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Brett
03-11-2005, 12:10 PM
Im not a racist so dont drag that shit into this, But its a question I have because it happens all to often....

This guy who just killed the 3 people at the court house.... Lets say he is found, and officers open fire on him ( They should have the right even if he isnt armed ) and kill him. Who is willing to bet by the end of the day you will have groups starting lawsuits saying "He was killed because he was black, A white cop killed him for no reason" but yet you wont see these same people bitch that he just killed 3 white or black people, That doesnt matter..... does it?

Dont turn this into a race issue, Im just saying I get so sick of seeing this shit on the news everytime a officer shoots someone and defends themselves.

JoeCoolinATL
03-11-2005, 12:19 PM
see brett. now your a racist bastard.

just like when the guy shot 2 cops then when they had him cornered after he ran in a stolen suburban and wound up down on virgina ave down from my house. he tried to run over 2 more apd and they shot and killed him.
yet his mom was all over the news for weeks saying he didnt do anything wrong and they murdered him and were racist etc.
i mean. forget the fact he tried to kill cops/stole a car/ shot more cops i mean thats ok right?

99SI
03-11-2005, 12:21 PM
It's about quick money. Principles and "the right thing" don't mean shit anymore when the possibility to sue someone and get $$$$ comes along.

Brett
03-11-2005, 12:23 PM
Like I said im not trying to sound racist, But I just know you will hear this guys momma say "They killed my boy, cause he was black" He didnt do anything wrong"

:confused:

Jay B II
03-11-2005, 12:25 PM
I doubt anyone would make a big deal over a rapist and killer being killed...armed or not...shit I would kill him too if I was a cop...it's a known fact in this country...cop killers get killed.

The Yousef
03-11-2005, 12:25 PM
Like I said im not trying to sound racist, But I just know you will hear this guys momma say "They killed my boy, cause he was black" He didnt do anything wrong"

:confused:


don't flame me for saying this but...

i guess because back in the day minorities epecially blacks were killed b/c of the color of their skin...granted we live in a different age now...but racism is still around....

just my :2cents:

yousef

civic95
03-11-2005, 12:28 PM
I think they should put his ass in a stockade (like the horse and buggy days) in downtown atl, and let the family members line up and take shots at him (hands and feet only), and let them keep going taking turns till he dies.

Brett
03-11-2005, 12:28 PM
I understand that, Trust me, But now these days when someone gets killed by a cop the race card is always played, even though the person shot was in the wrong. You dont hear is mom sayin "Im sorry he killed 3 white folks" So he was a killer, so the cops did what they had to do." You will NEVER hear that. Its always " Just because he was shooting at the police, they didnt have to kill him, He wasnt trying to hurt anyone, he is misunderstood" GIVE ME A BREAK!! DO THE CRIME, YOU GET SHOT, OH WELL!!!

Darling Nikki
03-11-2005, 12:39 PM
I am with you Brett on this one....someone will probably say it was bc of his color...I am sure as hell not racist but this shit is getting old....he needs to suffer the consequences for his actions.

HyPer50
03-11-2005, 12:40 PM
I got a suggestion... Just make all cops asian.. nobody seems to have beef with asians except other asians.

Jaimecbr900
03-11-2005, 12:40 PM
Police mistakes do happen and they should be investigated.

With that said, this guy deserves every bit of what he gets alive or dead IMO.

Brett
03-11-2005, 12:41 PM
Police mistakes do happen and they should be investigated.


That I FULLY agree with, But you hear the racial card thrown into EVERY cime when a white cop is involved, Forget the fact the person they shoot was a killer, That doesnt seem to matter to these action groups anymore.

HyPer50
03-11-2005, 12:43 PM
That I FULLY agree with, But you hear the racial card thrown into EVERY cime when a white cop is involved, Forget the fact the person they shoot was a killer, That doesnt seem to matter to these action groups anymore.

Just give them the silent treatment... Unless it truely is a noble cause, fuck activists/protesters/bitches.

Brett
03-11-2005, 12:44 PM
yup yup

Darling Nikki
03-11-2005, 12:48 PM
FUCK Terrorism :2up:

Brett
03-11-2005, 12:49 PM
What does terrorism have to do with this topic?

Jaimecbr900
03-11-2005, 12:50 PM
That I FULLY agree with, But you hear the racial card thrown into EVERY cime when a white cop is involved, Forget the fact the person they shoot was a killer, That doesnt seem to matter to these action groups anymore.

I totally agree with you Brett. I have no sympathy for low life's any more than you do. Regardless of color, I don't like any of them.

The race card is played as smoke and mirrors and to cash in on someone else's tragedy. Even their own family members.

This is one of the main reasons I hate the whole "Politically Correct" movement. Call a dog a dog. What color the dog is has no bearing on the fact he's still a dog. PC is BS. :jerkit:

JagerGirl
03-11-2005, 12:52 PM
I totally agree, I wish a black cop would fuck up his world just so that shit didn't happen.

Brett
03-11-2005, 12:52 PM
Exactly!! I can care less what color the criminal is, You get shot and killed, Thats the risk you made by doing the crime, You dont see anyone else crying racism when a black cops kills another race. It just gets old......

Regardless of race, If you are a criminal, and you get your self in the spot to have a cop kill you, That is your fault, The family members need to accept they had a criminal for a son/relative, etc and live with the choice THEY MADE.

Darling Nikki
03-11-2005, 12:52 PM
I just wanted to say terrorism bc that other guy was naming some other things to say fuck to......shut up brett ;)

4dmin
03-11-2005, 12:57 PM
i'm RACIST i dont' like anyone white/black/mexican(isn't that a color?) ;)

:321: bitches, you all need to be :hanged:

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 12:59 PM
Well, they dont have the right to shoot him armed or not or for the fact that he has killed 3 people. There are things like rules of engagement that must be followed, no matter how mad the officer behind the trigger is. You cant simply kill someone because they killed someone else, there are guidelines.

Do I think it is beyond officers being racist. Hell no. Ive been reffered to as a nigger by cops in SC and a spic/burrito boy/mexican with his own island/mu chat to/black mexican by multiple members of the DeKalb county police department, CID, SWAT, FBI, and DEA. [Dont you love being black and spanish!] There are things that the general public never hears.

Hey, I konw the race card is pulled way too much too, but people seem to thick it never happens. If someone comes in to a hosue to serve an arrrest warrant and the guy is hiding and a cop says "His black ass is right over there in the closet" dont you think the bystanders seem to wonder if him being tossed to the ground with a knee in his back is neccessary?

Everybody of color doesnt pull the race card. What makes you think that he would? That anyone else would? If never read this thread and your other post, I wouldnt have known he was black, and Ive been watching the news on chanel 2 for the past hour and a half

Brett
03-11-2005, 01:03 PM
Frank I dont doubt it happens, I know thier are bad cops just like thier are bad people in any profession.

But I hate to say this but there may be rules, But you know what?? Thi sguy raped his wife for days as he held her captiv, Then today kills a judge, a clerk and a deputy.... He had his day in court, now the rules dont apply, he didnt feel he had to obey any rules did he? So why should ANY cop follow a rule for his worthless life?

HyPer50
03-11-2005, 01:08 PM
WTF is mu chat to? I've heard of mulato, but never muchato..guess thats a black/mexican mix and mulato is black/white mix? *shrug*

Jaimecbr900
03-11-2005, 01:16 PM
Well, they dont have the right to shoot him armed or not or for the fact that he has killed 3 people. There are things like rules of engagement that must be followed, no matter how mad the officer behind the trigger is. You cant simply kill someone because they killed someone else, there are guidelines.

Actually, that's incorrect. "Rules of Engagement" is a military term and PD don't have it unless it's a SWAT situation. They have by now been briefed that the guy is armed and dangerous and therefore he will be dealt with in a felony situation. If he even accidentally sneezes, he's gonna get shot. And honestly, like I said before he would be getting what he deserves after what he did.


Do I think it is beyond officers being racist. Hell no. Ive been reffered to as a nigger by cops in SC and a spic/burrito boy/mexican with his own island/mu chat to/black mexican by multiple members of the DeKalb county police department, CID, SWAT, FBI, and DEA. [Dont you love being black and spanish!] There are things that the general public never hears.

I don't know you, so don't take this personally.....I'm a lot older than you and been around the block a time or two. I've thrown rocks in my day. I've never been put in a situation w/o merit. I screwed up, so I have to suck it up and man up. If you've been put in a situation where you were wrongly accused, you should take care of that civilly.


Hey, I konw the race card is pulled way too much too, but people seem to thick it never happens. If someone comes in to a hosue to serve an arrrest warrant and the guy is hiding and a cop says "His black ass is right over there in the closet" dont you think the bystanders seem to wonder if him being tossed to the ground with a knee in his back is neccessary?

Actually, yes it is. Police procedure has rules that state how and how hard they should subdue a suspect. Number 1, if they're coming to his house, there is a reason. Number 2, if he's hiding, he's hiding for a reason. So, why should police take it easy on him? Unless they knocked down the wrong door, which if he hid in the closet shows it wasn't, then they can control you by putting their knee in your back while cuffing you. If they keep it there for 30 mins or billie club you while cuffed, that's different. If he finds you hiding in a closet, YOU put yourself in that spot and situation. Take it like a man.

Situations like the one you describe have cost plenty of officer's their lives when that guy that doesn't want to go to jail comes flying out of the closet with a weapon. Then people would cry and say "why didn't they take him down right away???". Get my point?

Dynasty
03-11-2005, 01:17 PM
I dont ususally post but on this case, i have too. im new to hear. but i have a dear cousin of mine in syracuse who did some shit i couldnt even begin to explain. Now granted the man did very horrible things, but an eye for an eye is not how things should be handled. being a black male, we do get alot of shit from police, i mean who doesnt. Now i dont think because he killed those people and rape he should be killed if he is caught unarmed or anything, but if he is caught unarmed, a good beating would be COOL wit me. What he did was so fucking wrong, i cant even speak. But the law is the law, and trust me, ask my cousin. He will be made into a bitch when he gets to prison

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 01:21 PM
The cop said it in a smart way. Long story short, a spanish club I used to go to was raided because it was after hours and we all got treated like shit. So he said "Hey mu-cha-to, get over here", trying to say the word with slang since my skin is dark [im dominican and black, basically black and black, LOL]

Brett, I see what you are saying completely. None of us know the full situation, im sorry.

What if this guy snapped because he thought he was going to be convicted for something he didnt do? If someone told you that you would have to serve a 8 year felony rape charge and you didnt do it and they are about to tell you "Go with the Bailif [sp]" what would go through your head? What if the wife was lying? Maybe he snapped. If it was that cut and clear dry, why was there a mistrial?

We dont know if some cop there snapped thinking he raped his wife and tried to beat the shit out of the guy in the back cells and he grabbed the gun in self defense and when shit hit the fan, he realized he was screwed. I mean, its not that impossible. A little a while ago in ATL we had a cop who pulled people over beat and killed them and buried them out in the middle of nowhere while he was on duty. None of us know the entire story.

That aside, the police cant disreguard the law. If a cop kills him because they feel its justified, he is abusing his position of power. He is an officer, not a judge, not a DA, not a governer. An officer, one who is there to enforce the law, not execute its consequences. Its frustrating, true, but if people were more active in how situations like this were handled before they happened, then maybe it prevent something like this from happening. That is called being a vigiliante. If the law isnt working, work to get it changed so that it does

Jaimecbr900
03-11-2005, 01:23 PM
I dont ususally post but on this case, i have too. im new to hear. but i have a dear cousin of mine in syracuse who did some shit i couldnt even begin to explain. Now granted the man did very horrible things, but an eye for an eye is not how things should be handled. being a black male, we do get alot of shit from police, i mean who doesnt. Now i dont think because he killed those people and rape he should be killed if he is caught unarmed or anything, but if he is caught unarmed, a good beating would be COOL wit me. What he did was so fucking wrong, i cant even speak. But the law is the law, and trust me, ask my cousin. He will be made into a bitch when he gets to prison

Whatever he gets he deserves at this point. He is only thinking of himself. Why hasn't he picked up a phone and called his attorney and turned himself in to him? He's only worried about getting caught is why. He saw a little chance to get gone at the courthouse and he took it. In doing so, he killed 3 innocent people, hurt 1 severely, and beat and stole all across the city. Hell, even I was worried because my wife and daughter were at the Carter Center downtown in a school field trip this morning while all this was happening.

So if he wants sympathy.....tell him to find it in the dictionary between SHIT and SYPHILLIS. I have none for him.

Brett
03-11-2005, 01:25 PM
Sometime I just feel in these cases, This guy didnt feel the law applied to him, so why should it apply to him when the police find his ass?

I am ALL for an EYE FOR AN EYE!! Especially when you kill for no reason a Judge, Clerk and a Deputy outside. He didnt think the law applied to him then, He felt he was god and could choose to end thier lives, so the police should have the same right, Play god with his worthless life.

Kevykev
03-11-2005, 01:26 PM
for this particular incident it's possible..

but if he's killed most people would understand.....then again i could be wrong...

buy hey...homeboy took out 2 cops bro...

I don't really get bent out of shape over most issues

Bottom Line Is:
We're all human, and we look for explainations of events so we can sleep at night.

so go with whatever makes you comfortable, that's what people do anyway.

Jaimecbr900
03-11-2005, 01:37 PM
What if this guy snapped because he thought he was going to be convicted for something he didnt do? If someone told you that you would have to serve a 8 year felony rape charge and you didnt do it and they are about to tell you "Go with the Bailif [sp]" what would go through your head? What if the wife was lying? Maybe he snapped. If it was that cut and clear dry, why was there a mistrial?

What about the family of the judge that was simply doing his job? What about the court reporter doing hers? What about the sherrif deputy? What about the female officer he shot in the mouth? Where's the sympathy for them who are w/o a doubt innocent? If he snapped, he snapped. He'll also have to deal with the consequences then. If that means he gets shot, just like he shot innocent people this morning, then so be it. HE was the ONLY person that put him in that predicament. Not you, not me, HE did it to himself. Then he needs to deal with it, period. Again, we coddle criminals too much. He's now a criminal if he wasn't before. That shows his intelligence right there. If he wasn't guilty about anything before, he is NOW.


We dont know if some cop there snapped thinking he raped his wife and tried to beat the shit out of the guy in the back cells and he grabbed the gun in self defense and when shit hit the fan, he realized he was screwed. I mean, its not that impossible. A little a while ago in ATL we had a cop who pulled people over beat and killed them and buried them out in the middle of nowhere while he was on duty. None of us know the entire story.

Obviously, you walked into the middle of the story. He was out on BOND and not in some back cell. He was in street clothes because of that. No shackles, no cuffs. He was being escorted into the courtroom by sheriff's because the JUROR'S were scared of him. He happened to be led in just before the jury was called out and the re-trial started.

Again, where's the sympathy for the people he MURDERED in cold blood for no other reason than he was wanting to not go to jail?


That aside, the police cant disreguard the law. If a cop kills him because they feel its justified, he is abusing his position of power. He is an officer, not a judge, not a DA, not a governer. An officer, one who is there to enforce the law, not execute its consequences. Its frustrating, true, but if people were more active in how situations like this were handled before they happened, then maybe it prevent something like this from happening. That is called being a vigiliante. If the law isnt working, work to get it changed so that it does

A judge, DA, nor Governor can execute anyone either. A felony situation requires the arresting officers to do certain things. One of those things is to confront the suspect with guns drawn. This is where if this guy does something stupid, he'll get shot. Considering that he's not tried in the very least to turn himself in, he'll probably do just that. Something stupid.

Again, I have no sympathy for people that dig their own grave. If they are mentally retarded, that's one thing. If they are simply a low life, let them get what they deserve.

Brett
03-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Again, where's the sympathy for the people he MURDERED in cold blood for no other reason than he was wanting to not go to jail?

Thats the point I keep saying!! Already people try and make excuses of WHY HE DID THIS or what COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

Frank you seem to think the worst in every situation like this, to assume he did this cause some cop abused him before he came out. Why can it never be, The guy is a criminal, He has no regard for life, and his needs to be taken. Simple.

Dont try and make it out that all this shit happened to him or he is made this way by the system. He is a human which means he made his OWN choice.

HE KILLED 3 PEOPLE!!! 3 people that did NOTHING TO HIM!! So are you going to say the judge and court assistant beat him down behind the doors? C'Mon man. If this was a white guy who did this you know you wouldnt be looking for excuses on why he did what he did today, Youd say he was a crazy white man.

Regardless of his color, He killed 3 people who didnt deserve to die today, Simple.

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 01:47 PM
I don't know you, so don't take this personally.....I'm a lot older than you and been around the block a time or two. I've thrown rocks in my day. I've never been put in a situation w/o merit. I screwed up, so I have to suck it up and man up. If you've been put in a situation where you were wrongly accused, you should take care of that civilly.
I think age doesnt have much relevance. You want the story? I was at an after hours club in Atlanta. I walk in, 5 minutes later FBI, DEA, DPD, DCID, SWAT, ATF, INS, and Dekalb Gang Taskforce all raid the club. Everyone is put into zipties. Everyone is searched. Women are strip searched in front of men and vice cersa. Everyone has their ID ran to see if you have citizenship or warrants. Your car was searched before you could leave. In the process of all of this happening, everyone of the 500+ patrons were called every spanish racial slur in the book. Cant see why your reply would come out from me being called a bunch of racist names, but hey.


My whole point about the previous post was about the "His black ass" comment. It was a imaginery situation, but you never commented on that. You never commented on the racial slurs used against me in my previous post. So do you think its right or justified?


Maybe "Rules of Engagement" was not the proper term, but there are rules for confronting criminals. Im sorry, I dont care what anyone says, but you cant just shoot someone because they have already shot someone. The father of my good friends child shot a member of the SWAT team and barracaded the house. The caught him running out of the house. with the gun in his hand. There are bank robbers who cant get shot at, even when running out of the bank because they never pointed their weapon at the officer or at any innocent bystanders.

Brett
03-11-2005, 01:49 PM
My whole point about the previous post was about the "His black ass" comment. It was a imaginery situation, but you never commented on that. You never commented on the racial slurs used against me in my previous post. So do you think its right or justified?


Its never justified, I agree with you, Terms like that should not be used by any cop, even if he himself was black.

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 01:54 PM
Thats the point I keep saying!! Already people try and make excuses of WHY HE DID THIS or what COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

Frank you seem to think the worst in every situation like this, to assume he did this cause some cop abused him before he came out. Why can it never be, The guy is a criminal, He has no regard for life, and his needs to be taken. Simple.


In no way am I making excuses, but im saying put faith in the law. Vigelante justice doesnt work. Im just a free thinker. Im with everyone else, I wouldnt think twice if someone shot the shit out of him on site. But I keep an open mind. Supposedly he was supposed to require extra security because he was found with a shank on her his person. If someone was found with a shank, would you watch them a little more carefully? Nobody knows the full story, so we are all filling in the blanks

Im watching the news now

Reporter: Is there any leads
Some Guy: I do not have that information
Reporter: Any idea what car he is in now
Same Guy: I do not have that information
Reporter: Was he on bond or already in custody
Same Guy: I do not have that informatoin
Reporter: Any idea what happened to where he was able to take a deputys gun
Same Guy: I dont have that information

Yet we know that he deserves to die? LOL, how much faith do you all have in the law? Killing him on site is not the "legal" way to do it.

Brett
03-11-2005, 01:58 PM
I disagree in the part killing him on site int justified. He killed a judge, his assistant, and a cop, so he woudnt have to face up to what he was going to court for. The police to me have every right to shoot first... and dont ask any questions later. I have no tolerance for killers as you can see...lol

Darling Nikki
03-11-2005, 02:05 PM
I agree with you Brett, he needs to be killed, sorry but thats how it just going to be. He killed all those innocent people so FUCK HIM....he deserves what is about to happen to him...do you honestly think they could grab a hold of him even if they were to find out exactly where he is....and what does it even matter. I don't know if its changed, but as far as I know and correct me if I am wrong, but in the state of Georgia it states that killing a police officer automatically sentences you to death.

HyPer50
03-11-2005, 02:08 PM
What does you being screwed with by cops have to do with a rapist/murderer killing 3 people in cold blood? Make all the excuses you want for him, but it was cold blood.... WTF could the court typist of done to provoke him? nadda.

If they catch this man, I hope they shoot him. Although I have a feeling he is out of bullets now, otherwise I feel as if he would of shot the AJC reporter that he car jacked. I mean shit, if your going to kill 3 innocent people, why stop there? Your fucked either way... they can only give you the death sentance once.

Jaimecbr900
03-11-2005, 02:13 PM
I think age doesnt have much relevance. You want the story? I was at an after hours club in Atlanta. I walk in, 5 minutes later FBI, DEA, DPD, DCID, SWAT, ATF, INS, and Dekalb Gang Taskforce all raid the club. Everyone is put into zipties. Everyone is searched. Women are strip searched in front of men and vice cersa. Everyone has their ID ran to see if you have citizenship or warrants. Your car was searched before you could leave. In the process of all of this happening, everyone of the 500+ patrons were called every spanish racial slur in the book. Cant see why your reply would come out from me being called a bunch of racist names, but hey.

You obviously didn't understand what I was saying. Age does have relevance because I wasn't always a good guy. I've done wrong. I also sucked it up and paid for it. No, I wasn't a murderer or a drug dealer, but I paid based on what I did. That was my point.

Just like I suggested....instead of thinking that all cops are out to get you because you're black the rest of your life, maybe you should've sued them if you really felt offended so you could put it behind you. That was my suggestion before. If someone did something to you, take care of it. Don't hold it in you for the rest of your life.



My whole point about the previous post was about the "His black ass" comment. It was a imaginery situation, but you never commented on that. You never commented on the racial slurs used against me in my previous post. So do you think its right or justified?

That's a far cry from killing somebody. Calling someone names does not warrant murder. Even if the lady sheriff called this guy every name in the book, it does not give him the right to shoot her, the judge, the reporter, another sheriff, beat people driving by to steal their car, and taken off. It seems you think he's justified for doing that.......I totally dissagree. He's a criminal now and should be treated as such. HE by himself made himself that criminal, so he's the only that can be blamed for anything that happens to him from now on.



Maybe "Rules of Engagement" was not the proper term, but there are rules for confronting criminals. Im sorry, I dont care what anyone says, but you cant just shoot someone because they have already shot someone. The father of my good friends child shot a member of the SWAT team and barracaded the house. The caught him running out of the house. with the gun in his hand. There are bank robbers who cant get shot at, even when running out of the bank because they never pointed their weapon at the officer or at any innocent bystanders.

Let me put it this way.....if I was in my car downtown and he tried to car jack me with a gun in his hand......I would definetly try my hardest to plant all 14 of my buddies right in the middle of his chest. Then I would go to court like a man and if 12 of my peers thought I wasn't justified, then I'd suck it up and take my medicine.

Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. ;)

JoeCoolinATL
03-11-2005, 02:49 PM
my view on this is he didnt just "try to get outta going to jail for some reason"
he EXECUTED OFFICERS. one the deputies was shot in the back of the head according to the news. after the guy had already shot others and had other people in the courtroom (at gunpoint ) handcuff each other. (im going on this strictly from what ive heard on the news) then walked up after he shot them and shot and killed the judge.
shooting someone in the back of the head is executing them. not some random point in their direction and shoot.
therefore. we know hes going to be shot and killed in a firefight with police. why?
no cops arent going to run in and shoot first. as much as most of the probaly want to. someone whose done this then shot another deputy on the way out isnt going to let officers take him alive. i will bet anything that when he is cornered hes either going to draw his weapon and then get shot or start shooting and then be killed by return fire from police.

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 02:55 PM
Age does have relevance because I wasn't always a good guy. I've done wrong. I also sucked it up and paid for it. No, I wasn't a murderer or a drug dealer, but I paid based on what I did. That was my point.

Why would you bring that up? What did I do besides go to a club? Where would that even come from? And to be honest, nobody has even said that the cops were wrong for saying shit like that, or treating people like that! LOL, I dont care really, but its funny what people like to point out.


Just like I suggested....instead of thinking that all cops are out to get you because you're black the rest of your life, maybe you should've sued them if you really felt offended so you could put it behind you. That was my suggestion before. If someone did something to you, take care of it. Don't hold it in you for the rest of your life.

Slow down. Your making way too many assumptions about me. I have no problems with the law whatsoever. Check the window tint thread since half the board is now gone and look at my opinion of the police. Dont make assumptions that Im "an angry black man" or that Im thinking that all cops are out to get me because Im black." I know the job is one that is complex, but the truth it being a judge, jury, and executioner isnt part of the job description, and I dont know one cop who has been trained and is qualified to be all three.


Even if the lady sheriff called this guy every name in the book, it does not give him the right to shoot her, the judge, the reporter, another sheriff, beat people driving by to steal their car, and taken off. It seems you think he's justified for doing that.......I totally dissagree. You are either making up your own words or misunderstanding mine. This topic was started on the race card. My point was if someone uses racist slurs in the process of an arrest, then their intetions look questionable. That was my point. Please quote where I said that its ok for someone to take a life based on being called names.


All im saying is we dont know shit. Nobody in here knows shit about the situation except for 3 bodies down. The same way that people were all rowdy when an atlanta cop was supposedly beaten and the suspect escaped and come to find out he was kidnapping people he pulled over. Something else I said and nobody commented on...

Jaimecbr900
03-11-2005, 03:20 PM
Where would that even come from? And to be honest, nobody has even said that the cops were wrong for saying shit like that, or treating people like that! LOL, I dont care really, but its funny what people like to point out.

I didn't bring up anything about any club. You did as an example of how some cops are racist because they called you and 500 others "muchato". So if not to show how police are racists and wrong, why did you bring it up then?




Slow down. Your making way too many assumptions about me. I have no problems with the law whatsoever. Check the window tint thread since half the board is now gone and look at my opinion of the police. Dont make assumptions that Im "an angry black man" or that Im thinking that all cops are out to get me because Im black." I know the job is one that is complex, but the truth it being a judge, jury, and executioner isnt part of the job description, and I dont know one cop who has been trained and is qualified to be all three.

I'm not making any assumptions. I simply responded to what you said. You came up, without obviously knowing the whole story yourself, with a bunch of different possible "reasons" why this guy killed 3 people. I simply am telling you that there is NO EXCUSE OR REASON that will justify what he did. If you disagree, then tell me why.


You are either making up your own words or misunderstanding mine. This topic was started on the race card. My point was if someone uses racist slurs in the process of an arrest, then their intetions look questionable. That was my point. Please quote where I said that its ok for someone to take a life based on being called names.

I don't think I'm misunderstanding at all. Even a sentence later you admit that if an officer uses "slurs" while arresting someone, their "intentions" are questionable. I'm telling you instead of looking at it as half empty, look at it as half full. Why is the person being arrested in the first place? Does the officer calling them names change that? THAT is my point. The officer calling someone a name is no where near as bad, 99.9% of the time, as what the criminal being arrested DID. No, it doesn't make them calling people right, but neither does it negate the fact that someone was a criminal. Get it? In other words, it's smoke and mirrors. Kinda like a criminal wanting to sue a home owner because he cut himself on a window while he was burglarizing their house.......HUH??? How in the hell can someone blame something that happens to them while doing something WRONG on someone or something else. THAT is my point. Get it now?



All im saying is we dont know shit. Nobody in here knows shit about the situation except for 3 bodies down.

Actually, what else do you need to know?

He was not wanting to go to jail....that doesn't justify murder.
He was not wanting to go to trial.....that doesn't justify murder.
He was pissed at the world....that doesn't justify murder.

I still don't see ANY angle at which he was even remotely justified, nor do I see how you could defend him in any way since the facts that you do know will never be refuted or justified. I don't get it.

This guy was not sipping tea in front of his TV and the police came in guns blazing and shot at him for no reason......this guy was CHARGED with RAPE, KIDNAPPING, and a few other felonies. He was on the way to his day in court. Not the gallows. His day in court. He already had a mistrial once. He knows what they have against him and what they don't. All this is facts.

Now, how is it that anyone in their right mind can defend this guy when he was A: given his day(s) in court to defend himself, B: NOT treated like a criminal (he was out on bond and wearing his own clothes and walked into court on his own), C: instead of letting the system take it's course, he murders 3 INNOCENT PEOPLE, critically injures another, car-jacks 3 people, steals cars, runs from police, still in hiding, and all the while IF he's being persecuted wrongly HASN'T bothered to pick a phone and call someone to try and tell his side of the story.

Seems to me pretty open and shut.

You see it different? If so, how?

Jaimecbr900
03-11-2005, 03:42 PM
One more thing to further support no mercy for this guy:

They just reported that he broke in to the ex's house and bound her with duct tape. Brought a cooler into the house and told her he would be there for the next 3 days (until her birthday). He had a loaded gun with him. He raped her repeatedly during those 3 days. They found, previously, a "shank" in this guy's socks inside the courtroom when they were transporting him to jail.

speedracer41
03-11-2005, 04:03 PM
There was an incident a couple of years ago were a black man who was wanted for murder was shot and killed by a black and a white cop and the race card was pulled, even though a black cop was involved. I hope this guy is cought alive so he will get the chair.

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 04:52 PM
Im not here trying to defend say he is not guilty or he was justified in killing. My point was that leave the decision of if she should live or die up to the courts, thats it. The police LEGALLY dont have the right to take his life, shoot on site, whatever, that is all that Im saying.

I am also saying that none of us know the situation. You posted that he walked in to court by his own free will out on bond. Im going from reports from Channel 2, thats the only station Ive been watching for consitancy, but they said he was already in custody and had no bond. I said what I said about the police bashing him, etc. to show that we may not know situations if full. Any type of situation could have happened that drove him to this.


I didn't bring up anything about any club. You did as an example of how some cops are racist because they called you and 500 others "muchato". So if not to show how police are racists and wrong, why did you bring it up then?

I dont have a "All cops are wrong" attitude at all. I have a real life view on that things can happen and the police have more control over your life than you do. Hope you dont have a racist cop, all I can say. You tried to make it like I think all the police are against me and good for nothing, no not at all. But there are racist cops, and I cant stand when people act like that is impossible or extremely rare.

I brought it up because there was more to my story than being called all types of racist slurs. When you have an entire unit of people made up all types of all these law enforcement agencies in GA calling every spanish person there pepe, migo, taco man, or saying things like "I need new gloves, my hand is smelling like burrito juice", you get offended it. Where is your outrage there? But that average person says "Yea, people always throwing the race card"

Especially when those cops did things like illegal searches. When you have male officers searching women, female officers pulling down other females panties in front of a room fool of men nothing is wrong. Especially when the only thing that person did was go to a club. I mean, if all of those people bust into Loca Luna or Toungue&Groove one weekend same result right? Or maybe people think they can get away with more with spanish people because they wont tell or are seen as a "lesser race"... Hmmm...

You dont think somethign is race provoked when you have an entire club with 500+ people ran for warrants and citizenship? Oh yea, but thats not racist, or at the least nobodys rights were violated. If were spanish that night you were treated less than human. People pissing and shitting on themselves because they werent allowed to go to the bathroom after 3-4 hours with their hands behind their back.

Your sick and tired of hearing black people say that things happen because of race? I get sick and tired of white people thinking that that this world is so happy and serene. How can white people really say that black and hispanics dont get discriminated against? When is the last time you went to a nice upscale store as a black man? When is the last time you got pulled over as a black man? When is the last time you EVER been in the prescence of an officer and they thought you dont speak english? Every time something is called racially motivated its "Here goes the old race card again". Im sick of this shit, I dont care who online or off gets pissed about it.

Yea, bullshit is brought into it, but believe it or not, racist shit does happen sometimes! Ive had friends ride in the car with me and they say "Why do you freeze up put your hands on the wheel, speak slow, roll down your windows, etc." when getting pulled over. That seems so crazy and foriegn to them. People will never understand

I was called a nigger by another student in school when I was young, and I had my teachers and prinicipal tell me and my parents that its a legitmate word to mean someone ignorant so he was just using a different word to say the same thing. All the black kids I knew in highschool got kicked out from everything from 1 fight to someone accusing them of theft and they had scissors so they accused possession of a deadly weapon.

Fuck that.

I imagine most of you are white, and I get so tired when people say "Oh, people are going to pull the race card" before race is even an issue. Nobody even said anything about race, hell I found out he was black from a white guy before the news. Im black and spanish, and at this moment in time every person in my family is home and we didnt think about race until we finally saw his picture and was like "Damn, hes black".


I'm telling you instead of looking at it as half empty, look at it as half full. Why is the person being arrested in the first place? Does the officer calling them names change that? THAT is my point. The officer calling someone a name is no where near as bad, 99.9% of the time, as what the criminal being arrested DID.
I swear, I love this thinking. Ever see the movie colors? That reminds me of the cop PacMan. Making an arrest and taking the extra step to make it a little bit more of hell for that person. These people are [b]INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. So calling a racist slur is worst when 99% of the time some of these people who are arrested end up with cases that are false arrest/not guilty/NOLO/reindictments. That rate isnt just .1 percent.

You say sue and handle thing like my club situation civily. Why when the world has people who think along the same lines exactly how you typed. If you are in those cuffs good chance you done the crime and deserve to be there.

Brett
03-11-2005, 04:53 PM
I hope about 10 cops open fire on him at once

Scrappy
03-11-2005, 04:54 PM
the police do have legal rights by higher athorities to shot suspect when found, and i am so for it for this ONE situation...

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 04:55 PM
There was an incident a couple of years ago were a black man who was wanted for murder was shot and killed by a black and a white cop and the race card was pulled, even though a black cop was involved.

Yea, because its so impossible for black people to hate other people because they are black..

Can anyone name some times where race was a factor besides situations in the 1960s?

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 04:55 PM
the police do have legal rights by higher athorities to shot suspect when found, and i am so for it for this ONE situation...

According to who?

Scrappy
03-11-2005, 04:56 PM
i swear to fucking god you didnt read what brett posted... this is not a huge racial dispute and you have made it one...

Scrappy
03-11-2005, 04:57 PM
according to a hall county sherriff deputy that i just talked to... :2up: and i believe he knows the books pretty well...

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 04:59 PM
Are you retarded? I read the first post. Brett said that if he killed is killed by a white cop then the race card will more than likely be drawn. I said that its a possibility mainly because you cant just shoot a person because he killed someone else, there are rules that must be followed. Thats my rule, thats the governments rule. So where did this shoot-to-kill authority come from?

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 05:00 PM
Well if someone else gave that operation, woopidity doo, go right ahead! But the law works to the point that if person B kills person A, you cant just see person B on the street and shoot the shit out of him. Point blank

Scrappy
03-11-2005, 05:04 PM
no shit smart one i said for this ONE situation. and not like we are going to see him on the streets... he has some brains like i stated. back the fuck down and quit being so hostile towards me cause he didnt just KILL one person...

Mike Lowrey
03-11-2005, 05:32 PM
Well, reading through this was very interesting.

Frank, You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about cops in general. Yes, there are bad people, racists, murderers, etc. Not all people are like this. The things this man did were unspeakable. I agree that the cops should, doing their job, seek a peaceful outcome to the capture of this person. I also feel that if he resists in any way, with a weapon, he should go down. End of story.

Too many people seem to want to treat felons better than the rest of the public who do not commit crimes. Criminals are being let out too early, given sentences that are too easy. This does not deter them from doing it again.

Jaimecbr900
03-11-2005, 05:36 PM
Im not here trying to defend say he is not guilty or he was justified in killing. My point was that leave the decision of if she should live or die up to the courts, thats it. The police LEGALLY dont have the right to take his life, shoot on site, whatever, that is all that Im saying.

You don't get it do you? Who did HE leave the decision up to when he pulled the trigger while pointing the gun at those innocent people???? WHO? He was in the process of having his day in court. HE didn't want it because he figured he was gonna go to jail anyway. HIS problem. Those innocent people did nothing but their JOB today. Did they deserve to be murdered? I still don't get how any amount of his sob "story" is going to justify that. I don't get it. He obviously is not concerned about "legalities" when he decided to do what he did. My point is: Why try and afford a criminal options and privilages HE/SHE don't afford their victims? Why???


Any type of situation could have happened that drove him to this.

And the price of tea in China is? Again, you're trying to be the bleeding heart for someone that no matter which angle you look at it from IS NOT JUSTIFIED. Why is that so hard for you to admit? This is where my "you have unresolved issues with Police" comes from. You keep trying to gloss over and sweep under the rug that the guy is now a MURDERER. No matter which way you slice it, that's a known fact now. If the shootout happened at his house, on his property, while he was peacefully minding his business, I could understand. This guy was being tried and headed to the pen like the criminal he is. The only difference is that today he escalated that into a BIG TIME criminal. Yet, you still try to say that there is this magical other story that will somehow explain what he did. Is that going to change that he KILLED 3 people in cold blood? NO!!! So, personally, I'd tell him to stick the story and excuses up his ass cause I wouldn't want to hear them.



I brought it up because there was more to my story than being called all types of racist slurs. When you have an entire unit of people made up all types of all these law enforcement agencies in GA calling every spanish person there pepe, migo, taco man, or saying things like "I need new gloves, my hand is smelling like burrito juice", you get offended it. Where is your outrage there? But that average person says "Yea, people always throwing the race card"

Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't know. I'm just as Spanish as you are. I'm Puerto Rican. I was a citizen the second I was born eventhough I wasn't born in the States per se. I've been asked for my "green card" plenty of times by ignorant people for various reasons. I've been called Mexican, taco, etc. a bunch of times. I've had GF's parents kick me out of their house when they laid eyes on me.

So let me be sure you don't mistake me for someone that just fell off the turnip truck. I've met and dealt with racism too. Point? I don't hold that against every redneck I meet. I don't hold that against every Black person I meet. I don't hold that against any White person I meet. There are ignorant people everywhere in every color. So, don't sit there and assume I wouldn't find something offending or not. But being offended doesn't give me a reason to KILL somebody. Being offended doesn't change the fact that if I kill somebody, I should get killed myself. So, based on your way of thinking, if a racist cop made this guy go off, it some how suddenly wins him a fair and speedy trial??? BS. I say give him the same exact courtesy he gave the people he murdered w/o a second thought or a second chance.

What's racism or race cards or hurt feelings or the bleeding hearts have to do with that?


Especially when those cops did things like illegal searches. When you have male officers searching women, female officers pulling down other females panties in front of a room fool of men nothing is wrong. Especially when the only thing that person did was go to a club. I mean, if all of those people bust into Loca Luna or Toungue&Groove one weekend same result right? Or maybe people think they can get away with more with spanish people because they wont tell or are seen as a "lesser race"... Hmmm...

You dont think somethign is race provoked when you have an entire club with 500+ people ran for warrants and citizenship? Oh yea, but thats not racist, or at the least nobodys rights were violated. If were spanish that night you were treated less than human. People pissing and shitting on themselves because they werent allowed to go to the bathroom after 3-4 hours with their hands behind their back.

Your sick and tired of hearing black people say that things happen because of race? I get sick and tired of white people thinking that that this world is so happy and serene. How can white people really say that black and hispanics dont get discriminated against? When is the last time you went to a nice upscale store as a black man? When is the last time you got pulled over as a black man? When is the last time you EVER been in the prescence of an officer and they thought you dont speak english? Every time something is called racially motivated its "Here goes the old race card again". Im sick of this shit, I dont care who online or off gets pissed about it.

Yea, bullshit is brought into it, but believe it or not, racist shit does happen sometimes! Ive had friends ride in the car with me and they say "Why do you freeze up put your hands on the wheel, speak slow, roll down your windows, etc." when getting pulled over. That seems so crazy and foriegn to them. People will never understand

You obviously don't know anything about me.

My whole business is centered around helping people, especially mi gente. I have catered to the Hispanic segment here in Atlanta for over 10 yrs. The difference is I don't wear my race on my shoulder like a chip. I can speak English better than most people that were born here. I write it just as well or better too. I can speak and write my native language too. If people like me or don't like me is up to them. If they want to base that on race, more power to them. If they want to base it on me being an ass, good for them.

You obviously have unresolved issues with something. You've mentioned this club incident like 10 times already. If you truly feel that you were wronged, then do something about it. If you don't want to, that's your perrogative. But when you sit there and talk to me like I don't know what racism is or what it isn't, that's crap.

My point was simple. This has and should not have anything to do with racism. The guy is a low life that killed 3 innocent people. I don't care what color he is. This sentence ^^^^ is all I need to know. He can cry me a river for all I care. He had choices. The dead people now don't thanks to him.



I swear, I love this thinking. Ever see the movie colors? That reminds me of the cop PacMan. Making an arrest and taking the extra step to make it a little bit more of hell for that person. These people are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. So calling a racist slur is worst when 99% of the time some of these people who are arrested end up with cases that are false arrest/not guilty/NOLO/reindictments. That rate isnt just .1 percent.


#1 NOLO stands for Nolocontendre, which means no contest. In the eyes of the law, that is just as if you have plead guilty. As a matter of time, the only break you'll get for pleading NOLO is on your record and not your sentence. So, if someone pleads NOLO it is NOT a sign that there was no case. It's actually the opposite. The defendant choses to take the easier way out, right or wrong, instead of proceeding with a trial.

Now, as to your stats of 99% of arrests that have racial slurs get thrown out....I don't know if the figures are right or not. My point was not that the police are right or wrong for being disrespectful. My point was that doesn't negate that someone is a criminal and deserves what they get.

Let me give you a perfect example brought down to scale:

My best friend was dropping her kids off at school the other morning. She drives a Yukon. Bright red. There is another SUV next to her up against the opposing curb dropping their kids off at school. This lady decides that since she is in a hurry, she will try to squeeze between them. She hits my best friends car. My best friend jumps out and is understandably pissed because the lady only had to wait a few more secs and it wouldn't of even happened.

The lady then smuggly tells my best friend, after a few words were exchanged, that she didn't have to be so ugly about it. WHAT????? SHE hit the car and wants someone to be nice about it????? How is being "nice" about it gonna change the fact that it was HER stupidity that caused the accident?????? It isn't is it? Well, the same thing happens when all these bleeding hearts and whiners complain about getting their feelings hurt while they were being arrested for selling drugs to little kids....... :jerkit: Whatever.

JoeCoolinATL
03-11-2005, 05:38 PM
theres always a few bad apples in every bunch. ive been ticketed 26 times, ive been pulled over more than 50 times, ive been arrested. do i hold it against any cop? not a bit. they are out there putting their lives in the line of fire every day for us.

Jaimecbr900
03-11-2005, 05:40 PM
Well, reading through this was very interesting.

Frank, You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about cops in general.

See how I'm not the only one that noticed the same thing Frank?



Yes, there are bad people, racists, murderers, etc. Not all people are like this. The things this man did were unspeakable. I agree that the cops should, doing their job, seek a peaceful outcome to the capture of this person. I also feel that if he resists in any way, with a weapon, he should go down. End of story.

Too many people seem to want to treat felons better than the rest of the public who do not commit crimes. Criminals are being let out too early, given sentences that are too easy. This does not deter them from doing it again.

Exactly. :goodjob:

Scrappy
03-11-2005, 05:42 PM
rich is smart :D

Leisa
03-11-2005, 05:46 PM
Well, reading through this was very interesting.

Frank, You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about cops in general. Yes, there are bad people, racists, murderers, etc. Not all people are like this. The things this man did were unspeakable. I agree that the cops should, doing their job, seek a peaceful outcome to the capture of this person. I also feel that if he resists in any way, with a weapon, he should go down. End of story.

Too many people seem to want to treat felons better than the rest of the public who do not commit crimes. Criminals are being let out too early, given sentences that are too easy. This does not deter them from doing it again.


I agree with this 100%!!! Criminals are getting off way to easy nowaday, being let out on probation, etc.... I honestly beleive that if you do the crime you should do the time to the full degree... If cops were to find this guy I can assure you that he will either A. blow his own head off.,.. or B. make a scene and have to be shot..... its not going to be a pretty site either way. He deserves everything he gets times 3... he killed 3 innocent people with his stupidy...

Brett
03-11-2005, 05:49 PM
Frank, Im with them on that issue for sure, You have ALWAYS in your posts come across as you have a huge chip on your shoulder about police and the law. You have posted many times about all the shit that has happened to you and your friends with the police..... Man something is up if all this shit happens to you and your friends if you all are always innocent, and Im sorry, You being black is not a reason every cop is going to give you and your friends the shit you say they do.

I am friends with MANY black people and they have never had problems with the police. So why do they pick on you? You keep saying we have to know the facts before judging this guy, I mean shit... Is him taking over a woman and beating her head into the ground to the point she substained brain injuries ( The one they thought at first who was shot ) and then taking her gun and leaving her to die ( Im sure he figured she would ) and then walk into the court instead of running and leaving the courthouse, he shoots the judge and his assistant..... Then runs out side stops, and shoot the deputy chasing him killing him... then car jacking several cars within minutes and pistol whipping one of them for sure and leaving that guy needing stiches. But you dont seem to see he is in the wrong, and you keep wanting to make excuses for him and even trying to suggest he was beaten behind closed doors and this is why he was like this. Be honest, please..... If he wasnt black you would say fuck him, let him get what he deserves, But because he is black you are going to try and fill your head and ours with every excuse to make him look like he had a reason. Do you hate the world and the law that much man? You and I have ALWAYS had good debates, But you keep sticking up for this guy and I cant begin to figure out why.

It doesnt matter Frank if he is black, White, Mexican, Chinese, etc.... WE DONT CARE AND WE ARENT JUDGING THIS GUY FOR THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN!! He rped his wife for several days and killed cops and judges, What more does he have to do in your eyes before you stop trying to blame society for the way he is?

Tracy
03-11-2005, 05:49 PM
Jaime, You are so smart and I love you!!! You really know how to organize your thoughts and get your point across. I wish I was like you!!! Ok maybe not that last part, but the rest I still think!! :D

Brett
03-11-2005, 05:52 PM
Another thing, If we started treating criminals as they are we would have never had today happen. Instead of them coming in and standing trial handcuffed and in prison clothes, we "TO MAKE IT EASIER ON THE CRIMINALS" let them wear street clothes and no cuffs ot restraints. But go for fucking bid these people look like criminals when they go on trial.

Scrappy
03-11-2005, 05:54 PM
i dont understand your last sentence bert but i am with you all the way...

Leisa
03-11-2005, 05:56 PM
He was saying God Forbid that the criminals look like criminals when they go on trial.. they actually get to wear street clothes

Brett
03-11-2005, 05:57 PM
i dont understand your last sentence bert but i am with you all the way...

Basically when these people come into a court room the state lets them wear street clothes so they dont come in in cuffs and prison clothes ( They are afraid it would affect a jury's choice ) So my last sentence is saying let them come in like that looking like a criminal, atleast the people in the court room are safe when they are cuffed and in state clothes. In street clothes he blended in right away the moment he left the building.

Scrappy
03-11-2005, 06:00 PM
k thanks... :( my bad... but that is true... i swear people like frank are ones that get to me... if MYSELF went out and raped (if possible) another person, killed A JUDGE!, police and other humans because i didnt want to go to jail and get ass raped and beat because i am a petit blonde one they want... i would EXPECT to be put in jail and my family know becuase i got shot by a black person it wasnt racial... should be the same here... if i were the one to shoot him i would say on camera "damn straight i shot him because he is ignorant and inhumane... (spell)

Scrappy
03-11-2005, 06:01 PM
Basically when these people come into a court room the state lets them wear street clothes so they dont come in in cuffs and prison clothes ( They are afraid it would affect a jury's choice ) So my last sentence is saying let them come in like that looking like a criminal, atleast the people in the court room are safe when they are cuffed and in state clothes. In street clothes he blended in right away the moment he left the building.


with you on that now that i got a full explanation...

JITB
03-11-2005, 06:11 PM
why is this even being discussed? Nobody pulls the race card on maniacs like this guy. BUt it has happen were innocent african americans were shot by white cops. Regardless of why they shot him. it iwll always be a white/black thing. Even if a black guy kills a white person or is accused of doing so. Its a given that the suspect will catch hell in a court room. Everyoen knows that cop killers get shot at or killed.

Kevykev
03-11-2005, 06:29 PM
^^ Tru tru

lots of different perspective to view this from.

T-Mo Goodie
03-11-2005, 07:20 PM
I totally think that the guy who did this should get everything thats coming. Now my problem with this thread (and I read it all) is WHY did Brett have to start it out by saying what he said in the first place. To me, it was a slap in the face because it almost seemed as if you were saying that in most situations, blacks will throw up the race card if a white officer was involved.

Most of time when the race card is thrown in, it needed to be. Shit, some of you surburban living folks just don't get out enough.

Brett
03-11-2005, 07:24 PM
The topic was asking why cant people accept what happens to a person REGARDLESS OF RACE. You do the crime, you get the punishment no matter what it is. Simple. You want to take it as a racial issue, Thats your own problem, I made it quite clear it wasnt and everyone who has posted in this until you came along has not questioned it, because they all know me personally and know thats not what this is about.

T-Mo Goodie
03-11-2005, 07:36 PM
"Who is willing to bet by the end of the day you will have groups starting lawsuits saying "He was killed because he was black, A white cop killed him for no reason" but yet you wont see these same people bitch that he just killed 3 white or black people, That doesnt matter..... does it?"

I understand what you were trying to say, and maybe I missed a tread or two before it even bringing this thought into your mind. I just was wondering, why it started out like it did in the first place. I by no means think you are racist. I was just wondering WHY you were even thinking like that in the first place. Who was to say that a white officer will be the one to kill him?? Tell me a situation TO THIS EXTREME, where activist groups stepped in and defended the suspect???? What I am saying is, from the get go, I don't think ANYONE black is thinking of standing aside this bastard. That's all.

Brett
03-11-2005, 07:42 PM
The reason I thought it was this..... He kills 3 people and 1 was a judge and one was a cop... So if they find him, You can bet there will be some trigger happy cops there, a gun fires and kills him... Lets say by chance it ends up a white cop did it.. You will see every group on the news the very next day crying out it was racial.

I see it on the news every week. People try and use the race card all the time when it comes to this shit, It just gets old after a while. Read a few of the examples a few people used and you will understand more where I am coming from on this, But im glad you know im not a racist and I am not trying to start any race shit, Just stating after a while the shit gets old.

No matter what color someone is, they commit the crime, They need to pay the price, in this case, If this guy was white/Chinese/whatever..... I want to see a cop pull the trigger on this man without reason to do it.

Scrappy
03-11-2005, 07:43 PM
umm obviously you havent read one person on heres posts... hes defending him saying he could do worse and the reasons he has done the things he has was cause of his race... who you calling a bastard? just wondering

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 07:48 PM
Chip on my shoulder? Anyone who knows me beyond a couple words on a screen just knows that I dont do police. If Im pulled over I dont say to my friends "Oh, this fucking pig just swooped on me because Im black, down with the man!". If Im speeding, damn, Im speeding, get the ticket, buck it up. You have never seen me call the cops pigs, pricks and dicks, none of that. I have problems with the law because I say its not impossible for a cop to be racist? LOL, only in GA.

Why do I get harrassed by the police so much? One reason I know for a fact is that I stand out. I drive a lexus and have owned an Aprilia Mille R but I am too young to rent a car at the airport. None of mommys money. Ive sat down and ate at restaurants like Chops, Lobster Bar, and Ruth Chris before I was legal drinking age and people do the same things you see in movies. Ever go to eat and have somone tell me you the average price of a meal when you enter or ask to pay upfront when you order. All my life since I was first able to work Ive always saved so I can have some things nicer than the average person. When I moved to GA, I see people by some of the same things I like. But its like I am the only one gets pulled over, stopped and questioned, car VIN checked, car searched and researched.

So how am I wrong there? Am I not supposed to have nice things if I work hard for them? I get looked at multiple times because of people judging a book by its cover. Am I supposed to dress and talk and act like everyone else? Im not loud when I talk, but I talk with a up-north accent. I wear Sean John and Phat Farm instead of Abercrombie and Finch. I moved to GA and used to catch it from everyone. I stand out. I am who I am. I have to change who I am? I have to bleech my skin? Take down all of my flags?

When people who havent had as many situations as I act like everything is cupcakes I get offended. I have a good good good Cuban friend who moved here from Tampa. You would never in our life guess he was Cuban, looks like your average UGA college boy. He will tell you quicker than anyone else that there is a difference. Like I said many times over, how can someone white gripe over things like racial profiling and "the race card"? Never am I saying that use race as a crutch, but realize that you must work a bit harder than the next man to make it to their same position.

I would need reams and reams of paper to write about every situation that I or my family has encountered. HOw can I not help but think about things like
my father being called a nigger at work and he goes through the proper avenues of reporting it and nothing happens. Yet, Im the upitity guy that always has a couple pennies to toss when something racial happens.

I respect police officers. Even recently in Creative Loafing there was an article about the "Californication" of Georgia which touched on issues similiar that Ive been through. Being hispanic in the US is hard, and you are seen as less than human.

Your Puerto Rican? So would you outraged by someone calling you a burrito brother, or calling your kids little border jumpers? My grandfather looked white, played the white role. My mother looks black, she played the black role all of her life because she felt its a lot better being considered black than dominican [just another mexican to most]. It worked for them because there is a difference. I work in the club business. I go to clubs like Wild Bills and I am amazed at how things like fights are handled there, compared to how some of the securities and police react at the spanish clubs. I dont know what type of events or activities you go to, but next time you go out, take a look.

Ive never said that its impossible to prosper in society being a minority, but there is a difference. Its seems like I have a problem because I talk about it! So many people get pissed when I talk about how let cops do their job and get out their way, but I guess that is all forgotten now. Whatever... Of course, we are in America, racism doesnt exist. Its impossible, its like crushing an egg with one hand. Everybody who gets the short end of the stick and says because they are black, brown, yellow or orange is making it up. That one guy in Texas, deserved to be dragged by a truck. That one haitan guy in NY who was shot with over 20 odd shell reaching for his wallet by 3 cops, hey, dumbass should have learned english before getting off that damn boat! The clan rallys and Neo Nazi events here in GA as recent as 2003, those guys are faking the hate!

And criminals are being let off too easy? How many of you have actually been locked up? How many of you have served 15 year sentences? Think about where you were 15 years ago. Do you think a man can go back into society after living in a state prison for even 5 years? Every night fearing rape? Being in a room the size of your bathrooms 20 hours a day? Man, being locked up is something that cant be described. And they dont lock medium criminals up with big criminals, understand? The guy that is there for DUI is locked up with the guy for murder. The guy from forgery with the guy for sodomy, the guy for insurance fraud is there with the guy for armed robbery. So who do you think the ones who are getting "Butt Raped" are?

Then think about it, a lot of these criminals cant serve life in jail. What type of citizens are getting released from these jails? Citizens who have lived based on the laws of survival, not the laws of the county. Do you know how hard it is to get a decent job with a felony record? One that makes it possible to pay $123/mo in probation and find somewhere to stay? What if you have kids? A sickness? And you cant find anything for more than $6/hr? Is that person omre likely to take up the $6/hr job or trying one of the ways of making money he learned while in jail, like selling drugs? Hmm... There is more to it than just locking people up. I think the current penal system is all messed up. But I guess I will be criticized for being too kind to criminals, but my point is that just throwing people in a box doesnt work. The system needs reworking. Things like NOLO/1st Offender need to expunge arrest when the terms are finished seeing that A NO LO OR 1st OFFENDERS PLEA IS NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT. Look it up, dont assume it.

Scrappy
03-11-2005, 07:50 PM
dude you are way into yourself on this... most of what you typed means shit to what was at topic... what does hourly pay have to do with who killed who and who should be shot and not called for racial stuff... either that or i have missed your reasoning

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 07:54 PM
umm obviously you havent read one person on heres posts... hes defending him saying he could do worse and the reasons he has done the things he has was cause of his race... who you calling a bastard? just wondering

Who said that the reason he is doing it is beacuse of his race? I guess I missed that post.

t-mo, i feel you. I wasnt even thinking abotu the guys race, and didnt know he was black until brett posted, even after following it in the news. My whole point, who says there is no race card issues? People act like everything is so peachy

AND FOR MY POST BEFORE THIS, DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! IM SAYING JAIL IS A CRAZY PLACE, NOT THAT THE SHOOTER TODAY DOESNT DESERVE JAIL! I HAVE SAID TONS OF TIMES THROUGH THIS THREAD THAT HE WAS WRONG AND I BELIEVE HE NEEDS TO BE SHOT, BUT GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS FIRST! I AM NOT SAYING THAT HE DOESNT DESERVE JAIL! I AM SLIGHTLY SWAYING FROM TOPIC! I AM SAYING THAT THE CURRENT PENAL SYSTEM NEEDS WORK! DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND MAKE ASSUMPTIONS

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 07:55 PM
dude you are way into yourself on this... most of what you typed means shit to what was at topic... what does hourly pay have to do with who killed who and who should be shot and not called for racial stuff... either that or i have missed your reasoning

Im sorry, but you are as dumb as the girl in your avatar. Is there an ignore button for the forum?

T-Mo Goodie
03-11-2005, 08:00 PM
umm obviously you havent read one person on heres posts... hes defending him saying he could do worse and the reasons he has done the things he has was cause of his race... who you calling a bastard? just wondering

Read what I said again........when I said 'bastard' I was refering to the fucker that killed these people today. No one in their right mind would stand up for this guy saying hes innocent.

Brett
03-11-2005, 08:01 PM
Chip on my shoulder? Anyone who knows me beyond a couple words on a screen just knows that I dont do police. If Im pulled over I dont say to my friends "Oh, this fucking pig just swooped on me because Im black, down with the man!". If Im speeding, damn, Im speeding, get the ticket, buck it up. You have never seen me call the cops pigs, pricks and dicks, none of that. I have problems with the law because I say its not impossible for a cop to be racist? LOL, only in GA..

If im wrong, Im sorry... I just know any time we have a debate on these issues you have always come across as disliking the government, police, etc on the topics we all discuss.


Why do I get harrassed by the police so much? One reason I know for a fact is that I stand out. I drive a lexus and have owned an Aprilia Mille R but I am too young to rent a car at the airport. None of mommys money. Ive sat down and ate at restaurants like Chops, Lobster Bar, and Ruth Chris before I was legal drinking age and people do the same things you see in movies. Ever go to eat and have somone tell me you the average price of a meal when you enter or ask to pay upfront when you order. All my life since I was first able to work Ive always saved so I can have some things nicer than the average person. When I moved to GA, I see people by some of the same things I like. But its like I am the only one gets pulled over, stopped and questioned, car VIN checked, car searched and researched.

If this shit happens to you, That is fuckin wrong and total Bullshit. I dont care what color your skin is, If you work hard for your money and have the money to spend, you should be allowed to and not be asked "If you can afford it" before you sit to eat dinner. Places like that should be blasted and publicly called out, because thats the type of racial BS that keeps things from moving on.



And criminals are being let off too easy? How many of you have actually been locked up? How many of you have served 15 year sentences? Think about where you were 15 years ago. Do you think a man can go back into society after living in a state prison for even 5 years? Every night fearing rape? Being in a room the size of your bathrooms 20 hours a day? Man, being locked up is something that cant be described. And they dont lock medium criminals up with big criminals, understand? The guy that is there for DUI is locked up with the guy for murder. The guy from forgery with the guy for sodomy, the guy for insurance fraud is there with the guy for armed robbery. So who do you think the ones who are getting "Butt Raped" are?

You know what Frank.... Im sorry but dont think I nor anyone will feel pitty for these people. They know in full when they do a crime and they get caught, this is what happens. But instead of being a decent part of society they decide to do shit the way they want. I dont know what its like to be locked up, but ya know what.... Thats not something I will ever have to worry about because I dont do shit to get me put there. If they are afraid of getting raped in the ass, Dont kill,rape, steal, sell drugs, imbezel, etc that get you put there. If you serve 15 years you did something pretty hardcore to get there. Jail isnt supposed to be fun, but its not harsh enough when they have no problem going back time and ime again, Why? Cause they get playtime, Workout time, Cable TV, Showers, 3 meals a day and shelter.


Then think about it, a lot of these criminals cant serve life in jail. What type of citizens are getting released from these jails? Citizens who have lived based on the laws of survival, not the laws of the county. Do you know how hard it is to get a decent job with a felony record? One that makes it possible to pay $123/mo in probation and find somewhere to stay? What if you have kids? A sickness? And you cant find anything for more than $6/hr? Is that person omre likely to take up the $6/hr job or trying one of the ways of making money he learned while in jail, like selling drugs? Hmm... There is more to it than just locking people up. I think the current penal system is all messed up. But I guess I will be criticized for being too kind to criminals, but my point is that just throwing people in a box doesnt work. The system needs reworking. Things like NOLO/1st Offender need to expunge arrest when the terms are finished seeing that A NO LO OR 1st OFFENDERS PLEA IS NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT. Look it up, dont assume it.

Again.... Do the crime, You pay the price.... You know doing the crime that your life will be changed and you will be looked down on by sosciety... Again... No sympathy from me, sorry. And thats for ANY race that in prison, Again, I can care less what color someone is, People need to pay for what they do.

Brett
03-11-2005, 08:05 PM
Frank... You are a very good debater... this is why I enjoy these with you, It always will stay civil and we both respect both points of view.

T-Mo Goodie
03-11-2005, 08:13 PM
FrankPwrs said some true and real stuff in his post. Wow. I enjoyed reading you r post, because people DO seem to think that racism doesn't exist in GA. HAHA. I can understand how people think that the race card is being pulled alot, but you all are NOT in the situations and DON'T know what really happens. You only here whats on the news or in the paper, in which half the time they dress it up and make it seem sweet. Just like say the 'war' thats going on but HEYYYYYY thats a whole nother subject. HAHA

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 08:16 PM
I totally agree that people need to pay for whta they do. 100%. BUt I dont think jail is about reform at all. i think it needs to some sort of program that starts to pepare a prisoner for release. Anyone ever see Blow? How George Jung said he moved from weed to coke. In GA you can be locked up at the age of 17. A 17 year old spends a year in jail with people who are rapist and murderers. Its not practical to seperate people by age or the crime, but damn. I think that there needs to be a new system. I am a firm believer that if you do your time, then that should be it. Never understood not being able to vote with a felony record.

Brett
03-11-2005, 08:20 PM
FrankPwrs said some true and real stuff in his post. Wow. I enjoyed reading you r post, because people DO seem to think that racism doesn't exist in GA. HAHA. I can understand how people think that the race card is being pulled alot, but you all are NOT in the situations and DON'T know what really happens. You only here whats on the news or in the paper, in which half the time they dress it up and make it seem sweet. Just like say the 'war' thats going on but HEYYYYYY thats a whole nother subject. HAHA

Trust me, I KNOW Georgia has PLENTY of racism around here.... Hell Southern states are known for it, Im not blind. ;)

FrnkPwrs
03-11-2005, 08:22 PM
And brett, I like these debates too. I think I just got heated because I felt like people were twisting some of my words and ignoring where i said things that were exactly the same as them. Straight up, the guy deserves death. But in reality if an officer doesnt acts within certain guidelines when doing so, it will cause a lot of problems in the investigation process, and then I can see it being a race issue if nothing happens to him for an out of protocol shooting. because your average officer knows you just cant shoot people for being killers. But if the word is shoot to kill, then hey, its shoot to kill.

Brett
03-11-2005, 08:26 PM
Yeah I hear ya, I know they cant just do it, But I wouldnt be mad if they did. To me jail will be to easy for him. I want him dead.

T-Mo Goodie
03-11-2005, 08:48 PM
Trust me, I KNOW Georgia has PLENTY of racism around here.... Hell Southern states are known for it, Im not blind. ;)

That post wasn't directed towards you at all. It was to the people who don't believe it exists. ;)

uncle_el
03-11-2005, 09:12 PM
stuff's crazy around here! i worked at grady last night, don't go back until next friday. i suppose i'll have some front line details next week.

in any event, frank, you know i'm always feeling you!


as far as what this guy did...

1. he "allegedly" committed crimes against his ex girlfriend, not his wife.
2. he had already been to one trial for the alleged crimes, and the trial ended up in a hung jury.

many people are sitting and watching the news, hearing things... and somehow the guy held his wife hostage for three days and didn't want to go to jail. small details, yes, but details that were misrepresented. :shrug: not necessarily a big deal, but just wanted to point that out.

is what the guy did in court today wrong? absolutely.
what's the proper course of action? apprehending the suspect and bringing him in.
if he has a weapon drawn when police get near him, i would definitely understand opening fire on him, given his history of using a deadly weapon and the likelihood of imminent danger.

seems like there are too many trigger happy people around here. while emotionally one may want the guy to get his "just desserts", it just doesn't make sense. acting on a hunch, being trigger happy, is how things used to be, and in some ways still are. one person allegedly shoots someone, cops show up and shoot the guy.
if we're going to say that it's ok for cops, sworn to protect citizens and uphold the law, to subvert the law in this case, at which point does it stop?

Cliff
03-11-2005, 09:50 PM
if jesse jackson has anything to do with it then it will become racial.....and i am still wondering about the "Black Governors Convention" held in atlanta a few weeks ago...you all know all hell would break loose if there was a white governors convention....i think people need to get over stuff that is long since past

Cliff
03-11-2005, 09:57 PM
and i quote trick daddy

"You know yall going to mess around and complain about slavery that was over 40 50 years ago black folks need to move on
Yall keep playin wit a cracker they going to have yo ass tied up wired up to them back roads south florida and Georgia they made
Them laws say they cant do anything for you can a church get a amen and god for the thugs."

Brett
03-11-2005, 10:23 PM
and i am still wondering about the "Black Governors Convention" held in atlanta a few weeks ago...you all know all hell would break loose if there was a white governors convention....i think people need to get over stuff that is long since past

True that!! Just like if white people had a white version of BET that shit wouldnt fly either. Why do we have to continue to seperate shit like this by race

Cliff
03-11-2005, 10:37 PM
yea...it's odd how alot of the leaders want to do away with racism and segregation then they go and form black only groups as if that helps the situation

T-Mo Goodie
03-11-2005, 10:44 PM
You all will just never get it. I am black, but I for one am not the one to always pull the race card, but it goes back to you have to be in situations and have experienced things to understand why???

If everything was the way "white people" (or whoever has a problem with this) then things would be WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY different. There probably wouldn't BE any black shows, spanish shows, etc on tv. Hell look at models, it is DOMINATed by whites, theres only a few blacks out there and one of them is ugly as hell.

First step would be for people to erase their prejudices and then we can move forward without all these backbones for 'blacks"

Cliff
03-11-2005, 10:46 PM
lol i have been a white kid on wesley chapel, decatur, lithonia and so on and so forth...i have had plenty of black cashiers ignore me when i am standing there

T-Mo Goodie
03-11-2005, 10:56 PM
yea...it's odd how alot of the leaders want to do away with racism and segregation then they go and form black only groups as if that helps the situation

I love to read alot of your comments on race-related issues on the board. Just get out and come in my neighborhood for a minute or a black neighborhood for that matter. Just to see what really goes on. I can not begin to explain nor will I for that matter. People on this forum are pretty cool, although some sneak little sly remarks in every now and again that make you wonder. This is only like .05% of the people who really want change and everything to be equal. EVERYONE don't see it that way. Especially, older white country people and young ass uneducated redneck muffugas.

My thing is what have these people like Jesse Jackson and other black leaders stood up for that was unjust?? No one has answered that yet. Why is it such a big deal to people?? I just want to know. This is a "WHITE MAN'S WORLD" minorities will never be treated fairly. If you disagree, then please answer my questions above. I really want to know why it bothers non-blacks so much? Please don't come back with the "if a white man had a ........." either

T-Mo Goodie
03-11-2005, 10:57 PM
lol i have been a white kid on wesley chapel, decatur, lithonia and so on and so forth...i have had plenty of black cashiers ignore me when i am standing there

I work out there and I would say, look at where you were at! They ignore whoever and treat you like shit all over out there no matter your race. Even ME

Cliff
03-11-2005, 10:58 PM
I love to read alot of your comments on race-related issues on the board. Just get out and come in my neighborhood for a minute or a black neighborhood for that matter. Just to see what really goes on. I can not begin to explain nor will I for that matter. People on this forum are pretty cool, although some sneak little sly remarks in every now and again that make you wonder. This is only like .05% of the people who really want change and everything to be equal. EVERYONE don't see it that way. Especially, older white country people and young ass uneducated redneck muffugas.

My thing is what have these people like Jesse Jackson and other black leaders stood up for that was unjust?? No one has answered that yet. Why is it such a big deal to people?? I just want to know. This is a "WHITE MAN'S WORLD" minorities will never be treated fairly. If you disagree, then please answer my questions above. I really want to know why it bothers non-blacks so much? Please don't come back with the "if a white man had a ........." either


i know more "young ass uneducated redneck muffugas." that are much much more intelligent than the people you will find in the city....people in the country work hard to make somthing of themselves which is a drive not many city kids have

Cliff
03-11-2005, 11:00 PM
oh and jesse jackson....he would not be nearly the person he is if someone would take his race card away from him....that's how he gets so much attention by playin the race card every chance he gets

T-Mo Goodie
03-11-2005, 11:00 PM
i know more "young ass uneducated redneck muffugas." that are much much more intelligent than the people you will find in the city....people in the country work hard to make somthing of themselves which is a drive not many city kids have

I am talking in the sense of black/white issues. Not literally. Meaning some of them like to live in the past and hate you just because your black and I am speaking from experience too. Take some trips out of town and have to stop in a country town......

Brett
03-11-2005, 11:00 PM
I just would love to see the day races arent looked at by color, people just look at eachother as PEOPLE, and nothing more.

Kevykev
03-11-2005, 11:01 PM
True that!! Just like if white people had a white version of BET that shit wouldnt fly either. Why do we have to continue to seperate shit like this by race


I can actually make you understand why Brett, but i won't no need to get into these long race conversations that solve nothing???

Cliff
03-11-2005, 11:01 PM
well there's alot of blacks who grow up living in the past wanting to hate people because they are white and "what they did to their ancestors"....it sucks but it goes both ways

T-Mo Goodie
03-11-2005, 11:06 PM
Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they show that car that has been found one more time on t.v that has probably been sitting there for 14-15 hrs. like they really found something!

quickdodgeŽ
03-12-2005, 03:27 AM
Here's how I look at it.

To me, complaining about shit just keeps it alive. I could care less if there was 50 black-only TV stations. If a black guy runs a black-only station, more power to him. I hear a lot of people saying "well at least MLK was good for one thing." Damn how many holidays do we have that celebrate white folks. Waaaaaaay more than black folks.

I've also been the white kid in "black only" areas. When I first moved here from LBC, I lived on Covington Hwy(right across from Target/Mama's), I lived behind Columbia Mall, and I lived in Avondale. I went to Candy Cane daycare center on Columbia and Glenwood. Me personally, I've never had any problems. I don't know if I just don't look like I would be of a prejudice nature or what(maybe it's all the gang tats). Two months ago and then 2 days ago was the first time in my life that I was actually refered to as a "cracker" and a "dumbass white boy". Lolol. I just laughed. TO the lady that called me a "cracker", I told responded "representin' Saltine, baby." I could probably be the oddest thing you could see in a mall. A white dude that has a black daughter, a Japanese son and a white daughter walking around is quite the site. I'm proud of it, though. I'm good.

I do agree with the race card being used an awful lot. Stupid as it is. But I se eit both ways. White folks will do it to a black person just as quick. Quick to say "Stupid n---er wouldn't give me a loan. Probably cause I'm white." I agree with Brett in his opening post. I think there will be an assload of people that say that the cop that were to shoot this dude down was a rascist cop. Forgetting what the dude did to get what he deserved.

I don't know why, but I have never let a black person or what black people do, affect me. I let them be them and me be me. If it doesnt affect me and my family, then I'm cool. If it does affect us, then I look at it as a person messing with us, not as a neer messing with us. Life is too short to worry about trivial shit such as black/white. Later, QD.

quickdodgeŽ
03-12-2005, 03:30 AM
well there's alot of blacks who grow up living in the past wanting to hate people because they are white and "what they did to their ancestors"....it sucks but it goes both ways

It does go both ways. Lots of whites hating blacks. But as far as I can see, it is for no reason. At least black folks(back in the day anyway) had a reason to hate on whites. Later, QD.

kilpatty43
03-12-2005, 08:56 AM
im not going through and reading all this but i will say my piece...this guy is suh a jackass...he was facing a rape charge which is generally a 5-7 year sentence...instead of seeing how the trail turned out, he killed 3 people, injured others and now has gta on his record...and killing a deputy of the court is automatic first degree...so now he's looking at life and possibly the death penalty...i mean think people..you know youre going to get caught and this will probably end in a shoot out and he;ll get killed which is way too easy a death for him...hell he deserves torture then to be killed slowly just for the rape in itself...now this...i hope they fry his ass...

quickdodgeŽ
03-12-2005, 09:07 AM
he was facing a rape charge which is generally a 5-7 year sentence....

He was actually facing life in prison. I do agree with the "frying" thing. Later, QD.

kilpatty43
03-12-2005, 09:09 AM
oh i didnt know that...i only heard that he was facing a rape charge which is usually 5-7...but good he deserves life for rape...actually he deserves death...but either way...id like to think fellow prisoners make life hell for rapists

quickdodgeŽ
03-12-2005, 09:16 AM
oh i didnt know that...i only heard that he was facing a rape charge which is usually 5-7...but good he deserves life for rape...actually he deserves death...but either way...id like to think fellow prisoners make life hell for rapists

I thought about 10-15 years for the charge. I didn't know until this morning when I was reading the paper about it. Later, QD.

ruah_23
03-12-2005, 12:23 PM
I just would love to see the day races arent looked at by color, people just look at eachother as PEOPLE, and nothing more.

That would never happen Brett.Racism happened even since in the beginning.It's all about individual pride that think he/she is better than another person.

JITB
03-12-2005, 01:36 PM
The dumbest thing anyone ever says is

"if there was a white only station people would ge tupset"

There isnt a black only station, BET aims toward the african american audience, its not Black only. Plenty of white people work for BET. Its Black Entertainment Television, so they program the shows for th eblack audience. Regardless of how long ago it was, All of minorities have been in a struggle to be equal and get treated with the same repsect. And the whole purpose of all the black programs and associations is to help not to discriminate against whites. NAACP is a black association that helps black ppl, United negro fund is a black group that helps get blacks through college. Its obvious that minorities have a harder time doing things in this world b/c there is still ignorant people out there. The reason why blacks have so many "handouts" as some will say, Is because about 20-30 yrs ago there was nothing and the only thing to help the blacks out was other blacks, so is that bad that black help each other out?

Whites have the government, Black have the NAACP.......lol, its almost even

Mike Lowrey
03-12-2005, 05:14 PM
Anyone who knows me beyond a couple words on a screen just knows that I dont do police.

Well the words you type on the screen is all we have to go by, no isn't it? Any those words indicate said "chip on shoulder".


I have problems with the law because I say its not impossible for a cop to be racist? LOL, only in GA.

Then you should have problems with the specific officers that are racist, not the entire "law".


Why do I get harrassed by the police so much? One reason I know for a fact is that I stand out. I drive a lexus and have owned an Aprilia Mille R but I am too young to rent a car at the airport.

Is this the only possability? I doubt it. Funny how certain people have lots of problems and blame it on the most convienent things, with no blame on themselve or the situations that they put themselve into.


Ever go to eat and have somone tell me you the average price of a meal when you enter or ask to pay upfront when you order.

No, this has never happened to me. I agree this is 100% wrong. No argument here.


I have to bleech my skin? Take down all of my flags?

So you are assuming it could only be a racial thing?


When people who havent had as many situations as I act like everything is cupcakes I get offended.

Not saying it is all "cupcakes", the world is not even close to that, just indicating that it isn't quite the "racial gloom and doom" you indicate.


...looks like your average UGA college boy.

You seem to indicate that there is a difference because of his race, between Tampa and here. Leaving race aside, what does the "average UGA college boy" look like.


Whatever... Of course, we are in America, racism doesnt exist.

I do not believe that anyone said this. It exists, yes. Is everyone like that, absolutely NOT.


And criminals are being let off too easy? How many of you have actually been locked up? How many of you have served 15 year sentences? Think about where you were 15 years ago. Do you think a man can go back into society after living in a state prison for even 5 years?

Have you served a 15 year sentence? Judging by your age posted in you profile, the answer is No. Yes, they are being let off too easy. The average criminal get out on probation, while only serving less than half of his sentence. If we are only going to hold them to less than half of what we say, then what we sentence them to is a bullshit number. As soon as the jails get crowded, the government starts releasing the prisoners early. Do you think none of them end up commiting a crime again?


One that makes it possible to pay $123/mo in probation and find somewhere to stay? What if you have kids? A sickness? And you cant find anything for more than $6/hr? Is that person omre likely to take up the $6/hr job or trying one of the ways of making money he learned while in jail, like selling drugs?

Well, seeing as there are honest people out here taking the $6/hr job with families and trying to make it work, I expect an ex-con to do the same. Should they get "special treatment?

I don't beleive that the first time a criminal is exposed to the "How to sell drugs" class, is in prison.

FrnkPwrs
03-13-2005, 07:36 PM
Well the words you type on the screen is all we have to go by, no isn't it? Any those words indicate said "chip on shoulder".
Not sure how long you have been on this forum, but I am one of the main people who say dont try to jerk the police. The main ones who say if you dont obey the law and get busted, dont bitch and whine. If you get a ticket, be man, do the terms, and move on. Read other threads.


Then you should have problems with the specific officers that are racist, not the entire "law".
Who says I have a problem with the law? I think I have an understanding of the law pretty much better than anyone. All of my gripes have been about officers acting with prejudice, not the law operating with prejudice.


Is this the only possability? I doubt it. Funny how certain people have lots of problems and blame it on the most convienent things, with no blame on themselve or the situations that they put themselve into.

You dont know me, so why exactly do you doubt it? Funny how certain people? LOL, ok. So are you saying a black kid driving a pretty nice car that barely looks 18 doesnt draw attention, period? I dont really speed when I drive, dont play my music loud as I invested in good soudn instead of deep bass, tags are always up to date, seatbelt always on.

I live in a neighborhood where the houses average about $115,000 brand new. My driveway includes my mothers porsche, sisters mercedes, my lexus. A plasma TV glows out my living room window. The police are in my neighborhood everyday for one reason or the other, you dont think our house gets looked at twice? LOL, the police LOVE stopping my family to "ask questions". Me and my father are laying hardwood floor in his bedroom and I was unloading it into the garage and I was stopped and asked for the reciept by LPD. Yup, the situations I put myself in and try to blame other people.

You dont know me, you are making assumptions.


So you are assuming it could only be a racial thing?


Not saying it is all "cupcakes", the world is not even close to that, just indicating that it isn't quite the "racial gloom and doom" you indicate.
Racial gloom? I just say shit happens. Racial glood is your word, not mine. These are things that happen to me in my life. Like I said, you have to be in one of these situations in your life. Its easy for one person to be like "Yea, people blow this racism thing out of proportion" if you've never experienced it. It hurts and is discouraging.


You seem to indicate that there is a difference because of his race, between Tampa and here. Leaving race aside, what does the "average UGA college boy" look like.
Im not even going to play this game. The guy looks white, and dresses like he is out of an old navy commercial. You cant leave race aside. Hes Cuban and people think hes white so people tell their bullshit jokes to him and expect him to laugh. They use all types of words to describe hispanics in front of him not realizing he is 100% cuban. he will tell you straight up there is a differnce

[quote]Have you served a 15 year sentence? Judging by your age posted in you profile, the answer is No. Yes, they are being let off too easy. The average criminal get out on probation, while only serving less than half of his sentence. If we are only going to hold them to less than half of what we say, then what we sentence them to is a bullshit number. As soon as the jails get crowded, the government starts releasing the prisoners early. Do you think none of them end up commiting a crime again?

Well, seeing as there are honest people out here taking the $6/hr job with families and trying to make it work, I expect an ex-con to do the same. Should they get "special treatment?[/b]

Have I served a 15 year sentence? Nope, never. My uncle? Has been serving more than half of his 20 year sentence though. Talk to him all the time. Got paroled after 15 years, and cant adjust to society. Just like my cousin Antonio who was falsely accused by CPD and has been locked up for the past 4 years in Joliet, IL. Someone who was locked up before, actually found a decent paying job, was living life right, and then was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

You are wrong. The average criminal doesnt only serve less than half of their sentence. Prisoners are NOT commonly let out just because the jail is overcrowded. Gwinnett Coutny has people sleeping on the cement floor and they are arresting people for tresspassing and loiterring [sp]. Believe it or not there are lots of people who learn their lessons from being arrested, everyone isnt a criminal forever.

As a matter of fact, there are lots of people who have records and arent really criminals. You need an understanding of how the law works. There are lots of people who are innocent, or guilty of lesser charges but the DA gives you a deal that scares the hell out of you. Serving 1 year with 4 on probation afterward is a lot better than gambling and possibly serving a full 15.

You dont see a problem with people not being able to get a job that pays better than $6/hr? When more than half of one weeks paycheck would go to the state? How many people do you know are content with the fact that theyll probally never break $8/hr their entire life? God forbid you cant find a job because you HAVE A RECORD! If you cant find employment, how do you pay the $123 a month for probation, and the $15 extra for random drug test? You just say "Hey, Im broke, sorry!" that puts you right back in jail. Special treatment? Hell no. But once you serve your sentence, you have paid your debt to society? Or should you be branded for life??

Mike Lowrey
03-13-2005, 09:48 PM
Who says I have a problem with the law? I think I have an understanding of the law pretty much better than anyone. All of my gripes have been about officers acting with prejudice, not the law operating with prejudice.

I am glad you are such an expert. Is it because you have/are studying the law, or a lawyer?



LOL, ok. So are you saying a black kid driving a pretty nice car that barely looks 18 doesnt draw attention, period?

You might want to read the words that I wrote again. I do not beleive that is what I said.


I live in a neighborhood where the houses average about $115,000 brand new. My driveway includes my mothers porsche, sisters mercedes, my lexus. A plasma TV glows out my living room window. The police are in my neighborhood everyday for one reason or the other, you dont think our house gets looked at twice?

You have stated several cars and things you and your family owns in more than 1 post. Why? I do not really care that you have "x" or "y" car. The neighborhood you choose to live in makes no difference to me. To each their own. I listed my priorities different than you. That is my choice. I just do not see why I need to know this information and it does not have bearing on the original topic.


So you are assuming it could only be a racial thing?

Read what I wrote again. I am indicating it doesn't ALWAYS have to be a racial thing.



Racial gloom? I just say shit happens. Racial glood is your word, not mine. These are things that happen to me in my life.

O.K., as you say "shit happens". That is a rather blanket statement, don't you think? I would love to use this everyday as the cause of anything bad that happened to me. That would take any blame off myself. I choose not to do that, as there is a deeper reason for many things, and some ARE my fault.


Im not even going to play this game. The guy looks white, and dresses like he is out of an old navy commercial. You cant leave race aside. Hes Cuban and people think hes white so people tell their bullshit jokes to him and expect him to laugh. They use all types of words to describe hispanics in front of him not realizing he is 100% cuban. he will tell you straight up there is a differnce

Well not playing a game, but indicating a point.

P.S. If it was a game, you just played it in the above response.....


My uncle? Has been serving more than half of his 20 year sentence though. Talk to him all the time. Got paroled after 15 years, and cant adjust to society. Just like my cousin Antonio who was falsely accused by CPD and has been locked up for the past 4 years in Joliet, IL.

No response.


You are wrong. The average criminal doesnt only serve less than half of their sentence. Prisoners are NOT commonly let out just because the jail is overcrowded. Gwinnett Coutny has people sleeping on the cement floor and they are arresting people for tresspassing and loiterring [sp].

I was speaking nationally. Here is a great idea. Why not have them serve the "ENTIRE SENTENCE" that they were given. Wow, that would be interesting.


Believe it or not there are lots of people who learn their lessons from being arrested, everyone isnt a criminal forever.

Yes, and there are several who do not...


As a matter of fact, there are lots of people who have records and arent really criminals.

Yeah, and everyone in jail is innocent...Right.


You need an understanding of how the law works. There are lots of people who are innocent, or guilty of lesser charges but the DA gives you a deal that scares the hell out of you. Serving 1 year with 4 on probation afterward is a lot better than gambling and possibly serving a full 15.

If they plea bargained for a lesser charge and sentence, they are still criminals. They are/were convicted of the crime.


You dont see a problem with people not being able to get a job that pays better than $6/hr? When more than half of one weeks paycheck would go to the state? How many people do you know are content with the fact that theyll probally never break $8/hr their entire life?

This argument is so full of bullshit it is sad. Content with an $8/hr job? TOUGH! There are millions of people working low income jobs with families, that do not commit crimes. Why are "criminals" better? Sorry, but if you do the crime, you take the concequences. PERIOD. I believe you even stated before that you should "buck up and take it like a man".


If you cant find employment, how do you pay the $123 a month for probation, and the $15 extra for random drug test? You just say "Hey, Im broke, sorry!" that puts you right back in jail. Special treatment? Hell no. But once you serve your sentence, you have paid your debt to society? Or should you be branded for life??

The costs that come with probation, ARE part of the "debt to society". WTF?

Jaimecbr900
03-13-2005, 09:50 PM
Being hispanic in the US is hard, and you are seen as less than human.

I've been in the U.S. longer than you have, and I've gone thru plenty of BS myself. That being said, I've NEVER once (even by the racist GF's Dad that threw me out of his house) been treated as "less than human". To be honest, that's looking at the glass half-empty from the beginning so you're simply self-propheticing.


Your Puerto Rican? So would you outraged by someone calling you a burrito brother, or calling your kids little border jumpers? My grandfather looked white, played the white role. My mother looks black, she played the black role all of her life because she felt its a lot better being considered black than dominican [just another mexican to most]. It worked for them because there is a difference. I work in the club business. I go to clubs like Wild Bills and I am amazed at how things like fights are handled there, compared to how some of the securities and police react at the spanish clubs. I dont know what type of events or activities you go to, but next time you go out, take a look.

Again, you obviously don't know me at all. I've been called every derrogatory name in the book. The way I look at it is this: If someone says something to me that needs me to reply and throw down, then it's handled then and I move on. If someone says something and it's not even worth my time, again it's handled and I move on. I own my own business and have a family to support. I have infinitely more things to get my blood pressure up about than trying to convert ignorant people. Even an ass whuppin won't change the way some people are wired. Why bother sometimes then?

My point? You can spend the rest of your life talking about how you were treated wrong in front of 500 people at some night club and it still won't change a single thing. You can carry it with you to the grave. That too won't change anything. I'll be perfectly honest and tell you this: 99.9% of the time people that have run-ins with police, they DESERVE IT IMO. That includes me. We can justify everything, yet it still doesn't make wrongs right. Part of the reason this entire society has some of the problems it does is simply because they look for excuses first and real resolutions last. THAT was my entire point since the beginning with you. THIS guy is as guilty as I am long winded. His color has ZERO to do with what he did, why he did it, and what he should GET IMO. Even if his MOMMA was a share cropper slave that was rapped and beaten 100 years ago, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE OR JUSTIFY THAT HE KILLED 4 PEOPLE IN COLD BLOOD. It's a BS excuse, just like any other.


The clan rallys and Neo Nazi events here in GA as recent as 2003, those guys are faking the hate

First, noone said there wasn't any racism. Some of us are simply saying racism shouldn't be used as an EXCUSE for scumbags like this guy.

BTW, Racists can assemble as right granted in the Constitution. As long as they're not physically hurting anyone, it is their right. You and I may not like it. We may not agree with it, but that is their right to assemble and scream and holler if they want. You don't have to go and listen, just like I'm not either. Legally, it's not much different than any other bi-partisan convention that ends up being nothing more than a racial pep-rally too. Whites are not the only ones that have hate rallys. ;)


And criminals are being let off too easy? How many of you have actually been locked up? How many of you have served 15 year sentences? Think about where you were 15 years ago. Do you think a man can go back into society after living in a state prison for even 5 years? Every night fearing rape? Being in a room the size of your bathrooms 20 hours a day? Man, being locked up is something that cant be described. And they dont lock medium criminals up with big criminals, understand? The guy that is there for DUI is locked up with the guy for murder. The guy from forgery with the guy for sodomy, the guy for insurance fraud is there with the guy for armed robbery. So who do you think the ones who are getting "Butt Raped" are?

Again, if you want sympathy for criminals, tell them to look it up in the dictionary between shit and syphillis. It's part of the price you pay when you play. All these liberal bleeding hearts want all these concessions for jailed criminals. I say BS. They are there for a reason. It's not supposed to be a resort. It's a jail for crying out loud. If you got too drunk and have to sit next to "real" criminal for a few hours, it happens. I've done it. Because of that nasty experience I also vowed never to put myself in a spot where I could go back and sit next to Bubba. I've managed to do just that so far. So, the deterrent factor worked on me. I didn't like it, it wasn't cushy, and I don't wanna go back.


But I guess I will be criticized for being too kind to criminals, but my point is that just throwing people in a box doesnt work. The system needs reworking.

I somewhat agree, but what would you suggest? With the amount of repeat offenders, being lenient isn't working either. So what would suggest? Spend bizillion dollars on what?



Things like NOLO/1st Offender need to expunge arrest when the terms are finished seeing that A NO LO OR 1st OFFENDERS PLEA IS NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT. Look it up, dont assume it.

Actually it's YOU that needs to look it up. I KNOW what NOLO is. I'll go ahead and quote a law book for you though:

"nolo contendre definition – in a criminal lawsuit, nolo contendre is where a defendant neither admits not denies a crime but accepts punishment as though he or she were GUILTY."

Just like I said before. When you plead NOLO, it is technically an admonishment of guilt by default. You simply are rewarded some type of leniency by the courts for not prolonging due process. Expongement or reduced fines or reduced jail time or something less than you would get if you were to go thru a trial and found GUILTY anyway.

As for 1st Offenders Status? You need to look that one up too. First Offenders status can only be granted AFTER you plead out a charge. It is a SENTENCE, so by definition a decision HAS to occur before a SENTENCE. Follow? It also has to be GRANTED by the court and can only be done once in your life. It is usually GRANTED to someone who has never gotten in trouble before, hence it's name. It also affords you the luxury of expongement of your record, IF you don't get in any additional trouble during the entire term of the SENTENCE.

So to summarize 1st Offender Status: It's a SENTENCE to a charge. You can't have a SENTENCE w/o a plea or decision. So therefore, in order to GET 1st Offender Status you have to admit GUILT, otherwise there would be NO reason for a SENTENCE. ;)

Jaimecbr900
03-13-2005, 10:03 PM
Jaime, You are so smart and I love you!!! You really know how to organize your thoughts and get your point across. I wish I was like you!!! Ok maybe not that last part, but the rest I still think!! :D

Thank you girl!!! That's the nicest thing you've said to me in a while.....what? You sick or something???? ;) :D

innerhole
03-13-2005, 10:03 PM
if the asshole has the balls to shoot and kill people then the asshole should have the balls to get shot!! there's nothing racist about it.

quickdodgeŽ
03-14-2005, 05:03 PM
Jaime? This is stupid, but, what is your race? Your post, in a way, has me confused. Lolol. later, QD.

Jaimecbr900
03-14-2005, 08:20 PM
Jaime? This is stupid, but, what is your race? Your post, in a way, has me confused. Lolol. later, QD.

I'm hispanic. Puerto Rican to be more specific.

You out of all people usually follow my tirades. What did I say to contradict myself? :cool:

quickdodgeŽ
03-15-2005, 03:29 AM
I've been in the U.S. longer than you have, and I've gone thru plenty of BS myself.


That right there was the only thing you said that confused me. I've never met you, and I apologize, but I just assumed that you were white. You never posted anything that made me think different. That means I have to quit posting to you now, unless it is derogatory..........................nah. I'm just kidding, dude. Lolol. Later, QD.

Brett
03-15-2005, 07:29 AM
What did I tell you? He is crying out the race card!! He said he did this because he was tired of a white system being unfair to him and that he was a soldier to fight this system. They were just talking about this on FOX NEWS. He also said "It wasnt personel when he killed the judge and court reporter....." HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT PERSONEL? And he has no regrets.

I knew he or someone would use the race card as soon as they could. So if it was a race issue why were 2 of the people and one that he bashed her head in black? So this guy can throw that BS excuse out the window right there.

Jaimecbr900
03-15-2005, 10:35 AM
That right there was the only thing you said that confused me. I've never met you, and I apologize, but I just assumed that you were white. You never posted anything that made me think different. That means I have to quit posting to you now, unless it is derogatory..........................nah. I'm just kidding, dude. Lolol. Later, QD.

Well, the reason why I was telling Frank that was because I know that he is younger than I am. Since I've been living in the states for almost 25 yrs now, I could safely assume that I've been here a little longer than he had. I was simply telling him that I'd seen plenty of what we were talking about because I didn't just get here and was somehow dillusional.

As for the other stuff.....I've been called a lot worse than white before. So it's not a big deal to me one way or another. As a matter of fact, we have a saying that goes something like this, "se te nota la mancha". It means we can see your "stain". In other words, there's no denying where you're from. That pretty much matches me. Can't deny nor do I want to.

We still cool QD. Still cool. :goodjob: ;)

Jaimecbr900
03-15-2005, 10:40 AM
What did I tell you? He is crying out the race card!! He said he did this because he was tired of a white system being unfair to him and that he was a soldier to fight this system. They were just talking about this on FOX NEWS. He also said "It wasnt personel when he killed the judge and court reporter....." HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT PERSONEL? And he has no regrets.

So much for the insanity defense then. Good. Now he can just stand there and take it like a man then.

BTW Brett, you're killing me....it's personAl bud. P-E-R-S-O-N-A-L. (I had to :D )



I knew he or someone would use the race card as soon as they could. So if it was a race issue why were 2 of the people and one that he bashed her head in black? So this guy can throw that BS excuse out the window right there.

Well you know that if they will still use the race thing as an issue, he will simply justify killing a black person by saying they worked for a white system. In other words, they are just as bad as the system.

He's still wrong IMO.

blurred visions
03-15-2005, 12:08 PM
I havent read the past couple pages of this thread but I did read the first page.

It shows the intelligence level of a certain race if they are always on everyones ass about people being racist towards them. Face it, if your race is full of mostly low lifes and people that shoot people in courthouses then realize that and know as a race you shouldnt speak up much. The world we live in now is less racist than before so get over yourself, I dont really think many people have enough passion to give a damn about being extremely racist anymore.

In conclusion, no one in America should feel that they are being treated based on their race when it comes to government matters. If you do, then like I said, your intelligence level is very low and your looking for a quick way out.

uncle_el
03-15-2005, 07:36 PM
I havent read the past couple pages of this thread but I did read the first page.

It shows the intelligence level of a certain race if they are always on everyones ass about people being racist towards them. Face it, if your race is full of mostly low lifes and people that shoot people in courthouses then realize that and know as a race you shouldnt speak up much. The world we live in now is less racist than before so get over yourself, I dont really think many people have enough passion to give a damn about being extremely racist anymore.

In conclusion, no one in America should feel that they are being treated based on their race when it comes to government matters. If you do, then like I said, your intelligence level is very low and your looking for a quick way out.

while this is america and you are free to feel and believe what you wish, and you are free to type what you wish... this is one of the most ignorant posts i have ever read on this site. it is ignorant on more than 1 level as well.

i'll refrain from personal comments.

quickdodgeŽ
03-15-2005, 11:49 PM
So if it was a race issue why were 2 of the people and one that he bashed her head in black? So this guy can throw that BS excuse out the window right there.

It wasn't a racial issue as much as it was a political issue. He said he didn't care if the people he killed were white or black. The fact that they worked for the "system" that got them killed. He's pissed at the judicial system, not the white dude. Later, QD.

babygurl
03-16-2005, 12:20 AM
....OK SO THIS fucking jackass....is mad at the "system" because he fucked up makes a lot of sense.....fucking fry the bastard and call it a day....i say we start a fund to pay for the electric chair on this ass whole.........

Jaimecbr900
03-16-2005, 11:33 AM
He's pissed at the judicial system, not the white dude. Later, QD.

Simple solution to that problem: STAY OUT OF THE SYSTEM YOU HATE SO MUCH :2up:

Or is that too hard for him?

On a side note, his brother was on Larry King saying how his brother was really a "gentle" and "loving" person.......everyday except last Friday, huh??? :jerkit:

DeutscheBAG!
03-16-2005, 11:39 AM
I havent read the past couple pages of this thread but I did read the first page.

It shows the intelligence level of a certain race if they are always on everyones ass about people being racist towards them. Face it, if your race is full of mostly low lifes and people that shoot people in courthouses then realize that and know as a race you shouldnt speak up much. The world we live in now is less racist than before so get over yourself, I dont really think many people have enough passion to give a damn about being extremely racist anymore.

In conclusion, no one in America should feel that they are being treated based on their race when it comes to government matters. If you do, then like I said, your intelligence level is very low and your looking for a quick way out.

your kidding me right..Out of all the bullshit that is posted on this site, u managed to build yourself a throne on top of it all with your ignorant post you just made.. :2up: Plus, you have the audacity to speak about intellegence levels with the post u just made..Racism is still around, nowadays its more hidden.Can't exactly get away with it now openly without punishment...your comment has me so riled up at the moment, im gonna come back later to make u look like more of an ass..WHITE POWER! :idb: :gay:

Kevykev
03-16-2005, 12:12 PM
Face it, if your race is full of mostly low lifes and people that shoot people in courthouses then realize that and know as a race you shouldnt speak up much.


WTF is this BULLSHIT...Too bad it's not worth arguing. LOL

Wow your level of ignorance exceeds anyone's in this thread...and i didn't even read the whole thread.

eViLMunkey
03-16-2005, 12:14 PM
Wow.... he's one of the original boys in the Hood..... white hoods that is....

S-10_Davis
03-16-2005, 12:19 PM
it doesnt matter if he was white or black. if i was a cop and found him i wouldve shot his ass dead on the spot just cause of what he did not for his race.

Tasuki_Civic
03-16-2005, 12:33 PM
personaly i thought the police were going to shoot him because he was blk and he did what he did even if he didnt have a gun in hand. there has been countless times when police have done that to a blk males that either wasnt invovled with a crime or that has been invovled with a crime. everyone is not racist but there are alot of cops that are. in some cases if he was white they would have just arrested him with force like its supposed to be done. luckly it turned out that way. its a terrible thing to see for people who know whats right. although i believe that if he was armed and shooting at police then 'yes' take his ass out. and being that the man killed 3 people and wounded others ......they should put him to sleep. cause all that shit is fucked up and i know the families want justice, and i dont want to pay taxes for his ass to be alive in jail with dental and all that other good shit thier getting in there that some of them couldnt even afford when they were out of jail.

Tasuki_Civic
03-16-2005, 12:39 PM
I havent read the past couple pages of this thread but I did read the first page.

It shows the intelligence level of a certain race if they are always on everyones ass about people being racist towards them. Face it, if your race is full of mostly low lifes and people that shoot people in courthouses then realize that and know as a race you shouldnt speak up much. The world we live in now is less racist than before so get over yourself, I dont really think many people have enough passion to give a damn about being extremely racist anymore.

In conclusion, no one in America should feel that they are being treated based on their race when it comes to government matters. If you do, then like I said, your intelligence level is very low and your looking for a quick way out.



http://mi8.bpcdn.us/BP-Grafix14/e.gif :doh:

quickdodgeŽ
03-16-2005, 05:12 PM
personaly i thought the police were going to shoot him because he was blk

http://mi8.bpcdn.us/BP-Grafix14/e.gif

What a stupid, ignorant comment. This is the exact reason this post was made. For idiot thinking like this. Later, QD.

quickdodgeŽ
03-16-2005, 05:14 PM
.., u managed to build yourself a throne on top of it all with your ignorant post you just made.. :2up: Plus, you have the audacity to speak about intellegence levels with the post u just made...

Completely agree. That was an insanely idiotic post. Not to mention idiotic way of thinking. I would say that I feel sorry for people like that, but they do it to themselves by having their thought patterns so fucked up. Later, QD.

blurred visions
03-20-2005, 03:20 AM
I don't care what yall think about my comments. Agree with me or don't agree, I was just giving my :2cents: .

I'm not racist generally, but I hate certain things that a certain race does most all the time. And that is blame people and sue people for thinking that their actions were based on them being racist. If he was shot on the scene, someone of his race would of stood up and called racism on that. Why would someone do something unintelligent like that? :dunno:

DeutscheBAG!
03-20-2005, 03:37 AM
I don't care what yall think about my comments. Agree with me or don't agree, I was just giving my :2cents: .

I'm not racist generally, but I hate certain things that a certain race does most all the time. And that is blame people and sue people for thinking that their actions were based on them being racist. If he was shot on the scene, someone of his race would of stood up and called racism on that. Why would someone do something unintelligent like that? :dunno:

amazing...u just proved your dumber than we thought.......

quickdodgeŽ
03-20-2005, 08:57 AM
Why would someone do something unintelligent like that? :dunno:

Same reason people try to pull off that they aren't racist when it is evident by their posts. Ignorance. If you're not racist, you sure don't show it very well.

T-Mo Goodie
03-20-2005, 11:12 AM
I don't care what yall think about my comments. Agree with me or don't agree, I was just giving my :2cents: .

I'm not racist generally, but I hate certain things that a certain race does most all the time. And that is blame people and sue people for thinking that their actions were based on them being racist. If he was shot on the scene, someone of his race would of stood up and called racism on that. Why would someone do something unintelligent like that? :dunno:

Shit like this is what I was talking about in my post. Shit like this pisses me off. The funny thing is how ALOT of people still think this way. "I'm not racist generally...certain race" So just towards 'BLACKS' You can't say it though. Stupid ass!!!!!

So whites don't have 'bad' people in their race?? Hispanics? Asians? Mexicans? You just hate blacks? Alot of the times when muthafuckers were sued they NEEDED to be. Have you ever been outside of your neighborhood? Have you ever been TO a black neighborhood? If not, don't assume because you just have no clue.

quickdodgeŽ
03-20-2005, 11:30 AM
So whites don't have 'bad' people in their race??

Nope. We are all a-ok. Lolol. That's a load of shit. I don't like that shit, either, T-mo. "Behind closed door racist." I work with a few of those. Listen to 107.9 and at the same time saying stupid n---er. I just thank goodness that I wasn't brought up to be an idiot. People who are that way are missing out on a lot. I think. Later, QD.

FrnkPwrs
03-20-2005, 05:56 PM
I don't care what yall think about my comments. Agree with me or don't agree, I was just giving my :2cents: .

I'm not racist generally, but I hate certain things that a certain race does most all the time. And that is blame people and sue people for thinking that their actions were based on them being racist. If he was shot on the scene, someone of his race would of stood up and called racism on that. Why would someone do something unintelligent like that? :dunno:

I havent been on the board because the weekend is when Im the most busy. But my point Ive been making, its not impossible for an officer to think this same way. Hell, someone may have known this dude for years and never knew he thought like this, but my point was all along is that the shit happens. When I said, "Oh well, shit happens", its because after a while you live life, and realize that there isnt much you can do about someone elses actions. Thats life.

And hey, if you dont see a problem with cops treating people like cattle, and you think that 99% of the time the people who are pulled over, talked to, and arrested by the police deserve it, then hey, thats you. Let just hope thta one day your kids, parents, aunts, or uncles are never in that situation. Because its one thats depressing and sucks to be in.

Im out!

Julio
03-20-2005, 06:24 PM
So whites don't have 'bad' people in their race?? Hispanics? Mexicans?

mexicans are Hispanics too :p

Julio
03-20-2005, 06:30 PM
this thread turned into garbage.

Everyone is or had made racist comments when they really meant it.
Im hispacnic, I hear shit all the time, I just dont let it bother me.. pointless.

Brett
03-20-2005, 07:42 PM
Topic has gone way off what it was started about.

Locked.

quickdodgeŽ
03-20-2005, 08:39 PM
Locked. Later, QD.