart as bucket of fuckin rocks

speaking of being dumb as rocks, they already have attacked america dipshit

[Evil Goat]

To think, all this change thats been going on was all cause of those two fucking air plaines and the two towers... wow...

shit happens.. thats part of life... if it was truly done by terriorist which i don't really know for sure... they need to be put on their place...

but ive seen the vids and its hard to tell who truly was behind 911..


i get it now, youre one of those conspiracy theorists, why dont you put as much time into reading the debunking of the conspiracies as you do into arguing on the internet

[ultm8mind]

Thank you for letting specvee get that update, LOL.

["B"]

To think, all this change thats been going on was all cause of those two fucking air plaines and the two towers... wow...

shit happens.. thats part of life... if it was truly done by terriorist which i don't really know for sure... they need to be put on their place...

but ive seen the vids and its hard to tell who truly was behind 911..


You just lost all respect I ever had for you. Congratulations, you are completely clueless.

[Maniaç]

this picture is fucking hot..

["B"]

i get it now, youre one of those conspiracy theorists, why dont you put as much time into reading the debunking of the conspiracies as you do into arguing on the internet


I wish people would read books, articles, and watch the videos from both sides of the debate before they run their ball washers.

[Maniaç]

You just lost all respect I ever had for you. Congratulations, you are completely clueless. Oh my fucking god! everyone needs to chill the fuck out!

whats going on in here is this....

America vs America.. "B" i respect everything yall do.. but still.. everyone has the right to think the way one wants too..

["B"]

Alrighty bitches..... im here. Only after being alerted to this shit. Bet you redneck asses i'll have more to say AFTER i eat my awsome dinner.

Maniac - I must spread rep beofre giving it to you again :(

Mark my words.... i'll be more then happy to go into debate mode here.


FYI, destroying the american flag is something Bush has been doing for years in view of the rest of the world.

Support the troops, not the war.

I'll be back.



I am waiting.

[Spectic Tank]

i dont think you are giving them enough credit, i dont think its a matter of the time it took to plan the attack, i think its a matter of patience, and looking for the right opportunity, noone expected 9/11 to happen, and we are starting to return to normalcy, mark my words, when america least expects it 9/11 will happen again

you tell me how many insurgents are already planted stateside? you think were alone here? youve got another thing coming, keep thinking 9/11 was a once in a lifetime thing, this is the world we live in now

Whatever I'm not gonna argue anymore, it's pointless.

LMAO...the world we live in? America is a "paradise" compared majority of what happens in the rest of the world. A lot of bad shit happens all over the world, it's inevitable...

[Double_0_Rusty]

To think, all this change thats been going on was all cause of those two fucking air plaines and the two towers... wow...

shit happens.. thats part of life... if it was truly done by terriorist which i don't really know for sure... they need to be put on their place...

but ive seen the vids and its hard to tell who truly was behind 911..

are you fucking serious?

[Maniaç]

are you fucking serious? lol! i don't give a fuck anymore... everyone. say whatever the fuck you want.!
fuck what everyone tells you... this is a "FREE" country we can do, say, post pictures of whatever the fuck we want!


im done...

["B"]

Oh my fucking god! everyone needs to chill the fuck out!

whats going on in here is this....

America vs America.. "B" i respect everything yall do.. but still.. everyone has the right to think the way one wants too..


No one has the right to be ignorant (as you are) on an issue and then not onloy bash the sitting President, but also post pictures of someone disrespecting the flag under which they live. If they don't like it, move out or run for office and change something.

[VooDooXII]

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Holy hell!

[Evil Goat]

Whatever I'm not gonna argue anymore, it's pointless.

LMAO...the world we live in? America is a "paradise" compared majority of what happens in the rest of the world. A lot of bad shit happens all over the world, it's inevitable...


youre fucking right retard, i was refferring to the fact that we need to keep terrorists off our homeland, thats the world we live in dipshit

and you werent arguing, you were spitting out useless shit that made you look stupid, arguments have valid points, much like what b, shaw, myself and maniac are doing, youre just a dumbass

[Spectic Tank]

You caught me, they wouldn't, COULDN'T attack America. I mean, 9/11 was in inside job of course.



Idiot.

You and your girlfriend actually think 9/11 was an "attack" on america. It was a terrorist act that they happened to pull off the SECOND time around.

So when they come over here with a goddamn cavalry I'll get fuckin nervous. Until then you two bitches can cuddle each other.

[Maniaç]

No one has the right to be ignorant (as you are) on an issue and then not onloy bash the sitting President, but also post pictures of someone disrespecting the flag under which they live. If they don't like it, move out or run for office and change something. I guess you didn't see this picture i posted huh... "B", i don't give a fuck!

[ultm8mind]

Maniac the last pic you posted was the only thing you posted I've liked. (the female)

["B"]

You and your girlfriend actually think 9/11 was an "attack" on america. It was a terrorist act that they happened to pull off the SECOND time around.

So when they come over here with a goddamn cavalry I'll get fuckin nervous. Until then you two bitches can cuddle each other.



And if they attack and kill your family in the mean time?

[Maniaç]

Maniac the last pic you posted was the only thing you posted I've liked. (the female)lol! w0rd. reps

["B"]

I guess you didn't see this picture i posted huh... "B", i don't give a fuck!



Posting that picture doesn't make you less ignorant.

[Evil Goat]

You and your girlfriend actually think 9/11 was an "attack" on america. It was a terrorist act that they happened to pull off the SECOND time around.

So when they come over here with a goddamn cavalry I'll get fuckin nervous. Until then you two bitches can cuddle each other.


it was more than an act, more than an attack, it was a precursor to what is to come if we dont kick their asses now....

you dont know the calvary isnt already here you stupid fuck, how many slipped in pre 9/11? these people have patience, we've seen that, youre being naive, or just plain stupid, to think they wont try to bring the war here and like i said i doubt youll be first in line to defend the country

[Maniaç]

Here.. everyone look... burning everything around us...

[Double_0_Rusty]

lol! i don't give a fuck anymore... everyone. say whatever the fuck you want.!
fuck what everyone tells you... this is a "FREE" country we can do, say, post pictures of whatever the fuck we want!


im done...

this "free" country that you speak of is due to all the men and women overseas putting their lives on the line so this can be a "free" country, so go ahead and disrespect them buy degrading the flag that they live by and die for.

im done.

peace, OOR.

[Evil Goat]

Here.. everyone look... burning everything around us...


lol, shut up, this is a serious internet thread, youre not supposed to make me laugh :lmfao:

["B"]

Here.. everyone look... burning everything around us...


Using pointless humor to try to make everyone think you were joking, again, does not make up for the fact that you are ignorant.

[Spectic Tank]

it was more than an act, more than an attack, it was a precursor to what is to come if we dont kick their asses now....

you dont know the calvary isnt already here you stupid fuck, how many slipped in pre 9/11? these people have patience, we've seen that, youre being naive, or just plain stupid, to think they wont try to bring the war here and like i said i doubt youll be first in line to defend the country

You don't know what I would...so who gives a fuck what you have to say?

I'm a Naive stupid fuck?

That must make you a paranoid naive stupid fuck...makes sense now

[Maniaç]

Come on guys... everyone is taking this way to seriously..

What we are doing is something that will never reach a conclusion... Lets just wait and see what happens in the future.. Everyone needs to take a big fat chill pill and lets get back to some online bullshit... lol.

This thread wa fun in while it lasted... well atleast for me...

[Evil Goat]

I'm a Naive stupid fuck

yes, yes you are

[ShooterMcGavin]

i remember, ive already said there have been things done that i dont agree with, we went into this war understaffed and with less than adequate equipment, anyone should be able to recognize that
but most ignorant shitheads don't.


exactly, and this is the reason the iraqi troops/police are being trained by our soldiers, in hopes that they will have the balls to keep the place clean when we leave
who wants to join the iraqi army or police when their police stations are raided constantly and recruits and generals are killed every other day?

["B"]

Come on guys... everyone is taking this way to seriously..



This IS serious shit.

[Maniaç]

"B" this is what i think about what people think about me... i could careless..

[ShooterMcGavin]

i dont think you are giving them enough credit, i dont think its a matter of the time it took to plan the attack, i think its a matter of patience, and looking for the right opportunity, noone expected 9/11 to happen, and we are starting to return to normalcy, mark my words, when america least expects it 9/11 will happen again

you tell me how many insurgents are already planted stateside? you think were alone here? youve got another thing coming, keep thinking 9/11 was a once in a lifetime thing, this is the world we live in now

so how is committing all our manpower and monetary resources across seas the answer to preventing 9/11 from happening again? how many times has it been proven by various agencies that it's not that hard to sneak weapons onboard aircraft still even 6 yrs after 9/11? how much dignity will you have as an american when you're required to strip down to near nakedness when going through airport security when our technology and equipment there is CLEARLY lacking?

["B"]

"B" this is what i think about what people think about me... i could careless..


I can tell.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Yes, everyone who raises their hand knows that they may be deployed on the President's order. PERIOD.
indeed, but too bad they didn't know the current president is a douchewad who knows as much about military service as stevie wonders knows about good artwork :goodjob:

[Spectic Tank]

Posting that picture doesn't make you less ignorant.

Posting 3,990 useless post doesn't either...sucks for you.

[Spectic Tank]

so how is committing all our manpower and monetary resources across seas the answer to preventing 9/11 from happening again? how many times has it been proven by various agencies that it's not that hard to sneak weapons onboard aircraft still even 6 yrs after 9/11? how much dignity will you have as an american when you're required to strip down to near nakedness when going through airport security when our technology and equipment there is CLEARLY lacking?

but...we're saving the world!!!

Team America...FUCK YEA!!!

[ShooterMcGavin]

lol! i don't give a fuck anymore... everyone. say whatever the fuck you want.!
fuck what everyone tells you... this is a "FREE" country we can do, say, post pictures of whatever the fuck we want!


im done...
lol, not quite the debate specialist huh? well, can't say i expected much from a punkass kid :lmao: :D

["B"]

so how is committing all our manpower and monetary resources across seas the answer to preventing 9/11 from happening again? how many times has it been proven by various agencies that it's not that hard to sneak weapons onboard aircraft still even 6 yrs after 9/11? how much dignity will you have as an american when you're required to strip down to near nakedness when going through airport security when our technology and equipment there is CLEARLY lacking?




Is Pulling Troops out of Iraq Truly the Right Thing to do?

Bryon D. Pflueger

Axia College of University of Phoenix

COM120 Effective Persuasive Writing

April 22, 2007







Is Pulling Troops out of Iraq Truly the Right Thing to do?


On March 19, 2003, a “coalition of the willing” (Bush, 2002) invaded Iraq to topple the regime of Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein. This coalition was led by the United States and President George Bush. With the primary mission over in Iraq, the President declared the end of major fighting on May 1, 2003. Yet over four years later, America seems to be “bogged down in Iraq”; media polls are showing that the majority of Americans would like to see an exit strategy. However, leaving Iraq would be more of a disaster than staying put. The forces in Iraq are a vital part of America’s global projection of power and defensive strategy, and are the glue that is currently holding Iraq together.



The Publicity War



The Iraqi insurgents and foreign fighters in Iraq are waging a war of attrition against the United States; basically waiting for the U. S. to just get tired of war and leave. They figure that if enough body bags come home to American families, there will be popular opinion to pull troops out of Iraq. Their plan is working extremely well with the general population in America, as day in and day out another soldier is lost.



Al Qaeda in Iraq has won a major victory against the United States military. This victory did not take place on the battlefields of Iraq, however; it took place in the polling booths of small town America. On November 7, 2006, America collectively took the pro-war Republicans out of Congress and installed a new Congress; one controlled by the anti-war Democrats, led by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. Speaker Pelosi’s main argument to pull troops out of Iraq is that the lives of American troops are not worth the price being paid.





Speaker Pelosi (and her counterparts in the Senate) have effectively hijacked the military and have continuously tried to tie the hands of the President of the United States. They recently have passed new Legislation calling on a total troop withdrawal from Iraq. This Legislation is not likely to pass; as it is basically a shot in the direction of the White House and the current administration. But what happens when the troops do leave Iraq? John Mueller (2007, 6[4]) writes:



“. . . America’s exit from Iraq will exhilarate international terrorists because victory over the U. S. will seem even greater than victory over the Soviets in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden’s theory that Americans can be defeated, or at least inconvenienced, by inflicting comparatively small but continuously draining casualties on them will achieve apparent confirmation.”



While every soldier lost is a tragedy in itself, only 3,322 (Griffis, 2007) have lost their lives in Iraq in over four years. In comparison, 2,973 (CNN, 2006) Americans died in the early morning hours of September 11, 2001. Although there is no direct link between Iraq and what happened on that fateful day in 2001, the fact of the matter is that there have been no terrorist attacks on American soil since. One could argue that this has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in Iraq, but foreign fighters have flocked to Iraq by the thousands. Some of these fighters might have been trained to come to America instead but have been diverted by their leaders. They are now attacking armed American troops instead of unarmed and unprepared American civilians.



The Iraqi Military Structure



The Iraqi Interior Ministry is not capable of securing their streets, let alone their boarders. After the invasion was over, the Iraqi military and police were dissolved. This was done partly by the new Civil Administration in Iraq, but mostly by the Iraqis in these units themselves. Entire brigades of the Iraqi military just melted away into the population; members of these units just put their weapons down and went home. It was obviously a mistake of the Civil Administration to officially dissolve the Iraq armed forces, but this can not be undone four years later.



While a new Iraqi Defense Force is being trained, it takes time to fill the ranks. Most of these recruits are not seasoned veterans, but teenagers looking for work. They are easy targets for the foreign fighters. There have been many attacks against police and army recruiting stations around Iraq. Once a recent recruit has been killed, someone must be trained to take their place; it is not like training a soldier here in the United States.



Whole units of the Iraqi Defense Force have been found to be insurgents. These “death squads” as the Iraqis call them, are made up almost entirely of either Sunni or Shia. They go around harassing and killing people of the other faith. These units are hard to weed out because of the fear among the local population.





The Iran Connection



The Iran connection in Iraq is undeniable. Iran is a Shia dominated country, led by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khaminei. It has been reported by all three of the major American media outlets that Iran is manufacturing and supplying weapons and ammunition to Shia militias in Iran. In fact, on November 30, 2006, ABC reported:



“U.S. officials say they have found smoking-gun evidence of Iranian support for terrorists in Iraq: brand-new weapons fresh from Iranian factories. According to a senior defense official, coalition forces have recently seized Iranian-made weapons and munitions that bear manufacturing dates in 2006.”



Why would Iran supply weapons to the militias in Iraq? With the United States buried in conflict within Iraq, there would be less of a threat to the national security of Iran. Despite reports that America can fight a two front war; this is just not the case. The military is currently being stretched to its limits. If America cannot enact its preeminent strike policy, there is no threat of a large ground invasion to Iran. But this philosophy also works against Iran. With troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran has been effectively boxed in by the United States. The President of the United States, by using effective political and military maneuvering, has killed two birds with one stone.



Is Iran’s policy simply to keep the U. S. mired in Iraq or part of a bigger plan? The answer is not simple, but the facts speak for themselves. Iran has constantly defied the United Nations (UN) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Iran wants nuclear weapons and has banned IAEA nuclear weapons inspectors from entering Iran. They have also disabled all of the IAEA security cameras placed in Iranian nuclear facilities.



Tensions between Iran and the West have increased lately with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the President of Iran, repeatedly stating that Israel should be destroyed. In addition, on March 23, 2007, Iran seized 15 British sailors. The seized British sailors were operating under a UN mandate and within Iraqi waters with permission from the Iraqi government.



With Iran’s influence, Iraq’s policies would shift dramatically. Iraq currently has a pro-western government. If Iran was able to control Iraq through Iraqi leaders who took refuge in Iran during the Hussein regime, Iraq would back away from the West and become isolated just like the Iranian regime. The only difference would be that Iran would control a good portion of the oil output from the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), which already controls 79% of the world’s oil reserves (www.opec.org, 2006). This would be devastating to the economies of Western governments.



Antiwar advocates are saying that our occupation of Iraq is just another example of American imperialism. They also say that American lives are not worth a free Iraq. This isn’t about any of that; it is about keeping America safe. Having troops in Iraq puts American lives at risk, yes; but imagine how many more lives might have been lost if these terrorist had made it to the United States or Europe. This President has put the United States in a unique position. The United States is not only keeping terrorists from attacking its homeland; but also keeping Iran from gaining too much power in the region. We can not afford to pull troops out of Iraq and God help us if we do because the repercussions will not affect us, but our children.








References

Griffis, Margaret (2007), Casualties in Iraq, Retrieved April 22, 2007, from AntiWar.com Web site: http://antiwar.com/casualties/

Karl, J, & Clancy, M (2006). EXCLUSIVE: Iranian Weapons Arm Iraqi Militia. ABC News, Retrieved April 1, 2007, from http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=2688501.

Mueller, John (2007), What If We Leave?, The American Conservative, [6(4)], [7-9,5], retrieved March 27, 2007 EBSCOhost database.

OPEC Share of World Crude Oil Reserves (2007). Retrieved April 22, 2007, from OPEC Web site: http://www.opec.org/home/PowerPoint/Reserves/OPEC%20share.htm

President Bush, George H.W. (2002), during a new conference with the President of the Czech Republic.

Solemn tributes mark 9/11’s fifth anniversary (2006), retrieved March 27, 2007, from CNN.com Web site: http://cgi.cnn.com/2006/US/09/11/911.memorials/index.html

["B"]

Posting 3,990 useless post doesn't either...sucks for you.


You are right, but doing researcha nd reading countless books on the debate does help you become less ignorant. Maybe you should try.

[ShooterMcGavin]

And if they attack and kill your family in the mean time?
less ppl died from 9/11 than those that have died in iraq, and that's not counting iraqi civilian casualties

["B"]

less ppl died from 9/11 than those that have died in iraq, and that's not counting iraqi civilian casualties


Yes, in the 3 years that followed. Not in one instant.

[Spectic Tank]

less ppl died from 9/11 than those that have died in iraq, and that's not counting iraqi civilian casualties

I wouldn't be suprised if these two were in a bomb shelter somewhere eating rations from their comments so far.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Yes, in the 3 years that followed. Not in one instant.
um and? that makes it ok or something? why else would you point out something worthless like that?

["B"]

I wouldn't be suprised if these two were in a bomb shelter somewhere eating rations from their comments so far.


Ignorance is bliss I guess. I am in Charleston, SC. If you need proof, pm Echonova, as he is my boss.

[Spectic Tank]

You are right, but doing researcha nd reading countless books on the debate does help you become less ignorant. Maybe you should try.

yea, i can tell you're quite the expert...lol

[Spectic Tank]

Ignorance is bliss I guess. I am in Charleston, SC. If you need proof, pm Echonova, as he is my boss.

It's quite alright dude, i couldn't care less

["B"]

um and? that makes it ok or something? why else would you point out something worthless like that?

You are missing the point. How many of the people on those planes and in those towers had body armor and were carrying weapons to protect themselves? What? None? Interesting concept, huh?


You can not argue military facts with a war veteran. You can ask any soldier, ANY SOLDIER; if they would rather the terrorists shoot at them or their families and 100% of them would say themselves. Don't be ignorant just because you have not been in their position.

["B"]

yea, i can tell you're quite the expert...lol

I doubt you even bothered to read it.

[Leadfoot_mf]

so how is committing all our manpower and monetary resources across seas the answer to preventing 9/11 from happening again? how many times has it been proven by various agencies that it's not that hard to sneak weapons onboard aircraft still even 6 yrs after 9/11? how much dignity will you have as an american when you're required to strip down to near nakedness when going through airport security when our technology and equipment there is CLEARLY lacking?
well do something about it then. you went to tech, your an engineer please dont tell me you are wasting your degree on logistics.

[Leadfoot_mf]

Originally Posted by B's midterm paper
Is Pulling Troops out of Iraq Truly the Right Thing to do?

Bryon D. Pflueger I stopped reading here. lol

Axia College of University of Phoenix

COM120 Effective Persuasive Writing

April 22, 2007







Is Pulling Troops out of Iraq Truly the Right Thing to do?

On March 19, 2003, a “coalition of the willing” (Bush, 2002) invaded Iraq to topple the regime of Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein. This coalition was led by the United States and President George Bush. With the primary mission over in Iraq, the President declared the end of major fighting on May 1, 2003. Yet over four years later, America seems to be “bogged down in Iraq”; media polls are showing that the majority of Americans would like to see an exit strategy. However, leaving Iraq would be more of a disaster than staying put. The forces in Iraq are a vital part of America’s global projection of power and defensive strategy, and are the glue that is currently holding Iraq together.


The Publicity War



The Iraqi insurgents and foreign fighters in Iraq are waging a war of attrition against the United States; basically waiting for the U. S. to just get tired of war and leave. They figure that if enough body bags come home to American families, there will be popular opinion to pull troops out of Iraq. Their plan is working extremely well with the general population in America, as day in and day out another soldier is lost.



Al Qaeda in Iraq has won a major victory against the United States military. This victory did not take place on the battlefields of Iraq, however; it took place in the polling booths of small town America. On November 7, 2006, America collectively took the pro-war Republicans out of Congress and installed a new Congress; one controlled by the anti-war Democrats, led by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. Speaker Pelosi’s main argument to pull troops out of Iraq is that the lives of American troops are not worth the price being paid.





Speaker Pelosi (and her counterparts in the Senate) have effectively hijacked the military and have continuously tried to tie the hands of the President of the United States. They recently have passed new Legislation calling on a total troop withdrawal from Iraq. This Legislation is not likely to pass; as it is basically a shot in the direction of the White House and the current administration. But what happens when the troops do leave Iraq? John Mueller (2007, 6[4]) writes:



“. . . America’s exit from Iraq will exhilarate international terrorists because victory over the U. S. will seem even greater than victory over the Soviets in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden’s theory that Americans can be defeated, or at least inconvenienced, by inflicting comparatively small but continuously draining casualties on them will achieve apparent confirmation.”



While every soldier lost is a tragedy in itself, only 3,322 (Griffis, 2007) have lost their lives in Iraq in over four years. In comparison, 2,973 (CNN, 2006) Americans died in the early morning hours of September 11, 2001. Although there is no direct link between Iraq and what happened on that fateful day in 2001, the fact of the matter is that there have been no terrorist attacks on American soil since. One could argue that this has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in Iraq, but foreign fighters have flocked to Iraq by the thousands. Some of these fighters might have been trained to come to America instead but have been diverted by their leaders. They are now attacking armed American troops instead of unarmed and unprepared American civilians.



The Iraqi Military Structure



The Iraqi Interior Ministry is not capable of securing their streets, let alone their boarders. After the invasion was over, the Iraqi military and police were dissolved. This was done partly by the new Civil Administration in Iraq, but mostly by the Iraqis in these units themselves. Entire brigades of the Iraqi military just melted away into the population; members of these units just put their weapons down and went home. It was obviously a mistake of the Civil Administration to officially dissolve the Iraq armed forces, but this can not be undone four years later.



While a new Iraqi Defense Force is being trained, it takes time to fill the ranks. Most of these recruits are not seasoned veterans, but teenagers looking for work. They are easy targets for the foreign fighters. There have been many attacks against police and army recruiting stations around Iraq. Once a recent recruit has been killed, someone must be trained to take their place; it is not like training a soldier here in the United States.



Whole units of the Iraqi Defense Force have been found to be insurgents. These “death squads” as the Iraqis call them, are made up almost entirely of either Sunni or Shia. They go around harassing and killing people of the other faith. These units are hard to weed out because of the fear among the local population.





The Iran Connection



The Iran connection in Iraq is undeniable. Iran is a Shia dominated country, led by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khaminei. It has been reported by all three of the major American media outlets that Iran is manufacturing and supplying weapons and ammunition to Shia militias in Iran. In fact, on November 30, 2006, ABC reported:



“U.S. officials say they have found smoking-gun evidence of Iranian support for terrorists in Iraq: brand-new weapons fresh from Iranian factories. According to a senior defense official, coalition forces have recently seized Iranian-made weapons and munitions that bear manufacturing dates in 2006.”



Why would Iran supply weapons to the militias in Iraq? With the United States buried in conflict within Iraq, there would be less of a threat to the national security of Iran. Despite reports that America can fight a two front war; this is just not the case. The military is currently being stretched to its limits. If America cannot enact its preeminent strike policy, there is no threat of a large ground invasion to Iran. But this philosophy also works against Iran. With troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran has been effectively boxed in by the United States. The President of the United States, by using effective political and military maneuvering, has killed two birds with one stone.



Is Iran’s policy simply to keep the U. S. mired in Iraq or part of a bigger plan? The answer is not simple, but the facts speak for themselves. Iran has constantly defied the United Nations (UN) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Iran wants nuclear weapons and has banned IAEA nuclear weapons inspectors from entering Iran. They have also disabled all of the IAEA security cameras placed in Iranian nuclear facilities.



Tensions between Iran and the West have increased lately with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the President of Iran, repeatedly stating that Israel should be destroyed. In addition, on March 23, 2007, Iran seized 15 British sailors. The seized British sailors were operating under a UN mandate and within Iraqi waters with permission from the Iraqi government.



With Iran’s influence, Iraq’s policies would shift dramatically. Iraq currently has a pro-western government. If Iran was able to control Iraq through Iraqi leaders who took refuge in Iran during the Hussein regime, Iraq would back away from the West and become isolated just like the Iranian regime. The only difference would be that Iran would control a good portion of the oil output from the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), which already controls 79% of the world’s oil reserves (www.opec.org, 2006). This would be devastating to the economies of Western governments.



Antiwar advocates are saying that our occupation of Iraq is just another example of American imperialism. They also say that American lives are not worth a free Iraq. This isn’t about any of that; it is about keeping America safe. Having troops in Iraq puts American lives at risk, yes; but imagine how many more lives might have been lost if these terrorist had made it to the United States or Europe. This President has put the United States in a unique position. The United States is not only keeping terrorists from attacking its homeland; but also keeping Iran from gaining too much power in the region. We can not afford to pull troops out of Iraq and God help us if we do because the repercussions will not affect us, but our children.







References
Griffis, Margaret (2007), Casualties in Iraq, Retrieved April 22, 2007, from AntiWar.com Web site: http://antiwar.com/casualties/

Karl, J, & Clancy, M (2006). EXCLUSIVE: Iranian Weapons Arm Iraqi Militia. ABC News, Retrieved April 1, 2007, from http://abcnews.go.com/International...tory?id=2688501.

Mueller, John (2007), What If We Leave?, The American Conservative, [6(4)], [7-9,5], retrieved March 27, 2007 EBSCOhost database.

OPEC Share of World Crude Oil Reserves (2007). Retrieved April 22, 2007, from OPEC Web site: http://www.opec.org/home/PowerPoint...PEC%20share.htm

President Bush, George H.W. (2002), during a new conference with the President of the Czech Republic.

Solemn tributes mark 9/11’s fifth anniversary (2006), retrieved March 27, 2007, from CNN.com Web site: http://cgi.cnn.com/2006/US/09/11/91...ials/index.html

[USMC_is300]

Look im Mexican but i don't give a fuck! bunch of crying faggots..

if it was up to me this is the way all you fuckers would go back to your country

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i said my peace in the first post if you like it rep if you dont then i dont really care. ill let any of you bitches wear my boots for 1 day when you wake look at this everyday your opinion will change

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[Leadfoot_mf]

if it was up to me this is the way all you fuckers would go back to your country

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/albanydevildogg/nicepicturelolha1.jpg

i said my peace in the first post if you like it rep if you dont then i dont really care. ill let any of you bitches wear my boots for 1 day when you wake look at this everyday your opinion will change

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nice to see you are a properly brainwashed i mean trained marine.

[Maniaç]

if it was up to me this is the way all you fuckers would go back to your country

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/albanydevildogg/nicepicturelolha1.jpg

i said my peace in the first post if you like it rep if you dont then i dont really care. ill let any of you bitches wear my boots for 1 day when you wake look at this everyday your opinion will change

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Its like this; I don't give a fuck what you have to say. understand that..

[Evil Goat]

nice to see you are a properly brainwashed i mean trained marine.


thats just ignorant, plain and simple

["B"]

Bryon D. Pflueger I stopped reading here. lol



Try reading the whole thing.;)

[Leadfoot_mf]

thats just ignorant, plain and simple
is it? so tell me about boot camp chief.... i am waiting.

[Leadfoot_mf]

Try reading the whole thing.;)
i couldn't get past your last name it is like a cross between flogging and fucking. lol

["B"]

if it was up to me this is the way all you fuckers would go back to your country

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/albanydevildogg/nicepicturelolha1.jpg

i said my peace in the first post if you like it rep if you dont then i dont really care. ill let any of you bitches wear my boots for 1 day when you wake look at this everyday your opinion will change

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Check your reps.

["B"]

i couldn't get past your last name it is like a cross between flogging and fucking. lol


Copy, paste, delete the last name, READ IT.:lmfao:

[ultm8mind]

Turbo, I may not be in your boots, but I got my own brother. AIRBORNE!!

[USMC_is300]

Copy, paste, delete the last name, READ IT.:lmfao:
rep back at ya

[Leadfoot_mf]

Copy, paste, delete the last name, READ IT.:lmfao:
lol rep

[Wal-Mart]

Wow.

So i have a picture showing my approval (or lackthereof) for Bush and it turns into this? My friends, i know not everyone is going to agree with my views and all of you are NEVER going to completely agree with eachother. I bet even one of you idiots think the sky is really green...... just because everyone else says it's blue. And that's also probably someone who supports Bush.

I can support what i want. Its a simple truth. Just as you have the right to say you disagree with me. So by those simple actions we have agreed to disagree.

On to the flag issue. In my view, Bush has been doing that (disrespecting) to what the flag stands for for quite sometime. He has changed his reason for th ewar more then one time. What ever happened to WMDs?? When was Saddam directly and publicly threatening the US? They (Iraq) were not a strong enough country to do much, they were bluffing. And now we are taking away everything that was working for them and replacing it with "democracy" when thats not even what they want. Since when was it the US's job to anal dive other countries and ram them with what they should be doing?

Another example of Bushittery is this whole Libby deal. Pardoning someone that put someone else's life in danger because one dumbfuck politician didn't like another is pure bullshit and should be punished on top of the lying and covering up. But Bush decides that since it's a buddy of a buddy, he can just step in and throw it all away. If thats not STOMPING on the ideas this country was founded on and what the flag stands for, i dont' know what is.

I mean, this idiots even forgets what door he comes into a room from. Not to mention he has the though and speech comprehension of a 5th grader until someone puts cue cards in front of him.

You can say what you want, i can say what i want. It IS that simple and some of you people are going off in oi3u45oiupo3i4 different directions about the subject. My point is that Bush is not standing behind this country and is acting like a petulant, stubborn child and will only do what HE wants to do without the input from the people who put him there... and by "those people", i don't mean other fat, overly wealthy politicians. I mean you and me.

[d993s]

So who is this fagwag3n moron? ........my knuckles are itching

[Leadfoot_mf]

dave you know deep down inside u dont like bush.....u like your women young.

[Evil Goat]

is it? so tell me about boot camp chief.... i am waiting.


im not cut out for the military, id be the first person in line to admit that, however insinuating that a member of our armed forces has been brainwashed just b/c he has something he strongly believes in is just plain ignorant

[Leadfoot_mf]

im not cut out for the military, id be the first person in line to admit that, however insinuating that a member of our armed forces has been brainwashed just b/c he has something he strongly believes in is just plain ignorant

really so u just think i am talking out my ass that i never served myself stfu asshat.

[d993s]

dave you know deep down inside u dont like bush.....u like your girls young.


Girls! I corrected your thoughtless mistake.
Yes, well..........YES! YES! Young poontang.........with the first down of short, thin hair.......or none at all.

But right now I wanna fracture someone's head

[Deke]

if one is to read the constitution it is a federal crime to desecrate the american flag


Oh, we're obeying the constitution again? I guess the executive branch missed the memo.

[Bballjamal]

I agree with Wal-Mart, yet, I don't see the point of the guy who wrote on the flag and turned it upside down! Also, 'he' sorta looks like a chick, and I HIGHLY doubt 'he' could be ready to take on the rage from some of these soilders unless he was packin`...

But debate on! Good shit from both sides

[Blitanicle99]

Bulshit I dont just watch movies to find out what is going on in our war. I have plenty of friends there that I talk to quite a bit. I have 3 buddies in rangers that I dont hear from for months due to their missions.

I will glady and proudly serve my country with the best. I know the risks but for all that I have been given, it is time to give back.

I seriously believe every person out of Highschool should have to serve in the military for a certain period of years no question about it. Isreal has a great idea with that one and I would like much to see that on our own soil.

[Leadfoot_mf]

Bulshit I dont just watch movies to find out what is going on in our war. I have plenty of friends there that I talk to quite a bit. I have 3 buddies in rangers that I dont hear from for months due to their missions.

I will glady and proudly serve my country with the best. I know the risks but for all that I have been given, it is time to give back.

I seriously believe every person out of Highschool should have to serve in the military for a certain period of years no question about it. Isreal has a great idea with that one and I would like much to see that on our own soil.
yeah a mandatory army would be great with all the shit head kids not wanting to serve but being forced to serve i am sure all the enlisted troops already serving agree with you there :rolleyes:

[Bballjamal]

Oh, we're obeying the constitution again? I guess the executive branch missed the memo.


lol..........................................

You're not referring to the constitutions straight forwardness in some areas and other areas that have that "open area of meaning so add whatever you feel it really means and abide by what you think it really means which can mean a whole bunch of things when a whole bunch of people who are buddies and friends, of the dollar that is, agrees on it "

[Jerra]

Umm...the guy didn't have the balls to show his face...so why are you getting all pissy. He is a pussy who doesn't have the balls to stand up for what he believes in and suffer the consequences.

[Wal-Mart]

Wow.

So i have a picture showing my approval (or lackthereof) for Bush and it turns into this? My friends, i know not everyone is going to agree with my views and all of you are NEVER going to completely agree with eachother. I bet even one of you idiots think the sky is really green...... just because everyone else says it's blue. And that's also probably someone who supports Bush.

I can support what i want. Its a simple truth. Just as you have the right to say you disagree with me. So by those simple actions we have agreed to disagree.

On to the flag issue. In my view, Bush has been doing that (disrespecting) to what the flag stands for for quite sometime. He has changed his reason for th ewar more then one time. What ever happened to WMDs?? When was Saddam directly and publicly threatening the US? They (Iraq) were not a strong enough country to do much, they were bluffing. And now we are taking away everything that was working for them and replacing it with "democracy" when thats not even what they want. Since when was it the US's job to anal dive other countries and ram them with what they should be doing?

Another example of Bushittery is this whole Libby deal. Pardoning someone that put someone else's life in danger because one dumbfuck politician didn't like another is pure bullshit and should be punished on top of the lying and covering up. But Bush decides that since it's a buddy of a buddy, he can just step in and throw it all away. If thats not STOMPING on the ideas this country was founded on and what the flag stands for, i dont' know what is.

I mean, this idiots even forgets what door he comes into a room from. Not to mention he has the though and speech comprehension of a 5th grader until someone puts cue cards in front of him.

You can say what you want, i can say what i want. It IS that simple and some of you people are going off in oi3u45oiupo3i4 different directions about the subject. My point is that Bush is not standing behind this country and is acting like a petulant, stubborn child and will only do what HE wants to do without the input from the people who put him there... and by "those people", i don't mean other fat, overly wealthy politicians. I mean you and me. Quoting to bring to the top of the page so more of you people read this.

[Jerra]

Anyone wanna give a girl some notes...??

[Leadfoot_mf]

Umm...the guy didn't have the balls to show his face...so why are you getting all pissy. He is a pussy who doesn't have the balls to stand up for what he believes in and suffer the consequences.

we all know you have balls i mean the balls to do it.

[Leadfoot_mf]

Quoting to bring to the top of the page so more of you people read this.

what do u know about war draft dodger?

[Evil Goat]

Another example of Bushittery is this whole Libby deal. Pardoning someone that put someone else's life in danger because one dumbfuck politician didn't like another is pure bullshit and should be punished on top of the lying and covering up. But Bush decides that since it's a buddy of a buddy, he can just step in and throw it all away. If thats not STOMPING on the ideas this country was founded on and what the flag stands for, i dont' know what is.



oh man...you are far off on this one...you get this from cnn?

libby was a fall guy, plain and simple, do you even remember, or know for that matter, what the original investigation was about? if youre gonna start an argument atleast come to the table educated, libby was never charged with outing valerie plame, he was charged with one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements - hardly disclosing the name of a CIA covert agent, or conspiring to do so.

back to my original question, since i know you dont know the answer, the original investigation was to find out whether or not the identification of Valerie Plame was a violation of federal law. The answer to that question is apparently NO. it's a safe bet to assume that the identification of Plame was not a crime, either because she was not a covert CIA agent at the time the identification was made, or because the person making the identification was not aware of her status....the evidence shows to be that she was not covert at the time she was identified. No crime, end of story.

libby was not charged with disclosing the name of a cia covert agent, libbys lying to the grand jury is no different than what bill clinton plead guilty too, and even had his arkansas license to practice law revoked because of - yet its bush whos a douschebag.....the fact is that libby was prosecuted following an investigation of an action that did not constitute a crime under our laws.

btw, it wasnt a pardon, it was an executive clemency, meaning the guilty verdict stays, but the sentence was commuted

[Jerra]

I have the balls to stand up for what I believe in, yes. It is a phrase...if you want to turn it around and make it about me being a dude...have at it. I have no problem saying and defending my beliefs.

[ultm8mind]

It's not just Israel there Blitanicle, several countries require people to serve. I too, think it is a good idea.