b18 or h22

[Extrememustang]

So in a crx what would be best bet? Also I need what? Motor,trans,ecu,wire harness, computer, is that it?

[bigdare23]

b16 for dd and price
h22 for a drag car (alot of work)

your choice!

[Extrememustang]

So why is h22 alot of work? Also you say b16 instead of b18? Im new to the honda motors. I do drive a civic and a ridgeline but Im more fmailiar with nissan motors.

[Krytdrgn]

Either one is an assload of work. Good luck. I'd just buy a car with an H22. :goodjob:

[Extrememustang]

Ok why is it a assload of work? I was thinking of a 90 crx and doing this too. If I have a front clip then would it still be alot of work?

[bigdare23]

i meant b18

[Extrememustang]

what if u have all the parts?

[KevinT707]

Yes, an H22 will require some additional work (not crazy amounts of custom but some extra) but IMO I like it more.

If I could do it again, I would never go with a B16 in my CRX the first time. I would've just gotten an H22 swap for cheaper (than a B16 motor) & then used the rest of the money for the extra labor for the H22 swap.

Think about it, B16s make no torque & 160 HP while H22 make alot more torque & are rated at 200 hp .. It'd be a faster bolt-in motor overall and the motor itself is no more than 50 lbs heavier so it shouldn't mess with handling.

[Extrememustang]

What kind of custom work does it need?

[KevinT707]

What kind of custom work does it need?
I read it in a Super Street, Import Tuner or something similar awhile back but I forgot ..

All I remember is some exact spots in the walls of the engine bay have to be hammered in for the motor to fit, but I read it & it didn't seem like it was impossible at all. Obviously, because there are plenty of CRX/H22s :goodjob:

[jfrolang]

Hasport makes H22 mounts for CRXs now... The details should be on their site. If you really want to go all out though, shoot for a K20.

[bafbrian]

Well, how about a H2B swap into your car ?

Got the benefits of both setups, H22 for the displacement and torque and the B-series tranny for the gear ratios.

[Krytdrgn]

Hasport makes H22 mounts for CRXs now... The details should be on their site. If you really want to go all out though, shoot for a K20.

I'm a huge fan of the K20 (obviously) and the H22 as well. Though I feel the K20 is definitely a superior engine to the h22, I just don't think the power differences are worth the work I'd anticipate and especially the difference in cost between a h22 and a k20a2. You'll find more help and guidance on the H22 as well if you do the install. Jusy my .02

[bafbrian]

Just to elaborate further on the h2b swap.

You get the power of the h22 and tranny ratios of a b-series, which in turn means performance on par with the k20a2, not to mention it will cost a hell of a lot less than a k20a2.

I think d-sport or some magazine has a article about it. Trust me, a h2b swap will give you what you want and then some.

[bigdare23]

So in a crx what would be best bet? Also I need what? Motor,trans,ecu,wire harness, computer, is that it?


It really depends on what your going for. N/A, turbo, reliabiliy, dd,..................

Get a ZC/d15b/d16a6/z6/y8 swap if your car is down and need wheels asap. LOL They are not really that bad. With a few bolt ons they can beat b18a/b and b16 swap cars. One bad thing is it's hard to get parts for the ZC, but other than that they are ok! (1/4 times 15-16 sec car) {also realize times depend on the drivers, tires, location,.....}

The best bang for your buck would be a b18a/b. Why? Because they are the cheapest b and strongest. It can be used both for N/A and turbo. If you want vtec, you can add that later down the road (but the block would need to be built) and they can hold alot of boost. (1/4 times 15 sec car)

I have at b16 swap in my car and it's pretty quick (over stock). The swap is kinda pricey compared to b18a/b (which has more tq but less hp) swap. The best part of the swap is the b16 tranny. Its perfect for drag racing. Also you dont have to worry about building the motor for vtec like you would for a LS/Vtec. (1/4 times 14-15 sec car)

GSR/TypeR swap is like taking the best from both the b16 and b18a/b and combining them. You get more tq, vtec, and a nice geared tranny. Down fall is the price. Its like $1k-$3.5K more than the b16 swap which is already over priced. (1/4 times 13-14 sec car)

A H22 is cheaper and more powerful then the GSR (cost just a tab bit more than a b16). Down fall labor. Now you can mounts and axles, but they cost more than they would for a b-series swap. Then the wiring is a pain and there's something crazy with the shift linkage. On top of it, the swap weighs more than b and that already weighs more than your factory engine. So handling is affected (some say it not bad, others say it's horrible). One reason why I like a crx is because of it handling and weight. So.............. (1/4 times 13 sec car)

K-series swap are the new thing. If you want to drop +$8k into your CRX be my guess! With the money you spend on this swap you can swap one of the previous motors and turbo them! Shit if you get a d-series or b18a/b motor you can turbo+build those motors for the price of that swap! Unless you swap the Civic Si/RSX base motor in you EF (which I doubt). (1/4 times 12-13 sec car)

Hopefully this help! My suggestion is to do alot of thinking before you make your choice. Also plan out what you want to do so you dont change you mind a lot (like me). At first I wanted a b20z, then b18a/b, but got a b16. Since then I wanted to go b20/vtec, but bought a b16 swap to build LOL. Oh yeah dont let others design your car for ya! Its okay to take suggestion, but dont base your decision on other people opinion! :goodjob:


(if anyone feel I posted bad info LMK by correcting me) :goodjob:

[§treet_§peed]

FUCK A GOTDAMN H22 I AM SO MOTHER FUCKING TIRED OF HEARING H22 THIS H22 THAT... THROW A D IN THAT BITCH.....

[§treet_§peed]

Imma do a all motor k in a gutted crx...jsut stock motor fully gutted with suspension and good wheels and tires. and maybe CAI and full exhaust will run really good freaking numbers i think i heard 13's? :dunno:

[sleepys4]

h22 all the way

[bigdare23]

Imma do a all motor k in a gutted crx...jsut stock motor fully gutted with suspension and good wheels and tires. and maybe CAI and full exhaust will run really good freaking numbers i think i heard 13's? :dunno:

know this guy from columbus who runs 12 with just a header LOL

[bigdare23]

oh yeah, for a k-swap you gotta chop up your hood or have a SiR front.

[Extrememustang]

Ok what did the k20 come in? Menaing what car and the specs on it. This is why I like nissan sometimes a few motors and easy to keep up with.

[bigdare23]

civic si
rsx base
rsx type s
rsx type r

[§treet_§peed]

oh yeah, for a k-swap you gotta chop up your hood or have a SiR front. but that shit is still fast none the less!! :D

[§treet_§peed]

K20a FTMFW foo!!

K20A 2.0 16V DOHC i-VTEC PGM-FI 1998 220hp@8000rpm 206tq@7000rpm '01-'02 Integra (JDM)
'02 Civic Type-R (JDM)
K20A2 2.0 16V DOHC i-VTEC PGM-FI 1998 200hp@7000rpm 142tq@6000rpm '01-'02 RSX Type-S (USA)
K20A3 2.0 16V DOHC i-VTEC PGM-FI 1998 160hp@6600rpm 132tq@5000rpm '01-'02 RSX (USA)
'02 Civic Si (USA)
K24 2.4 16V DOHC i-VTEC PGM-FI 2354 160hp@6000 162@3200 '02 CR-V (USA)

[Krytdrgn]

Imma do a all motor k in a gutted crx...jsut stock motor fully gutted with suspension and good wheels and tires. and maybe CAI and full exhaust will run really good freaking numbers i think i heard 13's? :dunno:

What a waste of a damn F/I potential and I doubt you crack 240 whp

[KevinT707]

H22 homes, in reality they are not much heavier than a B16 (50 lbs MAX) and I'm almost positive it won't affect handling.

A friend of mine gotta H22 swap in an EK an said he didn't feel any handling difference, yes its in an EK but it's still a Civic hatch.

[Extrememustang]

ek, eg?

[bigdare23]

H22 homes, in reality they are not much heavier than a B16 (50 lbs MAX) and I'm almost positive it won't affect handling.

A friend of mine gotta H22 swap in an EK an said he didn't feel any handling difference, yes its in an EK but it's still a Civic hatch.

Kevin it's alot easier to put a h22 in a eg & ek then a ef

[Extrememustang]

Ok what is a ek eg ef?

[§treet_§peed]

What a waste of a damn F/I potential and I doubt you crack 240 whp Man lick my ass after i take a runny shit.. K20 PWNS you.. and yeah you could bust 13's with what i said....:goodjob:

92-95 civic hatchis EG 96-00 civic hatch is a EK mostly all hatches before 92 are refered to as EF's..:goodjob:

[Extrememustang]

Wtf, I dont get honda sometimes. Ok why does the 2.0 make more hp then the 2.4.

[§treet_§peed]

only 2.4 honda motor i know of is a stroked motor, K24, or a nsx motor... because Hondas are mad JDM TyTe!!! Here is a list of almost every Honda motor ever mad and what car it comes in....

Honda/Acura Motors
A18A1 1.8 12V SOHC Dual Sidedraft 1829 100hp@5500rpm 107tq@4000rpm '87 Prelude (USA)
A20A1 2.0 12V SOHC 2bbl Carb 1955 98hp@5500rpm 109tq@3500rpm '87-'89 Accord DX/LX (USA)
A20A3 2.0 12V SOHC PGM-FI 1955 110hp@5500rpm 114tq@4500rpm '87 Accord LX-i (USA)
A20A3 2.0 12V SOHC PGM-FI 1955 120hp@5500rpm ?? '88-'89 Accord LX-i (USA)
B16 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 158hp@7600rpm 112tq@7000rpm '90-'93 Integra XSi/RSi (JDM)
B16A 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 160hp@7800rpm 111tq@7300rpm '89-'91 Civic SiR (JDM)
B16A 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 170hp@7800rpm 116tq@7300rpm '92-'95 Civic (EUR)
B16A1 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 160hp@7600rpm 111tq@5200rpm '90-'91 Civic SiR (JDM)
'90-'91 CRX SiR (JDM)
B16A2 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 160hp@7600rpm 111tq@7000rpm '99-'00 Civic Si (USA) >
B16A3 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 160hp@7600rpm 111tq@7000rpm '94-'95 DelSol VTEC (USA)
B16A4 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 170hp@7800rpm ?? '96-'00 Civic Si-RII (JDM)
B16B 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 185hp@8200rpm 118tq@7500 '98-'01 Civic Type-R (JDM)
B17A1 1.7 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1678 160hp@7600rpm 117tq@7000rpm '92-'93 Integra GS-R (USA)
B18A1 1.8 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1834 130hp@6000rpm 121tq@5000rpm '90-'91 Integra GS (USA)
B18B1 1.8 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1834 140hp@6300rpm 121tq@5200rpm '92-'93 Integra GS (USA)
B18B1 1.8 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1834 142hp@6300rpm 127tq@5200rpm '94-'00 Integra RS/LS/GS (USA)
B18C 1.8 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1797 178hp@7600rpm 129@6200rpm '95-'97 Integra SiR (JDM)
B18C1 1.8 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1797 170hp@7600rpm 128tq@6200rpm '94-'01 Integra GS-R
B18C5 1.8 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1797 195hp@7800rpm 130tq@7600rpm '98-'01 Integra Type-R (JDM)
B18C6 1.8 DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1829 ?? ?? '96 Integra Type R
B18C7 1.8 DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1829 ?? ?? '96 Integra Type R
B20A3 2.0 12V SOHC Dual Sidedraft 1955 100hp@5500rpm 107tq@4000rpm '88 - '89 Prelude
'90 Prelude S
B20A5 2.0 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1955 110hp@5500rpm 114tq@4500rpm '87 - '91 Prelude 2.0 Si
B20B 2.0 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1997 126hp@5400rpm 133tq@4300rpm '97-'98 CR-V (USA)
B20Z 2.0 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1997 146hp@6400rpm 143tq@4500rpm '98-'01 CR-V (USA)
B21A1 2.1 16V DOHC PGM-FI 2056 140hp@5800rpm 135tq@3500rpm '90-'91 Prelude Si (USA)
BS 2.0 12V SOHC 2bbl Carb 1955 98hp@5500rpm 110tq@3500rpm '86 Accord DX/LX (USA)
BT 2.0 12V SOHC PGM-FI 1955 110hp@5500rpm 114tq@4500rpm '86 Accord LX-i (USA)
'86 Prelude Si (USA)
C27A4 2.7 24V SOHC PGM-FI 2675 170@5600rpm 165Ho@4500 '95 Accord V6
C30A 3.0 24V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2977 265hp@6800rpm 224tq@5400rpm '02 NSX
C30A 3.0 12V SOHC V6 PGM-FI ?? ?? ?? '90 - '95 Legend
C32A 3.2 24V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 3197 280hp@7300rpm 224tq@5400rpm '02 NSX
D13A2 1.3 8V SOHC 2bbl Carb 1342 60hp@5500rpm 73tq@3500rpm '87 Civic/CRX 1.3 (USA)
D15A2 1.5 8V SOHC 2bbl Carb 1488 76hp@6000rpm 84tq@3500rpm '87 Civic/CRX 1.5 (USA)
D15A2 1.5 8V SOHC 2bbl Carb 1488 58hp@4500rpm 80tq@2500rpm '87 Civic/CRX HF (USA)
D15A3 1.5 8V SOHC PGM-FI 1488 91hp@5500rpm 93tq@4500rpm '87 Civic/CRX Si (USA)
D15B1 1.5 8V SOHC PGM-FI 1493 70hp@5500rpm 83tq@3000rpm '88-'?? Civic
D15B2 1.5 16V SOHC PGM-FI 1493 92hp@6000rpm 89tq@4500rpm '88-'91 Civic DX/LX (USA)
D15B6 1.5 8V SOHC PGM-FI 1493 62hp@4500rpm 83tq@3000rpm '88-'89 Civic/CRX HF (USA)
D15B6 1.5 8V SOHC PGM-FI 1493 62hp@4500rpm 90tq@3000rpm '90-'91 Civic/CRX HF (USA)
D15B7 1.5 16V SOHC PGM-FI 1493 102hp@5900rpm 98tq@5000rpm '92-'95 Civic DX/LX (USA)
D15B8 1.5 8V SOHC PGM-FI 1493 70hp@4500rpm 83tq@3000rpm '92-'95 Civic CX (USA)
D15Z1 1.5 16V SOHC VTEC-E PGM-FI 1493 92hp@5500rpm 97tq@4500rpm '92-'95 Civic VX (USA)
D16A1 1.6 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1590 113hp@6250rpm 99tq@5500rpm '86-'89 Integra (USA)
D16A3 1.6 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1590 118hp@6500rpm 103tq@5500rpm '88-'89 Integra (USA)
D16A6 1.6 16V SOHC PGM-FI 1590 108hp@6000rpm 100tq@5000rpm '88-'91 Civic Si
'88-'91 CRX Si
D16A8/9 1.6 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1595 137hp@6800rpm 108tq@5700rpm '88-'91 Civic/CRX Si (JDM)
D16Y5 1.6 16V SOHC VTEC-E PGM-FI 1590 115hp@6200rpm 104tq@5400rpm '96-'00 Civic HX (USA)
D16Y7 1.6 16V SOHC PGM-FI 1590 106hp@6200rpm 103tq@4600rpm '96-'00 Civic CX/DX/LX (USA)
D16Y8 1.6 16V SOHC VTEC-II PGM-FI 1590 127hp@6600rpm 107tq@5500rpm '96-'00 Civic EX (USA)
D16Z6 1.6 16V SOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1590 125hp@6600rpm 106tq@5200rpm '92 - '95 Civic EX/Si (USA)
'93-'95 Del Sol Si (USA)
D17A1 1.7 16V SOHC PGM-FI 1668 115hp@6100rpm 110tq@4500rpm '01-'02 Civic DX/LX (USA)
D17A2 1.7 16V SOHC VTEC-II PGM-FI 1668 127hp@6300rpm 114tq@4800rpm '01-'02 Civic EX (USA)
EB1 1.2 8V SOHC 2bbl Carb 1170 50hp@5000rpm 59tq@3000rpm '73 Civic (USA)
EB2 1.2 8V SOHC 2bbl Carb 1237 63hp@5000rpm 77tq@3000rpm '74-79 Civic (USA)
EB3 1.2 8V SOHC 2bbl Carb 1237 63hp@5000rpm 77tq@3000rpm '78-79 Civic (USA)
ED1 1.5 8V SOHC CVCC 3bbl Carb 1487 52hp@5000rpm 68tq@3000rpm '75 Civic CVCC (USA)
ED3 1.5 8V SOHC CVCC 3bbl Carb 1487 52hp@5000rpm 68tq@3000rpm '75 Civic Wagon (USA)
'76-79 Civic CVCC
ED4 1.5 8V SOHC CVCC 3bbl Carb 1487 52hp@5000rpm 68tq@3000rpm '76-'79 Civic Wagon (USA)
EF1 1.6 8V SOHC 3bbl Carb 1600 68hp@5000rpm 85tq@3000rpm '76-'78 Accord (USA)
EJ1 1.3 8V SOHC 3bbl Carb 1335 68hp@5000rpm 77tq@3000rpm '80 Civic (USA)
EJ1 1.3 8V SOHC 3bbl Carb 1335 60hp@5500rpm 68tq@4000rpm '81-'83 Civic (USA)
EK1 (2V) 1.8 8V SOHC 3bbl Carb 1751 72hp@4500rpm 94tq@3000rpm '79-'81 Accord (USA)
'79-'91 Prelude (USA)
EK1 (4V) 1.8 8V SOHC 3bbl Carb 1751 75hp@4500rpm 96tq@3000rpm '82-'83 Accord (USA)
'82 Prelude (USA)
EM1 1.5 8V SOHC CVCC 3bbl Carb 1487 52hp@5000rpm 68tq@3000rpm '80 Civic (USA)
EM1 1.5 8V SOHC CVCC 3bbl Carb 1487 63hp@5000rpm 77tq@3000rpm '81-'83 Civic (USA)
ES1 1.8 12V SOHC Dual Sidedraft 1829 100hp@5500rpm 104tq@4000rpm '83-'84 Prelude (USA)
ES2 1.8 12V SOHC 3bbl Carb 1829 86hp@5800rpm 99tq@3500rpm '84 - '85 Accord (USA)
ES3 1.8 12V SOHC PGM-FI 1829 101hp@5800rpm 108tq@2500rpm '85 Accord SE-i (USA)
ET2 1.8 12V SOHC Dual Sidedraft 1829 100@5500rpm 104@4000rpm '85 - '86 Prelude (USA)
EV1 1.3 8V SOHC 3bbl Carb 1342 60hp@5500rpm 73tq@3500rpm '84-'86 Civic (USA)
'84-'86 CRX (USA)
EW1 1.5 8V SOHC 3bbl Carb 1488 76hp@6000rpm 84tq@3500rpm '84-'86 Civic (USA)
'84-'85 Civic/CRX HF (USA)
EW1 1.5 8V SOHC 3bbl Carb 1488 58hp@4500rpm 80tq@2500rpm '86 CRX HF (USA)
EW1 1.5 8V SOHC 3bbl Carb 1488 70hp@6000rpm 84tq@3500rpm '86 Civic (USA)
EW3 1.5 8V SOHC PGM-FI 1488 91hp@5500rpm 93tq@4500rpm '85 Civic/CRX Si (USA)
EW4 1.5 8V SOHC PGM-FI 1488 91hp@5500rpm 93tq@4500rpm '86 Civic/CRX Si (USA)
F20A 2.0 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1955 150hp@6100rpm 137tq@5000rpm '90-'93 Accord Si (JDM)
F20A4 2.0 SOHC PGM-FI 1955 ?? ?? '94 Prelude
F20B 2.0 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1955 149 kW ?? '90-'93 Accord Si-R (JDM)
F20C 2.0 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1997 240hp@8300rpm 153tq@7500rpm '00-'02 S2000
F22 2.2 16V DOHC PGM-FI 2156 160hp@6000rpm 148tq@5000rpm '92-'96 Prelude Si (USA)
F22A1 2.2 SOHC PGM-FI 2156 125hp@5200rpm 137tq@4000rpm '90-'93 Accord (USA)
F22A1 2.2 SOHC PGM-FI 2156 135hp@5200rpm 142tq@4000rpm '92-'96 Prelude S (USA)
F22A2 2.2 SOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2156 108 kW ?? '94-'97 Accord EX
F22A4 2.2 16V SOHC PGM-FI 2156 130hp@5200rpm 140tq@4000rpm '90-'91 Accord EX (USA)
F22A6 2.2 16V SOHC PGM-FI 2156 140hp@5600rpm 142tq@5200rpm '91 Accord SE (USA)
'92 Accord EX-R (JDM)
'93 Accord EX/SE (USA)
F22B1 2.2 16V DOHC PGM-FI 2156 145hp@5500rpm 147tq@4500rpm '94-'95 Accord EX (USA)
F22B2 2.2 16V SOHC PGM-FI 2156 130hp@5300rpm 139tq@4200rpm '94-'95 Accord DX/LX (USA)
F23A1 2.3 SOHC VTEC 2259 112 kW '98+ Accord EX/LX
F23A4 2.3 SOHC ULEV VTEC PGM-FI 2259 110 kW ?? '98-'?? Accord EX/LX
H22 2.2 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2157 190hp@6800rpm 152tq@5500rpm '94-'97 Accord SiR (JDM)
H22 2.2 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2157 200hp@6800rpm 161tq@5500rpm '92-'96 Prelude VTEC (USA)
H22A 2.2 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2157 220hp@7200rpm 163tq@6500rpm '97-'01 Prelude SiR (JDM)
H22A 2.2 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2157 200hp@7000rpm 156tq@5250rpm '99-'01 Prelude (USA)
H22A 2.2 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2157 200hp@7200rpm 163tq@6500rpm '97-'01 Prelude Type-S (JDM)
H22A1 2.2 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2157 195hp@7000rpm 156tq@5250rpm '97-'98 Prelude (USA)
H22A1 2.2 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2157 190hp@6800rpm 158tq@5500rpm '94-'96 Prelude VTEC (USA)
H23 2.3 16V DOHC PGM-FI 2259 160hp@5800rpm 156tq@4500rpm '93-'95 Prelude Type-S (JDM)
H23A1 2.3 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2259 160hp@5800rpm 156tq@4500rpm '92-'96 Prelude Si (USA)
K20A 2.0 16V DOHC i-VTEC PGM-FI 1998 220hp@8000rpm 206tq@7000rpm '01-'02 Integra (JDM)
'02 Civic Type-R (JDM)
K20A2 2.0 16V DOHC i-VTEC PGM-FI 1998 200hp@7000rpm 142tq@6000rpm '01-'02 RSX Type-S (USA)
K20A3 2.0 16V DOHC i-VTEC PGM-FI 1998 160hp@6600rpm 132tq@5000rpm '01-'02 RSX (USA)
'02 Civic Si (USA)
K24 2.4 16V DOHC i-VTEC PGM-FI 2354 160hp@6000 162@3200 '02 CR-V (USA)

[Krytdrgn]

Man lick my ass after i take a runny shit.. K20 PWNS you.. and yeah you could bust 13's with what i said....:goodjob:

92-95 civic hatchis EG 96-00 civic hatch is a EK mostly all hatches before 92 are refered to as EF's..:goodjob:

Sorry for the slow reply. I never get on this site.

13's? Wow.. slow down. Wouldn't want to actually be fast or anything.

OP, you make a decision or ever do the engine swap?