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4dmin
07-06-2005, 04:44 PM
EURO DYNO DAY Sat. Aug 20th (100$ cash prize)

Presented by: Importatlanta.com, Batlground Engineering, & Eurotech

We have room for 20 prereg spots post up if you wanna join in the fun:

1. Paul "admin" Golf 2001 1.8t
2. Joey "Clipz99" TT 2002 1.8t (225 Quatro LAMS)
3. Walker 2000 1.8t Jetta
4. Brady 05 Volvo S40 T5
5. LUIS 02GTI http://forums.importatlanta.com/images/smilies/smile.gif 1.8T
6. Robert Bishop 02 GTI 1.8T
7. Kevin Fayerweather aka kevr6 2004 R32
8. Jordan, 01.5 Passat 1.8T
9.Tommy Atkins 2001 A4 Avant 1.8TQ
10. Hugo 2000 Audi S4
11. Leo '00 Audi A4 QMS
12. Darko. 98 A4 1.8t FWD K04
13. John "Rengu" 2002 VW GTI 1.8T
14. Felix Folster 2004 Audi A4 Avant 1.8T Quattro
15. Alen 00 Audi A4 1.8TQ
16. david 96 vw gti vr6
17. Nick Foster VW R32
18. Scott 2002 1.8t Jetta (South Carolina)
19. Bonham 2001.5 S4
20.
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Clipz99
07-06-2005, 04:49 PM
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4dmin
07-06-2005, 04:51 PM
^ everything is in the flyer: 30$ to runs which is a good deal for awd and Aug 20th Saturday, 12pm-5pm

Clipz99
07-06-2005, 04:52 PM
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Tracy
07-06-2005, 05:00 PM
YAY Euro stuff! Se ya'll here.

DeutscheBAG!
07-06-2005, 06:31 PM
sign me up
Walker 2000 1.8t Jetta

s four t5
07-06-2005, 07:58 PM
I'm in for sure....Brady 05 Volvo S40 T5

4dmin
07-06-2005, 08:39 PM
added

B00sted1.8t
07-06-2005, 09:01 PM
SIGN ME UP..... LUIS 02GTI :) 1.8T

4dmin
07-06-2005, 09:02 PM
:werd: added

Ruiner
07-06-2005, 09:04 PM
Unlike my 911 turbo, some cars don't required mechanically linked drums to yield accurate readings without burning up clutch/dif packs. I have a specific AWD setup that requires this, however.The drums are different sizes on the Dynojet (I believe that this is correct), and they are not mechanically linked. If the center dif were to seize, you could potentially see the car jump right off of the dyno and into the brick wall.

I would have to disconnect the front drive shaft in order to dyno on an AWD Dynojet. The front diffs will not handle the AWD system on the Dynojet. The only AWD system that is currently used on a standard basis for the 911 turbo is the AWD Mustang dyno (unless we disconnect the front drive shaft).

4dmin
07-06-2005, 09:06 PM
^ i :thinking: dunno call dan to see if that is possible

Tracer
07-06-2005, 09:33 PM
Hey guys do you think if I put a VW logo on my car, you guys will count it as an Euro car?

If so........SIGN ME UP!!!!!!

4dmin
07-06-2005, 09:42 PM
if we need some alternate cars i'll let ya know :D

Tracer
07-06-2005, 09:47 PM
I'm sure Tracy won't mind......but its up to you Paul.

Bling
07-06-2005, 09:48 PM
hey ruiner its Dan with the Talon from way back...actually I think Dan dyno'd a porsche recently, it involved removing some fuse or something, but it worked, im sure of it.

Tracy
07-07-2005, 03:16 PM
We actually got this new RPM pickup to go with the dyno. We don't have to use the old RPM pick up thing that we had to use in the past. It works on Porche's. We actually bought it so that we can dyno Proche's and Diesel's.

Tracy
07-07-2005, 03:19 PM
Unlike my 911 turbo, some cars don't required mechanically linked drums to yield accurate readings without burning up clutch/dif packs. I have a specific AWD setup that requires this, however.The drums are different sizes on the Dynojet (I believe that this is correct), and they are not mechanically linked. If the center dif were to seize, you could potentially see the car jump right off of the dyno and into the brick wall.

I would have to disconnect the front drive shaft in order to dyno on an AWD Dynojet. The front diffs will not handle the AWD system on the Dynojet. The only AWD system that is currently used on a standard basis for the 911 turbo is the AWD Mustang dyno (unless we disconnect the front drive shaft).


You actually have to change a setting on the dyno (I think it has something to do with the calibration od something. I'm not sure). We recently learned this from dynojet. I'm going to forward this to Dan so that he can explain it better.

PhunkyStamos
07-07-2005, 04:24 PM
Hey sign me up (Robert Bishop 02 GTI 1.8T), I've been wantin to meet some dub folks for awhile and see what kinda numbers my chipped car is putting out. Hopefully it'll be running right by then. Thanks :goodjob:

Ruiner
07-07-2005, 07:34 PM
hey ruiner its Dan with the Talon from way back...actually I think Dan dyno'd a porsche recently, it involved removing some fuse or something, but it worked, im sure of it.

It was a silver '02 with chip and exhaust. I sent him to Batlground. However, we found out later (from our Porsche experts) that we got lucky and could have fried the diff.

chmura
07-08-2005, 12:45 PM
I'll be in..... prop with the getta, maybe golf for show.........


I will try to get my sis out there and her friends....

namahs
07-08-2005, 01:20 PM
Unlike my 911 turbo, some cars don't required mechanically linked drums to yield accurate readings without burning up clutch/dif packs. I have a specific AWD setup that requires this, however.The drums are different sizes on the Dynojet (I believe that this is correct), and they are not mechanically linked. If the center dif were to seize, you could potentially see the car jump right off of the dyno and into the brick wall.

I would have to disconnect the front drive shaft in order to dyno on an AWD Dynojet. The front diffs will not handle the AWD system on the Dynojet. The only AWD system that is currently used on a standard basis for the 911 turbo is the AWD Mustang dyno (unless we disconnect the front drive shaft).

hey ruiner,
the mustang dyno is not mechanically linked, the dyno dynamics is not eitheir. the mustang has a brake control program to make sure that both drums decelerate at the same rate. the accleration is fine, its the decel that makes the difference. we have a sysetm on our dyno at batlground to dial in the decel speeds of both drums so that they both decelerate at the same rate and stop at the same time.
dan

chuck
07-08-2005, 03:06 PM
i'll try to talk my brother into it...he was just up at eurotech wednesday getting his ECU flashed for the S4, thanks for the heads up on that paul, he said the guy was really nice and they took good care of him.

4dmin
07-08-2005, 03:11 PM
^ no prob brian and them are very good w/ the dubs... hope to see the S4 out

Allstar3.8T
07-08-2005, 03:56 PM
I'm in, hook me up on the list Paul! (If I still have the car...if not I'll do the GLI.)

rollininstyle2004
07-09-2005, 11:03 AM
Im in:
Jordan, 01.5 Passat 1.8T (Paul, I am the one with the Black Passat, we talked at Import Frenzy)

4dmin
07-09-2005, 12:54 PM
sweet glad to see you on the board :goodjob:

VANCE
07-12-2005, 09:32 AM
what do those vw's normally put down?

4dmin
07-12-2005, 09:42 AM
^ just varys... my stock 2001 1.8t put 150hp 160lbs down... now a k03s which would be 02-04 should put down alittle more stock, all bolt on's plus chip should yeild 200-250hp 250-300lbs range; just depends. and that TT should be alittle higher than the 1.8ts

drupason
07-12-2005, 09:45 AM
i should be in town..ill prob come by

VANCE
07-12-2005, 10:23 AM
^ just varys... my stock 2001 1.8t put 150hp 160lbs down... now a k03s which would be 02-04 should put down alittle more stock, all bolt on's plus chip should yeild 200-250hp 250-300lbs range; just depends. and that TT should be alittle higher than the 1.8ts
cool. ill try and make it. i was dissapointed on my last dyno pulls. hopefully ill have my m50 intake manifold(i have a bmw328i) on by then.

4dmin
07-12-2005, 10:26 AM
nice i'm working on trying to get abd maniforld by then... what do you have done to the 328i, i think nick my come out i sent him a pm about it he has a sc 330.

VANCE
07-12-2005, 10:32 AM
nick is a cool guy. his car is sooooooooo badass
MODS--
shark injector
conforti cai
uri crank pulley
borla catback
eibach/bilstein suspension
OEM x-brace
e46 RSM's w/ z3 reinforcement plates
^
i think that is all

Ruiner
07-12-2005, 01:45 PM
hey ruiner,
the mustang dyno is not mechanically linked, the dyno dynamics is not eitheir. the mustang has a brake control program to make sure that both drums decelerate at the same rate. the accleration is fine, its the decel that makes the difference. we have a sysetm on our dyno at batlground to dial in the decel speeds of both drums so that they both decelerate at the same rate and stop at the same time.
dan

Dan, I was looking at some Mustang Dyno literature and came across this:

http://www.mustangdyne.com/pdfs/High%20Performance%2004.pdf

Today’s AWD cars use sophisticated driveline setups, ranging from simple differential-types to computercontrolled clutches and viscous couplings. When treated right, these parts are extremely durable. But a careless run on a dyno can spell disaster—unless you’re using a Mustang AWD dyno . With a Mustang dyno, the front and rear rolls are mechanically linked, so there is no chance of center differential damage due to the front and rear axles turning at different speeds. This is exactly how all-wheel-drive works in the real world—why take chances with non coupled rollers, or with rollers that are speed syncronized via master-slave control techniques?


and this...

TEST BOTH AXLES
An MD-AWD-500 Series AWD dynamometer is one of the most useful tools you can put in your shop. With it, you can test both axles of any AWD vehicle under the same load and speed just like in the real world. This is crucial to prevent damage to expensive center differentials and torque bias systems as well as to get accurate readings. In many AWD vehicles, if slippage is detected, engine power is transferred between the front and rear axles automatically. On a dyno without linked front and rear rolls, this can happen constantly, generating destructive heat in the center differential and other AWD system components. The MD-AWD-500 Series front and rear roll sets are connected by indestructible Aramid-fiber belts. Our rugged belt-drive transmissions have nearly zero back-lash, absorb shock load well, and are a perfect choice for speed / load synchronization. An optional pnuematic clutch makes switching between AWD and 2WD Mode possible from the operator station

namahs
07-13-2005, 05:55 PM
Dan, I was looking at some Mustang Dyno literature and came across this:

http://www.mustangdyne.com/pdfs/High%20Performance%2004.pdf

Today’s AWD cars use sophisticated driveline setups, ranging from simple differential-types to computercontrolled clutches and viscous couplings. When treated right, these parts are extremely durable. But a careless run on a dyno can spell disaster—unless you’re using a Mustang AWD dyno . With a Mustang dyno, the front and rear rolls are mechanically linked, so there is no chance of center differential damage due to the front and rear axles turning at different speeds. This is exactly how all-wheel-drive works in the real world—why take chances with non coupled rollers, or with rollers that are speed syncronized via master-slave control techniques?


and this...

TEST BOTH AXLES
An MD-AWD-500 Series AWD dynamometer is one of the most useful tools you can put in your shop. With it, you can test both axles of any AWD vehicle under the same load and speed just like in the real world. This is crucial to prevent damage to expensive center differentials and torque bias systems as well as to get accurate readings. In many AWD vehicles, if slippage is detected, engine power is transferred between the front and rear axles automatically. On a dyno without linked front and rear rolls, this can happen constantly, generating destructive heat in the center differential and other AWD system components. The MD-AWD-500 Series front and rear roll sets are connected by indestructible Aramid-fiber belts. Our rugged belt-drive transmissions have nearly zero back-lash, absorb shock load well, and are a perfect choice for speed / load synchronization. An optional pnuematic clutch makes switching between AWD and 2WD Mode possible from the operator station

That is very cool stuff, maybee i will look into adding one of those machines to our shop. It is a great idea to link the rollers but what happens when you are on the street and your car spins the rear or front tires first? All wheel drive cars are not perfectly weighted and the friction between the front tires and the road and the rear tires and the road are not equal. There are also differences in the amount of power that gets distributed to the front and rear wheels. These differences will allow for non equal acceleration and wheel speed between the front tires and the rear tires. This is not so much a problem on low power all wheel drive vehicles. It is not much difference in acceleration and rotational speed and it does not hurt anything on the street.

The reason why there is a coupler between the front differential and the rear differential is to distribute the power. The viscous coupler or clutch type transfer case is built to do a job, its job is to distribute power to the front and rear tires and to absorb differences in wheel speeds due to slip.

I think the main thing to look out for is dynos that are not calibrated to specific cars. we take time to balance the rollers before a tuning session to ensure that we keep the front to rear transfer case happy. the biggest problem is decelerating the front and rear wheels at different speeds, that is what causes catastrophic failure.
dan

Ruiner
07-14-2005, 09:44 AM
Dan, I understand completely. I just want to be careful with my drivetrain as I am now out of warranty.

Clipz99
07-14-2005, 11:03 AM
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Ruiner
07-14-2005, 11:50 AM
does that mean I cant run my awd tt?

You can, but my AWD setup is a bit different. It is heavily RWD biased. My system varies from 95% rear up to 40% front if it detects slippage. My car is the exception for AWD (for the most part) while most other cars do just fine on the dynojet.

uberdude328i
07-14-2005, 07:55 PM
Wow all this talk about a 911Turbo makes me think I'll just come by and park my stock 328i (with 106K) a few blocks away. I'd rather just hang out than get laughed at.

4dmin
07-15-2005, 08:34 AM
we got 9 people keep it coming

Ruiner
07-15-2005, 12:45 PM
Wow all this talk about a 911Turbo makes me think I'll just come by and park my stock 328i (with 106K) a few blocks away. I'd rather just hang out than get laughed at.

Nah man, it's just a car. It doesn't make it any better or worse than yours. Go, have fun. If anyone laughs, then they are the asshole for being so petty.

4dmin
07-19-2005, 07:28 AM
10 spots left!!!

leosphere
07-19-2005, 10:03 AM
I've never heard of this site b4. I've been on Audiworld for almost 4 or 5 years. Good to know though.
Does a slipping clutch make a difference? I should have it upgraded by then.
Anyway, sign me up...
Leo '00 Audi A4 QMS

4dmin
07-19-2005, 10:14 AM
^ nice to see you've joined us here in the maddness we call IA, we've been around for a while and are one of the largest sites on the east coast. if you need anything just PM or email me... enjoy :goodjob:

4dmin
07-19-2005, 02:56 PM
only 8 spots left

Blaze the chemi
07-20-2005, 10:52 PM
Very good idea. I would love to come and get my Honda Si dynoed, I know not euro, and meet people. Especially since I've been wanting to come up to Batlground. Please let me know. Thanks!

4dmin
07-21-2005, 07:30 AM
^ i can't gaurantee you a dyno spot b/c it is a euro thing but you ware more than welcome to come out and if someone doesn't show you can take their place :D

superbooost
07-23-2005, 12:41 AM
I gotta finish getting everything setup, but I think I may be able to attend this. Do they give prizes for torque? :D

Regnu337
07-25-2005, 04:49 PM
Please put me on the list

4dmin
07-25-2005, 09:22 PM
Please put me on the list

will do what ya bringing, year and your name??? :goodjob:

Regnu337
07-26-2005, 10:56 AM
sorry.. 2002 VW GTI 1.8T ;)

Thanks

John

4dmin
07-26-2005, 12:01 PM
its updated

4dmin
07-26-2005, 08:25 PM
5 spots left!!!

rollininstyle2004
08-02-2005, 02:08 AM
I have been thinking about this. My numbers are going to be REAL low. My system should be installed by then so thats another good extra 150lbs in the trunk, plus heat soak and everything. Im going to be at like 160whp...

4dmin
08-02-2005, 11:32 AM
I have been thinking about this. My numbers are going to be REAL low. My system should be installed by then so thats another good extra 150lbs in the trunk, plus heat soak and everything. Im going to be at like 160whp...

i don't think the weight will matter and heat soak will be there for all of us :D


its good to know what your car is doing, plus it will give you a chance to see what others are doing w/ the same/different setups. :goodjob:

rollininstyle2004
08-04-2005, 12:37 AM
i don't think the weight will matter and heat soak will be there for all of us :D


its good to know what your car is doing, plus it will give you a chance to see what others are doing w/ the same/different setups. :goodjob:
Yea I guess it will just give me more motivation for engine mods (not like I need anymore :D )

St0lenR
08-08-2005, 09:15 PM
Sign me up i've been wanting to see what my car does for sometime now

rollininstyle2004
08-09-2005, 01:43 AM
...heat soak will be there for all of us :D
Not with your FMIC :D

4dmin
08-09-2005, 08:38 AM
Sign me up i've been wanting to see what my car does for sometime now

your signed up :goodjob: see you guys there...

ANYONE FROM G'NETT GOING??? MAYBE WE CAN MEET UP AT THE BP ON PLEASANTHILL AND RIDE OUT THERE TO BATLGROUND???

rollininstyle2004
08-10-2005, 12:03 AM
your signed up :goodjob: see you guys there...

ANYONE FROM G'NETT GOING??? MAYBE WE CAN MEET UP AT THE BP ON PLEASANTHILL AND RIDE OUT THERE TO BATLGROUND???
I might be willing to meet you there, I think that is on my way. Plus ive never been to Batlground before...

AngryGolf
08-14-2005, 12:32 AM
Sign me up!

Nick Foster
VW R32

4dmin
08-14-2005, 11:03 AM
^ done

4dmin
08-15-2005, 12:57 PM
Alright we are meeting at the BP on Pleasanthill / 85 and leaving promptly at 11am to go to the dyno day... i drive a green 4dr 1.8t for those who don't know me... i'll be there just look for me in the parking lot :goodjob:

Boosted S60R
08-18-2005, 06:19 PM
i will be there

rollininstyle2004
08-18-2005, 10:35 PM
Well I may not be able to make it...so Paul, if all the spots get filled and someone else wants to go, they can have my spot...i MAY still be able to make it towards the end, but im not sure...

4dmin
08-19-2005, 09:32 AM
thats cool man just come out if you can make it... :goodjob:

Allstar3.8T
08-20-2005, 03:44 PM
POST #s!!
I wanna see what was done in Aug in the heat of the day!!
Sorry I missed it, REALLY wanted to come, but it paid not to.

Ruiner
08-20-2005, 05:36 PM
Sorry that I didn't make it, guys. My g/f and I are moving in together and we needed to find a place. Of course, I ended up curbing a wheel today while searching, so it serves me right. I am sorry that I missed it. :(

4dmin
08-20-2005, 07:45 PM
Mikey won 360hp/401lbs (100$ to him)

4dmin
08-20-2005, 07:47 PM
Mikey won 360hp/401lbs (100$ to him)

hey greg and apr/revo guys showd up... i made more torque w/ less mods....

apr made 10+hp w/ more mods then me.

GIAC OWNS!!! :bigok:

Allstar3.8T
08-21-2005, 01:23 PM
I still have one more 1.8T, and no chip yet....But for the $750 ETP quoted me, it'd be an APR even if it did perform a little worse
BTW, you still said APR +10 whp.....
Did you atleast break my APR chip **only** of 210whp/ 260wtq ?!
didnt think so.....
THEN SHUT IT!!
:) :P

4dmin
08-21-2005, 02:01 PM
I still have one more 1.8T, and no chip yet....But for the $750 ETP quoted me, it'd be an APR even if it did perform a little worse
BTW, you still said APR +10 whp.....
Did you atleast break my APR chip **only** of 210whp/ 260wtq ?!
didnt think so.....
THEN SHUT IT!!
:) :P

bring it out and run it old man... i'll pay for the dyno time... let me know when and where, and 210/260 you still got more mods ;)

Allstar3.8T
08-21-2005, 06:59 PM
210 and 260 was chip and cone filter ONLY, nothing else, all stock. (not even the dv or N75 was changed...I mean stock) Theres a pic of it in DynoLabs book, it doesnt even look like my car...just an OEM plat gray jetta.
Modded as is now would be MUCH more, I could only guess, so I wont.
I cant run it now, its 9 hrs away w/ the new owner...now I am a rambeling mess w/ no proof!! I make fun of people like me!
Was 197/243 yesterday Paul? Thats not bad at all.

Spyder
08-21-2005, 07:04 PM
it was hot as hell yesterday to.. i wonder what it would do when its on a dyno in december or january..

What year was yours Greg?

did you do a baseline dyno and see if it was a strong factory car?

rollininstyle2004
08-21-2005, 10:26 PM
I hate the logitudinal 1.8T, you transverse guys get SO much more power out of the same mods. With Chip and Forge 007 I would be luck to put down 170-180whp. I need FMIC, Exhaust, Intake (even though there arent really any available), and so on just to break 200 at the wheels...

BTW: I really wanted to go, but i just didnt have time. Any chance of having another one of these anytime soon.

SilviaK93
08-22-2005, 05:49 PM
So when are we gonna see some dyno numbers from this meet?

4dmin
08-22-2005, 08:14 PM
210 and 260 was chip and cone filter ONLY, nothing else, all stock. (not even the dv or N75 was changed...I mean stock) Theres a pic of it in DynoLabs book, it doesnt even look like my car...just an OEM plat gray jetta.
Modded as is now would be MUCH more, I could only guess, so I wont.
I cant run it now, its 9 hrs away w/ the new owner...now I am a rambeling mess w/ no proof!! I make fun of people like me!
Was 197/243 yesterday Paul? Thats not bad at all.

na i did 196/241 i believe, but most of the guys were loosing 10hp/10lbs per run, it was hot as shit