intake- cold air vs. short ram

[dowhatido]

wanted to see what everyones view points are on this subject.

i think cold air is better if u have a car that is already fast off the line (for example if u take a stock d16 and put both intakes on i think the short ram will have more noticable power)

i just put 3" cold air on my civic (gsr) and i am shocked of how big the difference is, but wanted to see what yall have to say about the topic.

[dowhatido]

no1 like my poll....lol, i know turbo is the way to go so fuk both intakes, but me and my boys got into a debate about it, and i still havnt heard the end of it yet

[william_jeff]

because this is a topic covered so many times in so many forums

[bigdare23]

cold air >>> short ram due to pulling cooler air into the motor. The cooler the air, the more power it makes! A short ram is safer because you dont have to worry about hydrolocking your motor!



Oh yeah Honda Tech is your friend! Use it wisely!

[dowhatido]

because this is a topic covered so many times in so many forums

well thanx for ur useless remark, not tryin to b a ass, but if u shut off knowledge u wont get any smarter, may be every1 has not seen this topic, and would like to discuss it to help educate others

[dowhatido]

cold air >>> short ram due to pulling cooler air into the motor. The cooler the air, the more power it makes! A short ram is safer because you dont have to worry about hydrolocking your motor!



Oh yeah Honda Tech is your friend! Use it wisely!

ya i agree all the way i needed this posted up so i could throw it in some1's face they just arent on the same page as me/us, i do use honda tech just more familiar with this site, so we posted thread here so i didnt have to do a lot of searching. oh ya btw u nailed it on the vacuum line if i havnt told u yet

[william_jeff]

thats why the search button is your friend

[OneSlow5pt0]

lol

[GTScoob]

Cold air is better for NA motors. For turbo motors a short ram might be better depending on the setup, although the intake is going to heat up in the turbo and then cool off in the intercooler before going into the motor.

[bigdare23]

ya i agree all the way i needed this posted up so i could throw it in some1's face they just arent on the same page as me/us, i do use honda tech just more familiar with this site, so we posted thread here so i didnt have to do a lot of searching. oh ya btw u nailed it on the vacuum line if i havnt told u yet

I'm glad I was able to help on the vacuum leak thing. Yeah Honda tech is alot better for info then IA.

For now on this is you eg bible :goodjob:
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/642479



{oh yeah get a damn exhaust too, i remember your car being the loudest car out there :lmfao:}

[whatever210]

when i think of cold air vs a short ram i like to think like this. get under a blanket and stay there for a min or two, it gets hard to breath. thats what short ram is basicaly doing. your breathing the warm engine air. as for CAI your breathing fresh cold clean air. so which one do you think youll be better off with. prob the CAI.

[twinj]

To me Short ram. Cold air is worth it to me,between hydrolocking and the extra 3hp isn't worth it.

[GTScoob]

To me Short ram. Cold air is worth it to me,between hydrolocking and the extra 3hp isn't worth it.
So make a custom intake that doesnt put the filter right up underneath the bumper. See if you can route it to the fender, or even rig up some ducting to get cold air onto your filter.

[mxglory258]

So make a custom intake that doesnt put the filter right up underneath the bumper. See if you can route it to the fender, or even rig up some ducting to get cold air onto your filter.
First, cut a big ass hole in your fire wall. Then cut your heating ducts. Make a box where your intake will run right into them. Then Drive around with your AC on everywhere you go! lol

Atleast then with the constant air motion, you wont get condensation, and you'll always have cold air. lol

[twinj]

Ridiculous as that sounds I would want to see someone do that. To bad when you turn the AC on its going to put a load on the engine so i am curious to see how that works.

[Benefit]

turbo

[Sol-Badguy]

turbo
Butthole.

[KevinT707]

Cold Air is the way to go, I've been running the same intake for the past 2 years & have NEVER sucked up any water. The filter is located right in front of the passenger tire & behind the bumper and I don't even have the plastic shield that sits underneath it .. so it gets wet but obviously hasn't sucked up enough water cause my motor has never had problems from hydrolocking.

[Sol-Badguy]

I had a CAI on my Prelude that sucked air from practically UNDER the car.

Never had a problem with water, even on those RAINY nights to the V.

[SLo_MKIII]

CAI w/ bypass so i wouldnt kno if water got sucked up or not:D

[MulattoBoi]

I like SRI better!

[KevinT707]

intakes are overrated ..

[Extrememustang]

Im thinking of getting this one.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130111208783&rd=1,1


Also ok I see most ppl like the CAI, but doesnt WAI help out on the top end and wouldnt a WAI be better OPPOSED TO the stock box? Also does a intake help gas mileage, Ive head so much on this back and forth.

[Humphrizzle]

you wont get any difference between a cold air and short ram intake.

they just sound better.

god i am kinda confused with some people sometimes.

[si_speed]

SRI with BPi flowstack FTW!

[FCC_Newbie91]

i think cold air is better if u have a car that is already fast off the line (for example if u take a stock d16 and put both intakes on i think the short ram will have more noticable power)


so a short ram would make a bigger difference than a cold air intake on my d16?

[henryjkim]

heat soak ftl

[Andy_013]

cold air intake sounds alot better @ 5000 rpm.

[4doortypels]

Well i vote CAI with a bypass valve and a hydrosheild for a dry element filter. should sufice

[bRiAnMcIvIcS]

Short ram dude. What is 2hp gonna matter? I dont think you wanna hydro lock your motor for a measly 2hp anyways, do you? J's racing CF intake all the way! Besides its just an intake not a turbo.Lmao!

[VteckTuna]

thats why the search button should be your friend

Fixed.

[an0therh22]

password jdm or ARC intakes. both short and both with great numbers. alot of members have the whale penis on here. i voted short ram obvioulsy.

[Sol-Badguy]

Yeah, I wish I could afford an ARC box.

[12'S_ON_24'S]

you suck

[GaGen2Teg]

CAI w/ bypass power and safety:yes:

[an0therh22]

Yeah, I wish I could afford an ARC box.that is just about the sexiest thing you can put into your engine bay. besides a log manifold.

[bowdown201]

I have CAI on mine and havent had any problems with hydrolocking or nething but yea theres really not much differance though

[Benefit]

i agree with the people who have said hydrolocking is not worth the .3whp...ive seen it happen.

if you run a CAI , definitely invest into a bypass filter also...

i know this though...

this 5$ intake
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/94-01-Acura-Integra-RS-LS-GS-Air-Intake-Kit-95-97-98-99_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ38634QQihZ008QQitemZ 180169826870QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

vs. this 1000$ intake
http://cgi.ebay.com/MUGEN-INTAKE-SYSTEM-HONDA-INTEGRA-DC2-TYPE-R-ITR-B18C_W0QQitemZ290172974606QQihZ019QQcategoryZ36680 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

and the power gains will be very minimal between the two.

[hondaxpurt]

personally, i have had both and i seem to notice the short ram more...

[cobalt9123]

CAI is much better for power, the SRI is just for better flow/sound, it sucks in hot air from the engine so it's no good for power, but it does get better flow..it's basically a cheaper alternative to cold air, the only problem CAI's have is getting waterlogged(due to the fact that they're in the bumper instead of the engine) but i've never had aproblem with that and they have covers and stuff for it.

[whatever210]

intakes are overrated ..

i guess they are when you have a intercooler.

[Got Milk?]

short ram if u dont go to track, for daily drive, but cold if u dont drive the car every day, when it rains hard, and for some a little bit, ur engine can go off in a sec.

[Sol-Badguy]

Geez, your sig makes me eyes hurt.

[PURP]

Don't risk the motor lock.....get yourselves some short rams.

[coreyctr1980]

Short Ram FTW...I had an AEM CAI on my dc2 and the first time it rained i hit a puddle, the motor hydrolocked and slung a rod through the block.

[hondachik]

depends on your setup and I guess how lowered your car is.


SR is better for me...my engine got raped in July due to heavy rainwater in the road. i was lucky that engine started (& wouldn't start until 18 hours later). my new SR came in handy 2 weeks ago. the day after i installed it, it poured down like hell here. lets just say, i wasn't stuck on the side of the rd this time:goodjob:

[TicketRedBB6]

depends on your setup and I guess how lowered your car is.


SR is better for me...my engine got raped in July due to heavy rainwater in the road. i was lucky that engine started (& wouldn't start until 18 hours later). my new SR came in handy 2 weeks ago. the day after i installed it, it poured down like hell here. lets just say, i wasn't stuck on the side of the rd this time:goodjob:

I don't think the lowering matters, atleast not on subcompacts. I used to drive a stock height civic with a CAI and got water in it just from driving a long distance in the rain, not through any puddles or anything.

[abstract]

There is not much hp difference between cold air and short ram. Boost the dammmm car.

[hondachik]

I don't think the lowering matters, atleast not on subcompacts. I used to drive a stock height civic with a CAI and got water in it just from driving a long distance in the rain, not through any puddles or anything.

mine had to do with height. i drove in 1 puddle and my whole intake filter got submerged for no more than 5 seconds and my car shut off. atleast now i dont have anything to worry about.

[jville95]

I run a CAI as well and haven't had any problems with it in the rain either. Yes I do have the plastic shield but im also cautious when driving it when its raining too. No bypass valve. <--- causes power loss but a nice idea if your car is slammed.

[civicmantim]

you can run the password JDM carbonfiber whale penis it's just as good if not better than a cold air ,so yes I would say shortram....

[81911SC]

Don't look at the original post date or anything, f@ggot.

[DecoyOctopus]

i think this is the most common repost on ia

[Got Milk?]

ehh. since when do intakes give HP? i mean real HP? lol

[The_ CaneCorso]

omg

[turbob20]

cold air entry is better and builds more power period. i dont care if its turboed, na or what. colder denser air aides to better atomization and mixing of the air and fuel . why do you think nos is so popular? because it does this regardless of what you use by squeezing that air fuel into the combustion chambers at a faster rate at the expense of higher cylinder pressure and temps though. but cold air will always yield more power. EXAMPLES. cryogen setups intercooler sprayers and dont forget the tried and true fuel ice cool cans that cools that go go juice as well as air this all aides cooler air fuel temps equaling more power.

[Shibby]

I have short ram, will never have Cold air.. 1 hp isnt worth 100 bucks to me.


Bought mine for looks.

[OldSchool87]

Lets think about this ..

Cold Air combust better than hot giving you a stronger combustion Correct?...Correct
So no mater the application wether it's N/A or Turbo/Supercharger, giving your engine colder air is always better than hot air.

short ram and cold air tubes will both heat up the same in the engine compartment, but where the short ram will start to suck hot air once the engine copartment heats up, the cold air is always sucking colder air. IE making more power.

[seanrg1116]

cold air for low end- short ram for top end

[quicksix]

I have to go with short ram becuase the piping on a CAI is goin to eventually heat up anyway from being close to the motor.

[patch515]

neverending thread

[_Subzero_]

im going with short ram on this one, not much of a lag in getting air into the engine as a cold air would have.

[BABY J]

cold air for low end- short ram for top end

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

And it only took 59 posts to get here. Amazing collection of retards we have here.

/thread

[jdmblock]

i say short ram. i mean colder air is better but with the cold air you have to worry about suckin up water and hydro locking your motor. i know i know they sell by pass valves but thats just more money for a part that restricts air flow. so there for cold air with by pass valve prolly the same as short. i think short looks better to. but if you wanna run the risk...

[BABY J]

In all the years of running CAIs i've never locked a motor --- IMO it's an idiot who does that.

[.:Stirfry:.]

i say short ram. i mean colder air is better but with the cold air you have to worry about suckin up water and hydro locking your motor. i know i know they sell by pass valves but thats just more money for a part that restricts air flow. so there for cold air with by pass valve prolly the same as short. i think short looks better to. but if you wanna run the risk...

comming from guy with a sn like yours. weird

[.:Stirfry:.]

In all the years of running CAIs i've never locked a motor --- IMO it's an idiot who does that.

true story

[a94civicex]

i prefer short ram because ive sucked up water through a cold air system and hydro locked a motor before and will not go down that road again!!!!!!!!!

[jmotley]

the weather in your area and your opinion/what you want outta ur build.

[NEMO]

just sayin...

[BABY J]

My Penis > Whale Penis