ATTN: Nissan Drivers. Teach me.

[EvasiveEF9]

I've been in the import scene a little while, now. I've built some motors, but mostly all I have gotten to play with is FF setups. I've done a little bit of autocross, and countless mountain passes. I'm ready for something new. Drifting seems to be the latest fad. I've been to a few events, and it looks fun. Reminds me of when I was 16 with a dodge ram and lit up a tire coming out of a turn getting the back end a little bit loose.

Well, I think an FR setup, whether I go drifting or not, will be the next vehicle I wanna build. Insurance prevents me from getting a high-powered car, or a new car. So...I'm looking at the line of Nissans because I like their body style (180s, 240s, 240z, 280z/300Z (the older models)) and I've found some affordable ones. So I wanna learn about what can be done to what years...

For example, my 91 honda civic...83-87 you can't really do many swaps to, but 88-91 you can do just about any honda made...

Basically, I wanna know what gens can have what done to them, I wanna know what front ends can be put on what, I wanna know what's optimal for drifting (in the event I decide to get into it) etc.

Thanks for any help and lessons I'll be learning.

Thanks, again, everyone!

[Ltdnismorace]

You can basically swap any SR or RB motors into any 240 model. I believe the 300zxs come with a V series motor in them and are a bitch to work on, so I'd stay away from them. I recently saw a really bad ass S12, might wanna go with that and be a little different.

EDIT: check this one out, already built and guy is looking for a FWD trade
http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110998

[EvasiveEF9]

Dropped a line on his. I may considering trading my EF, but I friggin' love that car to death! I've done so much to it, LoL. We'll see what happens.

When I was doing research on the 240's, though, (89+) I thought I read where 89 and 90 couldn't have a certain engine, but 91+ could? Or was that an errror on their part?.

Also, whats' the difference between SR and RB motors? Keep in mind I'm new to Nissan, LoL. I've built carb'd V8's, and honda/acura's, and one or two toyota's, LoL.

[LSR]

240's are easy to swap. RB's are somewhat heavy. the SR20 is my personal favorite. yeah i drive a Nissan but im still Honda at heart. my 1st car was a 98 Integra and im still in love with her. Hondas are by far the easiest cars to swap/work on.. hell if u want a good FR car just get an older S2K

[EvasiveEF9]

LoL, I'm not ballin' for cash. I'm a college student with no job. I'm in the corps of cadets. NOT ballin', LoL.

I've got my 91 civ hatch I may trade/sell off, and I've also got a 93 integra I'm parting out. I'm hoping it'll give me a LITTLE something to get started off with...

[Ltdnismorace]

SR20det are the motors that came in the Silvia equivalent to our 240sx in japan. They are a DOHC 2.0 liter turbocharged engine. Came with a T25 turbo and are fairly quick in stock form.

The RB motors come in several different variations ranging from RB20det to RB26dett, obviously the latter being the motor from the covetted GTR34 skylines.

As far as which motors can go where, according to my knowledge with the know how to do it, you can stick any of them in any car. The SRs came in 3 different turbo varieties I think, redtop, from the sil eightys and S13 silvias, the blacktop in the S14 silvias, and the other blacktop in the S15 silvias. As far as I know, you shouldn't have a problem putting the motor in your USDM 240 as long as you have the JDM ECU for your year equivalent car. Someone else may chime in and say I'm retarded, but this is what I know. As far as the RB swaps, don't really know what all is involved their, never done one, but a lot of people do. I know the rb26dett is supposed to be matted to a AWD setup so if you wanted to put it into a 240, you'd need a RWD tranny from one of the other RB series motors from an R32 or 33.

[Ltdnismorace]

all in all, being a first timer, I'd try to get one already swapped and learn from it. It's basically all done so you can take it appart and back together and learn as you go. It would be harder to build from the ground up being a first timer to this. I also agree with the other guy, RBs are heavy and unless you're going for the RB26dett, won't really get you a whole lot more than a built SR20det would.

[EvasiveEF9]

Well, if I keep my civic, I dont' mind doing a swap myself because I'll have the time for it to sit. Reading up on the RB motor, I would probably go with the SR. How much can one be picked up for?

I love my civic, but now I'm considering, LoL, but if I do move from Honda to Nissan, I've got SO much shit to sell off, LoL

[Ltdnismorace]

just a quick search on ebay, lots of other places sell swaps though

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=unknown&sbrftog=1&from=R10&satitle=sr20det+engine+swap&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&fmmk=&fmmd=&fylo=&fyhi=&mppfqy=sr20det+engine+swap&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=26301&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search

[Broke240]

I wouldn't buy a motor off of ebay. There are some good places that you can get SRs from here in GA like Jarco and Jhot. You can go look at what your getting before you get it. If you buy one off the internet your better off going with a well know place like heavythrottle or something.

[Ltdnismorace]

I wouldn't buy a motor off of ebay. There are some good places that you can get SRs from here in GA like Jarco and Jhot. You can go look at what your getting before you get it. If you buy one off the internet your better off going with a well know place like heavythrottle or something.

I agree with him, I was just using the ebay link to show how large the price differences are

[stcguitarist]

you can pick up a pretty new sr20 for about $1600 , i think . at least thats what they were when i was lookin at em . are you going to go with the 240s or somthin different ? the 240 is the best all around drift car that nissan makes ( in my opinion) because of the weight distribution . drop an sr20 in that thing and with the right setup and a few mods you have a decent drift car . thats just my thoughts anyway.

[EvasiveEF9]

Yeha, but I LOVE the body style of the old 240/260/280Z's...and they're less common than the S body.

I don't know. Time will tell. Right now I'm just exploring options... I've got at least a month; I've still gotta get this integra parted and out of my garage, first.

[stcguitarist]

yeah i rather the s13 instead of the s14s , they just look better . i havnt seen any 280 drift cars but im sure they have em. im not sure how well they would work though , i think there pretty heavy . but yeah explore your options and do your homework . im sure youll end up with a good car .

[EvasiveEF9]

Either that or I'll turn it into a good car. Most any car can be turned into a good car. Just takes money and skills. I mean come on...my 91 civ hatch can do donuts around most of my friends' cars. And I don't mean drifting. With todays technology and available parts, I don't really doubt any cars...

[stcguitarist]

true , very true

[yudalicious]

you can pick up a pretty new sr20 for about $1600 , i think . at least thats what they were when i was lookin at em .
if the last time you looked at them was 5 years ago. welcome to nissan ownership, where there's as many ricers as there are in the honda circles, the only exception being we falsely think we're better because our cars are driven by the rear wheels instead of the front and we think we can drift because we do ebrake pulls in a parking lot.

[EvasiveEF9]

if the last time you looked at them was 5 years ago. welcome to nissan ownership, where there's as many ricers as there are in the honda circles, the only exception being we falsely think we're better because our cars are driven by the rear wheels instead of the front and we think we can drift because we do ebrake pulls in a parking lot.
LoL, reps to you.

If I end up getting into drift...I'll be learning weight transfer first. I've gotten my civic to "drift". Just using weight transfer. No ebrake and no rear-wheel power.

[Firefightin_tC]

Hell, I this talk about Nissan Projects makes me think about my next project in the near future.

S14 240 or ('90+) 300ZX...decisions...decisions...

[sebastianHoff]

the lies and the bullshit.

[Verik]

SR20det are the motors that came in the Silvia equivalent to our 240sx in japan. They are a DOHC 2.0 liter turbocharged engine. Came with a T25 turbo and are fairly quick in stock form.

The RB motors come in several different variations ranging from RB20det to RB26dett, obviously the latter being the motor from the covetted GTR34 skylines.

As far as which motors can go where, according to my knowledge with the know how to do it, you can stick any of them in any car. The SRs came in 3 different turbo varieties I think, redtop, from the sil eightys and S13 silvias, the blacktop in the S14 silvias, and the other blacktop in the S15 silvias. As far as I know, you shouldn't have a problem putting the motor in your USDM 240 as long as you have the JDM ECU for your year equivalent car. Someone else may chime in and say I'm retarded, but this is what I know. As far as the RB swaps, don't really know what all is involved their, never done one, but a lot of people do. I know the rb26dett is supposed to be matted to a AWD setup so if you wanted to put it into a 240, you'd need a RWD tranny from one of the other RB series motors from an R32 or 33.

RB26's were in all GTR's (r32-r34's) with a few slight differences.

All the RB series motors listed up by model of skyline

R32

GXi Type-X - 1.8 L CA18i (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_CA_engine) I4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-4), 91 hp (67 kW)
GTE Type-X - 2.0 L RB20E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 125 hp (93 kW, 172 Nm)
GTS Type-X, S, J - 2.0 L RB20DE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6) 155 hp (115 kW, 184 Nm)
GTS-25 Type-X, S, XG - 2.5 L RB25DE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 180 hp (132 kW, 231 Nm)
GTS-t Type-M - 2.0 L RB20DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) turbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 212 hp (158 kW, 263 Nm)
GTS-4 - 2.0 L RB20DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) turbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 212 hp (158 kW, 263 Nm) 4WD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4WD)
GT-R - 2.6 L RB26DETT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) twin-turbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-turbo) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 280 hp (206 kW, 368 Nm) 4WD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4WD) also NISMO, V-Spec and V-Spec II variants.
R33

HR33 GTS - 2.0 L RB20E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) SOHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOHC) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 130 PS (96 kW, 172 Nm)
ER33 GTS25 - 2.5 L RB25DE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) DOHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOHC) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 190 PS (140 kW, 231 Nm)
ENR33 GTS-4 - 2.5 L RB25DE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) DOHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOHC) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 190 PS (140 kW, 231 Nm) 4WD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4WD)
ECR33 GTS25T - 2.5 L RB25DET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) DOHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOHC) turbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 250 PS (184 kW, 294 Nm)
GT-R - 2.6 L RB26DETT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) DOHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOHC) twin-turbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 305 PS (224 kW, 375 Nm) (advertised as 280 PS) 4WD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4WD)
GT-R LM - 2.6 L RB26DETT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) DOHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOHC) twin-turbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 305 PS (224 kW) FR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR)
400R - 2.8 L RBX-GT2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) DOHC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOHC) twin-turbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 400 PS (294 kW, 478 Nm) 4WD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4WD)
R34

GT - 2.0 L RB20DE NEO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 140 hp (103 kW)
25 GT, GT-X, GT-V - 2.5 L RB25DE NEO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 193 hp (142 kW)
GT-FOUR - 2.5 L RB25DE NEO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 193 hp (142 kW) 4WD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4WD)
GT-T - 2.5 L RB25DET NEO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) turbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 280 hp (206 kW, 343 Nm)
GT-R - 2.6 L RB26DETT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) twin-turbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-turbo) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 332 PS (244 kW, 392 Nm) (advertised as 280)
GT-R V-Spec - Additional aero parts, brake ventilation ducts, diffuser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuser_%28automotive%29).
GT-R V-Spec II - As above + carbon fibre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fiber) bonnet with NACA duct (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACA_duct).
GT-R N1 - Blueprinted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_balance#Blueprinting) N1 motor, no A/C, no stereo, no rear wiper, basic interior trim. (only 45 made.)
GT-R M-Spec - Leather interior, softer suspension with "Ripple Control" dampers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_absorber), heated seats.
GT-R V-Spec II Nür - As above V-Spec II + N1 motor, 300 km/h speedo. (only 750 made.)
GT-R M-Spec Nür - As above M-Spec + N1 motor, 300 km/h speedo. (only 250 made.)
GT-R Z-tune - 2.8 L RB26DETT Z2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine) twin-turbo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-turbo) I6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I6), 500 PS (368 kW, 540 Nm) Z1 and Z2 (Nismo variant)(Only 20 Made)



As far as SR pricing... they just keep going up thanks to the "fad" that drifting is becoming (unfortunately) ><. thats why you get a KA24 and build the motor :goodjob: . Make more power for less monies ^_^

[EvasiveEF9]

the lies and the bullshit.
Then share your knowledge...

[sebastianHoff]

Then share your knowledge...
no, i think i'll ride out to blood mt instead.

[EvasiveEF9]

no, i think i'll ride out to blood mt instead.
You live up here?

[mocha latte cupcake]

blood mountain ftw.... careful up there i was up there a weekend or so ago and passed at least 5 GSP.

[PSINXS]

dont buy a 240. we have enough in our group that dont know what they are doing. keep your honda

[EvasiveEF9]

dont buy a 240. we have enough in our group that dont know what they are doing. keep your honda
You're missing the fact that I want a new project. Not to come hang at the varsity or hang in packs, or to rice out. Just something different than what I have now, and probably for teh occasionaly track use. I'm one of 60(about) counted EF's on ImportAtlanta...I don't bitch. I think it's cool because it allows another opportunity for someone to build one up and sometimes to see new ideas take place. I suggest you quit looking out for yourself, and start looking at the fact that someone else wants to share the love of the automotive industry; specific model or not. You can hardly judge what I know, and what my abilities are to learn.

Without further delay...keep negative comments to youself, please. Your post count is high enough as it is.

[sebastianHoff]

i live out near the airport. i try not to drive my nissan to school, i only drive it during the day if it needs to be moved, and i make a point of not driving it on the weekends. my sisters roommate says she can hear the car if i have to go through town to get gas or i go for an apple pie at the mc ds when im done. cops usually leave me alone (every now and then theres a new guy) mostly because im not out fuckin around when normal people are tryin to get on with their lives. i got pulled over early one morning and the guy said, "im not gonna give you this ticket cause you didnt die on that turn back there. we catch you pullin that shit in the daylite and your ass is goin to jail." as long as your not dui you can pretty well get away with anything.

[Hektik]

KA-T FTW...
this is from my very small knowledge of nissans. but i personnally beleive the KA24de is a better motor than the sr20det. for the money atleast... why
its a 2.4 liter rather than the 2.0 liter sr's
it come stock on the usdm 240. so no need to invest into a swap.
what does that mean well instead of paying 3k or more for an sr swap, which u will do easily, you can drop that same 3k into a KA motor and build it and boost it some what at least and have a very good car.....
but again thats just my own opinions...

evasive talk to snail on here hes pretty good with nissans

[AFSil80]

I recently saw a really bad ass S12, might wanna go with that and be a little different.

I <3 my S12.


As far as SR pricing... they just keep going up thanks to the "fad" that drifting is becoming (unfortunately) ><. thats why you get a KA24 and build the motor :goodjob: . Make more power for less monies ^_^

Can't forget the CA, etiher, seeing as how you can get a half cut for half the cost of a redtop SR.

[Ltdnismorace]

KA-T FTW...
this is from my very small knowledge of nissans. but i personnally beleive the KA24de is a better motor than the sr20det. for the money atleast... why
its a 2.4 liter rather than the 2.0 liter sr's
it come stock on the usdm 240. so no need to invest into a swap.
what does that mean well instead of paying 3k or more for an sr swap, which u will do easily, you can drop that same 3k into a KA motor and build it and boost it some what at least and have a very good car.....
but again thats just my own opinions...

evasive talk to snail on here hes pretty good with nissans

bad part about doing that is you'll have a lot of money into building a motor to compete with a stock SR20det, some would call it polishing a terd. I think I've seen a KA-T built making a little over 300 whp and you can get that with a few bolt ons on an SR. Just do your research and decide before hand what your goal is. You could probably build a KA-T reliably a little cheaper than swapping in a stock SR, but you won't have as much potential. It's all about what you want.