The Big Bang Theory

[Maniaç]

The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions.



In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.

The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery.

Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions.


Updated December 2, 1997

Who here believes in this theory? I personally believe in it and the theory of evolution.... how many people disbelieve it and how many people do believe in it?

[HvyArms]

I believe that God created the Universe out of nothing. Im sure there was some initial "Bang" involved.

[Ran]

God said bang and the explosion spanned over 7 days. :D

[R3RUN]

You can believe in both. The Big Bang theory is just an explanation of how everything began and why most galaxies and such are moving away from us. The theory of evolution is for how lifeforms change once life began on Earth. So yea I agree with both theories.

[Lucky DAWG]

I believe that God created the Universe out of nothing. Im sure there was some initial "Bang" involved.

that sounds like an oxymoron lol

i think it was made by god

[Lucky DAWG]

You can believe in both. The Big Bang theory is just an explanation of how everything began and why most galaxies and such are moving away from us. The theory of evolution is for how lifeforms change once life began on Earth. So yea I agree with both theories.

evolution has its flaws as well

some scientists at a convention had like a whole month of trying to figure out what the pharynx in your throat evolved from. they could not find a simpler form of it and therefore it has never evolved.

it was supposed to be some big thing about how evolution didn't work, i didn't really understand it all that well :rolleyes:

[Maniaç]

i don't really believe in a god.... we as humans believe in alot of diffrent things..
but we are not alone... what would other life forms believe in.?

I don't think we were created by god... i believe in evolution

[R3RUN]

Its called random mutation that resulted in a dominant trait. Im not saying it doesn't have its flaws, because it most certainly does. BTW I am in no way religious.

[Lucky DAWG]

Its called random mutation that resulted in a dominant trait. Im not saying it doesn't have its flaws, because it most certainly does. BTW I am in no way religious.

i'm not that religious either

but i think to believe that we are simply here on our own and are only purpose is to advance technology and biogenetically enhance the next generaion is nothing but depressing.

you have to believe in something bigger then yourself to keep a positive attitude on a day to day basis

[4dmin]

The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions.



In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.

The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery.

Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions.


Updated December 2, 1997

Who here believes in this theory? I personally believe in it and the theory of evolution.... how many people disbelieve it and how many people do believe in it?

well if you can believe in a imginary force creating you, pregnated virgins, walking on water, bodies disappearing, etc ... i don't think this is that far off.

[Lucky DAWG]

well if you can believe in a imginary force creating you, pregnated virgins, walking on water, bodies disappearing, etc ... i don't think this is that far off.

:thinking::thinking::thinking:

the book is open to interpretation imo
if you believe that word for word then you are in fact a moron because the book was written by human beings so naturally it will be flawed.

the stories are written to give you morals and a way to live your life and be a good person.

its just like children's books teaching kids good values.
if you believe that there are talking trains and big red dogs running around outside then you might need to be smacked :goodjob:

[Maniaç]

well if you can believe in a imginary force creating you, pregnated virgins, walking on water, bodies disappearing, etc ... i don't think this is that far off.

oh yeah..... well what do you think about this subject?
im really into science.. and grew up reading about this and paying alot of attention on this subject at school

[R3RUN]

i'm not that religious either

but i think to believe that we are simply here on our own and are only purpose is to advance technology and biogenetically enhance the next generaion is nothing but depressing.

you have to believe in something bigger then yourself to keep a positive attitude on a day to day basis
I think most of the new technologies are pretty cool actually. I believe in the Man. As in the one thats tryin to hold us down.

[4dmin]

:thinking::thinking::thinking:

the book is open to interpretation imo
if you believe that word for word then you are in fact a moron because the book was written by human beings so naturally it will be flawed.

the stories are written to give you morals and a way to live your life and be a good person.

its just like children's books teaching kids good values.
if you believe that there are talking trains and big red dogs running around outside then you might need to be smacked :goodjob:

if you believe in the bible then you believe it is the word of god written by man. how you believe it should be interpeted is up to you but disputing that fact kinda contradicts believing it; IMO. it is all or none you must believe it word for word or you do not have faith in it.

[R3RUN]

if you believe that there are talking trains and big red dogs running around outside then you might need to be smacked :goodjob:
Have you not seen them? That sucks. I talk to my red dog all the time with my boy Thomas the train engine. Its baller as hell.

[Spectic Tank]

well if you can believe in a imginary force creating you, pregnated virgins, walking on water, bodies disappearing, etc ... i don't think this is that far off.

+1 I was about to type the same thing

[Maniaç]

Paul i see where you're coming from but.... i just don't believe in the bible

[Crazy Asian]

I dont belive in the big bang theory at all. First and formost. Where do we get our soul from? What does that bang created a soul for a human being and other animal? Too me it's just a bullshit theory.

[4dmin]

oh yeah..... well what do you think about this subject?
im really into science.. and grew up reading about this and paying alot of attention on this subject at school

i don't think anything can be proven/disproven when it is based on theory instead of facts. i know what my senses can tell me anything out of that scheme requires faith. if you can think of it then it is possible. :goodjob:

[civic95]

The earth was really just a piece of dust that was washed off of god by a droplet of sweat. Thats why the oceans contain salt.

[Spectic Tank]

I dont belive in the big bang theory at all. First and formost. Where do we get our soul from? What does that bang created a soul for a human being and other animal? Too me it's just a bullshit theory.

Your soul is not something that is materialistic, its in your mind...have u ever seen someone's soul?

[Maniaç]

I dont belive in the big bang theory at all. First and formost. Where do we get our soul from? What does that bang created a soul for a human being and other animal? Too me it's just a bullshit theory.

are you serious? so god created EVERYTHING! Space/Planets/ect.

i don't think so...... Earth is NOT the only planet with life on it. God didn't just one day say.. im gonna create life.... and boom it happened....

Earth as existed for over 4 billon years.... Jesus Christ isn't even that old

[Kelly]

God said bang and the explosion spanned over 7 days. :D

:stupid:

Make a poll, that'd be interesting to see...

[Maniaç]

i don't think anything can be proven/disproven when it is based on theory instead of facts. i know what my senses can tell me anything out of that scheme requires faith. if you can think of it then it is possible. :goodjob:

good point...... not bad... this thread is alot better than shit talking ones.
+1

[ISAtlanta300]

The universe is not currently expanding.. it is imploding... :)

[Maniaç]

And have yall every thought about black holes? How was all this created.... God! I highly dought it.. Space is to complex for anyone to understand

[Crazy Asian]

The soul is not materialistic but how do you explain entites roaming on the earth as even by QD he acknowledges that are entities roaming around the earth? If we have feelings and emotions where does the come from then? Where?There is no body part that says I hate you or I'm happy. It's random so must come from somewhere like a soul.
If you READ the first part of the bible it will explain EVERYTHING !!!! GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!!!! He expanded !!!!

[Maniaç]

Jesus Christ son of God....
The bible... its all just a bunch of texts that no body as every proven... no hard evidence that he existed... no proof that all the stuff that is said in the bible happened.

Angles.... Devils.... its all just things the one as a person chooses to believe in.
Being brought back to life cause of God... no... its the willing to survive the brings people back to life.

the after life... heaven/ hell... so many things that have never been proven.. ive seen programs on tv that people see the after life, some see heaven and some see hell. but nothing

Now when it comes to Alliens to something that is extratrutrial(SP???) the goverment always checks the situation and does something about it.

We might never find all the answers but thats the fun part about it

[Spectic Tank]

The soul is not materialistic but how do you explain entites roaming on the earth as even by QD he acknowledges that are entities roaming around the earth? If we have feelings and emotions where does the come from then? Where?There is no body part that says I hate you or I'm happy. It's random so must come from somewhere like a soul.
If you READ the first part of the bible it will explain EVERYTHING !!!! GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!!!! He expanded !!!!

Well if QD said that there's entities roaming around then it must be true!!!

And the reason we have feelings and emotions is because we have developed a conscience(sp?) we are civilized and domesticated over many years. Hating someone or liking someone is not random it has to do with what we have been taught, and what has been passed down to us.

P.S. The first part of the bible has no metion of dinosaurs...i would really like to know where they fit in in the theory of creationism....so it doesnt explain EVERYTHING.

[Maniaç]

Well if QD said that there's entities roaming around then it must be true!!!

And the reason we have feelings and emotions is because we have developed a conscience(sp?) we are civilized and domesticated over many years. Hating someone or liking someone is not random it has to do with what we have been taught, and what has been passed down to us.

P.S. The first part of the bible has no metion of dinosaurs...i would really like to know where they fit in in the theory of creationism....so it doesnt explain EVERYTHING.

+1

[R3RUN]

The universe is not currently expanding.. it is imploding... :)
Not yet. It is expected to implode eventually but for now its expanding.



Oh and Im definately with alex on earth not being the only life containing planet. That is just a selfish thought.

[R3RUN]

P.S. The first part of the bible has no metion of dinosaurs...i would really like to know where they fit in in the theory of creationism....so it doesnt explain EVERYTHING.
Dont you remember? Earth is only 6k years old. LOL :lmfao:

[Ran]

Jesus Christ son of God....
The bible... its all just a bunch of texts that no body as every proven... no hard evidence that he existed... no proof that all the stuff that is said in the bible happened.Actually, there's plenty of proof that Jesus, son of David actually existed. Now, whether or not you believe in his miracles or the point that he was the son of God is completely up to you. :goodjob:


We might never find all the answers but thats the fun part about itThe same could be said for religious beliefs. :yes:

[Spectic Tank]

Not yet. It is expected to implode eventually but for now its expanding.



Oh and Im definately with alex on earth not being the only life containing planet. That is just a selfish thought.

Agreed:goodjob:

[Spectic Tank]

Dont you remember? Earth is only 6k years old. LOL :lmfao:

ur right damnit!!! I guess dinosaurs have been just one big joke that our school teachers played on us....BASTARDS!!!

[Maniaç]

Actually, there's plenty of proof that Jesus, son of David actually existed. Now, whether or not you believe in his miracles or the point that he was the son of God is completely up to you. :goodjob:

The same could be said for religious beliefs. :yes:

you have a very good point..... but..... what kind of evidence? Storys that were passed on threw the generations? that doesn't proof anything
Miracles.... any proof of them... no we haven't found any hard evidence that all the stuff that is said in the bible happened. NOW im not saying that somethings didn't happen but the ones that have to do with GOD didn't

He didn't create the Earth and he didn't create the Human race.

[R3RUN]

you have a very good point..... but..... what kind of evidence? Storys that were passed on threw the generations? that doesn't proof anything
Miracles.... any proof of them... no we haven't found any hard evidence that all the stuff that is said in the bible happened. NOW im not saying that somethings didn't happen but the ones that have to do with GOD didn't

He didn't create the Earth and he didn't create the Human race.
They have some physcial evidence and documentation but its very sketchy. I have no doubt that Jesus was a real guy, I just think that there is a lot of incorrect things written about him.

[ARH1192]

I dont belive in god.. its just a book for morals.. and there is too many religions in the world for only 1 to be right... its all wack..

[Maniaç]

http://www.doesgodexist.org/

Questions if yall are interested.... im not gonna waste my time

[Crazy Asian]

So what do you mean by conscience? What that we judge from right and wrong? Then tell me this: where did we learn this from and where did we inherit the ability to learn that?

True and also where the dinosaur fits is before the flooding of the earth. Duh...the ice age. Kind of similar. Though that's a really hard topic to discuss since the bibles was mainly made by the 12 disciples....and god told them the important stuff not how dinosaur was born and when.

[Maniaç]

They have some physcial evidence and documentation but its very sketchy. I have no doubt that Jesus was a real guy, I just think that there is a lot of incorrect things written about him.

yes ive heard of those.... of jesus christ.... but only time will tell if he did or didn't exist

[R3RUN]

So what do you mean by conscience? What that we judge from right and wrong? Then tell me this: where did we learn this from and where did we inherit the ability to learn that?

True and also where the dinosaur fits is before the flooding of the earth. Duh...the ice age. Kind of similar. Though that's a really hard topic to discuss since the bibles was mainly made by the 12 disciples....and god told them the important stuff not how dinosaur was born and when.
I think a 300 foot lizard is a pretty important thing to talk about when you talk about history. Kind of hard to overlook.

[Crazy Asian]

And also if you read more indepth into the bible there was tower called the babel. Where human kind tried to build a tower to reach the heaven but god tore it down and made each human speak different language and after that happened they couldnt understand what they were saying so they seperated.

[Maniaç]

So what do you mean by conscience? What that we judge from right and wrong? Then tell me this: where did we learn this from and where did we inherit the ability to learn that?

True and also where the dinosaur fits is before the flooding of the earth. Duh...the ice age. Kind of similar. Though that's a really hard topic to discuss since the bibles was mainly made by the 12 disciples....and god told them the important stuff not how dinosaur was born and when.

Animals have it too.. and they have been around for a long time.
its just they way one thinks... being close to death having a baby they all bring feelings that are just there.... having feelings has nothing to do with the soul

the brain is what controls all that

[Crazy Asian]

In addition to mentioning these giant reptiles in general nearly thirty times throughout the Old Testament, the Bible describes a couple of creatures in such a way that some scholars believe the writers may have been describing dinosaurs. Behemoth is said to be the mightiest of all God’s creatures, a giant whose tail is likened to a cedar tree (Job 40:15ff). Some scholars have tried to identify Behemoth as either an elephant or a hippopotamus. Others point out that elephants and hippopotamuses have very thin tails, nothing comparable to a cedar tree. Dinosaurs like the Brachiosaurus and the Diplodocus on the other had huge tails which one could easily compare to a cedar tree.

look into that. That seems odd but true.

[Crazy Asian]

Okay so conscience is from the brain your saying? that makes no sense. BRain control human function what to do what not. So brain constitues what's right wrong. I think that would fit in perfectly from memory seeing if you doing some wrong your not supposed to that. Like a baby he learns from his mistake. Not from his conscience

[Maniaç]

And also if you read more indepth into the bible there was tower called the babel. Where human kind tried to build a tower to reach the heaven but god tore it down and made each human speak different language and after that happened they couldnt understand what they were saying so they seperated.

:lmfao: and you believe that!?!?!?! come on man... back than humans didn't have the technology to do that... not even come close

so he gave them all diffrent color skins and diffrent type of eyes ect. thats just stupid

[Spectic Tank]

Animals have it too.. and they have been around for a long time.
its just they way one thinks... being close to death having a baby they all bring feelings that are just there.... having feelings has nothing to do with the soul

the brain is what controls all that

nuff' said

[Crazy Asian]

The Bible does not explicitly give us the origin of the different "races" or skin colors of humanity. In actuality, there is only one race - the human race. Within the human race is a great amount of diversity in skin color and other physical characteristics. Some speculate that when God confused the languages at the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1-9), He also instituted racial diversity. It is possible that God made genetic changes to humanity to better enable people to survive in different ecologies, such as Africans being better "equipped" genetically to survive the excessive heat in Africa. According to this view, God confused the languages, causing humanity to segregate linguistically, and then created genetic racial differences based on where each racial group would eventually settle, geographically. While possible, there is no explicit Biblical basis for this view. The races / skin color of humanity are nowhere mentioned in connection with the Tower of Babel.



After the flood, when the different languages came into existence, groups that spoke one language moved away with others of the same language. In doing so, the gene pool for a specific group shrunk dramatically as they no longer had the entire human population to mix with. Closer inbreeding took place, and in time certain features were emphasized in these different groups (ALL of which were present as a possibility in the gene code). As further inbreeding occurred through the generations, the gene pool got smaller and smaller, to the point that people of one language family all had the same or similar features, and it would be a rarity when a different feature arose.

Also it didnt take a genius to build a fire. So how hard could building a tower be. Since they created houses and what not and stone walls.

[Spectic Tank]

And also if you read more indepth into the bible there was tower called the babel. Where human kind tried to build a tower to reach the heaven but god tore it down and made each human speak different language and after that happened they couldnt understand what they were saying so they seperated.

Have you ever heard of the Rosetta Stone? that's where language comes from not some dud knocking down a tower...I can't tell if you are discussing facts or something out of a damn comic book.

[man]

it is all or none you must believe it word for word or you do not have faith in it.

Only if you're Catholic... :lmfao:

I am a Christian and I've never been told to take the Bible word for word.

That said I do believe in evolution to an extent. On the topic of the creation of the universe, can't say that I believe the Big Bang BS or the 7 days thing, though I do believe that the 7 days is not to be taken literally and how long is a day to the big man anyways?

[Ran]

you have a very good point..... but..... what kind of evidence? Storys that were passed on threw the generations? that doesn't proof anythingRoman registration records have him recorded if you look it up. Truth be told, that's about as concrete as it gets. So he was a man. No biggie. Again, the questions then arise on how far does a person carry their beliefs?

[Spectic Tank]

The Bible does not explicitly give us the origin of the different "races" or skin colors of humanity. In actuality, there is only one race - the human race. Within the human race is a great amount of diversity in skin color and other physical characteristics. Some speculate that when God confused the languages at the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1-9), He also instituted racial diversity. It is possible that God made genetic changes to humanity to better enable people to survive in different ecologies, such as Africans being better "equipped" genetically to survive the excessive heat in Africa. According to this view, God confused the languages, causing humanity to segregate linguistically, and then created genetic racial differences based on where each racial group would eventually settle, geographically. While possible, there is no explicit Biblical basis for this view. The races / skin color of humanity are nowhere mentioned in connection with the Tower of Babel.



After the flood, when the different languages came into existence, groups that spoke one language moved away with others of the same language. In doing so, the gene pool for a specific group shrunk dramatically as they no longer had the entire human population to mix with. Closer inbreeding took place, and in time certain features were emphasized in these different groups (ALL of which were present as a possibility in the gene code). As further inbreeding occurred through the generations, the gene pool got smaller and smaller, to the point that people of one language family all had the same or similar features, and it would be a rarity when a different feature arose.

Also it didnt take a genius to build a fire. So how hard could building a tower be. Since they created houses and what not and stone walls.

wtf? they were not genetically designed to withstand heat...they're pigment darkened becasue of the intense heat in africa...that's why they're are darker skinned people in warmer climates and lighter skinned folks in the cooler climates.

[man]

Have you ever heard of the Rosetta Stone? that's where language comes from

LOLOLOL, not even close. It was created in 196 BC, you're trying to tell me there was only 1 language before that??? Someone needs to learn some history.


wtf? they were not genetically designed to withstand heat...they're pigment darkened becasue of the intense heat in africa...that's why they're are darker skinned people in warmer climates and lighter skinned folks in the cooler climates.

:lmfao: guess what determines skin pigments... yup you guessed it, GENETICS!

[Maniaç]

Roman registration records have him recorded if you look it up. Truth be told, that's about as concrete as it gets. So he was a man. No biggie. Again, the questions then arise on how far does a person carry their beliefs?

W0rd.! Interesting....... ive heard of finding remains or something like that.
yes... but it is up to the person on how far one wants to take it

[Ran]

wtf? they were not genetically designed to withstand heat...they're pigment darkened becasue of the intense heat in africa...that's why they're are darker skinned people in warmer climates and lighter skinned folks in the cooler climates.So why are Asian people yerrow? :( :???:

[Crazy Asian]

HAve you heard about reading it more? Adaptation where any animal iand humans in a diff enviroment will start to adapt to the enviorment. Say for example the Ande's: there genes took time to start changing to adept the harsh climate and the extreme alitutde. There dark skiinned and have bigger lungs then most humans. And specvee I jkust proved you wrong right there. Andes is a damn cold place and their dark skinned. Ive seen in africa where there light skin. And there not pigemented. Its called Melanin

[Spectic Tank]

LOLOLOL, not even close. It was created in 196 BC, you're trying to tell me there was only 1 language before that??? Someone needs to learn some history.



:lmfao: guess what determines skin pigments... yup you guessed it, GENETICS!

I never said there was one laguage before that. Are you gonna tell me that god made man speak different languages for seperation purposes? Honestly how can u back that claim up when there was only "proof" of one language before 196 B.C.

Your right genetics do determine skin color, where do u inheret your genetics from...your ancestors, so im not really sure wht ur point is?

[Spectic Tank]

HAve you heard about reading it more? Adaptation where any animal iand humans in a diff enviroment will start to adapt to the enviorment. Say for example the Ande's: there genes took time to start changing to adept the harsh climate and the extreme alitutde. There dark skiinned and have bigger lungs then most humans. And specvee I jkust proved you wrong right there. Andes is a damn cold place and their dark skinned. Ive seen in africa where there light skin. And there not pigemented. Its called Melanin

Adaption is part of evolution so decide which side of the argument you are on before u go proving me wrong. I should correct myself...the exposure to sunlight will change pigment, not neccesarily heat. Melanin is a disorder of the pigment guy, so obviously that is a rare case

[Spectic Tank]

So why are Asian people yerrow? :( :???:

because god hates u...im sorry

[Crazy Asian]

no melanin is pigement go reasearch it. And melanin cancer is the disorder.

In humans, melanin is found in skin, hair, the pigmented epithelium underlying the iris, the medulla and zona reticularis of the adrenal gland, the stria vascularis of the inner ear, and in pigment bearing neurons of certain deep brain nuclei such as the locus ceruleus and the substantia nigra. Melanin is the primary determinant of human skin color.

[Crazy Asian]

DUH!!! And to make another state wrong. God chose whats good and whats wrong for human beings. The only reason why I stated adpatation since you dont believe in God I just made it more logically in your thinking. All I know is God put each human on Earth with different traits. I dont believe in evolution because of the fact that they cant prove where the other gene came from to make it a human being. Neither does a monkey love eating his own poo.

[ARH1192]

god is for weak ppl who cant live life w/ out someone to depend on. god is a crutch

[man]

god is for weak ppl who cant live life w/ out someone to depend on. god is a crutch

:lmfao: No, sorry homie. I've never had to ask god to help me out with anything. I believe on making my way through life on my own.

Saying God is for weak people is like saying marriage is for weak people.

[Crazy Asian]

So how am I weak then?

[Spectic Tank]

no melanin is pigement go reasearch it. And melanin cancer is the disorder.

In humans, melanin is found in skin, hair, the pigmented epithelium underlying the iris, the medulla and zona reticularis of the adrenal gland, the stria vascularis of the inner ear, and in pigment bearing neurons of certain deep brain nuclei such as the locus ceruleus and the substantia nigra. Melanin is the primary determinant of human skin color.

way to quote wikipedia...but i guess you forgot to keep reading the article. They say that different types of melanin is found in different races, and the amount of melanin in your skin determines the color of your skin. It also says that melanin is thought to protect the body from uv light, so if a race of people are ore exposed to the sun then their skin can contain more melanin to protect the skin, and this is passed down genetically.

[Crazy Asian]

BUT YOUR SAYING MELANIN IS A DISORDER!!!??? HOW IS THAT A DISORDER!!!!

[Spectic Tank]

DUH!!! And to make another state wrong. God chose whats good and whats wrong for human beings. The only reason why I stated adpatation since you dont believe in God I just made it more logically in your thinking. All I know is God put each human on Earth with different traits. I dont believe in evolution because of the fact that they cant prove where the other gene came from to make it a human being. Neither does a monkey love eating his own poo.

Uhh, If u believe in the bible then God did chose what's right and wrong for you. Me personally...i make that decision for myself...

[Spectic Tank]

BUT YOUR SAYING MELANIN IS A DISORDER!!!??? HOW IS THAT A DISORDER!!!!

I stand corrected...when I aoriginallly made that statement I thought that you were refering to Albinism(that's the disorder)...My bad.

But, I still dont see where any of your info supports the fact that god created africans to withstand heat.

[4dmin]

Only if you're Catholic... :lmfao:

I am a Christian and I've never been told to take the Bible word for word.

That said I do believe in evolution to an extent. On the topic of the creation of the universe, can't say that I believe the Big Bang BS or the 7 days thing, though I do believe that the 7 days is not to be taken literally and how long is a day to the big man anyways?

um i'm just wondering how you can be christian but say you don't believe the bible word for word? isn't basically saying i'm christian but i believe what i want to believe, so in essence your not christian. :goodjob:

[Spectic Tank]

DUH!!! And to make another state wrong. God chose whats good and whats wrong for human beings. The only reason why I stated adpatation since you dont believe in God I just made it more logically in your thinking. All I know is God put each human on Earth with different traits. I dont believe in evolution because of the fact that they cant prove where the other gene came from to make it a human being. Neither does a monkey love eating his own poo.

They can't prove half the crap in the Bible, but that doesn't seem to affect your beliefs...

[Crazy Asian]

Uh there's ton of actual findings in archeloigcal shit. Where have we found genes. LOL

Let me see the Dead Scrolls ARE actual text of the bible.

[man]

um i'm just wondering how you can be christian but say you don't believe the bible word for word? isn't basically saying i'm christian but i believe what i want to believe, so in essence your not christian. :goodjob:

Not true. The Bible is not a book of laws, it is kind of like a guidebook or a book of proverbs. This is why everyone's view of Christianity is skewed. As far as I know, only the Catholics are crazy enough to take the Bible word for word. They are the extremists and I think their higher-ups do things to give all Christians a bad name because most people don't know how different each denomination's beliefs really are.

[Jecht]

Maniac, you opened a BIG debate this time!

[Crazy Asian]

And also your gene question. As I told you GOD has diff trait for diff ppl. Not because africans are darker then can withstand heat. God made them withstand that heat. Say for example if I place you in a middle of a desert. You would burn right. Right because your epidermis and your dermisis is taking too much damage from the suns ray. God didnt create you to stand that much heat did he? I wonder what he made you for.

[Crazy Asian]

Catholics are crazy. There not really focused on God as my friend said there more on the pope and hiearchy of the church

[Spectic Tank]

And also your gene question. As I told you GOD has diff trait for diff ppl. Not because africans are darker then can withstand heat. Its their skin. Not melanin. God made them withstand that heat. Say for example if I place you in a middle of a desert. You would burn right. Right because your epidermis and your dermisis is taking too much damage from the suns ray. God didnt create you to stand that much heat did he? I wonder what he made you for.

my skin would burn because of the lack of melinin in my skin which is what prtocts the body from UV rays.

P.S. He didn't make me....i was an "accident" at least that's what my parents told me:(

[Spectic Tank]

Uh there's ton of actual findings in archeloigcal shit. Where have we found genes. LOL

Let me see the Dead Scrolls ARE actual text of the bible.

Ok, they found some archealogical shit and some scrolls...:???: All that does is prove parts of the bible...there's a lot more to it than that. Like whether or not jesus was god's son...isn't that a pretty important part of the bible that ISN't proven???

[Crazy Asian]

Exactly...god didnt make you to survive extreme. Nor am I. I went to Cambodia once for a mission. I looked Mexican after that.

[man]

isn't that a pretty important part of the bible that ISN't proven???

Kind of like the theory of evolution where life started from nothing? Or is that just a minor detail that we don't need to worry about?

[Spectic Tank]

Exactly...god didnt make you to survive extreme. Nor am I. I went to Cambodia once for a mission. I looked Mexican after that.

It's not the fact that god didn't "make" me like that, it has to do with the fact that my genes are not adapted to that environment.

[PhAtBoYMr2]

Some of you need Jesus :eek:

[man]

Some of you need Jesus :eek:
:lmfao:

[Crazy Asian]

True...but most of the Bibles facts are true since the Hill were Jesus die well they know where that is. The Garden where he was found... well that's a give they know where that is. Though who the hell would draw Jesus's picture when there in awe of someone preaching.

[Spectic Tank]

Kind of like the theory of evolution where life started from nothing? Or is that just a minor detail that we don't need to worry about?

I do worry about that...but you can say the same thing for creationism. Where did god come from...did he just magically appear and start makin people and plants and shit?

[Crazy Asian]

Wrong. See Im asian. Im 6'4 How is that adapting?

[Lucky DAWG]

are you serious? so god created EVERYTHING! Space/Planets/ect.

i don't think so...... Earth is NOT the only planet with life on it. God didn't just one day say.. im gonna create life.... and boom it happened....

Earth as existed for over 4 billon years.... Jesus Christ isn't even that old


that is the most moronic thing i have ever heard.

when you find life on another planet come back and argue this
but until you base your arguments off of theories then you can not possibly go and attack someone else's beliefs for believing in God.

is this a topic about the big bang theory or a athiest's thought process

[Spectic Tank]

True...but most of the Bibles facts are true since the Hill were Jesus die well they know where that is. The Garden where he was found... well that's a give they know where that is. Though who the hell would draw Jesus's picture when there in awe of someone preaching.

I'm not debating the fact that jesus wasn't real, which is the only thing that info u just stated proves. I have trouble believing that he is god's son and he died for humanity's sins. Nothing proves that.

[Crazy Asian]

However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists, “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. "Then Jesus told him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed'” (John 20:29).



That does not mean, however, that there is not evidence of God’s existence. The Bible declares, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset – all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” There is something deep down in our beings that recognizes that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and through us is still there. Despite all of this, the Bible warns us that some will still deny God’s existence, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1). Since over 98% of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God – there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.



In addition to the Biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument basically uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “that than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist then God would not be the greatest conceivable being - but that would contradict God's very definition. A second is the teleological argument. The teleological argument is that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a Divine designer. For example, if earth were even a few hundred miles closer or further away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 0’s). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.



A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God. A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?



Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and instead believe a lie. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God, “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).



People claim to not believe in God because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once people admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable for our actions to Him. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. I believe that is why evolution is so strongly clung to by many in our society - to give people an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.



Allow me one last argument for God’s existence. How do I know God exists? I know God exists because I speak to Him every day. I do not audibly hear Him speaking back to me, but I sense His presence, I feel His leading, I know His love, I desire His grace. Things have occurred in my life that have no other possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved me and changed my life that I cannot help but to acknowledge and praise His existence. None of these arguments in and of themselves can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is so plainly clear. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark, it is safe step into a well-lit room where 90% of people are already standing.

[Spectic Tank]

Wrong. See Im asian. Im 6'4 How is that adapting?

We have things called civilizations now, where people build structures and the such to live in...so that they dont have to adapt to nature anymore...ur part of that:goodjob:

[Lucky DAWG]

True...but most of the Bibles facts are true since the Hill were Jesus die well they know where that is. The Garden where he was found... well that's a give they know where that is. Though who the hell would draw Jesus's picture when there in awe of someone preaching.

yea they are historic places but the things in question are some of the miraculous things he does like healing a sick man, letting the blind see, and being born from a virgin.

although i don't believe that these things actually happened, i think that the meaning behind them is none the less still there and teach people how to live.

i'm sort of a deist you could say, i dont think that god intervenes on a daily basis but rather gives us the power from the get go to do it for ourselves.

in other words he just started the ball rolling and gave us what we needed to do the right thing, the rest is up to us

[Crazy Asian]

The fact that God doesnt exist or doesnt exist cant be proven. But to us Christians its through our faith. And most ppl do believe there is some higher power working on us.

[man]

I do worry about that...but you can say the same thing for creationism.

Absolutely, and this is where you get a convergence of science and religion. There are some things that the mind just simply cannot comprehend.

[Mr_Mischif]

The way I see it is this: I do believe there was a big bang, but-and this is a big 'but'-what caused it? That's the $64,000 question. Everything else could be proven scientifically from there, but the Big Bang happening by itself is like a person spontaneously combusting: you have to see it to believe it.

[Crazy Asian]

Blah on with the next religions. Scientology

[Spectic Tank]

However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists, “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. "Then Jesus told him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed'” (John 20:29).



That does not mean, however, that there is not evidence of God’s existence. The Bible declares, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset – all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” There is something deep down in our beings that recognizes that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and through us is still there. Despite all of this, the Bible warns us that some will still deny God’s existence, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1). Since over 98% of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God – there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.



In addition to the Biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument basically uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “that than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist then God would not be the greatest conceivable being - but that would contradict God's very definition. A second is the teleological argument. The teleological argument is that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a Divine designer. For example, if earth were even a few hundred miles closer or further away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 0’s). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.



A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God. A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?



Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and instead believe a lie. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God, “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).



People claim to not believe in God because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once people admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable for our actions to Him. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. I believe that is why evolution is so strongly clung to by many in our society - to give people an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.



Allow me one last argument for God’s existence. How do I know God exists? I know God exists because I speak to Him every day. I do not audibly hear Him speaking back to me, but I sense His presence, I feel His leading, I know His love, I desire His grace. Things have occurred in my life that have no other possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved me and changed my life that I cannot help but to acknowledge and praise His existence. None of these arguments in and of themselves can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is so plainly clear. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark, it is safe step into a well-lit room where 90% of people are already standing.

:blah: ...I think i just vomited in my mouth a little bit

[Lucky DAWG]

A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God. A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?



not to mention that is science too

for every push there is a pull, common physics.
funny how science fucks itself over when making such arguments and then pretends to be superior intellectually to all of those who believe in a greater being

[Crazy Asian]

LOL!!! How you vomit at a text proving something at the most it can. Remember the question of god does exist or not can be prove or dispproved. It just up to the human being.

[Lucky DAWG]

I do worry about that...but you can say the same thing for creationism. Where did god come from...did he just magically appear and start makin people and plants and shit?

i also like how you vomited at what was actually a well thought out few paragraphs even though i don't agree with all of it.

the best you could come up with is, "start makin people and plants and shit?"

and shit... really now?
not a good way to convince me you are correct

[man]

for every push there is a pull, common physics.
funny how science fucks itself over when making such arguments and then pretends to be superior intellectually to all of those who believe in a greater being

What I find most interesting about Scientists vs the Bible is the inability of modern day scientists, with vast amounts of technology, to 100% disprove a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of lower class guys. :lmfao:

[Lucky DAWG]

What I find most interesting about Scientists vs the Bible is the inability of modern day scientists, with vast amounts of technology, to 100% disprove a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of lower class guys. :lmfao:

lol which is exactly my point

until they can disprove it, its retarded how they just make up more and more ridiculous theorems that are just as ridiculous in a sense as the bible is to the scientists.

the worst part is that the common man doesn't realize that this is a THEOREM made up by a scientist.

i stand on the religion side

[Crazy Asian]

LOL true. Hell they've been at for a long time. Maybe that's why Scientology was made.

[man]

LOL true. Hell they've been at for a long time.

Either these couple guys were fuckin Dan Brown style puzzle novel geniuses, or our scientist are pathetic.

[Lucky DAWG]

scientology is still based on the same basis as other religions

a superior being which happens to be another race comes and puts us here and has been monitoring us.

the name is misleading
all they have done is given the idea a new coat of paint

[4dmin]

Not true. The Bible is not a book of laws, it is kind of like a guidebook or a book of proverbs. This is why everyone's view of Christianity is skewed. As far as I know, only the Catholics are crazy enough to take the Bible word for word. They are the extremists and I think their higher-ups do things to give all Christians a bad name because most people don't know how different each denomination's beliefs really are.

the bible is a book of laws if you are christian... you can't say well i don't believe in sin so as long as i believe in god i'm going to heaven. you say extremists but those are the only people who can say they are that religion. you can't pick and choose the things you want to believe b/c in doing that you are saying that the bible isn't factual; furthermore saying the bible isn't true.

i think you need to reread your bible b/c your saying you believe in GOD yet you don't believe in the bible as fact.

[PhAtBoYMr2]

However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists, “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. "Then Jesus told him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed'” (John 20:29).



That does not mean, however, that there is not evidence of God’s existence. The Bible declares, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset – all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” There is something deep down in our beings that recognizes that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and through us is still there. Despite all of this, the Bible warns us that some will still deny God’s existence, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1). Since over 98% of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God – there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.



In addition to the Biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument basically uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “that than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist then God would not be the greatest conceivable being - but that would contradict God's very definition. A second is the teleological argument. The teleological argument is that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a Divine designer. For example, if earth were even a few hundred miles closer or further away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 0’s). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.



A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God. A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?



Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and instead believe a lie. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God, “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).



People claim to not believe in God because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once people admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable for our actions to Him. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. I believe that is why evolution is so strongly clung to by many in our society - to give people an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.



Allow me one last argument for God’s existence. How do I know God exists? I know God exists because I speak to Him every day. I do not audibly hear Him speaking back to me, but I sense His presence, I feel His leading, I know His love, I desire His grace. Things have occurred in my life that have no other possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved me and changed my life that I cannot help but to acknowledge and praise His existence. None of these arguments in and of themselves can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is so plainly clear. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark, it is safe step into a well-lit room where 90% of people are already standing.


:goodjob: :goodjob:

I guess we will all find out if god exist soon enough but i am a believer and there are alot of things in this world science cannot answer and maybe never will. But at the same time I am a believer of god but theres only so much the human mind can decipher. There are places in space where our computers and satellites can't even reach yet so who knows whats out there. I also do believe in ufo's and it's said that if there are other beings out there it will contradict everything the bible has said because we are the number one being in the universe.

Just alot of things we don't know or haven't discovered. I think science is always improving and as it does we will discover new things. I mean not too long ago we thought the earth was flat and there was no such thing as outer space. That was everyone's perception in some time frame so maybe right now we will have a different perception on things come 100 years from now.

[man]

the bible is a book of laws if you are christian... you can't say well i don't believe in sin so as long as i believe in god i'm going to heaven. you say extremists but those are the only people who can say they are that religion. you can't pick and choose the things you want to believe b/c in doing that you are saying that the bible isn't factual; furthermore saying the bible isn't true.

i think you need to reread your bible b/c your saying you believe in GOD yet you don't believe in the bible as fact.

All you are describing is the beliefs of Catholics, I don't think you understand that. Catholics have set the example of how everyone else views Christians and it's simply wrong. Have you ever read the Bible? It never says "Do all this or you're going to hell." It states that if you truly believe in Christ, you will be forgiven of all your sins. Catholics just use this as a control device with the good old fire and brimstone banter.

[4dmin]

What I find most interesting about Scientists vs the Bible is the inability of modern day scientists, with vast amounts of technology, to 100% disprove a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of lower class guys. :lmfao:

how are you going to disprove something people won't accept proof for? it is if a tree falls in the woods thing... christians basis for everything is faith and faith isn't proof.

[Lucky DAWG]

Not true. The Bible is not a book of laws, it is kind of like a guidebook or a book of proverbs. This is why everyone's view of Christianity is skewed. As far as I know, only the Catholics are crazy enough to take the Bible word for word. They are the extremists and I think their higher-ups do things to give all Christians a bad name because most people don't know how different each denomination's beliefs really are.



dude i was with you the whole time until i read that qoute by admin

thats actually pretty fucking insulting to go off on a limb and say that man. i'm roman catholic and i don't think you have even stepped into one of those churches before.

they actually do more interpreting of the bible then any other christian religion out there. if you wanna go pointing fingers at who takes it word for word then you should blame the baptists.

the higher ups give us a bad name? have you ever spoken to a priest or do you just glue your eyes to the news. vey few priests have ever done what they are stereotypically known for now because of a few bad apples. to do what they do is a huge commitment and a lot more then what a preacher has to do when giving his life to god.

i'm tolerant towards all religions, but assuming that kind of stuff that you said was way out of line

[Lucky DAWG]

All you are describing is the beliefs of Catholics, I don't think you understand that. Catholics have set the example of how everyone else views Christians and it's simply wrong. Have you ever read the Bible? It never says "Do all this or you're going to hell." It states that if you truly believe in Christ, you will be forgiven of all your sins. Catholics just use this as a control device with the good old fire and brimstone banter.

wtf dude!?

i think you're confusing the 15th century feudal times church with that of present day

this is so disrespectufl

[4dmin]

All you are describing is the beliefs of Catholics, I don't think you understand that. Catholics have set the example of how everyone else views Christians and it's simply wrong. Have you ever read the Bible? It never says "Do all this or you're going to hell." It states that if you truly believe in Christ, you will be forgiven of all your sins. Catholics just use this as a control device with the good old fire and brimstone banter.

um there are unforgivable sins, baptisms, etc.. there are many laws to which you need to abide by; if you truely believe. then you believe the bible is the word of god so you trying to debate that it isn't shows you obviously aren't practicing what you preach.

[man]

how are you going to disprove something people won't accept proof for? it is if a tree falls in the woods thing... christians basis for everything is faith and faith isn't proof.

Neither is a guy with a lab coat saying "well, because the galaxies are moving, obviously the universe was compacted into a tiny particle that exploded." It's pure idiocy.

[Lucky DAWG]

It's pure idiocy.

so is your view on the catholic church
get back to that point

[StupidBikerBoy]

What I find most interesting about Scientists vs the Bible is the inability of modern day scientists, with vast amounts of technology, to 100% disprove a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of lower class guys. :lmfao:

Thats rediculous. Disproving something written thousands of years ago by people that couldn't even explain rain, earthquakes, floods, etc. and based it on religous beliefs that had been spoken by word of mouth for 100 years before the earliest books where written would be extremely hard to do.

[man]

um there are unforgivable sins, baptisms, etc.. there are many laws to which you need to abide by; if you truely believe. then you believe the bible is the word of god so you trying to debate that it isn't shows you obviously aren't practicing what you preach.

NAB Matthew 12:31 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven."

[4dmin]

Neither is a guy with a lab coat saying "well, because the galaxies are moving, obviously the universe was compacted into a tiny particle that exploded." It's pure idiocy.

well the bible roughtly states the earth is 6000 years old... do you believe that? we can carbon date into the millions. we can go on for days back/forth on what can be disputed...

[man]

so is your view on the catholic church
get back to that point

I have no problem with catholics, only catholic officials.

[Lucky DAWG]

I have no problem with catholics, only catholic officials.

then watch your mouth cuz thats not what you said before
and what exactly is wrong with them

[StupidBikerBoy]

lol which is exactly my point

until they can disprove it, its retarded how they just make up more and more ridiculous theorems that are just as ridiculous in a sense as the bible is to the scientists.

the worst part is that the common man doesn't realize that this is a THEOREM made up by a scientist.

i stand on the religion side

:lmfao: :lmfao:

Yes, and a theorem is based on proven facts, so its nowhere near "made up".

Funny how you consider the other side retarded for "making up" things when in fact that is what the bible is. If this book is really the word of god, then wheres the proof that he dictated it?:lmfao:

[4dmin]

NAB Matthew 12:31 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven."

ya your point... b/c your proving mine; that specificlly states there are laws to christianity. also sins may be forgiven if you ask for forgiveness with truth in your heart. you sound like one of those Xmas/Easter christians... i go 2x a year and i'm going to heaven. lol

dude you should really put more stock in what you believe.

[Lucky DAWG]

:lmfao: :lmfao:

Yes, and a theorem is based on proven facts, so its nowhere near "made up".

Funny how you consider the other side retarded for "making up" things when in fact that is what the bible is. If this book is really the word of god, then wheres the proof that he dictated it?:lmfao:

funny how you put all the laughing emoticons on there because you were too lazy to read the whole thing and decided to skim through.

if you chose to go back and read word for word then you would see that i stated MULTIPLE times that i believe a lot of those things in the bible never happened but serve as a way for you to learn from and live your life as a good person.

i don't take the book word for word and realistically i realize it was written by human beings, read what i say before you try to use my own arguments against me :goodjob:

[man]

then watch your mouth cuz thats not what you said before
and what exactly is wrong with them
Many bishops, arch-bishops, w/e are beyond corrupt. I think if you will look back into history you will find this has been true for a long time. Once again I have nothing against those who truly follow the religion, but some of the higher-ups are horrible.

[4dmin]

funny how you put all the laughing emoticons on there because you were too lazy to read the whole thing and decided to skim through.

if you chose to go back and read word for word then you would see that i stated MULTIPLE times that i believe a lot of those things in the bible never happened but serve as a way for you to learn from and live your life as a good person.

i don't take the book word for word and realistically i realize it was written by human beings, read what i say before you try to use my own arguments against me :goodjob:

but if you believe in this why would you even consider yourself Christian of any doctrine?

[man]

ya your point... b/c your proving mine; that specificlly states there are laws to christianity. also sins may be forgiven if you ask for forgiveness with truth in your heart. you sound like one of those Xmas/Easter christians... i go 2x a year and i'm going to heaven. lol

dude you should really put more stock in what you believe.

You said we have laws to abide by. I posted the one law and it's pretty self-explanatory anyway, if you don't believe you won't be forgiven. How am I proving anything you said about having to follow a bunch of rules and take the entire Bible word for word?

[Pavlo]

I think you guys are all wrong, the universe was created from a backfire of a 911 SC on a cold Saturday morning.

[4dmin]

Many bishops, arch-bishops, w/e are beyond corrupt. I think if you will look back into history you will find this has been true for a long time. Once again I have nothing against those who truly follow the religion, but some of the higher-ups are horrible.

the creation of the bible is built upon the power hungry; do you honestly think constantine became christian b/c he believed in god?

[StupidBikerBoy]

DUH!!! And to make another state wrong. God chose whats good and whats wrong for human beings. The only reason why I stated adpatation since you dont believe in God I just made it more logically in your thinking. All I know is God put each human on Earth with different traits. I dont believe in evolution because of the fact that they cant prove where the other gene came from to make it a human being. Neither does a monkey love eating his own poo.


However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

Always lots of contradictions when religion tries to explain itself.

[4dmin]

You said we have laws to abide by. I posted the one law and it's pretty self-explanatory anyway, if you don't believe you won't be forgiven. How am I proving anything you said about having to follow a bunch of rules and take the entire Bible word for word?

so your by saying you don't believe the rest of the bible but one line basically states you don't believe it is real... how are you basing your faith on a book you don't believe in? that doesn't make sense.

[man]

Paul, you're arguing with three people who are saying the exact same thing about something you aren't even involved in. That would be like me going into NASA, listening to the scientists explain how a space shuttle works and then saying "Nope, you guys are all wrong. That's not how you're supposed to do it."

[StupidBikerBoy]

funny how you put all the laughing emoticons on there because you were too lazy to read the whole thing and decided to skim through.

if you chose to go back and read word for word then you would see that i stated MULTIPLE times that i believe a lot of those things in the bible never happened but serve as a way for you to learn from and live your life as a good person.

i don't take the book word for word and realistically i realize it was written by human beings, read what i say before you try to use my own arguments against me :goodjob:

Wow, don't we get all fussy when challenged.

Thanks for making that ASSumtion, but I did read it. You simply missed my whole point.:goodjob:

[man]

the creation of the bible is built upon the power hungry; do you honestly think constantine became christian b/c he believed in god?


So you're saying that a bunch of lower class guys wrote a book so that a thousand years later, people could use it to gain power...

[4dmin]

Paul, you're arguing with three people who are saying the exact same thing about something you aren't even involved in. That would be like me going into NASA, listening to the scientists explain how a space shuttle works and then saying "Nope, you guys are all wrong. That's not how you're supposed to do it."

no i'm not christian but i dont' understand who you say you are yet you don't follow the bible... i'm just wondering how strong your faith is or your points if you dissprove yourself by your lack of faith?

[4dmin]

So you're saying that a bunch of lower class guys wrote a book so that a thousand years later, people could use it to gain power...

if you believe in the bible then you would believe that it was written by god through man... i'm not christian i believe it is a church creation to create fear and submission

[man]

I'm done arguing this... I don't need to defend my beliefs and nothing said by unqualified people can sway me at all.

[4dmin]

I'm done arguing this... I don't need to defend my beliefs and nothing said by unqualified people can sway me at all.

lol i didn't know you had to be QUALIFIED to discuss faith.

[StupidBikerBoy]

The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions.



In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.

The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery.

Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions.


Updated December 2, 1997

Who here believes in this theory? I personally believe in it and the theory of evolution.... how many people disbelieve it and how many people do believe in it?

Personally, I believe in both of these theories myself. I choose to believe what is more logical, and being these are based on actual facts and not just supersticious beliefs that began when man thought lightening came from an angry god.

Sadly though, you cannot debate this with the close-minded religous ranks because most choose to believe in fairy tales rather than proven facts. ANd its not unusual for them to find one unproven part of a theory and automatically discount it simply because it hasn't been proven yet, when in fact thier whole belief system lacks any proof of a higher being.

[§treet_§peed]

the thing with this is that... the bible used used to be a buook read for fun and/or enterteinment.. it was passed around and altered to sell better like many books were done. so with being said it is very true that alot of the stuff in it could of been altered to make it appeal more to people so it would sell better and more people would read it

[Stormhammer]

God said bang and the explosion spanned over 7 days. :D

Yea I pretty much believe in that right there as well - that God kinda set forth the bang and let things take their own course, but of course we as humans documented it in a way that at the time we could understand

[man]

lol i didn't know you had to be QUALIFIED to discuss faith.

It would be nice to discuss it with someone who knows something about religion, rather than your personal opinions about what Christianity is.

Same thing goes for science. I will gladly discuss the Big Bang with other people who know physics and such.

Debating with a bunch of random people over the internet solves nothing on either end. Am I supposed to just assume the people on here have done studies on religion or science to form their opinions?

[StupidBikerBoy]

but i think to believe that we are simply here on our own and are only purpose is to advance technology and biogenetically enhance the next generaion is nothing but depressing.

you have to believe in something bigger then yourself to keep a positive attitude on a day to day basis



god is for weak ppl who cant live life w/ out someone to depend on. god is a crutch

This is true, and why religion is for the weak minded. And we all have times in our lives where we are weak minded.

+1 ARH1192

[4dmin]

It would be nice to discuss it with someone who knows something about religion, rather than your personal opinions about what Christianity is.

Same thing goes for science. I will gladly discuss the Big Bang with other people who know physics and such.

Debating with a bunch of random people over the internet solves nothing on either end. Am I supposed to just assume the people on here have done studies on religion or science to form their opinions?

like wise other then someone who picks and chooses what is true/not:lmfao:

[StupidBikerBoy]

the thing with this is that... the bible used used to be a buook read for fun and/or enterteinment.. it was passed around and altered to sell better like many books were done. so with being said it is very true that alot of the stuff in it could of been altered to make it appeal more to people so it would sell better and more people would read it

This is another problem I have with the bible. Plenty have used it to further thier own agenda, and more than likely man corrupted it numerous times if not from the beginning.

[4dmin]

This is another problem I have with the bible. Plenty have used it to further thier own agenda, and more than likely man corrupted it numerous times if not from the beginning.

the entire religion is based on this; that is how it worked it's way into the mainstream of roman culture

[StupidBikerBoy]

I'm done arguing this... I don't need to defend my beliefs and nothing said by unqualified people can sway me at all.

No you don't need to defend your faith, but choosing to disbelieve proven facts because they are taboo for you is closed-minded and rediculous.

I don't think a man should have to defend his faith, but then he shouldn't be able to spread them either if he can't defend them.

[§treet_§peed]

yup see that is what i am saying at first it might of been all true.. then the bottom fell out when man got a hold of it.. cause man kind is made to fuck up

[4dmin]

No you don't need to defend your faith, but choosing to disbelieve proven facts because they are taboo for you is closed-minded and rediculous.

I don't think a man should have to defend his faith, but then he shouldn't be able to spread them either if he can't defend them.

^:goodjob:

[Lucky DAWG]

This is true, and why religion is for the weak minded. And we all have times in our lives where we are weak minded.

+1 ARH1192

since when is believeing in something bigger then yourself weak minded. if anything it is for the strong because you realize that you are not the center of the universe and would rather put others in front of your own well being.and yea i do get fussy when someone ignorantly posts and attacks my core beliefs simply because they didn't read. and what point did i miss, you still failed to mention it in your last post lol

and admin i think of myself as a christian because catholics are christians too and me not believing in everything in the bible is completely fine with me. As long as i know that my relationship is strong with god then that is all that matters to me.

and fcman, so basically you are basing your argument on the catholic church off of dead guys who died centuries ago, maybe bringing up the names of catholic officials currently in service would make for a more convincing argument.

[ISAtlanta300]

lol i didn't know you had to be QUALIFIED to discuss faith.

Not qualified, but at least knowledgeable. I won't go into a rocket science discussion if I don't know lick about propulsion. I would just be talking out of my ass on what I "see" and "hear" without having hands on knowledge.

[Lucky DAWG]

No you don't need to defend your faith, but choosing to disbelieve proven facts because they are taboo for you is closed-minded and rediculous.

I don't think a man should have to defend his faith, but then he shouldn't be able to spread them either if he can't defend them.

i agree with that 100%

which is why i do not understand what your problem is with me and why you attack my reasoning

[Lucky DAWG]

Not qualified, but at least knowledgeable. I won't go into a rocket science discussion if I don't know lick about propulsion. I would just be talking out of my ass on what I "see" and "hear" without having hands on knowledge.

its not what you see or hear
faith is about what you feel and that is different for everyone

you're on the same level as everyone else so don't be shy.
no one has any hands on knowledge of this topic what so ever

[4dmin]

Not qualified, but at least knowledgeable. I won't go into a rocket science discussion if I don't know lick about propulsion. I would just be talking out of my ass on what I "see" and "hear" without having hands on knowledge.

for someone who is christian i would expect a better answer then that... i'm still wondering how someone can say they are christian yet they don't follow the bible... they are just guidelines not laws to which i SHOULD follow. if the bible isn't something for you to follow then what is the point? WWJD?

knowledgeable is obviously a questionable trait for some.

[Lucky DAWG]

for someone who is christian i would expect a better answer then that... i'm still wondering how someone can say they are christian yet they don't follow the bible... they are just guidelines not laws to which i SHOULD follow. if the bible isn't something for you to follow then what is the point?

knowledgeable is obviously a questionable trait for some.

if the bible tells you that sunday is the day of the lord and that you should go to church and celebrate him every week yet you only go twice a year for what i presumably am guessing is easter and christmas.

then... what is the point?

it all seems rather contradictary what you say.

i don't believe that the stuff actually happened but i believe in the power of the things said in the bible, theres a difference there. and yet i go every week... i don't understand what you're saying

[4dmin]

if the bible tells you that sunday is the day of the lord and that you should go to church and celebrate him every week yet you only go twice a year for what i presumably am guessing is easter and christmas.

then... what is the point?

it all seems rather contradictary what you say.

i don't believe that the stuff actually happened but i believe in the power of the things said in the bible, theres a difference there. and yet i go every week... i don't understand what you're saying

that is what i'm saying... why say you are christian unless you follow the doctrine?

you can believe in a higher power w/o saying you are CHRISTIAN... its like, i believe some of the doctrine of the muslim faith but i'm not a muslim :no:

by saying i'm christian yet you don't go to church and you don't follow the bible just shows you obviously aren't christian.

[Lucky DAWG]

that is what i'm saying... why say you are christian unless you follow the doctrine?

you can believe in a higher power w/o saying you are CHRISTIAN... its like, i believe some of the doctrine of the muslim faith but i'm not a muslim :no:

by saying i'm christian yet you don't go to church and you don't follow the bible just shows you obviously aren't christian.

because i believe the most in what christianity has to offer so i align myself with them for the comfort of belong to a group.

if everyone had the mindset that you are suggesting then we would all have our own religion because no one thinks the exact same way whether they like to acknowledge that or not.

its just like political parties, i dont fully believe in what republicans say yet i associate with them because otherwise nothing would get done if everyone wanted to make their own party

[Lucky DAWG]

and i respect your opinion admin but i gotta get off for the night

you haven't made any assumptions about my religion as fcman did and i thankyou for that, and i would like to talk about this more with you

but i have an 8 page paper due tomorrow,
we'll pick it up another time
peace

[babygurl]

that is what i'm saying... why say you are christian unless you follow the doctrine?

you can believe in a higher power w/o saying you are CHRISTIAN... its like, i believe some of the doctrine of the muslim faith but i'm not a muslim :no:

by saying i'm christian yet you don't go to church and you don't follow the bible just shows you obviously aren't christian.


paul paul...this is why we need to keep the staight religion forum lol

I have read in the bible, and always believed that church is where the heart is...You can sit at home, and praise the lord, and read the bible at home...

A church doesnt have to be 4 walls with a roof as well...

[Julio]

I love this shit!!!

bibble thumpers are a joke... The only thing the bibble is good for is to wipe my ass when I run out of toylet paper !!!

Is funny how some people dont want to argue or discuss and call others uneducated about the subject....
actually im shocked that so called "educated" people let other people brainwash them with BULLSHIT.

Evolution > Everything else...


Im starting my very own evolution HOUSE where we talk about the all mighty BIG BANG !!!

[§treet_§peed]

lol

[Maniaç]

damn what happened to this thread? L0L

[Maniaç]

All in all this thread had a very good turn out. the subject might be new to IA but not to the world.....
i really think we should take a few days off from all this shit talking have one of these educational threads instead.

Weird thing is that alot of people agree with me on this subject... good to know.
only time will tell..... the human race isn't going anywhere anything soon.

Maniac(Alex)_

[seksehowy]

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/227/200701152020science20vsym9.png
i like them stars

[Julio]

All in all this thread had a very good turn out. the subject might be new to IA but not to the world.....
i really think we should take a few days off from all this shit talking have one of these educational threads instead.

Weird thing is that alot of people agree with me on this subject... good to know.
only time will tell..... the human race isn't going anywhere anything soon.

Maniac(Alex)_



You are pretty new to IA... This thread has been thrown around a few times before andit got ugly.. lol

[Maniaç]

You are pretty new to IA... This thread has been thrown around a few times before andit got ugly.. lol

:eek: what the fuck! are you serious? i wanna see the thread.

[StupidBikerBoy]

i agree with that 100%

which is why i do not understand what your problem is with me and why you attack my reasoning

I don't have a problem with you and I didn't attack your reasoning. I apologize if it sounded that way.



lol which is exactly my point

until they can disprove it, its retarded how they just make up more and more ridiculous theorems that are just as ridiculous in a sense as the bible is to the scientists.

the worst part is that the common man doesn't realize that this is a THEOREM made up by a scientist.

i stand on the religion side


When I replied to that my point was that its rediculous to bash a theory saying it is "made up" and then say that you are on the side that is 100% based on "made up" things with no proof of it.

Theory's are not "made up" by scientists, that was a completely ignorant statement.

I won't think badly of a man with faith, but I do of ignorance and close-mindedness. Both of these only hinder progress of any kind. And so far, most of the arguement FOR religion has been very ignorant and close-minded.

What if you were raised believing that eating babies was a good thing, yet because you wouldn't educate yourself about it or open your mind to other possibilities you never realized the whole world is against you?

Of course, your first response would be "but I'm not like that", but are you really? And even if you aren't, most are.

[StupidBikerBoy]

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/227/200701152020science20vsym9.png
i like them stars

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
Great pic!! Saving this one. And +1 to you.

[Maniaç]

oh well this threads being sucked in a black hole.... fun while it lasted.

[Lucky DAWG]

I don't have a problem with you and I didn't attack your reasoning. I apologize if it sounded that way.



When I replied to that my point was that its rediculous to bash a theory saying it is "made up" and then say that you are on the side that is 100% based on "made up" things with no proof of it.

Theory's are not "made up" by scientists, that was a completely ignorant statement.

I won't think badly of a man with faith, but I do of ignorance and close-mindedness. Both of these only hinder progress of any kind. And so far, most of the arguement FOR religion has been very ignorant and close-minded.

What if you were raised believing that eating babies was a good thing, yet because you wouldn't educate yourself about it or open your mind to other possibilities you never realized the whole world is against you?

Of course, your first response would be "but I'm not like that", but are you really? And even if you aren't, most are.

theory's are made up by scientists using logical thinking which is the same way religion was formed, its original intent to keep people in order.

and what if i told you that "there was a flying spaghetti monster" (sorry south park joke).

and no religions aren't based on 100% made up things. and the point of them being made up is not the one at hand. it is used as something to act morally upon not to base your critical thinking off of.

you don't have to have science or religion and not both at the same time. like i said, i believe in evolution to an extent and lots of other theories. and until it is 100% proven it is still a theory which makes it made up. mathmatically a theorem is something that works all of the time not some of the time. thats why things like evolution can not be misconstrayed as a fact even though it does look like a promising one, but not until you can find no evidence against it.

the big bang theory is something that is completely made up and has no proof what so ever and has no way of being proven as of now. they simply decided this because the galaxy and universe resemble the anatomy of an atom in the way that the electrons revolve around the nucleus.

so i guess point being, you have to have some FAITH in the big bang theory just like religion, making them pretty similar after all

[StupidBikerBoy]

theory's are made up by scientists using logical thinking which is the same way religion was formed, its original intent to keep people in order.

so i guess point being, you have to have some FAITH in the big bang theory just like religion, making them pretty similar after all

No, theory is backed by proven facts. They are never just made up. The theory of evolution has countless proven facts that back it, and only one missing link that keeps it a theory.

And the big bang theory has facts to back it also. Granted nowhere near as much as evolution, but facts none the less.

However, there are absolutely no facts that back the idea of a god.

Religion is 100% faith.


the big bang theory is something that is completely made up and has no proof what so ever and has no way of being proven as of now. they simply decided this because the galaxy and universe resemble the anatomy of an atom in the way that the electrons revolve around the nucleus.

Yes, it has proof backing it, as do all theories. Look at the link in the first post.

[David88vert]

9 pages and no talk about the original question? (In case you forgot - the Big Bang Theory)

I'll start:
Law of Conservation of Mass: Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
Formula Page: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/mass.html

Law of Conservation of Energy: Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can change its form.
The total quantity of matter and energy available in the universe is a fixed amount and never any more or less.
Formula Page: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/thermo1f.html

Basic problem: Where did the matter come from that turned into this universe after the Big Bang? The same amount of matter needed to exist before the Big Bang. Something cannot come from nothing.

If you believe in the Big Bang Hypothesis, you need to be able to explain this question in detail, or you are taking it on faith - nothing more. And that makes it the same as a religion - based on faith. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Now if you want to discuss the Big Bang Guess, you had better come prepared to discuss these points:
1) Singularity
2) Smoothness
3) Horizon
4) Flatness
5) Inflation Theory
6) Missing Mass
7) The Age of the Universe
8) Radiation from the "Decoupling"
9) The Big Bang Timeline
10) The Abundance of Light Elements
11) Red Shift Anomalies
12) Curved Space
13) The Decelerating Expansion of the Universe

[Lucky DAWG]

9 pages and no talk about the original question? (In case you forgot - the Big Bang Theory)

I'll start:
Law of Conservation of Mass: Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
Formula Page: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/mass.html

Law of Conservation of Energy: Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can change its form.
The total quantity of matter and energy available in the universe is a fixed amount and never any more or less.
Formula Page: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/thermo1f.html

Basic problem: Where did the matter come from that turned into this universe after the Big Bang? The same amount of matter needed to exist before the Big Bang. Something cannot come from nothing.

If you believe in the Big Bang Hypothesis, you need to be able to explain this question in detail, or you are taking it on faith - nothing more. And that makes it the same as a religion - based on faith. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Now if you want to discuss the Big Bang Guess, you had better come prepared to discuss these points:
1) Singularity
2) Smoothness
3) Horizon
4) Flatness
5) Inflation Theory
6) Missing Mass
7) The Age of the Universe
8) Radiation from the "Decoupling"
9) The Big Bang Timeline
10) The Abundance of Light Elements
11) Red Shift Anomalies
12) Curved Space
13) The Decelerating Expansion of the Universe

very well put man :goodjob: i agree 100%

[Lucky DAWG]

No, theory is backed by proven facts. They are never just made up. The theory of evolution has countless proven facts that back it, and only one missing link that keeps it a theory.

And the big bang theory has facts to back it also. Granted nowhere near as much as evolution, but facts none the less.

However, there are absolutely no facts that back the idea of a god.

Religion is 100% faith.



Yes, it has proof backing it, as do all theories. Look at the link in the first post.

when it comes to science it is all or nothing when it comes to making something a law, otherwise it doesn't matter. not to be misinterpreted as me saying we should just forget about it but keep pursuing more knowledge on it as a theorem.

and as for me even if religion is a fraud as you state. i for one would rather believe in it and feel complete. i don't understand how you like the outlook that you are simply here to recreate and push on the progress of the world as some kind of machine. If there is no god then what are the benefits of being nice, why not be cut throat and do whatever low down tricks you can to get what you want at the expense of others? there will be no consequences, correct?

i just don't want to be sitting in the dirt in a wooden coffin for thousands of years after i die. a life without religion or a belief in a greather scheme is quite frankly boring and depressing

[Spectic Tank]

LOL!!! How you vomit at a text proving something at the most it can. Remember the question of god does exist or not can be prove or dispproved. It just up to the human being.

I didn't actually vomit in my mouth, I just didn't agree with a lot of what you were saying. you are entitled to you belief and I respect that...I am also entitled to my opinion.

[Spectic Tank]

i also like how you vomited at what was actually a well thought out few paragraphs even though i don't agree with all of it.

the best you could come up with is, "start makin people and plants and shit?"

and shit... really now?
not a good way to convince me you are correct

Alright...I care why? I don't remember trying to convince you of anything:???:

[David88vert]

Kind of off topic, but I know Paul and QD will get a kick out of this.
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

[Lucky DAWG]

Alright...I care why? I don't remember trying to convince you of anything:???:

then don't post here

its a.. say it with me now...
public

forum

[Evil Goat]

Who here believes in this theory? I personally believe in it and the theory of evolution.... how many people disbelieve it and how many people do believe in it?


i believe in creation....i also belive you were put here for one thing...

http://www.springsfarm.com/picker2.jpg

[Lucky DAWG]

i believe in creation....i also belive you were put here for one thing...

http://www.springsfarm.com/picker2.jpg

hahaha
i dunno how you have one rep dude,
you make me laugh on the daily

[Evil Goat]

hahaha
i dunno how you have one rep dude,
you make me laugh on the daily


appreciate it, question is, whatd this peach picker maniac 'evolve' from?

[Lucky DAWG]

appreciate it, question is, whatd this peach picker maniac 'evolve' from?

the amazing mouse
speedy gonzalez

ARIBA! :bump:

[Spectic Tank]

then don't post here

its a.. say it with me now...
public

forum



Just because everyone can read it doesn't mean I care if u agree with me or not...get over yourself:taun:

[Evil Goat]

http://www.nederweert.nl/FilesPage/1002575/Speedy%20Gonzales%20internet.jpg

[Lucky DAWG]

Just because everyone can read it doesn't mean I care if u agree with me or not...get over yourself:taun:

thats awesome man :goodjob:


lol at speedy

[ISAtlanta300]

wel... this took a nosedive fast..... LOL

[C22H19N3O4]

9 pages and no talk about the original question? (In case you forgot - the Big Bang Theory)

I'll start:
Law of Conservation of Mass: Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
Formula Page: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/mass.html

Law of Conservation of Energy: Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can change its form.
The total quantity of matter and energy available in the universe is a fixed amount and never any more or less.
Formula Page: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/thermo1f.html

Basic problem: Where did the matter come from that turned into this universe after the Big Bang? The same amount of matter needed to exist before the Big Bang. Something cannot come from nothing.

If you believe in the Big Bang Hypothesis, you need to be able to explain this question in detail, or you are taking it on faith - nothing more. And that makes it the same as a religion - based on faith. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Now if you want to discuss the Big Bang Guess, you had better come prepared to discuss these points:
1) Singularity
2) Smoothness
3) Horizon
4) Flatness
5) Inflation Theory
6) Missing Mass
7) The Age of the Universe
8) Radiation from the "Decoupling"
9) The Big Bang Timeline
10) The Abundance of Light Elements
11) Red Shift Anomalies
12) Curved Space
13) The Decelerating Expansion of the Universe



http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a85/quick_dodge2/lol.gif

[{X}Echo419]

9 pages and no talk about the original question? (In case you forgot - the Big Bang Theory)

I'll start:
Law of Conservation of Mass: Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
Formula Page: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/mass.html

Law of Conservation of Energy: Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can change its form.
The total quantity of matter and energy available in the universe is a fixed amount and never any more or less.
Formula Page: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/thermo1f.html

Basic problem: Where did the matter come from that turned into this universe after the Big Bang? The same amount of matter needed to exist before the Big Bang. Something cannot come from nothing.

If you believe in the Big Bang Hypothesis, you need to be able to explain this question in detail, or you are taking it on faith - nothing more. And that makes it the same as a religion - based on faith. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Now if you want to discuss the Big Bang Guess, you had better come prepared to discuss these points:
1) Singularity
2) Smoothness
3) Horizon
4) Flatness
5) Inflation Theory
6) Missing Mass
7) The Age of the Universe
8) Radiation from the "Decoupling"
9) The Big Bang Timeline
10) The Abundance of Light Elements
11) Red Shift Anomalies
12) Curved Space
13) The Decelerating Expansion of the Universe

I was about to post something just like that. :goodjob:

I don't see how you could believe that the "Big Bang Theory"(o yeah That sounds real scientific) when there are laws that make such a theory impossible. HA! and people say religon contradicts itself :lmfao:

[C22H19N3O4]

You are pretty new to IA... This thread has been thrown around a few times before andit got ugly.. lol


It never got THAT bad. ;) :lmfao:

[4dmin]

Kind of off topic, but I know Paul and QD will get a kick out of this.
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY
(1) Eric Clapton is God.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nice site :goodjob:

[Halfwit]

question about evolution,

if we evolve, wouldnt there be half ape/ppl because shouldnt there be some that are at dfferent stages of evolution, it couldnt have jsut happened all at once.???

[4dmin]

question about evolution,

if we evolve, wouldnt there be half ape/ppl because shouldnt there be some that are at dfferent stages of evolution, it couldnt have jsut happened all at once.???

evolution in any state takes 1000-millions of years... you can't expect to have 1/2 ape people walking around; though alot of people i know still fall into this category b/c they are mildly retarded.

[Halfwit]

evolution in any state takes 1000-millions of years... you can't expect to have 1/2 ape people walking around; though alot of people i know still fall into this category b/c they are mildly retarded.
i know, but what im saying is this, they cant all "adapt/evolve " at the exact same time, and since some would have to be millions of years apart, shouldnt some be "more" evolved?

oh yeah thats what u mean by retards..doh..

[4dmin]

i know, but what im saying is this, they cant all "adapt/evolve " at the exact same time, and since some would have to be millions of years apart, shouldnt some be "more" evolved?

oh yeah thats what u mean by retards..doh..

well its kinda like the survial of the fittest as well... all superior races destroy or enslave weaker races... this has gone on since exsistense has been recorded; so i don't think your planet of the apes idea really works b/c man is superior than a 1/2 ape/man... the freaks would of been destroyed.

there is one exception to this rule... the 3 cavemen that still live... GIECO ;)

[Halfwit]

well its kinda like the survial of the fittest as well... all superior races destroy or enslave weaker races... this has gone on since exsistense has been recorded; so i don't think your planet of the apes idea really works b/c man is superior than a 1/2 ape/man... the freaks would of been destroyed.

there is one exception to this rule... the 3 cavemen that still live... GIECO ;)
but apes would be humans, jsut not done evolving yet, so shouldnt there be apes at different stages of evolution now?

[4dmin]

but apes would be humans, jsut not done evolving yet, so shouldnt there be apes at different stages of evolution now?

no b/c i just told you why... species tend to stick to themselves... you wouldn't find humans mating w/ fish would you? no. just for the same point if there was abominations such as 1/2 man/apes then those who didn't evolve would probably be slaughtered. we slaughter our own what makes you think we wouldn't slaughter some 1/2 breed?

[Halfwit]

no b/c i just told you why... species tend to stick to them selves... you wouldn't find humans mating w/ fish would you? no. just for the same point if there was abominations such as 1/2 man/apes then those who didn't evolve would probably be slaughtered. she slaughter our own what makes you think we wouldn't slaughter some 1/2 breed?
okkk.

so were still evolving now correct? jsut at a tremendously slow rate? evolution wouldnt stop, but could be stopped with all todys medicine to keep everyone "healthy"

[4dmin]

okkk.

so were still evolving now correct? jsut at a tremendously slow rate? evolution wouldnt stop, but could be stopped with all todys medicine to keep everyone "healthy"

if you believe in evolution then yes we are still evolving, but i don't see how modern medicine can stop all of the chain reactions taking place if we do evolve... it is possible i'm sure. maybe you should look into medicine to keep you from being EMO. ;)

[ShooterMcGavin]

I was about to post something just like that. :goodjob:

I don't see how you could believe that the "Big Bang Theory"(o yeah That sounds real scientific) when there are laws that make such a theory impossible. HA! and people say religon contradicts itself :lmfao:
it's all fucking semantics, created by humans, discussed and debated by humans, all in our little "simple" human minds. seriously though, if any one person can concieve of something that's greater than us (either in the form of God or some other power), then we wouldn't be struggling w/shit like creationism and evolution the way we have since the beginning of fucking time (for us humans of course).

[Maniaç]

haha why was it moved?

[ShooterMcGavin]

religion goes in the lifestyles section

[Lucky DAWG]

religion goes in the lifestyles section

thats what i was jus bout to say :goodjob:

[Hulud]

note please, so i can join in on the festivities LOL

[Hulud]

evolution has its flaws as well
the term GOD has the biggest flaws of all :goodjob:

i will elaborate later, i gotta head off to work, time to sell me some DRUGS

[Lucky DAWG]

the term GOD has the biggest flaws of all :goodjob:

i will elaborate later, i gotta head off to work, time to sell me some DRUGS

its supposed to thats the point
i don't understand what people don't understand about that, its called faith for the 100th time

science is supposed to be factual and 100% flawless.
its by nature of the definition supposed to be like that

[Maniaç]

haha damn! moved twice!

[Maniaç]

I love this thread...... it really shows who knows and who doesn't know his stuff on this subject

[Spectic Tank]

its supposed to thats the point
i don't understand what people don't understand about that, its called faith for the 100th time

science is supposed to be factual and 100% flawless.
its by nature of the definition supposed to be like that


Not exactly, for scientists their theories have to be proven before they become scientific fact. That's why there is a Big Bang THEORY...it hasn't been completely proven yet.

Faith...yea we understand what faith is for the 100th time, and it's still seems like bs to me.

U don't have any faith in science, but u have faith in some imaginary being?

[Maniaç]

Not exactly, for scientists their theories have to be proven before they become scientific fact. That's why there is a Big Bang THEORY...it hasn't been completely proven yet.

Faith...yea we understand what faith is for the 100th time, and it's still seems like bs to me.

U don't have any faith in science, but u have faith in some imaginary being?

Very nice.......

Faith.... i think.... is just a big thing that has been going on for a very long time.. but in the end of the day is just a bunch of bullshit! why.... cause storys that are said in it just doesn't make any since...
unlike science.... it has facts and theorys... to atleast get us going in the right direction. not like faith that just leaves us with more questions

[C22H19N3O4]

science is supposed to be factual and 100% flawless.
its by nature of the definition supposed to be like that

I'd like to know which school you attended. If you actually learned that in school I'd like to slap your instructor.

Science thrives on error. Science is falsifiable and testable. I find it amusing that some of you want to discuss "science" but don't know the true definition of theory or law. You want scientists to explain billions of years of evolution in a nice compact textbook? :rolleyes:

I'm sure some of you have picked up on this, but what is the real discussion here? The topic jumps from evolution to abiogenesis. Please make up your mind.

[Maniaç]

I'd like to know which school you attended. If you actually learned that in school I'd like to slap your instructor.

Science thrives on error. Science is falsifiable and testable. I find it amusing that some of you want to discuss "science" but don't know the true definition of theory or law. You want scientists to explain billions of years of evolution in a nice compact textbook? :rolleyes:

I'm sure some of you have picked up on this, but what is the real discussion here? The topic jumps from evolution to abiogenesis. Please make up your mind.

I started this thread and don't really care where it goes.
Evolution/Abiogenesis..... who cares.. .we're not talking shit so it doesn't matter.
this is my first thread we're there's no shit talking on it.

[C22H19N3O4]

I started this thread and don't really care where it goes.
.

That's obvious. Why start a thread that's beyond your scope? I guess you learned something new in school yesterday. :lmfao: Try searching for previous religious threads.

[Maniaç]

That's obvious. Why start a thread that's beyond your scope? I guess you learned something new in school yesterday. :lmfao: Try searching for previous religious threads.

ok.... its not that dude.. people wanted to change it.. thats fine.. i got out all the things i wanted to.. they didn't so kept it going.
im not to bright when it come to religon.. which i don't care

You keep on at it if you want.. im done here

[C22H19N3O4]

ok.... its not that dude.. people wanted to change it.. thats fine.. i got out all the things i wanted to.. they didn't so kept it going.
im not to bright when it come to religon.. which i don't care

You keep on at it if you want.. im done here


It's not that serious. :D

[{X}Echo419]

Not exactly, for scientists their theories have to be proven before they become scientific fact. That's why there is a Big Bang THEORY...it hasn't been completely proven yet.

Faith...yea we understand what faith is for the 100th time, and it's still seems like bs to me.

U don't have any faith in science, but u have faith in some imaginary being?

I have more faith in a "God" than some nerd(human) that's been studying "Theories".

I'm only going to say this 1 more time. If you think "religon" contradicts itself and thus shouldn't be taken seriously how can you take something like "The Big Bang Theory" seriously?

this is a pointless debate. :2cents:

[NUGZ]

who fuckin cares, we are here and everyday we are ruining how ever it got here!

[Spectic Tank]

I have more faith in a "God" than some nerd(human) that's been studying "Theories".

I'm only going to say this 1 more time. If you think "religon" contradicts itself and thus shouldn't be taken seriously how can you take something like "The Big Bang Theory" seriously?

this is a pointless debate. :2cents:

Atleast you know humans are real...

[{X}Echo419]

Atleast you know humans are real...

(let me finish for you).....stupid. :goodjob:

[Lucky DAWG]

I'd like to know which school you attended. If you actually learned that in school I'd like to slap your instructor.

Science thrives on error. Science is falsifiable and testable. I find it amusing that some of you want to discuss "science" but don't know the true definition of theory or law. You want scientists to explain billions of years of evolution in a nice compact textbook? :rolleyes:

I'm sure some of you have picked up on this, but what is the real discussion here? The topic jumps from evolution to abiogenesis. Please make up your mind.

it isn't a scientific law until it has been tested over and over and has found to have no flaws in it. and no i don't need it in one textbook, there is multiple books that you can read and understand as to how the world works. no matter how much you study you will never come to the conclusion as how the universe is made leaving religion to be the one underlying thing that you can not break down for being false.

so congwadufuckulations on that one.

and who said i didn't have faith in science specvee, there is more meaning to faith then simply the fact that i believe in god.

i have faith in my family
i have faith in my friends
i have faith in myself

i have faith that there is good in everybody, so since when did faith become bullshit to you?

[Spectic Tank]

(let me finish for you).....stupid. :goodjob:

So...you're calling yourself stupid?

[Lucky DAWG]

So...you're calling yourself stupid?

we are dumb, we let greed and pride overtake us and thats why there are different countries, competition, and wars.

its our nature

[Spectic Tank]

it isn't a scientific law until it has been tested over and over and has found to have no flaws in it. and no i don't need it in one textbook, there is multiple books that you can read and understand as to how the world works. no matter how much you study you will never come to the conclusion as how the universe is made leaving religion to be the one underlying thing that you can not break down for being false.

so congwadufuckulations on that one.

and who said i didn't have faith in science specvee, there is more meaning to faith then simply the fact that i believe in god.

i have faith in my family
i have faith in my friends
i have faith in myself

i have faith that there is good in everybody, so since when did faith become bullshit to you?

Faith in a fictional being has always been bullshit to me. I believe in my self and the fact that I decide my own destiny according to how I live my life. I also have faith in my family and friends because they are REAL people who actually effect my life.

[Spectic Tank]

we are dumb, we let greed and pride overtake us and thats why there are different countries, competition, and wars.

its our nature


You just made huge generalization...maybe that's just your nature.

[Lucky DAWG]

Faith in a fictional being has always been bullshit to me. I believe in my self and the fact that I decide my own destiny according to how I live my life. I also have faith in my family and friends because they are REAL people who actually effect my life.

so whats your purpose then?
where are you going when you die?

if you have no faith then i want to know what goes through your head when you think about those questions

[Lucky DAWG]

You just made huge generalization...maybe that's just your nature.


no its a common known fact... :goodjob:
nice attempt at a jab though

[Spectic Tank]

so whats your purpose then?
where are you going when you die?

if you have no faith then i want to know what goes through your head when you think about those questions

My pourpose is the same as any other creatures purpose, to survive and reproduce. It's every animal/creatures purpose. These are "instincts" that we are born with.

Where do I think I'm going when I die...in the ground just like you. My mind is dead my body is dead...I will be worm food.

[Lucky DAWG]

My pourpose is the same as any other creatures purpose, to survive and reproduce. It's every animal/creatures purpose. These are "instincts" that we are born with.

Where do I think I'm going when I die...in the ground just like you. My mind is dead my body is dead...I will be worm food.

so why be nice to people?

why don't you just go out and murder your enemies if no one is going to find out about it.

whats stopping you :thinking:
shit go ahead and start selling drugs and create a gang
you'll make more money that way and live a better life until they bring you down, you got nothing to lose

[Spectic Tank]

no its a common known fact... :goodjob:
nice attempt at a jab though

That's good evidence right there! You made a general statement about every one on the earth...it's not common fact, it's your opinion.

[Spectic Tank]

so why be nice to people?

why don't you just go out and murder your enemies if no one is going to find out about it.

whats stopping you :thinking:
shit go ahead and start selling drugs and create a gang
you'll make more money that way and live a better life until they bring you down, you got nothing to lose

Like I said my goal is to survive. If I started doing those things you mentioned I wouldn't get very far. That's why I live by society's rule's...I don't need a book to tell me whats right and wrong.

[Lucky DAWG]

That's good evidence right there! You made a general statement about every one on the earth...it's not common fact, it's your opinion.

human nature is to do whats best for you and compete and fuck others over so that you can reach the top of the food chain whether in darwinism or social darwinism.

isn't that what your beliefs say??? :blah:

the people that my statement doesn't apply to are generally ones that have some kind of faith in a greater being; otherwise whats the point, when you die you won't have to deal with the consequences of your negative actions.

you're confusing me
don't trip over your own ideology

[Lucky DAWG]

Like I said my goal is to survive. If I started doing those things you mentioned I wouldn't get very far. That's why I live by society's rule's...I don't need a book to tell me whats right and wrong.

society's come and go

what is it you learn from then if not books?
i guess what i say doesn't apply to you then, because apparently you were born with this knowledge and you don't learn from outside sources. and don't say older people because where do you think they learned it from, it all comes back to books.

you go by what soceity tells you? what if you were raised in a remote island where cannibalism was practiced. would it make it right? majority rules makes people more comfortable and dictates order, it has nothing to do with what is the right thing

[Spectic Tank]

human nature is to do whats best for you and compete and fuck others over so that you can reach the top of the food chain whether in darwinism or social darwinism.

isn't that what your beliefs say??? :blah:

the people that my statement doesn't apply to are generally ones that have some kind of faith in a greater being; otherwise whats the point, when you die you won't have to deal with the consequences of your negative actions.

you're confusing me
don't trip over your own ideology

I never stated my beliefs in this thread...the only thing I said was that I believe in the big bang theory over creationism. you keep coming up with these ignorant generalizations about the human nature(that's why your confused). Just because people don't believ in the bible it automatically means that we fuck over other people to get to the top of the food chain? I don't need a bible to tell me what I think is right or wrong...I make those decisions for myslef. Just because I dont think that I will go to hell if I "sin" doesn't mean I feel the right to go on a killing spree.

[Spectic Tank]

society's come and go

what is it you learn from then if not books?
i guess what i say doesn't apply to you then, because apparently you were born with this knowledge and you don't learn from outside sources. and don't say older people because where do you think they learned it from, it all comes back to books.

you go by what soceity tells you? what if you were raised in a remote island where cannibalism was practiced. would it make it right? majority rules makes people more comfortable and dictates order, it has nothing to do with what is the right thing



Of course I learn from books, but not ones titled "the bible". I also learn from my own personal experiences. I don't rob people because I wouldn't want anyone to rob me. I dont need the bible to tell me im going to hell just to keep me from robbing someone. Im able to make my own thought and my own ideas...something you dont seem to do much of.

Obviously if i grew up where cannibalism was practiced i would think it was ok...I don't see where you are going with this argument

[Lucky DAWG]

I never stated my beliefs in this thread...the only thing I said was that I believe in the big bang theory over creationism. you keep coming up with these ignorant generalizations about the human nature(that's why your confused). Just because people don't believ in the bible it automatically means that we fuck over other people to get to the top of the food chain? I don't need a bible to tell me what I think is right or wrong...I make those decisions for myslef. Just because I dont think that I will go to hell is I "sin" doesn't mean I feel the right to go on a killing spree.

a killing spree would denote killing people at random.

if competition is in our nature then the most natural thing that comes to mind is just to kill of the competition. why do we have emotions of compassion for someone else with no return, that makes no sense.

the bolded sentence makes no sense either, and sin isn't in your vocabulary if you don't believe in a god. right and wrong should be up to you and therefore there is no such thing as sin. what is the point of us "evolving" to humans if that is indeed what happened if we are to simply recreate and advance. thats what all of the other animals do, i don't see why there was a need to advance to our stage.

and i'm not talking about just the bible, i'm talking about any religion's text. it is a way for them to unite under a common cause and work together because even when everyone has different beliefs they will all conflict if we try to do things on our own and have billions of different religions.

the religion is not about the book... it is about feeling an honest connection to a higher being and feeling that you have a goal in this world and trying to make a positive change. if you don't realize that then you are beyond my efforts of trying to convince you otherwise.

it is honestly sad that you can think we are nothing but meat bags with no purpose but to have babies.
if i am in need of a favor, i would certaintly not want to rely on you as a friend to be there for me to help out :lmfao:

i'm done,
chase

[Spectic Tank]

a killing spree would denote killing people at random.

if competition is in our nature then the most natural thing that comes to mind is just to kill of the competition. why do we have emotions of compassion for someone else with no return, that makes no sense.

the bolded sentence makes no sense either, and sin isn't in your vocabulary if you don't believe in a god. right and wrong should be up to you and therefore there is no such thing as sin. what is the point of us "evolving" to humans if that is indeed what happened if we are to simply recreate and advance. thats what all of the other animals do, i don't see why there was a need to advance to our stage.

and i'm not talking about just the bible, i'm talking about any religion's text. it is a way for them to unite under a common cause and work together because even when everyone has different beliefs they will all conflict if we try to do things on our own and have billions of different religions.

the religion is not about the book... it is about feeling an honest connection to a higher being and feeling that you have a goal in this world and trying to make a positive change. if you don't realize that then you are beyond my efforts of trying to convince you otherwise.

it is honestly sad that you can think we are nothing but meat bags with no purpose but to have babies.
if i am in need of a favor, i would certaintly not want to rely on you as a friend to be there for me to help out :lmfao:

i'm done,
chase

Good...call ur sunday school teacher

[Lucky DAWG]

Good...call ur sunday school teacher


clever

too bad darwin is dead
looks like ur shit out of luck :cheers:

[Maniaç]

this thread had a great turn out..... all my threads do.

[David88vert]

this thread had a great turn out..... all my threads do.

Yes, lots of posts .. but no one really wants to the discuss the original topic in depth. They just think they know what they are talking about, but have no scientific background to explain their beliefs. In other words, pretty much everyone that believes in the Big Bang is basing their belief entirely on faith in other men's words and books, rather than scientific facts - the exact same thing they are bashing other's on. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

[Maniaç]

Yes, lots of posts .. but no one really wants to the discuss the original topic in depth. They just think they know what they are talking about, but have no scientific background to explain their beliefs. In other words, pretty much everyone that believes in the Big Bang is basing their belief entirely on faith in other men's words and books, rather than scientific facts - the exact same thing they are bashing other's on. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

ok..... facts this facts that... check my first post dude... i was just asking who believes in it and who doesn't.

[ARH1192]

I got a question I'd like answered.

Who has seen someone split the sea?

and

Who has seen evolution in plants/animals?

[nolaRyder]

I got a question I'd like answered.

Who has seen someone split the sea?

and

Who has seen evolution in plants/animals?

whats the point??? thats like asking, "who has seen a dinosaur?"

[ARH1192]

not the same at all

[Hulud]

its supposed to thats the point
i don't understand what people don't understand about that, its called faith for the 100th time
how is faith flawed?

you put your faith in something because you believe whole heartedly in it :goodjob:


science is supposed to be factual and 100% flawless.
its by nature of the definition supposed to be like that
id like to know where the fuck you get your definitions from :lmfao:

how is science supposed to be FACT and 100% flawless when there are things like the big bang called THEORIES

heres the def of a theory

a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.


and heres a little definition of science for ya

The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.


but i digress

the term god has the biggest flaws, because:

A) How many religions have a god? Isnt there just one god to you? So how can that be?

B) He doesnt answer your prayers, its just the natural course of things happening.

C) If "your" god is the right one that would mean that like 75% of the worlds population is going to your hell, some god huh?

D) The term god is used for anything that people cant explain, just like how you people are ragging on others for their belief in the big bang, its just as absurd for you all to believe some invisible camo guy did the same.

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So its rather funny to see you all argue about something like the bigbang when theres no way to prove it at all as of yet. Plus the fact that you people who believe in this god are so quick to judge and say the big bang is crap yet you follow blindly in believing in some god that you cant prove exists either.

I mean your only proof is you believe, yet there are plenty of others who feel the exact opposite as you. So how do you think your right? Oh yea i remember you have faith. Just like people have faith in football teams that lose, ill take my chances with being agnostic.

[Hulud]

Yes, lots of posts .. but no one really wants to the discuss the original topic in depth. They just think they know what they are talking about, but have no scientific background to explain their beliefs. In other words, pretty much everyone that believes in the Big Bang is basing their belief entirely on faith in other men's words and books, rather than scientific facts - the exact same thing they are bashing other's on. It's the pot calling the kettle black.
Its working both ways :goodjob:

yet these christians arent supposed to be hypocritical :D

[Maniaç]

how is faith flawed?

you put your faith in something because you believe whole heartedly in it :goodjob:


id like to know where the fuck you get your definitions from :lmfao:

how is science supposed to be FACT and 100% flawless when there are things like the big bang called THEORIES

heres the def of a theory

a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.


and heres a little definition of science for ya

The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.


but i digress

the term god has the biggest flaws, because:

A) How many religions have a god? Isnt there just one god to you? So how can that be?

B) He doesnt answer your prayers, its just the natural course of things happening.

C) If "your" god is the right one that would mean that like 75% of the worlds population is going to your hell, some god huh?

D) The term god is used for anything that people cant explain, just like how you people are ragging on others for their belief in the big bang, its just as absurd for you all to believe some invisible camo guy did the same.

------------------------------------------------------------------


So its rather funny to see you all argue about something like the bigbang when theres no way to prove it at all as of yet. Plus the fact that you people who believe in this god are so quick to judge and say the big bang is crap yet you follow blindly in believing in some god that you cant prove exists either.

I mean your only proof is you believe, yet there are plenty of others who feel the exact opposite as you. So how do you think your right? Oh yea i remember you have faith. Just like people have faith in football teams that lose, ill take my chances with being agnostic.


Damn...... VERY well put dude ^ The Big Bang can't be proven.. but Scientist are looking into it..
but when it comes to faith i just don't see anyways it can be true.

[Lucky DAWG]

how is faith flawed?

you put your faith in something because you believe whole heartedly in it :goodjob:


id like to know where the fuck you get your definitions from :lmfao:

how is science supposed to be FACT and 100% flawless when there are things like the big bang called THEORIES

heres the def of a theory

a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.


and heres a little definition of science for ya

The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.


but i digress

the term god has the biggest flaws, because:

A) How many religions have a god? Isnt there just one god to you? So how can that be?

B) He doesnt answer your prayers, its just the natural course of things happening.

C) If "your" god is the right one that would mean that like 75% of the worlds population is going to your hell, some god huh?

D) The term god is used for anything that people cant explain, just like how you people are ragging on others for their belief in the big bang, its just as absurd for you all to believe some invisible camo guy did the same.

------------------------------------------------------------------


So its rather funny to see you all argue about something like the bigbang when theres no way to prove it at all as of yet. Plus the fact that you people who believe in this god are so quick to judge and say the big bang is crap yet you follow blindly in believing in some god that you cant prove exists either.

I mean your only proof is you believe, yet there are plenty of others who feel the exact opposite as you. So how do you think your right? Oh yea i remember you have faith. Just like people have faith in football teams that lose, ill take my chances with being agnostic.

i'm saying faith is flawed in the views of others, but the whole point is that it shouldn't matter to you because in your heart its what you know and believe.

and i'm not defining theories, im defining scientific facts, the part i bolded is called the scientific method on how to explore a topic and come up with a conclusion, and after many times doing so make a law. Science as a whole is supposed to be 100% facts in the end, ofcourse you will keep disproving old things because you make new discoveries that in the past you could not forsee.

A) i think they are all the same one, we all have different cultures and choose to view him differently, thats fine by me, christianity is what i relate to though and i don't shun you what so ever for being muslim or even believing in multiple gods like hindus, as long as you have strong faith and are a good person you are going to heaven to me.

B) exactly, which is what i said i believe in earlier... i'm a deist, god put us here and gave us the materials to fend for ourselves

C) see point A

D) i have no problem with science, but to say that something came from nothing when science itself states in the law of conservation that matter can neither be destroyed nor created then that theory makes no sense. i'm not knocking it off completely, if we can find more research that disproves the law of conservation and a number of other things stated before that keep the big bang theory from becoming fact, then it should be viewed simply as a theory. i have a large appreciation for science and believe in a lot of what it says to an extent. God is the only reasonable explenation for this RIGHT NOW and denying that there is a greater being regardless of what religious affiliation he/she/it is, boggles my mind.

most of the questions you asked me i have answered already

[Spectic Tank]

No one is "right" in this thread. We are arguing beliefs, and everyone's going to have their own. It's called the big bang Theory because it can't be proven, and many events/facts in the bible can't be proven either. There is noend to this argument, but it's the internet...most of the discussions are pointless anyway.

[Lucky DAWG]

No one is "right" in this thread. We are arguing beliefs, and everyone's going to have their own. It's called the big bang Theory because it can't be proven, and many events/facts in the bible can't be proven either. There is noend to this argument, but it's the internet...most of the discussions are pointless anyway.

THANKYOU!

finally something we can agree on something

the bolded is my entire point

[Hulud]

let me first clarify that i asked for notes for a reason, cause im not gonna read through 10 pages of shit to see everyones discussion


and i'm not defining theories, im defining scientific facts, the part i bolded is called the scientific method on how to explore a topic and come up with a conclusion, and after many times doing so make a law. Science as a whole is supposed to be 100% facts in the end, ofcourse you will keep disproving old things because you make new discoveries that in the past you could not forsee.
where did you learn that?

science is about learning about the universe, the scientific method IS what science refers to


A) i think they are all the same one, we all have different cultures and choose to view him differently, thats fine by me, christianity is what i relate to though and i don't shun you what so ever for being muslim or even believing in multiple gods like hindus, as long as you have strong faith and are a good person you are going to heaven to me.
nice avoiding the question

because according a little book that was written ~1500 years ago it states that bearing false gods means you go straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200


God is the only reasonable explenation for this RIGHT NOW
ok you're right, im done im convinced now....

[Spectic Tank]

THANKYOU!

finally something we can agree on something

the bolded is my entire point

...ur welcome... i guess:???:

[Lucky DAWG]

let me first clarify that i asked for notes for a reason, cause im not gonna read through 10 pages of shit to see everyones discussion


where did you learn that?

science is about learning about the universe, the scientific method IS what science refers to


nice avoiding the question

because according a little book that was written ~1500 years ago it states that bearing false gods means you go straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200


ok you're right, im done im convinced now....

the scientific method is apart of science, not the other way around, its how the process of going through an experiment and then finding a conclusion whether it proves your hypothesis true or false.

and yet again reading those 10 pages would do you good because as i have stated i interpret the bible how i percieve it, i'm not a textbook christian; so no i did not avoid the question.

i'll be taking my 200$ now
while were at it i'll take a hotel or two on park place and the boardwalk :goodjob:

[Spectic Tank]

the scientific method is apart of science, not the other way around, its how the process of going through an experiment and then finding a conclusion whether it proves your hypothesis true or false.

and yet again reading those 10 pages would do you good because as i have stated i interpret the bible how i percieve it, i'm not a textbook christian; so no i did not avoid the question.

i'll be taking my 200$ now
while were at it i'll take a hotel or two on park place and the boardwalk :goodjob:

so does that mean you really don't know what you're talking about?

[Lucky DAWG]

so does that mean you really don't know what you're talking about?

no :D