Will my NA TITLE FALL TONIGHT???

[Vteckidd]

Looks like it, me and Chunky are doing some dyno testing for Skunk2 and IPS tonight, he baselined 214whp with stock cams on his mildly built K20A2 motor.

he needs to break 237whp to be the NA MASTER, i think its going to happen. installing the k2s now :no:

[all motor 02]

im thinking he will break that mark... Hate to say it but its those damn K SERIES.

[Da_unknown]

^^^yo u couldnt not of said it better....( Hate to say it but its those damn K SERIES)

[Goinfasterthanu]

I cant wait to see what it does!!!

[Decker1.8t]

and the winner is?

[Five*Star*]

A good friend up at my work just finished his K20a2 swap into his eg. Should be pretty interesting to see the power once he starts tuning the K-pro and adding more parts.

[Verik]

Any news yet Mr. Kidd?

[Vteckidd]

the answer sof far is NO.

im still safe by about 9 whp

[i4_garage]

hey Mike...can u do me a favor....send me the numbers for the Skunk 2 and the IPS....so i know which one to get :)

[Vteckidd]

check on k20a.org

[Verik]

Gratz on maintaining the title :P lol. This was God's way of saying to make yours even more powerful haha.

[IntegraXTR]

9hp is very close, with a little more tuning it may just do it.

[toonz]

I thought you held the title for the most whp on a B series N/A motor?

[Vteckidd]

to my knowledge there hasnt been any K , B, H, or D break 237whp locally.

Streetstuff did have a carbed F series that made over 300whp, but i dont think it dynoed locally and i dont think the car was ever put together

[SLow_POke]

seen as the K has more potential. i think hes gonna take it pretty soon, mike.

[WhiteAccord]

Wow... 9whp... is extemeemly close.... maybe its time for someone to step their game up... im j/k good luck

[Vteckidd]

we are installing the skunk2 stage2s now, so this is his last shot.

check out the thread on k20a.org int he all motor section

[SPOOLIN]

what defines locally? Tracy over in tuscaloosa has that k24 all motor car, which i think they are decommissioned now. It's stacy's car and im sure it made over 240whp.

[Vteckidd]

local=georgia

[SPOOLIN]

I figured so. ;)

[BLK JDM]

what about raceworks up in gainesville???

[BABY J]

Even if it falls I think it's not quite fair to compare the 2 blocks. When the pricing falls down for serious N/A K series parts there will be quite a few Ks that pass those numbers. But I can't see a GA B series doing it anytime soon unless some1 has got something in the works.

[dELfONiK]

Even if it falls I think it's not quite fair to compare the 2 blocks. When the pricing falls down for serious N/A K series parts there will be quite a few Ks that pass those numbers. But I can't see a GA B series doing it anytime soon unless some1 has got something in the works.

x2

[PawnShopCEO]

trust me... mikes title WILL fall around march. h22 stock sleeves ftw

[The BUCKY]

:rly: :rly:
trust me... mikes title WILL fall around march. h22 stock sleeves ftw

[The BUCKY]

trust me... mikes title WILL fall around march. h22 stock sleeves ftw


:rly:

[SPOOLIN]

pfft, mikes is on b series, apples and oranges.

[93H22ACX]

9whp is pretty hard to gain for NA IMO.... but rare.

any update?

[Halfwit]

this guy cmae to the dealership and i was talking to him (he had a h22 accord, boosted) he told me b4 he boosted it it was 369 all motor no nitrous ect..

I LAUGHED IN HIS FACE, ARGUED FOR A FEW MINUITS, TOLD HIM IF HE CAN DUPLICATE THAT BUILD I WOULD PAY HIM FOR IT, THEN I LEFT.

[99SI]

this guy cmae to the dealership and i was talking to him (he had a h22 accord, boosted) he told me b4 he boosted it it was 369 all motor no nitrous ect..

I LAUGHED IN HIS FACE, ARGUED FOR A FEW MINUITS, TOLD HIM IF HE CAN DUPLICATE THAT BUILD I WOULD PAY HIM FOR IT, THEN I LEFT.
most people are stupid. / :blah:

[Vteckidd]

Racewerks had a road race del sol i beleive that made 210-220.

but they dyno at balanced, an no car from GA has been through Balanced that has made higher than my car. StreetStuff was the FIRST to make 237whp, He did in in that black EF that said PAID FOR.

We joke all the time how we are tied

By march 22nd, my title will have fallen to the NEW OWNER of my old longblock. he will make 250whpish. he added ITBs and a new CNC head.

All Motor on here should beat my record as well, his motor is "NICE"

Black R if he ever gets off his ass has a stroker motor that sould out do mine.

and the answer is he got within 6whp owith the skunk2s, but not enough

[SKUNK2GUY]

i thought raceworks closed?

[The BUCKY]

what will madwick make with his stroker build? the integra with jdm front

[Vteckidd]

maybe 200, 210

[The BUCKY]

maybe 200, 210


whats keeping his build from makin high numbers?? (dont understand the N/A stuff to well)

[Vteckidd]

95mm motors dont make much power, he will make killer TQ, but peak power, they can rev high enough

[The BUCKY]

95mm motors dont make much power, he will make killer TQ, but peak power, they can rev high enough


oh ok makes sense. still he will have a sweet setup.

[BLK JDM]

That's who i was thinking of Streetstuff!!

I tnink Raceworks is still around. I passed by there like a month ago and they had the truck in the parking lot.

[anothaRRR]

That's who i was thinking of Streetstuff!!

I tnink Raceworks is still around. I passed by there like a month ago and they had the truck in the parking lot.
Yeah, they are just not at the shop as much, usually out racing...The del sol was pretty much a stock build...The prelude had a pretty bad h23vtec in it, was told making 240+hp...He is local...

[BABY J]

pfft, mikes is on b series, apples and oranges.

* That's what I said. What could make it a better argument is power gained over base. For ex - dyno a stock LS/V, then Mike's old block - figure out the HP increase (as a percentage). Then do the same for a stock K and see what the HP gain is --> as a percentage. THEN you can compare diff blocks, diff engines (etc) and claim your N/A prowess as "I made XX% more WHP on a N/A build than that other guy." Even doing it THAT way is not 100% fair, but more fair than comparing the actual WHP of a B build vs a K build.

* IMO Mike was one of the 1st, and that will be remembered for a long time. Hell, kids these days have the "recipes" online for them - the blueprint is there for NE1 who has the heart, time and the $$ to do so. The only downside to Mike's build is that he can't drive for shit - LOL. And 2, he never put it on the track as much as he should to really dial it in. But in a way that takes away from it, and for the 1st time I can see how timeslips do not matter. I play on the street, and that makes me happy. But I will track my block at least once next Spring.

[all-mota]

95mm motors dont make much power, he will make killer TQ, but peak power, they can rev high enough


word thats why you build a 92mm motor and have someone make you some custom lengh rods and custom pistons and you can achieve around the same r/s ratio as a ls if it's done right, so the damn bearings don't take a beating and need to be replaced every 5k or so if they last that long at 9500, because all the big cams need to rev atleast that high to make the peak power.


i'm more impressed with the midrange on mine than i am the peak power hell it only makes that for a couple seconds lol fat curves FTW.

[Z33_kid]

wish i had all motor :(

[xext12mvx]

I WILL CHANGE IT 285 WHP

[Vteckidd]

i got $100 says you dont break 250whp on my dyno

you talk alot of shit, with nothing to back it up with.

youll need more than a K20A an ITBs to get those numbers

[BABY J]

I WILL CHANGE IT 285 WHP

hmmm

[SPOOLIN]

rofl, 285, yeh youll need a good bit even on a kseries.

[Vteckidd]

I WILL CHANGE IT 285 WHP
and you better have more than TODA cams, which is what you told me you had that night at BP.

toda wont make those numbers on a 2.0.

you better have a K24 :lmfao: :gay:

[93H22ACX]

95mm motors dont make much power, he will make killer TQ, but peak power, they can rev high enough

i wouldnt say that.... i've seen H23VTEC's rev as high as 9000rpm...(turbo application)... and...there are some with 98mm cranks that are making shitload of power and dont have to rev that high.

just giving you some info:goodjob:


Engine Block: '93 H22a "bored and stroked" to 2.44ltrs of displacement built by Collective Racing. Custom 98mm Crank, Darton sleeves, Crower Pro-billet rods, 12/1 compression 89mm JE pistons, Prodrive oil pump, ATR crank pulley, manual timing belt tensioner conversion, ARP main studs.
Cylinder head: Vance and Hines portwork, Skunk2 Pro 1 camshafts, Skunk2 springs and titainium retainers, 2000 Prelude LMAs, 50mm TWM ITBs, RC engineering 440cc Fuel injectors, STR cam seal, Skunk2 cam gears, RMF 4-1 header, ARP head studs, Cometic head gasket.
Misc: NGK wires, Hondata S300 engine management

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d151/93H22ACX/2point6.jpg

[drmcivicsi]

I WILL CHANGE IT 285 WHP

lol

[Vteckidd]

reliably, i dont see a 95mm crank local that has lasted more than 6 months. and i have never seen one make over 217whp

i just dont think anyone local can really put one together the right way

[93H22ACX]

its a race motor lol...

i know what you're saying...im just talking in general since you said 95mm dont make power.

im sure there are some local people here that has the skills to put it together... but of course most of the stuff will have to be sent out of state for head work and all the other good stuff.

[BABY J]

You know what - I bet there are still some "best kept secret" type spots for "decent or slightly better" machine work in GA. At least for bottom ends + assembly. And even heads can be done locally - I mean if you really want a GANGSTA ass head then yeah move it out of state, but I bet we have the talent in GA (maybe not JUST in ATL) to get some decent work done. We are more connected as far as shops go than a LOT of states I have lived in if we really think about it. Maybe we are too close geographically to FL and VA to really get our just due.

[SPOOLIN]

i know someone building a 95mm gsr/lsvtec/whatever you want to call that turbo build. and no its not me.

[93H22ACX]

i heard pink pony gives hood head work..but its just rumors...lol

so is everyone gonna be ready for the new season with their setup :)

MIke...so that 9whp was not acheived correct?

[BLK JDM]

i know someone building a 95mm gsr/lsvtec/whatever you want to call that turbo build. and no its not me.

Everything's local on that build minus the sleeves. But all machining, headwork, and assembly was local.

[93H22ACX]

i know someone building a 95mm gsr/lsvtec/whatever you want to call that turbo build. and no its not me.

actually there are like 4+ motors running around that is 95mm bseries

[SPOOLIN]

Everything's local on that build minus the sleeves. But all machining, headwork, and assembly was local.

whats your point?

[93H22ACX]

he was referring to the comments above about local installation

[Vteckidd]

you guys are talking about TURBO

im talking NA, i have not seen 1 NA 95mm locally make any decent power, anywhere

for my 89mm to make 237whp/159, a 95mm would have to make 260-270/170 for me to be impressed

[B18c1Turboed]

actually there are like 4+ motors running around that is 95mm bseries
:taun: REally???

[BLK JDM]

whats your point?


Calm down Tiny Tim. I wasn't trying to start nothing. Whoa Cowboy!!

[SPOOLIN]

sorry im not tiny tim, im average.

i wasnt getting ill i was just trying to figure out what the info was for?

[xext12mvx]

i got $100 says you dont break 250whp on my dyno

you talk alot of shit, with nothing to back it up with.

youll need more than a K20A an ITBs to get those numbers

I BET U 200 DOLLARS I WILL BEAT IT MY CAR IN THE SHOP AND I WILL TAKE IT TO YOU DYNO JUST NOT U TUNING IT LOL

[BABY J]

I BET U 200 DOLLARS I WILL BEAT IT...

xlation:

* I will see your $100 dollars of US currency Mike, and raise you another $100 (US currency) that my car will record a higher dyno number than 250whp. Now I am changing from the 285whp previously stated to 250whp.


MY CAR IN THE SHOP

xlation::thinking:

* This entry is not currently available for human xlation


...AND I WILL TAKE IT TO YOU DYNO

xlation:

* I will utilize your very own dyno in attempting to prove this bet, so you may see this feat 1st hand Mike.


...JUST NOT U TUNING IT...

xlation:

* Mike, in achieving said feat on said dyno however, I can't trust you to tune this beast. I need professionals and I will bring said professional w/ me - your dyno, my tuner, your money in MY pocket.


...LOL

xlation:

* laugh out loud

[Vteckidd]

I BET U 200 DOLLARS I WILL BEAT IT MY CAR IN THE SHOP AND I WILL TAKE IT TO YOU DYNO JUST NOT U TUNING IT LOL
DONE name the time an place.

if you win, ill hand the money over.

[SLow_POke]

called your BLUFF SON >>>>!!!! ill put another 100 on top of that :D yes ? no?

[twinj]

Big money

[93H22ACX]

is that 280whp all motor or 280whp + some juice?

[The BUCKY]

just spoke with madwick and may have spun a bearing already. thinks failed oil pump

[Vteckidd]

just spoke with madwick and may have spun a bearing already. thinks failed oil pump
which is why 95mm cranks SUCK

[drmcivicsi]

mike if goes to dyno plz call me u know my number hoe =)

[The BUCKY]

which is why 95mm cranks SUCK


yea tell me about it. gotta talk to him later and see what the deal is

[Truegiant]

someone earlier had mentioned raceworks.. joey (who used to work there) had built a h23/h22 combo that put down mid 240's in there honda challenge race prelude. You can ask jason (speedminded) he knows a little more about the build than i do.. but over 200whp all motor is still alot of power IMO!

[chunky]

LOL. I wonder if i'm just a header away from taking your record.

Once I get the cams that I really want, it's on like donkey kong player.

[112480]

the answer sof far is NO.

im still safe by about 9 whp
As long as you know mike a FULLY built K will DESTROY your NA Title..... sorry man.

[Vteckidd]

As long as you know mike a FULLY built K will DESTROY your NA Title..... sorry man.

my motor was a mild built B series, this is a mild built K series

[BABY J]

As stated earlier, we're comparing apples to oranges... or at LEAST oranges to tangerines.

[chunky]

my motor was a mild built B series, this is a mild built K series

you had exotic head work. I did not.

You had a baller header. I did not.

You had skunk2 PRO 3 cams. I was rocking stage II cams.

don't worry mike, i won't be long before i'll take the record. I may even be able to do it on the stage II cams.

[iloveboost]

Pretty sure I beat your all motor record with my single cam. :D

[SPOOLIN]

Pretty sure I beat your all motor record with my single cam. :D

plus 3 more liters plus 4 more cylinders. :gay: :boobies: :taun: :police:

[Vteckidd]

you had exotic head work. I did not.

You had a baller header. I did not.

You had skunk2 PRO 3 cams. I was rocking stage II cams.

don't worry mike, i won't be long before i'll take the record. I may even be able to do it on the stage II cams.
i had a $500 street port, your head flows better stock compared to my 290cfm B series head.

I had a $600 hytech knock off or a RMF, not really BALLER< nice

You got me on the cams :) mine were much bigger in terms

WIth a SSR header, youll pull ahead. your only 7whp off, but you forget i control the dyno :)

[chunky]

i had a $500 street port, your head flows better stock compared to my 290cfm B series head.

I had a $600 hytech knock off or a RMF, not really BALLER< nice

You got me on the cams :) mine were much bigger in terms

WIth a SSR header, youll pull ahead. your only 7whp off, but you forget i control the dyno :)

imagine if I had a $500 ported head, $600 header, and donkey cams.

soon, you won't have to imagine. :p

[Vteckidd]

its ok when you break that 237mark, ill just say "wanna race my 2J?" :)

[all-mota]

my motor was a mild built B series, this is a mild built K series

if my motor makes enough i might come up there just to raise the bar a bit to make it harder for him to beat the record lol

[Vteckidd]

if my motor makes enough i might come up there just to raise the bar a bit to make it harder for him to beat the record lol
you better bring it up here :slap:

[chunky]

its ok when you break that 237mark, ill just say "wanna race my 2J?" :)

and I'll say "sure, how about a 10 lap race around little talladega?"

[all-mota]

and I'll say "sure, how about a 10 lap race around little talladega?"


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you picked his weakness

lmao c'mon now everybody knows mike lacks those super cool mad tyte elite jdm road race skills man

[Vteckidd]

yeah, id put it in a ditch

[all-mota]

yeah, id put it in a ditch

lol i think you should be ok that track has alot of run off before you get to the wall thats why they have alot of hpde's there

[chunky]

lol i think you should be ok that track has alot of run off before you get to the wall thats why they have alot of hpde's there

I had to pick one with a short enough straight to keep him from staying on it too long. Although, the track's been re-done, so I might be in trouble.


naaah. :p

JFWY mike. When you get the 2j running, we'll have to do a couple of pulls though, just for old time's sake.

[deady]

viva le chunky!

[E.G. KING]

:2up:those damn k-series ruin it for everybody ::throws hat in dirt and kicks it::

[jfman]

:2up:those damn k-series ruin it for everybody ::throws hat in dirt and kicks it::

:D :goodjob: