GSR TOP END - Quick Cummer????

[TheChosenOne]

I was wondering what the fuckin problem is! I have a full gsr setup with mods, and 1st threw 3rd gear, im unstopable, but 4th and 5th are fuckin weak! I think I top out at like 125! I was thinkin about gettin a fuel pressure regulator, vafc, and bigger injectors, (maybe spray), but thats only gunna help my acceleration.

What would I have to do to get better top end??? New tranny?:screwy:

[Capt._Ron]

my best advice is to get something thats not a honda. ha ha j/k man it was a rwd drive car i would say swap in a lower geared rear end can you do that with fwd(obviously it wont be in the rear)

[TheChosenOne]

I mean, my friend said to get an ls tranny, but I would loose hella quickness of the line, and thats how I beat people now. I now to get some you have to give some, but I just dont want to be slower than I am now.

I guess Im just a quarter mile car... But theres gotta b something I can do!

[speedminded]

I was wondering what the fuckin problem is! I have a full gsr setup with mods, and 1st threw 3rd gear, im unstopable, but 4th and 5th are fuckin weak! I think I top out at like 125! I was thinkin about gettin a fuel pressure regulator, vafc, and bigger injectors, (maybe spray), but thats only gunna help my acceleration.

What would I have to do to get better top end??? New tranny?:screwy:The GS-R 3rd gear tops out at 90 and 4th at 124-126 so I know you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

BUT just for shits and giggles what suspension and tires are you running to enable you to safely go over....say, 100?

[inutero93]

get a b16 tranny or itr there the shortest in gears

[speedminded]

get a b16 tranny or itr there the shortest in gearsthat would really make the car run out of gears at 125 unless there's a hidden 6th somewhere...

[carbon_crash]

Man my GSR swap pulls pretty decent through 4th. And I know one day coming home for commerce, MY speedo (on a EK DX cluster) which only registers 120, was running all the way past the little service engine box. So 120-125 top out, man you got more than tranny problems. Are you still running a stock ECU?

[speedminded]

i've run 135-140+ on a gs-r gearbox with stock 4.40 final drive so i don't know what any of you are talking about...

[sleepys4]

Jordan i know it pulls hard in 4th, i know you have more power than my old si, i only had exhaust and intake. it would run a buck 40 or so.

[Siverprobegt]

Its sound like your running to much timing..With to much timing,it will pull hard in first second and third gear,and then stop pulling in 4th an 5th.....check it with a timing light :goodjob:

[BABY J]

Let's start at square 1. What mods do you currently have in your GSR. Stock compression? Also - are you tuned?

[99SI]

you need two of the big ones

[BABY J]

you need two of the big ones

And you need it by tonight.

[TheChosenOne]

ya, dont get me wrong it pulls, but i swear to god ! the fastest I've been able to get that buggy to go is 127!

And speedminded... i do know what the fuck im talkin about. Maybe your GSR did do bla-sey-blah, but Im tellin you mine tops out at 125ish, so help me with my problem or shut up....ok....great.:goodjob:

Nowh heres my setup (and im not lying):
*Skunk2 intake manifold
*Type R cams
*Type R valve springs
*Type R pistons
*Type R throttle body
*Password JDM carbon fiber whale penis intake
*Comptech stainless steel header
*Skunk2 adjustable cma gears
*Pr3 ecu tuned with Chrome
*stage 2 ACT clutch with an extreme pressure plate
*2 1/2 custom exhaust with hollowed cat and REAL Spoon Sports Silencer Canister

As far as suspension goes, ive got 15'' slipstreams on hankooks. Lowerd with adjustable coilovers and stock struts.

SO WHATS TEH PROBLEM???

I heard that the b16 tranny will only make it worse.

[speedminded]

ya, dont get me wrong it pulls, but i swear to god ! the fastest I've been able to get that buggy to go is 127!

And speedminded... i do know what the fuck im talkin about. Maybe your GSR did do bla-sey-blah, but Im tellin you mine tops out at 125ish, so help me with my problem or shut up....ok....great.:goodjob:

Nowh heres my setup (and im not lying):
*Skunk2 intake manifold
*Type R cams
*Type R valve springs
*Type R pistons
*Type R throttle body
*Password JDM carbon fiber whale penis intake
*Comptech stainless steel header
*Skunk2 adjustable cma gears
*Pr3 ecu tuned with Chrome
*stage 2 ACT clutch with an extreme pressure plate
*2 1/2 custom exhaust with hollowed cat and REAL Spoon Sports Silencer Canister

As far as suspension goes, ive got 15'' slipstreams on hankooks. Lowerd with adjustable coilovers and stock struts.

SO WHATS TEH PROBLEM???

I heard that the b16 tranny will only make it worse.My GS-R would be a B18c5 with a GS-R tranny...w/ ST Corsa cam gears adjusted for bottom end and stock cats with high flow resonator and nothing else behind it....you don't have to tell me about not having any top end power, i have none. At what speed does your 3rd gear top out?

As for the stock shocks, they will never have the dampening or rebound for such a high rate of speed and I know they aren't matched to the springs ;)

[Z33_kid]

get a gsr tranny and get it tuned :)

[Vteckidd]

sounds like a timing issue.

check your BASE TIMING should be 16 degrees BTDC

also, are you sure VTEC is engaging

[Siverprobegt]

sounds like a timing issue.

check your BASE TIMING should be 16 degrees BTDC

also, are you sure VTEC is engaging

I though i was the only one,that think it might be timing,or like you said maybe vtec ain't engaging...

[BABY J]

DYNO tuned or STREET tuned or "some guys base map who has a setup similar to mine"? LOL.

[swolejamaica]

nah his vtec is engaging and it engages hard

[Vteckidd]

whats your oil pressure reading?

[EJ_Allmota]

something is wrong with ur shit.. Im running a GSR tranny on my LS motor and ive take my car up to 145mph.. So topping out @ 125mph is hella strange.. As Speedminded said 125mph is the top of 4th...

[speedminded]

something is wrong with ur shit.. Im running a GSR tranny on my LS motor and ive take my car up to 145mph.. So topping out @ 125mph is hella strange.. As Speedminded said 125mph is the top of 4th......unless he doesn't have 4.40 final drive? That's why i was trying to figure out where his others gears topped out.

[Da Green Man]

even Black Rs ATS built 4.9FD and full gear set doesnt top out at 125

[Goinfasterthanu]

I have raced this car .... Seen it run... If you ask me it needs to BE PUT ON A DYNO! BAD.... Should be a quick b when its tuned....

[BABY J]

^^ That's why I asked "dyno tune" or "street tune". LOL. Night and day. Esp if u run a "base map" some guy sent u w/ a "almost like mine" setup. Put a "good" basemap on the rollers (less dynapak - ha ha) and look at the graph. You will see how "good" it really is - LOL. People seem to think that N/A blocks do not need tuning.

[silversol]

I have got speeds in the 150 mph range with a gsr trans it is not the trans! get it tuned!

[TheChosenOne]

get it tuned!
Ya.... thats what its prolly gunna come down to.

Looks like ima get me a tune job!:goodjob:

I was thinkin of getting a VAFC and using that to tune with cause frankly i can afford hondata. But if my ecu is already tuned with chrome, is it necessary for me to even get a VAFC.

And, ima try and find out the exact mph my car tops out at in each gear tonight...

Thanks for the help everyone.;)

[IntegraXTR]

dude, if you already have chrome then you just need to pay for the tuning, no need for a vafc when chrome can do all that x2. And I do have to agree, you have no top end what so ever. We ran a couple weeks back, I'm the guy with the red gsr, you sold your wheels to my homeboi.

on another note, I can't see how you're topping out at 125 with a gsr tranny, lighten flywheel maybe? when I had a gsr tranny I was goin way up past that. With a b16 tranny I would understand topping out at 125 or so, sure it says S80 on the tranny?

[BABY J]

Justc all MSP and get Scotty to drive the session.

[IntegraXTR]

^^^ $135 an hour or something like that.

[speedminded]

dude, if you already have chrome then you just need to pay for the tuning, no need for a vafc when chrome can do all that x2. And I do have to agree, you have no top end what so ever. We ran a couple weeks back, I'm the guy with the red gsr, you sold your wheels to my homeboi.

on another note, I can't see how you're topping out at 125 with a gsr tranny, lighten flywheel maybe? when I had a gsr tranny I was goin way up past that. With a b16 tranny I would understand topping out at 125 or so, sure it says S80 on the tranny?i think it's a b16 tranny...i have an 8.5lb flywheel and cams adjusted for bottom end yet still can go way past that. I wish i did top out at 125 though :D

[Turbodude06]

Somethings wrong cause in my Gsr I did 130 mph in 4th gear just about to hit the rev limiter, I don't like high speeds so I let off of it and it didn't take me no time at all, with just intake and a header, so in a hatch that should be no problem at all to get up to that speed.....

[speedminded]

Somethings wrong cause in my Gsr I did 130 mph in 4th gear just about to hit the rev limiter, I don't like high speeds so I let off of it and it didn't take me no time at all, with just intake and a header, so in a hatch that should be no problem at all to get up to that speed.....have to have some serious wind pushing you or much smaller tires to get 130 in 4th...

[LS2ner]

have to have some serious wind pushing you or much smaller tires to get 130 in 4th...


I was thinkin the same thing. With my LS tranny i usually hit about 120ish at 6.5k rpms to 7k rpms. On a GSR tranny i dont see it happening.

[TheChosenOne]

ya... last night I was racing a b16 hatch with an ls tranny, and I pulled him by like 3 cars, and I rode out 4th gear to like 118, right befor 120. As god as my witness, as soon as I shifted to 5th he pulled my ass right back.

In 5th gear, when my revs were at like 6,000, they started to fall ever so slightly. I did not go any faster that 127. :screwy:

I mean, if we were running a quarter mile, then I would have already won, but now that everyone knows my gsr has NO 5th gear, they wont stop until they pass me!

[Vteckidd]

ya... last night I was racing a b16 hatch with an ls tranny, and I pulled him by like 3 cars, and I rode out 4th gear to like 118, right befor 120. As god as my witness, as soon as I shifted to 5th he pulled my ass right back.

In 5th gear, when my revs were at like 6,000, they started to fall ever so slightly. I did not go any faster that 127. :screwy:

I mean, if we were running a quarter mile, then I would have already won, but now that everyone knows my gsr has NO 5th gear, they wont stop until they pass me!
Ok that sounds about right then. See thats not what you were saying in your first post. heres some advice:

1) WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU RACING INTO 5th GEAR :???:

2) If you do race an go into 5th, 99% of the time in a stock HONDA motor, you will slow down because A) you dont have the aerodynamics to go 150+mph B) you dont have the power C) you dont have the GEARING

3) GEARING is what is the determining factor, if you make MORE power, youll still run the same MAX MPH, youll just get there faster.

94-01 GSR Transmission (S80)


15' 195-50-15 Tires

14' 185-60-14 Tires

Tire Diameter = 22.7 Inches

4.4 Final Drive
Gear Shift RPM Speed @ 8000 RPM (mph)
1st N/A 38.0
2nd 4706 64.6
3rd 5726 90.3
4th 6082 118.7
5th 6089 156.0
RPM in top gear at 70mph: 3589

94-01 LS Transmission


15' 205-50-15 Tires

14' 195-60-14 Tires

13' 185-70-13 Tires

Tire Diameter = 23.1 Inches

4.266 Final Drive
Gear Shift RPM Speed @ 8000 RPM (mph)
1st N/A 39.9
2nd 4706 67.8
3rd 5343 101.6
4th 6090 133.4
5th 5913 180.5
RPM in top gear at 70mph: 3103


The guy saying he ran 130mph in 4th gear, you must have had an LS tranny an 5 miles of open road

[Sol-Badguy]

^Owned.

[BABY J]

Not really OWNED - just educated, that's all.

[Z33_kid]

well said mr kidd jus get it tuned thats the best you can do take it to mainstream

[scttydb411]

crome and no vafc.

just do all your runs to 115mph.

[TheChosenOne]

Thanks Mr.KiDD...

So i'll never reach redline in 5th...:screwy:

Well, fuck it. Im happy with what I got then. I'll just get a tune and call it a day.

[BABY J]

Correction: Get a tune, get some SPRAY and call it a day.

[Goinfasterthanu]

Correction: Get some spray, get a tune and call it a day.


fixed it for ya....

[TheChosenOne]

fixed it for ya....

I had a feeling you would suggest spray...:ninja:

Maybe i'll be able to hang with you on a 75 shot. i'll prolly on get a 50 though.

[Goinfasterthanu]

I had a feeling you would suggest spray...:ninja:

Maybe i'll be able to hang with you on a 75 shot. i'll prolly on get a 50 though.
Yea if im not spraying....It took a 75 shot tuned to get a 169whp b16 to keepup in a hatch ... me running n/a and b16 spraying

Good luck keep us posted on the numbers!

[speedminded]

I had a feeling you would suggest spray...:ninja:

Maybe i'll be able to hang with you on a 75 shot. i'll prolly on get a 50 though.you could have a 250 shot but it still won't make it any faster if you're running out of gear or into aerodynamic issues. I know your cars not made for those speeds with that suspension anyways...mine starts to feel lofty over 4th gear with 560lb springs in the front even with the splitter creating a little downforce.

[BABY J]

I can careless about fast - QUICK is where it's at (N/A). If I shut 'em down by the top of third then no need to take it any further - they get the point. No matter how fast your car can go, the speed limit is till posted on a stick beside the road. How fast you arrive at that speed though is not. :)

[dorin48]

My old Eg did ~137mph, b16 light build, 159 whp, jdm itr tranny.

[KevinT707]

My old Eg did ~137mph, b16 light build, 159 whp, jdm itr tranny.
159 WHP on a DynaPack doesn't count :D

[§treet_§peed]

Ok that sounds about right then. See thats not what you were saying in your first post. heres some advice:

1) WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU RACING INTO 5th GEAR :???:

2) If you do race an go into 5th, 99% of the time in a stock HONDA motor, you will slow down because A) you dont have the aerodynamics to go 150+mph B) you dont have the power C) you dont have the GEARING

3) GEARING is what is the determining factor, if you make MORE power, youll still run the same MAX MPH, youll just get there faster.

94-01 GSR Transmission (S80)


15' 195-50-15 Tires

14' 185-60-14 Tires

Tire Diameter = 22.7 Inches

4.4 Final Drive
Gear Shift RPM Speed @ 8000 RPM (mph)
1st N/A 38.0
2nd 4706 64.6
3rd 5726 90.3
4th 6082 118.7
5th 6089 156.0
RPM in top gear at 70mph: 3589

94-01 LS Transmission


15' 205-50-15 Tires

14' 195-60-14 Tires

13' 185-70-13 Tires

Tire Diameter = 23.1 Inches

4.266 Final Drive
Gear Shift RPM Speed @ 8000 RPM (mph)
1st N/A 39.9
2nd 4706 67.8
3rd 5343 101.6
4th 6090 133.4
5th 5913 180.5
RPM in top gear at 70mph: 3103


The guy saying he ran 130mph in 4th gear, you must have had an LS tranny an 5 miles of open road BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHH after i read that i could not stop laughin my ass of!!! PWNED!!!!!

[§treet_§peed]

I can careless about fast - QUICK is where it's at (N/A). If I shut 'em down by the top of third then no need to take it any further - they get the point. No matter how fast your car can go, the speed limit is till posted on a stick beside the road. How fast you arrive at that speed though is not. :)so true...:D:lmfao: :lmfao:

[TheChosenOne]

Yea if im not spraying....It took a 75 shot tuned to get a 169whp b16 to keepup in a hatch ... me running n/a and b16 spraying

Good luck keep us posted on the numbers!

:cry:.........true.