Dig runs???!??!!!?

[josh green]

Not to often that I come in here and look a the shit talking but just curious as to why no one does dig runs? Is there just no place to do them or people just like seeing who has the better power/weight ratio? I have seen some cars on here that look like they can get it done, but I NEVER hear of anyone doing them. I want to see some vids of some fast street cars running. Night time videos blow ass unless you have night vision lens, I could care less to see head lights and tail lights moving back and forth.
I just bring this up b/c I see a lot of rwd and AWD cars in here and they are all doing hwy pulls. You guys should be begging for the dig runs, especially the awd guys. Some of the awd guys are making 500whp plus, are you scared your going to break something, not good with the clutch pedal? Maybe its just where I am from. No one does any hwy pulls, its all about who can back pedal the best. Maybe that guy in the blown 350z that you blew the doors off can get his power down and make you sweat out catching up? Lets see who the real drivers are...... Not talking shit, just tired of watching nascar of the street.

[Vteckidd]

I agree.

the main reason is i think the dig run spots got too hot for some time. I think alot of people nowadays dont want to break their car, dont want to have to deal with running at a spot then when the cops show you have to flee.

Highway runs are much "SAFER" in terms of getting caught. your doing 130mph an pass a cop, you can get away.

I also think alot of guys are scared to do dig runs because it will show how good or how bad of a driver they really are. i mean can you imagine a 500whp vette losing to a 200whp honda from a dig run? lots of people cant take that kind of ego bruising.

half the fast cars in the kills forum that were winning all the roll runs never did much at the track.

I just think thats what they are used to, an its simpler, easier, and less likely to get caught

[SpeedyDGP]

most of the people here go to the track anyway and know what thir time slips are. that's why they do highway pulls to see witch car has the best all around.

there is also a better chance of getting busted somewhere where you stop ad do dig runs

there aren't very many places that are long enough to be safe for the faster cars here because of the speeds reached

unless you want to do 1/8 mile witch is a BS run

that is why I think that happends

[koffebean00]

I like digs! :goodjob: :yes:

[FAHHQUE700]

i gotta dig for ya........... come and get some

[2.3 Evo 8]

We do digs. We don't always tell about them though.

[Lankhoss]

I don't like dig runs for a couple of reasons. I'm not out to "get" any person in particular, so I feel that a highway run is more car vs. car rather than driver vs. driver. For one thing, I'm really more interested in that than "WHO" I can drive better than, anyway. But more importantly than that, is dig racing seems more dangerous to me. There's a far greater chance of me breaking something on my car, and also a much greater chance of people losing traction and losing control of their car, possibly causing an accident.

I'm not necessarily AGAINST dig runs, I just don't have any interest in doing them. Like Speedy mentioned above...I have run at a track several times, and racing people there is fun. I know what I'm capable of from a dig.

Edit: That being said, we made some video of me and 198plus doing some dig runs last night lol He suckered me into it, and I wheel-hopped so bad on the first run, I'm surprised my rearend didn't shatter.

[LEAVINU]

I personally dont like dig runs b/c of broken parts. If I was not afraid to break I would run digs like I run rolls now. I just don't have the bank account to support broken vette drivetrain. Just a fact.:cry:

[josh green]

Dig runs are great, its really all about the driving and its just nice to see who can do it. I dont think there are very many cars in this kills forums section who will trap over 130mph. so I dont see stopping THAT hard. I do see how its safer but roll racing is NOTHING the same, there is little excitement. Start in your rolling gear, honk, depress gas pedal, wait... shift, wait.... brakes. The dig runs are a much slower more involved race, your actually having to create your cars momentum and the need to exceed 120 is rare, b/c by 120 the driving is over and power/aerodynamics are all that left to go faster. Most roll races I have seen the outcome is apparent before the race even happens. Nothing like the nervousness sitting at the line wandering who is putting it down faster. If AMS can run 8's on stock tranny and t-case I dont see why anyone else cant launch the car. Parts breakage is usually from driver error though, but some parts are costly. It just doesnt excite me, I mean just build a 500whp gutted crx and dominate the highway.

[SpeedyDGP]

a gutted 500whp crx would not dominate the highway

cause tq would be like 350

adn you'd need traction witch the CRX would not have much of

unless it was trailered to the spot with slicks on it

99% of these cars are either daily or weekend driven (street legal)

[josh green]

a gutted 500whp crx would not dominate the highway

cause tq would be like 350

adn you'd need traction witch the CRX would not have much of

unless it was trailered to the spot with slicks on it

99% of these cars are either daily or weekend driven (street legal)


LOL @ you, you dont need torque at those speeds, its all hp. At 60mph traction in a crx wouldnt be an issue either. Torque gets you moving, horsepower keeps you going. Sport bikes are fast... do you think they have torque? Not unless its a v-twin.

[Vteckidd]

not true, TQ still plays a big role.

if TQ didnt matter than sport bikes would crush everyone. But clark takes down bikes all the time.

Highway rolls are dependant on HP,TQ, Gearing, DRIVER.

Why do you think V8s are dominant on the highway? TQ.

Why does Deckers 350whp 2J destroy other cars making more HP? cause he has more TQ and a much fatter powerband.

[josh green]

If that was true the old skool v8's would be great 1/4 mile cars. torque is for the 1/8 mile.

[Vteckidd]

your confusing TQ with gearing.

[FAHHQUE700]

Why do you think V8s are dominant on the highway? TQ.

From a dig also.... :D

[Vteckidd]

if TQ didnt matter then why do 600cc bikes or 1000cc bikes that rev to 18000 rpms lose to 3000lb 400whp turbo cars?

Why did my 160 ft/lb TQ crx beat 300whp.300TQ turbo cars? GEARING
Why does Decker beat higher hp cars ? TQ
Why did Nyteryder beat so many people? Driver skill

[SpooL'DGsR]

if TQ didnt matter then why do 600cc bikes or 1000cc bikes that rev to 18000 rpms lose to 3000lb 400whp turbo cars?

Why did my 160 ft/lb TQ crx beat 300whp.300TQ turbo cars? GEARING
Why does Decker beat higher hp cars ? TQ
Why did Nyteryder beat so many people? Driver skill


Very well put sir !!!

[Leadfoot_mf]

bottom line it is not safe.

[CHADbee]

spinnin aint winnin

and neither is jail

[AnclyT]

we have the 1/4 drag strip for dig!

[Maniaç]

i have to agree with Chad abot the jail issue.
digs are fun and is considered a real race. but its way to hot out, to go around doing that on the streets.

[Lankhoss]

I don't quite understand your big-winded response. People gave legitimate reasons as to why they don't like doing dig runs, and you basically responded with "but I like them better!!!"

Yeah, if things break...it's driver error. For one, I am by no means a professional. And 2....why should I even ALLOW myself to be put in a position where my "error" could break my car? It's got an IRS, not a solid axle. MOST cars nowadays don't have solid axles, and aren't nearly as good for dig racing as older cars were. Mix that in with your casual crusing cars now have about twice as much horsepower as they did 5 years ago, and you'll understand why dig racing isn't as popular as it was in the days of old.

If anyone here wants to dig race, they/we usually just do it at the track. Where people can swap out their rear tires/wheels, lower tire pressure, and race on a track prepped with VHT. That's way easier on your car than wheel hopping the piss out of the rearend on 35psi tires when it's 45 degrees out on a normal road that's not MEANT for traction.

[Lankhoss]

If that was true the old skool v8's would be great 1/4 mile cars. torque is for the 1/8 mile.

They do, actually. A lot of full blown drag cars have old ass push rod carbureator big block V8's in them.

Keep in mind, people's "toys" that they like to race on weekends are NOT the same things as drag race cars.

[David88vert]

if TQ didnt matter then why do 600cc bikes or 1000cc bikes that rev to 18000 rpms lose to 3000lb 400whp turbo cars?


If a bike lost to a 3000lb 400whp car, the rider couldn't ride - at all. Or he was trying to make you think that your fast.

And the liter bikes don't rev as high as you think.

[josh green]

They do, actually. A lot of full blown drag cars have old ass push rod carbureator big block V8's in them.

Keep in mind, people's "toys" that they like to race on weekends are NOT the same things as drag race cars.
That is comparing apples to oranges we are not talking fully built drag cars. To get an old skool v8 car to run fast in the 1/4 takes a lot of power. That is why most only race 1/8 mile, they make tons of low end torque and with a high gear they go fast for a short time. Hints why there is like 5 1/8 strips here in GA and 3 1/4, the 1/4 mile tracks cater to 1/8 racing as well.

As for the "i like it better statement" Where I live thats what people do, most have the older v8's that dont really have the power to run a good 1/4 time so dig racing is what they do. But not all the cars here are underpowered and old. There are a couple that have taken their cars well into the 9's and drive them every weekend. One of them being a vette, so he is equipped with the same rear end and irs setup as any other new chevy. I guess my question has been answered, hwy pulls are much less likely to get caught, and you cant break anything.

Mike, Deckers car is fast b/c he is learning how to drive it. Hell he has ran faster than 2j240sx has and with 1/2 the power. He went from running 13' and 14's to running 12's from seat time. Which kinda gets back to my original post. 2jdave can bust Deckers ass all day long on the hwy, but from a dig, my money is on Decker.

[Leadfoot_mf]

u can change your sig now. i guess u didnt get the memo.

[Lankhoss]

Wow, I have never seen a statement like that before. Engines run great 1/8 miles, but don't have the power to run 1/4??? Are you kidding me??

The reason people run 1/8 instead of 1/4 is not because a lack of power, it's because they're more focused on their launch. You will hear people who run 1/8's talk about their reaction time and 60' times more than their 1/8 times. People who run the 1/4....well, you usually just hear about their ET. And about gearing.....I can't imagine a type of gearing that can't get a car through a 1/4 mile heh

[198plus]

God I guess 427 L88 427 ZRI 454 LS6 454 LS7 Don't have no high end torque you got to be kidding :lmfao: and if you want to do a dig to 200mph let's get to it. That cover's all base's driver skills and who's got the biggest :???: lol Just fucking with you it really just boils down what your car is set up for. :goodjob:
That is comparing apples to oranges we are not talking fully built drag cars. To get an old skool v8 car to run fast in the 1/4 takes a lot of power. That is why most only race 1/8 mile, they make tons of low end torque and with a high gear they go fast for a short time. Hints why there is like 5 1/8 strips here in GA and 3 1/4, the 1/4 mile tracks cater to 1/8 racing as well.

As for the "i like it better statement" Where I live thats what people do, most have the older v8's that dont really have the power to run a good 1/4 time so dig racing is what they do. But not all the cars here are underpowered and old. There are a couple that have taken their cars well into the 9's and drive them every weekend. One of them being a vette, so he is equipped with the same rear end and irs setup as any other new chevy. I guess my question has been answered, hwy pulls are much less likely to get caught, and you cant break anything.

Mike, Deckers car is fast b/c he is learning how to drive it. Hell he has ran faster than 2j240sx has and with 1/2 the power. He went from running 13' and 14's to running 12's from seat time. Which kinda gets back to my original post. 2jdave can bust Deckers ass all day long on the hwy, but from a dig, my money is on Decker.

[1civic]

:diespam: .....You guys kill me.... :lmfao: ...............

[josh green]

God I guess 427 L88 427 ZRI 454 LS6 454 LS7 Don't have no high end torque you got to be kidding :lmfao: and if you want to do a dig to 200mph let's get to it. That cover's all base's driver skills and who's got the biggest :???: lol Just fucking with you it really just boils down what your car is set up for. :goodjob:
We were referring to the old v8's that would be in cars from 1980 and older. Most of them that I have seen are running 1/8 mile. We go to steele quite a bit and most of the baddest older cars are only running the 1/8. It is cheaper and easier to go fast in the 1/8. A good suspension setup, heads, cam, headers, and gear on a 350 will net you a pretty nice 1/8 time. But talking to the guys running the cars, low redline with 3 speed and a gear they dont have any more gear left to go through the 1/4 and changing the gear, most arent making the power. Most of the old v8's running 1/4 are making some pretty big power, usually from a pretty big blower, big stages of nitrous, or turbocharging. I used to work with a guy who built turbo mustangs back in cali and all his cars made pretty big power and stock 2xx rear end gear b/c he was making the power to pull it.

I am not trying to step on people toes, just like to see some good driving once in a while.

[03CobraAV8R]

Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket...

Just because a car is setup to run in the 1/8th doesn't mean it does not have the power to run in the 1/4 - that is one of the most retarded assumptions I have ever heard. It has the power, but it often times does not have the gearing.

Quit being such a silly goose. :gay:

[Vteckidd]

i guess i just dont get where highway rolls mean you arent a good driver.

i mean, knowing your car, powerband, gearing, shift points is all info you need to know.

[ct9a gsr]

I prefer dig runs at the track over roll races on the highway... never have I really launched my car on the public roads. That's dangerous. =D

[David88vert]

We were referring to the old v8's that would be in cars from 1980 and older. Most of them that I have seen are running 1/8 mile. We go to steele quite a bit and most of the baddest older cars are only running the 1/8. It is cheaper and easier to go fast in the 1/8. A good suspension setup, heads, cam, headers, and gear on a 350 will net you a pretty nice 1/8 time. But talking to the guys running the cars, low redline with 3 speed and a gear they dont have any more gear left to go through the 1/4 and changing the gear, most arent making the power. Most of the old v8's running 1/4 are making some pretty big power, usually from a pretty big blower, big stages of nitrous, or turbocharging. I used to work with a guy who built turbo mustangs back in cali and all his cars made pretty big power and stock 2xx rear end gear b/c he was making the power to pull it.

I am not trying to step on people toes, just like to see some good driving once in a while.

Try going to a NHRA, NMRA, or ORSCA event. Lots of all motor V8s running a lot quicker than you - in the 1/4.

1/8 mile tracks are easier and cheaper to build and insure. Hence, more of them.

[Init2winit]

Not to often that I come in here and look a the shit talking but just curious as to why no one does dig runs? Is there just no place to do them or people just like seeing who has the better power/weight ratio? I have seen some cars on here that look like they can get it done, but I NEVER hear of anyone doing them. I want to see some vids of some fast street cars running. Night time videos blow ass unless you have night vision lens, I could care less to see head lights and tail lights moving back and forth.
I just bring this up b/c I see a lot of rwd and AWD cars in here and they are all doing hwy pulls. You guys should be begging for the dig runs, especially the awd guys. Some of the awd guys are making 500whp plus, are you scared your going to break something, not good with the clutch pedal? Maybe its just where I am from. No one does any hwy pulls, its all about who can back pedal the best. Maybe that guy in the blown 350z that you blew the doors off can get his power down and make you sweat out catching up? Lets see who the real drivers are...... Not talking shit, just tired of watching nascar of the street.
This is how the real boys do it!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TUePLrOnGO0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rDbYDgIyStA

[josh green]

i guess i just dont get where highway rolls mean you arent a good driver.

i mean, knowing your car, powerband, gearing, shift points is all info you need to know.
C'mon mike I know this isnt a serious question. You start at a speed with no traction issues, and you shift when you have no rpm left...... I dont know anyone who has missed a 3rd to 4th shift. I mean that black supra at showdown ran as inconsistent as running a 12 or 13 and then a 9.9 then back to 12. But I am sure its a beast on the hwy.

[josh green]

This is how the real boys do it!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TUePLrOnGO0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rDbYDgIyStA


That is some street racing, the 2nd video that guy was a car before dude even thought about going.

[Nightsrt4]

"if TQ didnt matter then why do 600cc bikes or 1000cc bikes that rev to 18000 rpms lose to 3000lb 400whp turbo cars?

Why did my 160 ft/lb TQ crx beat 300whp.300TQ turbo cars? GEARING
Why does Decker beat higher hp cars ? TQ
Why did Nyteryder beat so many people? Driver skill"


Um Please let a car of those standards beat me on my 600rr i will race for slips any day and cash and my first born....Point is it cant... 0-130 anyone want to prove me wrong PM ME the info

[1civic]

This is how the real boys do it!



A chase is a race but damn he waited long enough to leave... He had no chance... :lmfao: ...

[1civic]

Um Please let a car of those standards beat me on my 600rr i will race for slips any day and cash and my first born....Point is it cant... 0-130 anyone want to prove me wrong PM ME the info

Dude, I was out on my 600 and no one was able to beat me... :lmfao: .. On the other hand, There are a couple of guys on here that can out run Bikes though... ;) .. I just never got to race them... :rolleyes: .. Down low Bikes are hard to beat.. :goodjob:

[Nightsrt4]

I know but he is claiming a 3000lb car w/ 400 hp can beat me on my bike its not possible for anyone on this forum from 0-30 starting to 120-130 max
and if they think they can pm me and you can try for fun or cash

Also 600's are not hwy beast by anymeans ROFL there are alot faster cars on here...Just stating my 2cents if i am wrong prove it.

[Vteckidd]

Dude, I was out on my 600 and no one was able to beat me... :lmfao: .. On the other hand, There are a couple of guys on here that can out run Bikes though... ;) .. I just never got to race them... :rolleyes: .. Down low Bikes are hard to beat.. :goodjob:
i agree, i was making a blanket statement, didnt mean to offend everyone, i was merely just showing that bikes who have alot of hp with almost no weight still dont have the top end that a much heavier car has

[Vteckidd]

C'mon mike I know this isnt a serious question. You start at a speed with no traction issues, and you shift when you have no rpm left...... I dont know anyone who has missed a 3rd to 4th shift. I mean that black supra at showdown ran as inconsistent as running a 12 or 13 and then a 9.9 then back to 12. But I am sure its a beast on the hwy.
then why did daniels 630whp integra lose to nyteryders 440who 240 BAD?

why did my 190whp CRX run door to door with Hugos Modded S4 before he had the turbo upgrades?


im not trying to pick a fight with you josh, i understand what you are saying, but you are saying it the WRONG way.

highway rolls take skill too. POWERBAND, GEARING, BRAKE BOOSTING, MPH, RPM, WEIGHT all play a role

[Nightsrt4]

And i believe that statement =P i stay ahead of Lankoss from 60 roll to 135 and at 160 he gets about a car and a 1/2 on me. V8 FTW little 600FTL Topend sucks plus my Sprocket Changed my Top end alot.

[Nightsrt4]

Numbers dont lie but you can have all the power in the world and not move very far
Knowing your car is key the better you know it the better you can run and become a better driver w/ what you have.

[Vteckidd]

i guarantee if spoolin comes out with 600whp with drag radials, and does a highway roll, he gets killed by a much LESSER car.

why? cause thats not spoolins arena.

now take spoolin to the track and race the same car and my money is on spoolin.

now whoe the better driver?

[Nightsrt4]

If you referring to what i said that would come under the part of knowing your car =)
and being a better driver for what your car is good at. In his case its the track and becoming a better driver for the track and maybe getting slicks not drag radials. i dont know him or anything about him so i am just going on what you said.

[Vteckidd]

If you referring to what i said that would come under the part of knowing your car =)
and being a better driver for what your car is good at. In his case its the track and becoming a better driver for the track and maybe getting slicks not drag radials. i dont know him or anything about him so i am just going on what you said.
i was asking josh green since he said it takes no skill to highway race

[St0lenR]

then why did daniels 630whp integra lose to nyteryders 440who 240 BAD?

why did my 190whp CRX run door to door with Hugos Modded S4 before he had the turbo upgrades?


im not trying to pick a fight with you josh, i understand what you are saying, but you are saying it the WRONG way.

highway rolls take skill too. POWERBAND, GEARING, BRAKE BOOSTING, MPH, RPM, WEIGHT all play a role

I miss those days...

I wish the new generation would grow some balls and keep it traditional

[Nightsrt4]

LoL ok and yes Highway Rolls take alot of skill Boris has the Honking skill to go Beep...Beep.Beep and Go skill or is that cheating =P

[1civic]

It does take a little know how to race a car !!.. But you also need a car that is going to work... :goodjob: .. If you come out in your FWD with 600+ HP than you better be on some good tires and I still don't think it will have a chance under a 60 kick to 120... Even though I got alot of shit for my cars I still came out and ran, Even if it was a Higher HP car, Sometimes I won and sometimes I lost, I've had the NA Civics, Turbo 240, Mustang, And Bikes.. I've done my fair Share of races....... Its all in fun on the Highway but I do think it takes 1 Hell of a Car and a Driver to run from a Dig, Its all in what you build your car for though.. :goodjob: .. Thats my :2cents:

[Nightsrt4]

Man i keep hitting refresh work is so boring. And this convo is getting old point is it takes skill to do anything the more you practice the better you will become the problem with practice on a car is parts get old and break if done wrong and some are just not ment to hold what you are doing you also must know what you are going for and build it for what it is. Money talks....

[josh green]

highway rolls take skill too. POWERBAND, GEARING, BRAKE BOOSTING, MPH, RPM, WEIGHT all play a role
So which of those take skill? brake boosting is the only one and it takes about 5 min to learn how, all the rest are mechanical. I got a buddy with a FAST car, he does really well on the hwy and just not that well around a track or at the strip. He just isnt much of a driver.


i guarantee if spoolin comes out with 600whp with drag radials, and does a highway roll, he gets killed by a much LESSER car.

why? cause thats not spoolins arena.

now take spoolin to the track and race the same car and my money is on spoolin.

now whoe the better driver?
I dont know about that, HWY pulls are not a big thing to us, but is fun every now and then to mess with a guy in an expensive car. Brake boosting is easy and takes about 5 min retain muscle memory. Daniels car made a lot of power but for some reason didnt go fast probably the LS tranny. Spoolins white car always has been fast in every aspect.

[josh green]

I you could consider hwy racing the same as marine drag racing. The both get a rolling start.

[boosted_nonv]

I do miss the old hard core street racing, i gotta go back to New York to enjoy that type of shit