Mazdaspeed Miata or Honda S2000

[VooDooXII]

SHE WENT FOR THE MAZDASPEED MIATA. THANKS EVERYONE!

My friend is considering one or the other...so what do you think?

She's leaning towards the Mazdaspeed, but she hasn't driven the S2000 yet.

Owners...how are they?

[Kyle]

Well I have neither. But, I would say Honda 2000.

I know Ran Kizama had a MS Miata and there a few s2000 owners on here.

[Tinton]

I drove a new Miata, but I'd rather have the S2000. There's just something about having that much HP, a 9000 rpm redline, etc, etc.

[Ran]

Mazdaspeed MX-5
My MSM would beat my buddies S2K from a stop until I topped out every time. The MSM suffers from bad gearing so the car tops out at about 135mph. Once I replaced the stock restrictive intake, leaky BOV, and rubber throttle body pipe with Flyin' Miata parts, the car was a hell of lot better with a lot less lag. :yes:

If she decides on the MSM, then swap in the 5-Speed tranny from the normal Miata. :)

www.mazda-speed.net <- Good MSM Owners Forum. Could help give her some more info.

S2000
Never owned one, but drove a buddies car regularly. The car is very fun and loves to rev, much like most Honda cars. The suspension is tight from the factory and the car seemed to have less roll than the MSM did stock. While the MSM would take the car off the line and thru most of the gears, the S2K would go faster in the long run so if she's looking for highway speed, the S2K may be her better bet unless she plans on swapping the MSM gear box.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i say the MS,but i dont like hondas...and i like the 6speed automatic with paddle shiftters in the miata

[Ran]

i say the MS,but i dont like hondas...and i like the 6speed automatic with paddle shiftters in the miataNo paddles in the MSM, only a 6-Speed stick.

[OneSlow5pt0]

No paddles in the MSM, only a 6-Speed stick.

o,guess its just the non-MS with paddle shifters

[Bruce Leroy]

Personally, I would but the honda. But thats just me.

[Kamikaze]

I've driven the new MX-5 before...nothing but pure fun. :D

[SampaGuy]

i have driven neither but i would take the mazda

[Doppelgänger]

For everyone else- the Mazdaspeed Miata is NOT the new body thats out now, its like my body style.

As far as bang for the buck, not going to beat a MSM. You can get one with less then 10,000 mi for well under 20g...and that means the car is still under warranty. Try finding a good S2K with most of the warranty remaining for under 20k.

There are no known issues with the MSMs. You can scour any of the miata forums and look for problems, but there aren't really any. A couple people have had to replace betterys..under warranty. But no recalls or tsb's on the engine/drive train/suspension. With little work to a MSM, it'll be very fast. Liek Ran said, replacing the intake and adding a exhaust and mbc, the cars will make well over 200rwhp... which should be more then enough, anything more and i suggest some aggressive drivers classes. To me, the MSM isnt as snappy as the S2K when making sudden turns ad on the limit driving.

We can't assume the person is question is going to be racing the car or just enjoying it as a DD. Also, the seating position in the S2K is kinda odd... the top of the doors feel too high and impede view. The Miata has a smaller blind spot. Miata has manual top with GLASS window... much easier to maintain.

When it comes to mods and prices, MSM wins again.
Intake (includes MBC) - $300
Downpipe and exhaust- $900 (for the best of the best)
Springs (stock MSM shocks are VERY nice Bilstiens) - $180
Roll bar - $400

There are a few other misc. mods that are no more then a couple hundred dollars that are good. With those parts, you're at ~220-230 rwhp and still getting 30mpg.

The S2K is nice.. if you get a newer one and have a lot to spend on parts.

[81911SC]

I love Miatas, thats what I would go with.

[VooDooXII]

She said she was leaning towards the Mazdaspeed anyway...plus I've been in an S2000. The seating position really is a bit odd.

She won't be racing or doing a ridiculous build or anything. She just wants a fun roadster. She's a..."spirited" driver, if you will. She wants a DD.

From what I've read...seems like the Miata the best bet, especially since it's less expensive. She may be all over that. She also likes that she's nevee seen a Mazdaspeed Miata on the road. I don't think I have either.

Thanks for the info guys! :goodjob:

DropTop, I'd +1 you, but I must spread.

[Doppelgänger]

'Sall good.

If she gets it, let me know and i'll help find goodies for the car.

Btw, if you want to get something a little more unique, dont get the titanium color...though the best deals are on that color. They only came in Titanium Silver, Velocity Red , Lava orange and Black Mica. 2004 cars either had black leather or red and black cloth. 2005 cars either had black cloth or black leather..... GET A CLOTH CAR, its much more comfortable. Leather cars also had a cloth top (opposed to the vinyl the cloth interior cars do). The cloth top is harder to keep clean and gets crease marks easier.

The 2004 Velocity red with the red/black cloth interior is a hott bug....looks great. Dont get black.... Jenn will kill you. Orange is hard to find.... in fact there are much less 2005 cars because they were supposed to make 4000 of them... but only made 1478 because the factory burned down.

[Jecht]

I like them both, it would be hard for me to pick.
Miata
-boost
-already huge enthusiast background

S2000
-high RPM wail
-its a Honda so there are a ton of parts for it too.

[bigdare23]

Since this is a female's car (that's more than likely not into the scene), I would go with the s2k simply because it's a n/a car. Most females arent going to keep up the maintence of their cars and that could add extra wear on a turbo motor.

[Doppelgänger]

^^^^ sorry.... its not a DSM.

[VooDooXII]

Since this is a female's car (that's more than likely not into the scene), I would go with the s2k simply because it's a n/a car. Most females arent going to keep up the maintence of their cars and that could add extra wear on a turbo motor.

Heh, don't assume anything. She used to have a 1974 Volkswagen Super Beetle that she'd have to play with at the end of each day in order for it to run the next day. She is as much of a car enthusiast as I am...that's saying something. Maintenance won't be a problem...she knows how to take care of a car. She specifically said that she likes the fact that it's turbocharged.

Wait a minute...why am I not dating this girl. :thinking:

Peace bitches!

[nreggie454]

+1 for the Miata again. They are amazing in autocross in almost every class they compete in and I'd have a turbo over VTEC anyways. I also have seen firsthand at autocrosses where a S2k will be in a sweeping turn metering the throttle, hit VTEC and spin because of the abrupt power gains. Also, I don't know if it is still a problem, but at least the older S2ks seemed to have drivetrains made out of toothpicks.

[Frög]

WTF!! s2k DUH!! wow stop comparing those two cars.. disgrace for the s2k..

~runs away~

[VooDooXII]

No comparisons...She's just in the market for a fun roadster.

Those two are in her price range...any other roadsters like the Audi TT, BMW Z3, Chrysler Crossfire, Mercedes SL...way too expensive.

[speedminded]

ALL 2002+ S2k's had rear glass windows WITH defroster ;) S2k's redline was dropped to 8k rpm's in 2004 (longer stroke making it 2.2L)

The best thing is go out and drive them both, personally i'd take a S2000 with a hardtop over a factory turbo Miata...BUT dollar for dollar if i were to build something from scratch, definitely an older miata w/ hardtop, all black or silver with a cage and sportmax wheels...keeping it purpose built yet plain & simple.

[Frög]

ALL 2002+ S2k's had rear glass windows WITH defroster ;) S2k's redline was dropped to 8k rpm's in 2004 (longer stroke making it 2.2L)

The best thing is go out and drive them both, personally i'd take a S2000 with a hardtop over a factory turbo Miata...BUT dollar for dollar if i were to build something from scratch, definitely an older miata w/ hardtop, all black or silver with a cage and sportmax wheels...keeping it purpose built yet plain & simple.

yup, im getting the mugen hardtop once i get my s2k.. and the rear glass was introduced in 2003.. only 2000-2002 had that shitty plastic..

[Khalifa247]

I love miata's, especially that body style. S2k is not my cup of tea.. but then again neither is honda

[Hardline]

There is someone around here who has the best of both worlds, a 03 Miata with a F20C and 6 speed in it. I would want that one.

[B18CDELSLO]

older miata with s2k swap??? best of both worlds

[compufreak21]

I would def do the s2000...of course im biased as i just purchased the s2000...As for the odd sitting position..I LOVE IT! i like the low sitting position when taking hard corners. Just makes me feel a bit more secure in the car rather than sitting up high as other convertibles ive ridden in.

[Craigers2k]

Never driven the Miata, but after owning an S2000 why would I ever want to...:D

[Julio]

s2k all the way.. Better quality, better car overall..

Plus it looks WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY better then the Miata.

[JITB]

MIata for me, if i could fit in one i would own one. The Bp(1.8) in the miata is one of mazdas best motors ever!. S2k seems to trendy right now for me. and hondas have always been boring cars.

[Craigers2k]

Trust me, the S2K is far from the typical Honda and even further from boring.

[MaRk2k]

s2k ftmfw

[Doppelgänger]

So did she ever make a decision?

[josh green]

LOL at all the honda haters. I have never driven or owned a honda that wasnt entertaining to drive. Most people are just cheap and tasteless when it comes to mods. I would go with whichever one fits your budget. I am sure the miata is a blast to drive and the s2k certainly is, but the honda is probably going to be a little more reliable in the long run.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Miatas are pretty damn reliable,well least,the 1st gens are

[hXc007]

i say fuck it, go find a 88-91 convertible rx7 and be happy lol

both of those are great cars though

[VooDooXII]

So did she ever make a decision?

Nothing final, but you'll smile...haha, she's heavily leaning towards the Miata.

I can't believe this thing is still kicking...

[OneSlow5pt0]

Nothing final, but you'll smile...haha, she's heavily leaning towards the Miata.

I can't believe this thing is still kicking...

lol,tell her to get a MR2-S and outhandle both of them:goodjob:

[JennB]

Funny.



My MSM has been a treat so far. Love it to death. Let me know if you need to know anything else about them.

[VooDooXII]

lol,tell her to get a MR2-S and outhandle both of them:goodjob:

Haha, I mentioned the MR-2 when she and I were talking about it...she goes, "Ew...an MR-2? They're ugly. I mean, if a Boxster had down syndrome, that's what it'd look like."


Funny.

My MSM has been a treat so far. Love it to death. Let me know if you need to know anything else about them.

Well...DropTop told me to tell her not to get it in black, or you'd kill her...haha.

[JennB]

Hahaha. I may not kill, dirty looks are quite possible. It's a really hard color to find, or at least is was for me. She'll get a much better deal on a Velocity Red or Titanium since they are soooo much more common. Over 2,200+ of each of those colors compared to 413 in black. The red is absolutely beautiful in person... online pics do not do it justice. If I hadn't had two red cars right before this one, I probably would have chosen it.

[VooDooXII]

Another thing she likes is how uncommon those cars are. Seriously, I've only seen one MSM on the road...it was red, and yea, it looks stunning.

[FRYLOCK]

honda is best buy for ur money its reliable as all hondas are but i also drive a mazda 929 and its at 215,000 miles and still drives well so u will have a good car no matter the choice gl

[OneSlow5pt0]

Haha, I mentioned the MR-2 when she and I were talking about it...she goes, "Ew...an MR-2? They're ugly. I mean, if a Boxster had down syndrome, that's what it'd look like."





lol...i like them,guess each to their own

[Kamikaze]

honda is best buy for ur money its reliable as all hondas are but i also drive a mazda 929 and its at 215,000 miles and still drives well so u will have a good car no matter the choice gl

People tend to not give Mazda the credit it deserves. The only time they had problems was when Ford started dumping their pos parts into the Mazda bin in the mid '90s. Luckily all the models weren't affected.

[Ran]

Another thing she likes is how uncommon those cars are. Seriously, I've only seen one MSM on the road...it was red, and yea, it looks stunning.MSM's are everywhere up here between Roswell and Woodstock.

I wish I knew what happened to mine. Some kid probably wrapped it around a tree. :(

[VooDooXII]

lol...i like them,guess each to their own

True, true.

[Doppelgänger]

i say fuck it, go find a 88-91 convertible rx7 and be happy lol

both of those are great cars though I lol'ed when i read that.

[Doppelgänger]

S2K's dont hold the abuse like a Miata can. I have heard of far fewer diff and tranny problems for the Miata then i have with S2K's.

Besides, when the time finally comes to replace the top (which it will, or soon if something were to happen :(), replacing the top on a Miata is faster, easier and cheaper then a S2K. The top is manual, less likely to have problems and its really easy to operate for being manual. And wheels are easy to find and you dont have to pay extra for fancy staggered setups.

[Julio]

http://automobiles.honda.com/images/banners/2007/S2000/exterior_gallery/large2.jpg

[Craigers2k]

S2K's dont hold the abuse like a Miata can. I have heard of far fewer diff and tranny problems for the Miata then i have with S2K's.

S2k's hold plenty of abuse. I can't ever remember hearing of a tranny failure in an S2000. That gearbox is argued by most that drive it as the best on the market. The main reason for most of the diff failures is from people not knowing how to launch the car. Too low of an RPM = no tire spin = lots of extra stress on the diff.

[JDMef88]

i saw that Cool Cat Racing miata at lake lanier islands lastweek who was that?

[JennB]

Look at the sig about 3 posts up... should tell you the answer.

We were up there for a few hours. It was too damn hot though.

[cactusEG]

s2000

[Dietcoke]

If you can swing the roughly 30k, go test drive a Sky Redline. Not sure what teh S2k and MSM go for. It's a treat on a road course.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i think everyone likes the S2K cause Johnny Tran drove it in F&F...and he was a so called badass,so others think the S2K makes them a badass.....or maybe not,lol

[NAG2I]

well it isnt the tranny that the s2k has a bad name for
it is the diff
people boosting them then trying to take em to the drag strip
and the diff blows during there burnout

first of all..
when honda desgned the car they didnt design it to drag race
so really if you drive and build the car how honda wanted it to
you will have no problems with the diff and tranny

but anyways a friend of mine just bought an s2k
and i love it
i must have one, one day
they look a lot better to me to but thats just imo
i do think she should test drive them both though before she makes a decision.

[VooDooXII]

If you can swing the roughly 30k, go test drive a Sky Redline. Not sure what teh S2k and MSM go for. It's a treat on a road course.

I love the Sky. However...low production numbers equal huge dealer markups, plus the steering's pretty dead in it apparently. I'd almost be able to get over it though, because that car is fast, and obnoxiously sexy.

She's not willing to spend that much though.

She's test driven the Miata and she fell in love with it. She has yet to drive the S2000, but she said she's pretty fixed on the Mazdaspeed. She thinks it looks better and as I said before...she said she feels like she sees S2000s everywhere.

[babyblueS2K]

Im guessing she wants a used s2k cause the go for 30K+ New. i work at team Honda and i own a s2k and there is no way in hell i would rather have a MSM instead of it. and if u lanch them right i dont think the MSM would pull in low gears. and i hardly ever see s2k anywhere. granted the MSM would be cheeper to mod but sence u said she didnt want to do any of that i would take her to the nearest honda dealer and let her test drive one. we have three on the lot.

[OneSlow5pt0]

I love the Sky. However...low production numbers equal huge dealer markups, plus the steering's pretty dead in it apparently. I'd almost be able to get over it though, because that car is fast, and obnoxiously sexy.

She's not willing to spend that much though.

She's test driven the Miata and she fell in love with it. She has yet to drive the S2000, but she said she's pretty fixed on the Mazdaspeed. She thinks it looks better and as I said before...she said she feels like she sees S2000s everywhere.

shes on the right track:goodjob:

[BlkCD5]

MSM, I"m sure she'll appreciate the power. The S2k looks better though.

[yumyumdimsum]

This a is a a "NO BRAINER"....S2K all the way....go test drive one and then say something

[Kamikaze]

I haven't driven a S2000 before, but I doubt it'll be more fun than even a non-Mazdaspeed MX-5.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i had a 1st gen 1.8L Miata,and it drove and handled great......

[dc2teg2006]

s2000 all the way!! handles great and look good as well. It have the honda badge so it is relible TOO!!!!!!!!!!!What more can you as for?!:yes:

[OneSlow5pt0]

s2000 all the way!! handles great and look good as well. It have the honda badge so it is relible TOO!!!!!!!!!!!What more can you as for?!:yes::lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[Kamikaze]

Honda badge means nothing. I saw 4 broke down Accords on my way to Charleston. :D

[OneSlow5pt0]

Honda badge means nothing. I saw 4 broke down Accords on my way to Charleston. :D

x2

Toyota are reliable,wonder how many supras iv seen broke down....alot

Mazda Miatas are bout as relaible as a car gets(at least the 1st gen)

the most reliable cars are old BMWs though

[Kamikaze]

x2

Toyota are reliable,wonder how many supras iv seen broke down....alot

Mazda Miatas are bout as relaible as a car gets(at least the 1st gen)

the most reliable cars are old BMWs though

Meh, Supras don't count. They're in that category with the RX-7, 300ZX, 3000GT, etc. Reliable cars if maintained properly. The problem is, most people who bought them didn't follow the factory maintenance plan or just couldn't afford it.

Did you see the episode of 5th Gear where they beat the hell out of that 4runner pickup and then sunk it to the bottom of the lake? They drug it out, let it dry, and it started right up. Now that's reliability for you.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Meh, Supras don't count. They're in that category with the RX-7, 300ZX, 3000GT, etc. Reliable cars if maintained properly. The problem is, most people who bought them didn't follow the factory maintenance plan or just couldn't afford it.

Did you see the episode of 5th Gear where they beat the hell out of that 4runner pickup and then sunk it to the bottom of the lake? They drug it out, let it dry, and it started right up. Now that's reliability for you.

lol,damn....listen this my friend had a 85 BMW 535(i belive) with bout 600k on engine and tranny,he paid $250 for it and it started up everytime and never broke down.

[Kamikaze]

lol,damn....listen this my friend had a 85 BMW 535(i belive) with bout 600k on engine and tranny,he paid $250 for it and it started up everytime and never broke down.

:eek: I thought it was somethin' when my Jetta hit 200K lol.

[JennB]

The one Honda I owned was the most unreliable car I've ever had. It was a nightmare. Plenty of people own them and rarely have problems, there are bad ones in every bunch. It's a good idea to stick with the auto makers that you have less of a chance of getting the bad one.

I like S2K's a lot, they are beautiful cars ....but, the insurance is high, mods are expensive. I could have easily bought one but figured I could do sooooo much to the MSM and still have money left for the other good things in life.

[BlkCD5]

originally posted by JennB
The one Honda I owned was the most unreliable car I've ever had. It was a nightmare. Plenty of people own them and rarely have problems, there are bad ones in every bunch. It's a good idea to stick with the auto makers that you have less of a chance of getting the bad one.

I like S2K's a lot, they are beautiful cars ....but, the insurance is high, mods are expensive. I could have easily bought one but figured I could do sooooo much to the MSM and still have money left for the other good things in life.


+1. My present car is a honda and its hell to keep running right now. In the past year I spent nearly 2g's to keep it straight. Seems like any car I"ve owned hasn't last long without having many issues. Next car will definately not be a Honda :screwy:

[Humphrizzle]

I haven't driven a S2000 before, but I doubt it'll be more fun than even a non-Mazdaspeed MX-5.


having not driven an S2000, you assume it will be boring, uncomforatble, and less of a car than a non MS MIATA...?

S2000 AP2 model is one of the best cars honda ever made.

It's worth 25,000 dollars.

it has 220 hp without a turbo, as the mazda has a turbo and doesnt make close as a stock s2k.

It's the second generation so all the querks have been looked at and fixed from the factory.

THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.

aside from being a gay ass convertible, they're the perfect 2 door car. but a hard top can fix that.

[Kamikaze]

having not driven an S2000, you assume it will be boring, uncomforatble, and less of a car than a non MS MIATA...?

Yep. That's what I said. If I get this job at Honda I may get to drive one. Then I'll come back with my final opinion, but I doubt it will have changed. :crazy:

[GSRteg®]

Yup! :yes:


I drove a new Miata, but I'd rather have the S2000. There's just something about having that much HP, a 9000 rpm redline, etc, etc.

[SampaGuy]

the s2000 does have a little more class

[JennB]

As for specs, yes, the stock S2000 has more hp but it also weighs a little over 300 lbs more. For about $1000 in upgrades, the MSM can easily match the S2k.

She really should drive the S2K though. It is a very different car so it all depends on what does it for her. Numbers aside, they do feel different and one may suit her better than the other.


(there are dyno charts up on Flyin Miata's website. A stock S2K had 206 rwhp and 138.2 tq. The MSM with just a few upgrades was 203.4rwhp and 194.6 tq. A lot of people have done the mods they used on that dyno run with a couple of other small things and hit 210 or 215. Of course there are additional upgrades that took the MSM to 270rwhp.) http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno.asp

[The Yousef]

veetak pw3nd j00!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!

[OneSlow5pt0]

As for specs, yes, the stock S2000 has more hp but it also weighs a little over 300 lbs more. For about $1000 in upgrades, the MSM can easily match the S2k.

She really should drive the S2K though. It is a very different car so it all depends on what does it for her.


(there are dyno charts up on Flyin Miata's website. A stock S2K had 206 rwhp and 138.2 tq. The MSM with just a few upgrades was 203.4rwhp and 194.6 tq. A lot of people have done the mods they used on that dyno run with a couple of other small things and hit 210 or 215. Of course there are additional upgrades that took the MSM to 270rwhp.) http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno.asp


i was gonna say that the Miata weighed less,u beat me to it:D

yea,Miata is the way to go for modding,lots of options and hell of alot cheaper..and probbly make more Tq out of a MX-5

[JennB]

Make more? It has more stock.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Make more? It has more stock.

lol,does it...damn,

[JennB]

Yep. Stock MSM vs. stock S2K

MSM has less hp but a little more tq. With a few mods, the MSM is equal with the S2k on hp and, of course, still more tq. Add engine management to the list of mods and it's at 260 or 270 at the wheels. It will be a while before my car is that powerful. 210-215 in a 2500 lb car will do it for me for now.

[Craigers2k]

having not driven an S2000, you assume it will be boring, uncomforatble, and less of a car than a non MS MIATA...?

S2000 AP2 model is one of the best cars honda ever made.

It's worth 25,000 dollars.

it has 220 hp without a turbo, as the mazda has a turbo and doesnt make close as a stock s2k.

It's the second generation so all the querks have been looked at and fixed from the factory.

THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.

aside from being a gay ass convertible, they're the perfect 2 door car. but a hard top can fix that.

The ratings are:

237 HP for AP2
240 HP for AP1

There are a lot of differences between the AP1 & AP2. If anyone is ever considering an S2000 they should consider test driving both platforms. IMO, the 2003 is the best bet since it is the last year for the 9K RPM, which is soo much fun! :D;)

[404S2K]

S2000 that's all I'm saying.

[Doppelgänger]

Sooooo.... For you S2K owners, i have a question.

How much HP can you make AT THE WHEELS with $1500.. and thats buying NEW parts from vendors.... no ebay/friend/private sales. When i say $2k, i mean $2k or LESS.

I'd Love to see a S2K get 55-60 rwhp for $1500 (cost of the parts to go from 150rwhp to 203rwhp was actually $1355 + shipping)

[NAG2I]

now lets not get to far from our topic here
he has already said she will be leaving the car stock and driven as a dd

[Doppelgänger]

if she doesnt mod it, he will :lol:

[VooDooXII]

if she doesnt mod it, he will :lol:

Personal experience...?

[JennB]

Well if it's definitely going to be left stock she needs to drive both and (important) get insurance quotes on both. My quote on an S2K was waaaay higher than the Miata. Also remember that modded or not, the S2K has staggered wheels.

[Dietcoke]

http://sky24gt.com/images/customers/steven_p/steve_dp_005.jpg

$600 3" exhaust, $800 big intercooler, $400 downpipe. 280+tq and whp, and no one has cracked the pcm yet and been able to turn up the boost with a boost controller. (tq management)

Potential.


The SRL makes ~240whp/230tq stock.

[Dietcoke]

Um, and saturn has a company policy against dealer price adjustment. What you see is what you get. Its twin the solstice doesnt look as good IMO, but is cheaper (start at $26,500 in the turbo model)

[VooDooXII]

Link (http://www.autoblog.com/2006/05/24/sky-is-not-the-limit-for-saturn-sky-redline-pricing/)

Read that...

Nonetheless...I LOVE the Sky Redline.


Well if it's definitely going to be left stock she needs to drive both and (important) get insurance quotes on both. My quote on an S2K was waaaay higher than the Miata. Also remember that modded or not, the S2K has staggered wheels.

Insurance is much cheaper?

Oh damn...I think she'll definitely hop on the MSM after hearing that.

[JennB]

Of course she should call her agent and get a quote like I did. It took maybe 5 minutes. Everyone's insurance rates are different but for mine, the S2K was a good bit more.

[Dietcoke]

Link (http://www.autoblog.com/2006/05/24/sky-is-not-the-limit-for-saturn-sky-redline-pricing/)

Read that...

Nonetheless...I LOVE the Sky Redline.



Insurance is much cheaper?

Oh damn...I think she'll definitely hop on the MSM after hearing that.


1: That article is over a year old
2: It just doesnt happen like that. It did when the cars first came out, at a very few places in high income areas, but doesn't anymore, especially in Georgia. I paid $2k under sticker for mine.

[Doppelgänger]

Well now, if the title of the thread was "S2K vs MSM vs SRL" , then we would be talkign about this, right? I was just trying to stay on track.


Oh, so has anyone found a way turn traction control off yet? I dont know too much first hand, but a friend of mine who works at a GM dealership said there was no option to turn trac. cont. off ??? And by looking around, i have not seen one video of a big honking smokey session involving either GM product.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Well now, if the title of the thread was "S2K vs MSM vs SRL" , then we would be talkign about this, right? I was just trying to stay on track.


Oh, so has anyone found a way turn traction control off yet? I dont know too much first hand, but a friend of mine who works at a GM dealership said there was no option to turn trac. cont. off ??? And by looking around, i have not seen one video of a big honking smokey session involving either GM product.

i also cant find a video of a MR2-S vs a Sky..cause i think the MR2-S could take it N/A vs N/A...on track or mountains


o,well MX-5 rules the roadster market

[Craigers2k]

Read This. :goodjob: (http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=227349)

[Doppelgänger]

it seems the write of that seemed to miss a few important facts.

Glass window vs. plastic window. MSM has glass standard.

Leather vs cloth. S2K is leather only. MSM offers both. In a convertable leather seats FTL.... just ask your girl how she likes sitting in a burning hot seat while wearing a skirt or shorts.

[BaHumBugg]

hmmmm...s2k..........im pretty sure she would pick the S, I love mines

[Dietcoke]

Yeah, you press the traction control button. ;)

[Five*Star*]

The MSM will be much cheaper, and they are easier to work on also. Plus, ther miata will be more friendly to a average females driving skill (the S2000 is very responsive and a little snappy with the tail, the miata is more smooth and easy to drive at the limits).

[Kamikaze]

Yeah but it's not too hard to get the MX-5's rear wheels loose. Trust me on that one. :D

[B18c-rex]

I say go ms miata alot more for giving in driving terms than a s2k .

[404S2K]

Just tell her to get a Miata like everyone else. Leave that potential S2000 to someone else.

[Kamikaze]

Just tell her to get a Miata like everyone else. Leave that potential S2000 to someone else.

Mazda > Honda. Don't be butt-hurt about it. It's just life. :lmao:

[Doppelgänger]

Well, if she gets the S2K , you can always swap the all-mighty D16Y8 in it......

[OneSlow5pt0]

Well, if she gets the S2K , you can always swap the all-mighty D16Y8 in it......

lol............speaking of that when are u gonna drop a 13BT in the Miata:D ..it would make the paint job even better

[Doppelgänger]

when i win the lottery.

[OneSlow5pt0]

when i win the lottery.

lol...have u really thought about it?or u just gonna stay with the pistons..also how does that swap run?

[JITB]

Mazda > Honda. Don't be butt-hurt about it. It's just life. :lmao:

so tru :lmfao:

[welery]

Having tracked an S2000 numerous times there is no denying the S2K is far better car. For daily driving the miata is softer and more tame, and probably better. For under 50k you'll be hard pressed to find a car stock car that is faster than it around a track.

As far as all out sports cars are concerned... the S2000 is one of the final few.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Having tracked an S2000 numerous times there is no denying the S2K is far better car. For daily driving the miata is softer and more tame, and probably better. For under 50k you'll be hard pressed to find a car stock car that is faster than it around a track.

As far as all out sports cars are concerned... the S2000 is one of the final few.

i can think of a ton

[welery]

name one.

[Doppelgänger]

FD RX-7 would.
Elise would
pretty sure a EVO would, depending on the track
Also seems like the RX-8 is right there running even with the S2K too.


(yes, all of those cars are/were under 50k NEW)

[OneSlow5pt0]

FD RX-7 would.
Elise would
pretty sure a EVO would, depending on the track
Also seems like the RX-8 is right there running even with the S2K too.


(yes, all of those cars are/were under 50k NEW)

i think a crossfire SRT-6 could,i think a FC Turbo could hang or beat a s2k,300ZX TT..Corvette ZR1,Z06,Viper GTS

[NAG2I]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y0KLnCKE6Dc
little food for thought.

[sagarchahal]

s2kkkk

[VooDooXII]

Forget the "who's faster" argument.

She's looking for a fun, fast roadster with relatively row running costs. Forget about tuning and what not. Just focus on the car itself. Seeing that the MSM will probably be cheaper and better on insurance...it seems like that's the best bet. She's driven one of those already and is leaning towards it.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Forget the "who's faster" argument.

She's looking for a fun, fast roadster with relatively row running costs. Forget about tuning and what not. Just focus on the car itself. Seeing that the MSM will probably be cheaper and better on insurance...it seems like that's the best bet. She's driven one of those already and is leaning towards it.

exactly,i say go for MSM:goodjob:

[spacelion]

Forget the "who's faster" argument.

She's looking for a fun, fast roadster with relatively row running costs. Forget about tuning and what not. Just focus on the car itself. Seeing that the MSM will probably be cheaper and better on insurance...it seems like that's the best bet. She's driven one of those already and is leaning towards it.

That'd be the better way to go since the S2000 is more expensive with insurance. Personally if money weren't the problem, I'd take the Honda over the Mazda, but if it came down to spendings, I'd take the Mazda. I don't think she'll be too disappointed with either.

:ninja: The S2000 isn't as bad as everyone thinks. It's been compared to an NSX too. Take a look at the whole package instead of the "straight line take offs" or the power. Like Citynights10 said, it wasn't made for drag racing. It's a spectacle of design for a car of it's class and hard to top in it's stock form. Do me a favor and watch the S2000 prototype at Nuerburgring with Gan-San driving it on the Type-R BMI. I don't think a MSM could drive like that. I'm not against Mazda at all, but I think when it comes down to stock forms, the S2000's got the MSM covered.:ninja: Just my opinions though!!

[GSRteg®]

Honda!

[VooDooXII]

Honda!

:rolleyes: You would...

[welery]

Forget the "who's faster" argument.

She's looking for a fun, fast roadster with relatively row running costs. Forget about tuning and what not. Just focus on the car itself. Seeing that the MSM will probably be cheaper and better on insurance...it seems like that's the best bet. She's driven one of those already and is leaning towards it.

Yeah... MSM should be the pick then

[compufreak21]

Sooooo.... For you S2K owners, i have a question.

How much HP can you make AT THE WHEELS with $1500.. and thats buying NEW parts from vendors.... no ebay/friend/private sales. When i say $2k, i mean $2k or LESS.

I'd Love to see a S2K get 55-60 rwhp for $1500 (cost of the parts to go from 150rwhp to 203rwhp was actually $1355 + shipping)

Easy. AEM EMS fuel management ($1200 new) K&N Intake filter and cover delete mod ($50) and Invidia Exhaust ($550) and a decent tune from the stock maps the ems comes with. The s2000 is very conservatively tuned from the factory and alot of power potential lies in simply tuning it.


Honestly i like both cars but im sure you can see which one i chose. I did many a test drive to choose the right car for me. I liked the mazda speed miata but felt that the handling was a bit better stock in the s2000. Also i have owned a miata (93) and it was terribly unreliable. Finally gave it away for like $800. I have had my s2000 for a while now and has roughly 85,000 miles and hasnt needed anything besides a battery and oil changes... very quick and responsive and i average 30mpg on the highway back and forth to work daily. I also test drove the porsche boxster ('02) and the mercedes slk230('00) and i loved the boxster and hated the mercedes. The mercedes felt loose in the steering and had terrible pickup. A great cruiser i guess? and the boxster handled great but just didnt feel as "Sporty" as the s2000. Handled good but not as good and was fast just not as peppy in the high rpms. I loved the miata and the s2000 but just felt the s2000 was a better fit. I do like that the miata was turbo and that almost made the selling point for me but i also had been told that top hp potential in that car was around 350-400. There are many s2k's on the road pushing in excess of 600+. Mainstream performance sells bolt on kits for the s2k for about $3500 that push the s2k to about 350rwhp.

[OneSlow5pt0]

y would u want more than 250hp in miata?

[compufreak21]

y would u want more than 250hp in miata?

Exactly...it keeps coming up about hp and difference in s2k and miata and how you can have Such and Such hp in the Miata for this much...There is really no comparison when it comes to modding. The s2k has been compared with the likes of the 350z, nsx, etc. and has potential of being a very high hp street car. The miata itself handles very well and is a great track and road course car but in all fairness cant compete with s2k once the 300hp level has been broken. Like you said. Why would you want a miata with more than 250hp. The answer is you wouldnt. My question is why wouldnt you want 350+ in the s2k? its an amazingly agile car that handles high horsepower very well. Obviously the miata may be a better choice for the girl for many reasons but in a car vs car matchup it comes down to opinion i guess. As far as insurance goes i really dont understand. My 18 yr old gf's car insurance on her own plan is like $50 a month. She got quoted on a 2002 Celica GTS Full coverage $70 per month. For a females coverage..the differnce between the two cars on insurance should be no more than $15 a month. I would say skip eating out once a month and get the honda! :goodjob: lol

[OneSlow5pt0]

a miata weighs 2,200 pounds stock,250hp is more than anuff for that car to tear other cars up

[compufreak21]

agreed.

[JITB]

Since when is a miata not agile, and unable to handle high horsepower?

[compufreak21]

I dont think they are agile but how many miatas have you seen with 500+ hp and compete with supras, 350zs, nsx.... And are daily driveable? Who knows maybe it is capable of that. Just not something i have seen much of.

[JITB]

I dont think they are agile but how many miatas have you seen with 500+ hp and compete with supras, 350zs, nsx.... And are daily driveable? Who knows maybe it is capable of that. Just not something i have seen much of.


its only because noone builds them that way. but it is very possible. The miata could easily be made into a street runner.

[OneSlow5pt0]

its only because noone builds them that way. but it is very possible. The miata could easily be made into a street runner.

13BT or dare i say 5.0:ninja:

[compufreak21]

i guess you could do that but then your sacrificing the handling and weight ratio that makes the miata such a fun car to drive. Just seems to me that you need to choose what is important to you with a miata (power vs agility) whereas the s2k's stock motor can be pushed to 500 hp and beyond while still keeping its great weight ratio and agility. Upgrade to some decent suspension to handle the added power and thats it. Please correct me if im wrong. I would love the idea of a 13bt miata. Wish i would have known about that when i still had my old miata!

[spacelion]

13BT or dare i say 5.0:ninja:

LOLOLZ d00d that'd be sick shit for sure.

Compufreak you got some good points! :yes:

[JITB]

i guess you could do that but then your sacrificing the handling and weight ratio that makes the miata such a fun car to drive. Just seems to me that you need to choose what is important to you with a miata (power vs agility) whereas the s2k's stock motor can be pushed to 500 hp and beyond while still keeping its great weight ratio and agility. Upgrade to some decent suspension to handle the added power and thats it. Please correct me if im wrong. I would love the idea of a 13bt miata. Wish i would have known about that when i still had my old miata!


correct me if im wrong miata folks, but last ive heard is that the 5.0 swap in a miata doesnt really hurt the weight distribution as much as u would think, neither does the 13b swap, and i do believe the 13b is lighter than the iron block in the 1.8 miata, and the B6 1.6. BUt the stock motor in the miata is very very well capable of handling boost, the Bp is a NA version of a turbo motor..with alittle weaker rods. The weak part of miatas are their ability to make power NA, bp motors dont make good power na at all, compared to a honda..

[OneSlow5pt0]

correct me if im wrong miata folks, but last ive heard is that the 5.0 swap in a miata doesnt really hurt the weight distribution as much as u would think, neither does the 13b swap, and i do believe the 13b is lighter than the iron block in the 1.8 miata, and the B6 1.6. BUt the stock motor in the miata is very very well capable of handling boost, the Bp is a NA version of a turbo motor..with alittle weaker rods. The weak part of miatas are their ability to make power NA, bp motors dont make good power na at all, compared to a honda..

yea,the 13b is lighter.....but yea,like u said the 1.8L loves boost:D

[Kamikaze]

There was one guy I saw that dropped a KLZE in a Miata. Sounded bad ass. :D

[allmotoronly]

go with the s2k. you cant beat honda as far as reliability and RESALE VALUE go!!!!!

[Deaf Pimp]

Hands-down, if you want a cheap track car that is cheap with modifications, then get a Miata. You can't beat the bang for the buck on that car. I've driven quite a few Miata's and they are definitely fun, but they don't have the thrill/sports car factor that the S2k provides. I feel like I'm driving a race car when I'm in the S2k especially with my T1R exhaust. There is nothing more entertaining and more exilerating than picking up shifts at 9,000 RPM's daily. Yes, S2k's are expensive to modify. If you have $3500 you can get 330hp to the wheels.

Oh BTW, to the person with the black Prelude in the sig. 2002+ were glass and 2001 and below were plastic back windows. Sorry, you got it mixed up.

[Doppelgänger]

On a stock BP block, i have seen upwards of 300hp. On built blocks 300-400+ rwhp. But at 275-300hp... you're running with cars with 150+ more hp no problem.

I saw one of my friends 1.6 Miata take a C5 Vette pretty easily... and he was only at 236 rwhp. A Miata can handle the higher power, but can the driver?

The reason i think you dont see many Miatas runnign with the bigger cars is mostly because of the miata image. Any of you who are OG Moreland Ave peeps will know the name Humphrey (sp?)........

[VooDooXII]

Weird...I just visited a friend who lives by Moreland Avenue, Friday night.

[compufreak21]

wow this seems like it would be a pretty fun project to do. Especially since you can get early nineties miatas for next to nothing now. Wouldnt mind picking one up myself once ive done a few things to the s2k.

[OneSlow5pt0]

yea,u can get NA for decent price...just go for the 1.8L though,

[osnap]

this dilemma happens to be my wallpaper.

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7295/wallpaper12gi8.jpg

[Maniaç]

Just ask her which one she thinks is cute.. lol! girls could careless anything about a car, if they're cute they'll get it.

[VooDooXII]

Just ask her which one she thinks is cute.. lol! girls could careless anything about a car, if they're cute they'll get it.

This girl's actually into cars...that's why she's after an MSM, not just the "regular" Miata.

[Maniaç]

This girl's actually into cars...that's why she's after an MSM, not just the "regular" Miata.She still hasn't decided? wtf, this thread is pretty old.

I think she should go with the MSM, why.. cause they already come boosted, its a nice handling car, looks ok. plus the S2k was made for men, not women. lol!

[Leadfoot_mf]

okay i am late to the party but........ i like the look of the s2k but that is where it stops.
everyone talks about the s2ks hp because there is no torque to speak of.

i have driven a s2k at the gap and all i can say is honda successfully removed every aspect of "feel" from the car. the steering is light and vague. the shifter is vague. the clutch feels like u are stepping in butter.

my biggest complaint about the car has got to be the digital dash fuck how i hate them.

i did like the engine noise. looks interior. but for the money the miata hands down.

i have a 94 miata with 120k on it got it with 70k when ever i drive the car i go to redline in every gear until i hit cruising speed. every single time. only thing on car to break is the slave cylinder. car has great feel is nimble just slow but that is part of the fun being able to floor it for 4 gears and never break the speed limit. at every light it is a dig race to 10 over the limit and the only one who knows u are racing is u.

i have not driven a msm but would really like to.

in the end the only choice that matters is the one you make and the car that makes you smile as u walk to get in it every single time that is the car that is right. i dont care what u drive or own.

btw both cars are equally cool because they are rwd. and what is considered to be the original sports car. so good luck and drive the piss out of it and have fun.

[OneSlow5pt0]

^^nice write up,i agree.. my 97 was pretty fun car,funner than my celica and RX-7...man im already ready to get a MR2-S to have little fun roadster

[sprix!]

i have driven a s2k at the gap and all i can say is honda successfully removed every aspect of "feel" from the car. the steering is light and vague. the shifter is vague. the clutch feels like u are stepping in butter.


Ok, I agree with the torgue thing. MSM has S2k beat in that department. But the comments above? That is simply not true. If nothing else, the S2000 has always received high marks for its transmission, clutch engagement and steering feel. I don't think that anyone could say that an S2000 handles and drives as poorly as you just stated it did and be taken seriously. You have to be the only person ever who has thought of these characteristics so negatively. I would even go so far as to say I doubt you have driven an S2000. Just because you like your Miata, and would like to see the OP's friend get an MSM, does not mean you have to put the S2000 down like that...
Both candidates are great cars- just the MSM is moddable for much less money and more immediate results. Hell, it's basically that FI has more of an advantage tha NA in some cases. This seems to be one of those cases...
And S2000 insurance is eating me alive. It has more to do with the fact that these cars are often the targets of theft, vandalism, and a boy racer "9K RPM" image than anything else. If you get an S2000, people like stealing all of the parts. Engines, seats, antennae, wheels, etc.
OP- hopefully your friend will take time out to drive both cars and make an informed decision. If she is going to test drive an S2000, the worst test drive she can have is with a new car. She needs to test a car that has been broken-in in order to get the real feel. I am pretty sure it is the same way with the MSM, isn't it?
DeafPimp- you beat me to that Glass window correction...

[Ch0psticks11]

i would personally go with the s2k. yes it's a little pricey but i think it's worth it. you can get a used one for a pretty decent price too. n/a is also more reliable than boost. and the s2k responds well to bolt-on mods

[OneSlow5pt0]

Ok, I agree with the torgue thing. MSM has S2k beat in that department. But the comments above? That is simply not true. If nothing else, the S2000 has always received high marks for its transmission, clutch engagement and steering feel. I don't think that anyone could say that an S2000 handles and drives as poorly as you just stated it did and be taken seriously. You have to be the only person ever who has thought of these characteristics so negatively. I would even go so far as to say I doubt you have driven an S2000. Just because you like your Miata, and would like to see the OP's friend get an MSM, does not mean you have to put the S2000 down like that...
Both candidates are great cars- just the MSM is moddable for much less money and more immediate results. Hell, it's basically that FI has more of an advantage tha NA in some cases. This seems to be one of those cases...
And S2000 insurance is eating me alive. It has more to do with the fact that these cars are often the targets of theft, vandalism, and a boy racer "9K RPM" image than anything else. If you get an S2000, people like stealing all of the parts. Engines, seats, antennae, wheels, etc.
OP- hopefully your friend will take time out to drive both cars and make an informed decision. If she is going to test drive an S2000, the worst test drive she can have is with a new car. She needs to test a car that has been broken-in in order to get the real feel. I am pretty sure it is the same way with the MSM, isn't it?
DeafPimp- you beat me to that Glass window correction...

i could do 11k in my old car,and insurance was the same as my celica

[sprix!]

i could do 11k in my old car,and insurance was the same as my celica
You took what I said out of context. Consider the statement as a whole instead of just that one clause.

[Doppelgänger]

i would personally go with the s2k. yes it's a little pricey but i think it's worth it.

Sure you would, look at your name. If Honda offered a polished turd , people would still buy it jsut because it has a H badge on it.



n/a is also more reliable than boost. and the s2k responds well to bolt-on mods

Thats a REALLY educated answer :rolleyes:


I do agree with Tim on how the S2K feels. A sports car should not be all light, easy and 'buttery'. People who complain that the shifter is 'notchy' on the Miata need to be driving a Civic anyway. The S2K shifter can just about be shifted by blowing on it.... waaaaay too light.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Sure you would, look at your name. If Honda offered a polished turd , people would still buy it jsut because it has a H badge on it.




Thats a REALLY educated answer :rolleyes:


I do agree with Tim on how the S2K feels. A sports car should not be all light, easy and 'buttery'. People who complain that the shifter is 'notchy' on the Miata need to be driving a Civic anyway. The S2K shifter can just about be shifted by blowing on it.... waaaaay too light.

i thought the stock miata shifter felt great,very short and easy

[compufreak21]

okay i am late to the party but........ i like the look of the s2k but that is where it stops.
everyone talks about the s2ks hp because there is no torque to speak of.

i have driven a s2k at the gap and all i can say is honda successfully removed every aspect of "feel" from the car. the steering is light and vague. the shifter is vague. the clutch feels like u are stepping in butter.

my biggest complaint about the car has got to be the digital dash fuck how i hate them.

i did like the engine noise. looks interior. but for the money the miata hands down.

i have a 94 miata with 120k on it got it with 70k when ever i drive the car i go to redline in every gear until i hit cruising speed. every single time. only thing on car to break is the slave cylinder. car has great feel is nimble just slow but that is part of the fun being able to floor it for 4 gears and never break the speed limit. at every light it is a dig race to 10 over the limit and the only one who knows u are racing is u.

i have not driven a msm but would really like to.

in the end the only choice that matters is the one you make and the car that makes you smile as u walk to get in it every single time that is the car that is right. i dont care what u drive or own.

btw both cars are equally cool because they are rwd. and what is considered to be the original sports car. so good luck and drive the piss out of it and have fun.


So slow that no one knows ur racing but you = fun?? :thinking::screwy: Yea i guess that would make the s2000 the wrong car for you....

[Leadfoot_mf]

geez you people need to lighten up and realize that just because you own said car and like means you can never find fault with it. i drove my friends stock i repeat stock s2k i dont remember what tires where on the car crappy ones i would assume. the car was one of the first cars that came here what ever year that was i dont remember it was at least 5 years ago i know it had the small motor. now the cars would have been improved over time manufactures tend to do that.

dont get me wrong the s2k is the best car that honda makes. hell the stupid nsx has a transverse mounted v6 how gay is that please if u are going to go to the trouble to build the nsx mount the fucking motor the wright damn way and use a transaxle that really pisses me off about the nsx. oh and the stupid ass interior i rally hate the fact if u feel asleep in a nsx and wont you couldnt tell what honda you woke up in.

[VooDooXII]

Alright...let this die.

She's way into the MSM, and the fact that insurance is a bit lower for it will just add to that.

Enough, please...this thread is three months old.

[JITB]

msm - 1

s2k - 0


:)

[JennB]

If it doesn't rain... bring her to Dave & Busters in Duluth at 3 today.... a few MSM's (including mine) will be there. She can see the colors and different little bits you can add to them aftermarket for just a little more personalization.

[WTF?]

mazdaspeed not an S2chicken

[silvers2k]

i'd do the s2k, only if you dont mind the harsh road noise from the high revving engine. ive never driven a miata, but im sure its quieter that the s2k. space if of an issue too. its really tight in the s2k. so if you have friends, they had better have a ride.

[Mr.MuayThai]

Vtec FTW!

[VooDooXII]

i'd do the s2k, only if you dont mind the harsh road noise from the high revving engine.

She doesn't like this. She likes the turbocharger...she likes the Miata better.

Ahh...I've been through this already. It's pretty much decided...she's going after the MSM!

LET THIS DIE!

[OneSlow5pt0]

She doesn't like this. She likes the turbocharger...she likes the Miata better.

Ahh...I've been through this already. It's pretty much decided...she's going after the MSM!

LET THIS DIE!


:lmfao: ...well post some pics when she gets it:goodjob:

[VooDooXII]

:lmfao: ...well post some pics when she gets it:goodjob:

There will be WAY too much :leghump: if I post any picture of her.

[OneSlow5pt0]

There will be WAY too much :leghump: if I post any picture of her.

of the car,honkie

[VooDooXII]

of the car, honkie

:lmfao: @ that

Pictures of the car? Sure...but how will they be different from any other MSM pictures?

[OneSlow5pt0]

:lmfao: @ that

Pictures of the car? Sure...but how will they be different from any other MSM pictures?

kiss my ass

[VooDooXII]

Well, just letting everyone know...my friend Asher is the proud owner of a Mazdaspeed Miata! I'll get pics if I can. Who knows...the Changaroo and I might include Asher in our photo escapades.

Oh yea, and sorry Jenn! It's Black Mica too...*runs*

[Nismo]

If you get an S2k though you automatically become a douche bag, thats the only problem.

[speedminded]

If you get an S2k though you automatically become a douche bag, thats the only problem.That's still better than the alternative with a Miata, haha! :gay:

[compufreak21]

LOL! ^^ im with speedminded HAHA. Anyways congrats on your friend Asher getting a MazdaSpeed. They are fun little cars and im sure she will enjoy it.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Well, just letting everyone know...my friend Asher is the proud owner of a Mazdaspeed Miata! I'll get pics if I can. Who knows...the Changaroo and I might include Asher in our photo escapades.

Oh yea, and sorry Jenn! It's Black Mica too...*runs*

nice:goodjob:

look forward to seeing it

[Doppelgänger]

Well, just letting everyone know...my friend Asher is the proud owner of a Mazdaspeed Miata! I'll get pics if I can. Who knows...the Changaroo and I might include Asher in our photo escapades.

Oh yea, and sorry Jenn! It's Black Mica too...*runs*Jenn and I wont kill you if you invite us too :) lol

congrats.

Oh, have done a few mods to Jenn's car..... makes a huge difference. Power-wise, i need to install the downpipe and get the rest of the exhaust and it will be done. Then its on to lowering, new wheels and some cosmetic upgrades.

Oh, dont forget to tell your friend to stop by mazda-speed.com and check out the forums... and register the car :)

[SLo_MKIII]

S2K... no brainer

[Doppelgänger]

S2K... no brainerare you slow at life too??? wow....

[JEY$JDM]

I LOVE JDM S2000's

[JaYdEeMmM]

how bout this tell her to get her miata and drop and S2k motor into in and you have the perfect roadster :-D

[OneSlow5pt0]

how bout this tell her to get her miata and drop and S2k motor into in and you have the perfect roadster :-D


:rolleyes:

[BlkCD5]

Lets get a turbo car and then swap in a N/a motor in it. Please, do us all a favor and....

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/CDphoto95/gtfo_forum_11.jpg
:D :goodjob:

[redrumracer]

havent drove a s2000 but i love the handling of my miata even though its not a mazdaspeed. and shouldnt your friend have already made their mind by now?

[OneSlow5pt0]

havent drove a s2000 but i love the handling of my miata even though its not a mazdaspeed. and shouldnt your friend have already made their mind by now?

she did,she got a black MS

[VooDooXII]

Well, just letting everyone know...my friend Asher is the proud owner of a Mazdaspeed Miata! I'll get pics if I can. Who knows...the Changaroo and I might include Asher in our photo escapades.

Oh yea, and sorry Jenn! It's Black Mica too...*runs*

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she did,she got a black MS

Thank you.

[Doppelgänger]

how bout this tell her to get her miata and drop and S2k motor into in and you have the perfect roadster :-Dannnnd who are you???

[Imth3king87]

nice