Mazdaspeed3 too powerful?

[blackshine007]

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/04/who_would_have_thought_that_so.html#more


Well apparently not everyone is happy with the power of the Mazda Mazdaspeed 3. According to Mark Phelan of the Detroit Free Press, the car has too much power that it inhibits the overall driveability of the car.

"Mazda left the 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 performance compact on the burner too long."

The Mazdaspeed 3 is a turbocharged 263 horsepower version of the popular Mazda 3. Its main competition is the VW GTI and Honda Civic Si.

The regular versions of the Mazda 3 (sedan and five-door) have been a great success for the automaker since they were introduced. The Mazda consistently remains at the top of its class. Well according to Phelan, the Mazdaspeed version misses the mark. Compared to the GTI and Civic Si, the car falls short in the handling department.

Is this guy really serious?

[koukis14]

WOW thats just.......WOW

[D.Choe]

too much power in a FWD car can cause hella understeer/torque steer during hard cornering, which is probably what this man is talking about.

compared to the new Civic Si that's NA and has a pretty well-balanced suspension, I'd have to agree with the comparison.

granted, you can never have too much hp going in a straight line.

[Psycho]

Or he could just be a dumb ass

[Ran]

Throttle control is a wonderful thing. Isn't the MS3 chassis even stronger than the regular Mazda3? They used to b*tch about the torque steer in the Sentra Spec-V when it first came out too. To much power? Boo f*cking hoo. :blah:

[Marta Mike]

too much power in a FWD car can cause hella understeer/torque steer during hard cornering, which is probably what this man is talking about.

compared to the new Civic Si that's NA and has a pretty well-balanced suspension, I'd have to agree with the comparison.

granted, you can never have too much hp going in a straight line.
x2

[wantboost]

Throttle control is a wonderful thing.
:yes:

[koukis14]

All the MAJOR auto magazines said the torque steer and under steer was not that bad. I guess they know how to drive.

[D.Choe]

lol yes he could be a dumbass and not know how to control the throttle.

and I believe the chassis stayed the same but with tighter suspension

[Benefit]

who complains about too much power

[D.Choe]

All the MAJOR auto magazines said the torque steer and under steer was not that bad. I guess they know how to drive.

I've read that too in Car & Driver, and it actually outperformed the cars in the comparo (I forgot the cars that were tested)

:???:

Guess it's all dependent on the driver

[D.Choe]

who complains about too much power

jews, they want their money back

[koukis14]

I've read that too in Car & Driver, and it actually outperformed the cars in the comparo (I forgot the cars that were tested)

:???:

Guess it's all dependent on the driver

Wrx, Ser, Gti, Speed3. there may have been one more but I can't get up to go to the bathroom to check the magazine.

[blackshine007]

From what I've read, they actually cut the boost within so many degrees of steering angle to reduce torque steer. He's probly one of those same guys on there who thanks that the Prius is the ultimate performance car.

[Extrememustang]

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/04/who_would_have_thought_that_so.html#more



Is this guy really serious?
How is the SI its main competition? I mean if its 263hp and the si is 197, I mean come on. You know who is gonna be faster. Its like when they would ALWAYS get the 5,7 liter vette vs the viper. GEEZ I wonder who is gonna win.

[blackshine007]

Wrx, Ser, Gti, Speed3. there may have been one more but I can't get up to go to the bathroom to check the magazine.

It was the Mini S, $25K funsters, May 2007

[SampaGuy]

too much power in a FWD car can cause hella understeer/torque steer during hard cornering, which is probably what this man is talking about.

compared to the new Civic Si that's NA and has a pretty well-balanced suspension, I'd have to agree with the comparison.

granted, you can never have too much hp going in a straight line.

yep, overpowered fwd FTL

[koukis14]

It was the Mini S, $25K funsters, May 2007

Thanks

[Rican219]

Same engine as mine just more restricted and not AWD. It is a pocket rocket.

[Julio]

How is the SI its main competition? I mean if its 263hp and the si is 197, I mean come on. You know who is gonna be faster. Its like when they would ALWAYS get the 5,7 liter vette vs the viper. GEEZ I wonder who is gonna win.


Im pushing to the ground close 230awhp/ 290awtq and pull on Speed3 pulled 2+ cars on one.

Now, The new SI's are Dynoing close to stock motor power?

I wonder if this is true?
If that is true.. with a couple of mods.. the SI might shock it :goodjob:

[Julio]

Just did some research.. No wonder... The stock Speed 3 put down 216/243 torqe... the SI put down 180/143tq...

Huge loss in power from the speed 3 compare to the SI though.. % wise.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/0610_gti_civic_mazdaspeed3_dyno/

[Sol-Badguy]

My guess is he doesn't know how to drive.

[Gilgamesh]

haha he basicly said that a mazda didn't have a good suspension.... what a joke

[blackshine007]

Just did some research.. No wonder... The stock Speed 3 put down 216/243 torqe... the SI put down 180/143tq...

Huge loss in power from the speed 3 compare to the SI though.. % wise.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/0610_gti_civic_mazdaspeed3_dyno/

Nice find, but one thing about most mazdas is this.... No cool air going down the road, ECU kills the shit out of timing. If you were to look at the A/F ratio, I garunteed it would drop well below 10:1. I bet when they tested it, it was during the middle of the day. I think Sport Compact car did a baseline dyno run on a stock '06 Miata. during the day when it was nice and warm, it could only put down 133whp. They didn't know why. They tested it again later in the evening, and due to the cooler temps, it put down like 145ish whp. I even had that problem on my old 4 banger. My A/F dropped to 9.6:1 and I only made 106 whp/128wtq, and it was real humid in the shop. I don't know what it would've made if the A/F were the way it were, but it would've been alot better. Besides, how many times have you heard of an almost 3200lbs car running a 14.0 flat with 215whp?

[DUBSf22c]

if he is worried about to much power buy a regular 3.. CRY ME A RIVER

[Rican219]

Just like my car it needs MAJOR tuning.
No one knows the limits of the MS6 and the MS3 yet. The Piggy back ECU's are just about to be released and Cobb is working on their solution for the cars. Don't care what that article says once these cars are modded and Tune'd there will be a big surprise in store for people.

[TheGrillMan]

funny thing i herd about a speed 3 one time at a mazda stealership,

saelsman- yeah i beat a c5 z06 from a dig to 70 in my ms3

me- riiight and were you modded at all?

salesman- of course turbo timer and boost controler

me- TAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, nevermind ::walks away::

[Motivation]

*looks at date of original post... leaves*

[Alan®]

Why would you even compare the GTI and SI's to a MS3?

[blackshine007]

^^Same price class. It's time for Honda and VW to step their game up on the HP

[Demsum]

The GTI is good how it is, and if you want more power a $500 ecu flash will get you past a MS3 real fast.

[Boosted FC]

*looks at date of original post... leaves*

:lmfao::lmfao:

[Chipotle]

I had a MS3 for about 6 months. Fun little car. I can see what they are saying about being overpowered to an extent. Yeah, if not carefull the torque steer, can really jump out and get ya. Hard shift in a curve, and it will jump quite a bit. But be a little smarter on the corners and will be fine.

And as far as the tuners, back when i had it they were saying the cobb tuner would be out. Sounds like its still not here, from what i read above. Wow.

[Chipotle]

I had a MS3 for about 6 months. Fun little car. I can see what they are saying about being overpowered to an extent. Yeah, if not carefull the torque steer, can really jump out and get ya. Hard shift in a curve, and it will jump quite a bit. But be a little smarter on the corners and will be fine.

And as far as the tuners, back when i had it they were saying the cobb tuner would be out. Sounds like its still not here, from what i read above. Wow.

[Motivation]

How do you double post 17 minutes apart from each other?

[Mr_Mischif]

too much power in a FWD car can cause hella understeer/torque steer during hard cornering, which is probably what this man is talking about.

compared to the new Civic Si that's NA and has a pretty well-balanced suspension, I'd have to agree with the comparison.

granted, you can never have too much hp going in a straight line.

Is there any specific video your sig is from? Cause that is crazy.