K20 EK vs Supra

[Vteckidd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhzyBSQmb_c


I called MAJOR BULLSHIT on this vid on another forum and thought i would get some opinions from you guys.

I say now way in hell is that Hatch NA, not unless its making 280-300whp.

I say its got a 75-100shot on it, i have never seen an NA honda move that fast, not even my 240whp/1800lb crx

[2.0civic]

GOOD CALL

[Big Baller]

bullshit

[Z33_kid]

wow thats wonderful

[JDMk24coupe]

not bullshit...you can make 280-300whp easily out of an NA k20 or k24...

[2.0civic]

not bullshit...you can make 280-300whp easily out of an NA k20 or k24...

proof?

[SleeperWRX]

Its fast but its got more then that k20

[2.0civic]

hondahatch97r (2 days ago)
no nitrous not sure what button ur asking about ..its my car one of my buddys made the video... all motor on street tires 203whp 150tq 13.05 at the track
(Reply)

lol ruin their shit mike

[2.0civic]

not bullshit...you can make 280-300whp easily out of an NA k20 or k24...

the owner of the car said it had 203 so the power isnt even 280-200

[JDMk24coupe]

well nevermind then...

[mx34life]

HELLLLL YEAH!!!!!!! DRAG CITY:)

[Vteckidd]

SERIOUS BULLSHIT, no way with 200whp

[JDMk24coupe]

yea, impossible.

[bdydrpdmazda]

Mr. Kidd builds some of the nastiest Hondas in the south so Im gonna trust his instinct on this one, that ************ is quick though. I dont know shit about Hondas so Im not even gonna try to guess what hes got in it.

[boosted_nonv]

man i don't know man, don't hear any signs of any shot, gears aren't reving out really fast or anything, that supra isn't 400hp has to be bone stock and plus if you really look at it the supra was coming back on him but he hurried up and got off the throttle, he beat that shit fair and square, look at the race from a role, if he was spraying you would definitely hear it from that dig race

[EJ_Allmota]

If the Hatch is only 203hp then that Supra is obviously not close to 400whp.. For the simple fact that even with a 75shot the Hatch couldnt do that to a 400whp Supra from a roll.. Plus i heard no distinct change in the rate of rev on the Hatch's part so i dont believe that he was on the bottle...

[97WhYt_TeG]

it's not the same car!!! at the begining when it shows the pic of the car...you see the red wanna be recaros!!! when he's racing he's in stock seats...idk maybe i'm wrong jus wanted to point that out!

[TIGERJC]

I remember hearing about a local supra running like 15.xx at the track with maybe 400whp, so its possible

[2turbo4u]

At times the Supra looked like he was just cruzin, but that little sucker can go w/whatever done to it.

[boosted_nonv]

and that shit definitely looked slow as hell

[KevinT707]

I remember hearing about a local supra running like 15.xx at the track with maybe 400whp, so its possible
Yea thats true, Ren or whatevers red Supra.

[Random Hero]

I bet the Supra has a boost leak and doesn't even put down close to the 320 mark it comes with factory. Either that or the dude doesn't know how to drive worth a damn.

Civic beat it fair and square, and definitly mad props to the Honda guys. :goodjob:

[s2slow]

Seen that car at the motel before nopi and it is that damn quick!!!!!

[Halfwit]

i hate when ppl throw their body into the shift, like it takes their whole body weight to shift..damn

[Sport1.3]

wow...there is no way that was a 400hp supra. the honda pulled harder on it then the bone stock T/A conv from a dig.

[dcutting9]

the owner of the car said it had 203 so the power isnt even 280-200

was just reading the arguing over how much power the k20 can make na...so i looked real quick on club rsx in the na section...the first thread i cam across was by a member named davanca....his dyno graph shows 238 whp..meaning his k20 is making somewhere near 280hp...this isnt uncommon...
see for urself..http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=438906

ftr..i still dont think that civic would have walked like that if the supra was really 400hp:screwy:

[i4_garage]

280-300 whp is attainable wit a K motor

[2.0civic]

I remember hearing about a local supra running like 15.xx at the track with maybe 400whp, so its possible

rens car?? she also had some issues with it too so it wasnt healthy..:goodjob:

good find on the seat thing...i didnt notice that...plus on the first pic, i really dont understand why someone would try to make the exterior look that nice and completely strip the inside

[2.0civic]

was just reading the arguing over how much power the k20 can make na...so i looked real quick on club rsx in the na section...the first thread i cam across was by a member named davanca....his dyno graph shows 238 whp..meaning his k20 is making somewhere near 280hp...this isnt uncommon...
see for urself..http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=438906

ftr..i still dont think that civic would have walked like that if the supra was really 400hp:screwy:

nobody said it wouldnt make that power...just saying that if its only got the 203whp like the OWNER says, he doesnt cream that supra like that

[boosted_nonv]

Well the car is fast regardless, you can go to www.K20a.org and find out more specs on what those motors can do guys

[imbosile]

hahah the end was awesome

[AnthonyF]

hahah the end was awesome


the civic guy should had at least yelled out it was N/A.


the supra was probably stock and its 3800lbs. thats a lotta weight to move from a dig.

[xext12mvx]

lol funny video lol

[Sport1.3]

xext12mvx fix your sig...the shit is too big

[Ran]

xext12mvx fix your sig...the shit is too big:werd:

[Vteckidd]

The owner of the car states it only makes 203whp. I have DRIVEN A LIGHTER CAR THAT THAT , josh greens K20 EG hatch making 202, an if that supra was really making 400whp, it should have been a close race, nto an absolute crushing.

Basically this is a mid 13 second honda beating a 13 second supra.

[mumbles]

i say he is sprayin and loves to cheat on the start, typical honda owner, lol...

[Slowboy]

Sick

[dcutting9]

nobody said it wouldnt make that power...just saying that if its only got the 203whp like the OWNER says, he doesnt cream that supra like that

YOU said it wouldnt:no:...or at least doubted it i guess...look back at the 5th and 6th posts in this thread..."proof?"

not that it matters, just making a point:crazy:

[2.0civic]

look back at the 5th and 6th posts in this thread...wasnt that suppose to mean that u didnt think it was possible:???:

oh well...doesnt really matter..just had to make a point

YEAH SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION...I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THAT MOTOR HAD 300...DONT KNOW WTF IW AS THINKING AS I TYPED...SPUR OF THE MOMENT SHIT I GUESS

[dcutting9]

no worries...i just gotta have my k20's back:)

[N/A EK]

Ohh snap, that supra got OWNED! But it's pulling on the Civic at the end =)

[Killer]

i don't have speakers... so some one else tell me this...

do u hear a horn at all in the video...

cause he hit the horn in every race... even on the firebird...

so unless he's signaling a go, maybe he's got the "NOS BUTTON!" there... just a thought.. and again.. i don't have speakers so i couldn't hear a thing.

[chameleon30038]

the supra wasn't on it at all...didn't look like it even tried

[RHD_Joe]

all he needs is some better tires but that is a bad ass civic..

[Maniaç]

Umm... kinda cool.. sounds to damn rice though!

[HiPSI]

not bullshit...you can make 280-300whp easily out of an NA k20 or k24...


orly? show me ONE that makes 280 Wheel Horsepower.

[Dyverze]

Firebird had it's hazzards on before the race...that's classic...

Looks like the firebird gave a better race then the supra...

[Boostedek]

it a honda that what it does to supra..some people just cant admit thing.......

[JDMk24coupe]

here you go...http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22482


orly? show me ONE that makes 280 Wheel Horsepower.

[man]

Firebird had it's hazzards on before the race...that's classic...

Looks like the firebird gave a better race then the supra...

Is that surprising???

[Black R]

Mike, what forum did you call bs in.....?

[bigdare23]

LOL, that shit is too funny! Anyways there's noway in hell that civic is only 200(sumthing)hp, just cant be. I believe he's N/A because if you goto H-T N/A section you will see crazy ass setups (with dynos to prove it) from the west coast (example 180hp LS). So you can get 300+hp out of a "K".

[HiPSI]

here you go...http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22482


that's an engine dyno, not WHP.

[Black R]

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22525


that appears to be the same car.

[Boostedek]

i was just about to say that too...i was looking at that earlier...

[bobbyg313]

watch the guys left thumb it looks like hes layin on horn like hes spraying the whole time. the supra may not be tuned so hes not on it hard and the supra guy in smiling the whole time. there is a big difference in the last race supra pulling hard!

this only has 257 to the wheels and look at his mod list


K20a2 (type-s head )
Port & Polish stage 2 (flow bench 300CFM)
Crower stage 2: 3/4 Race Cams
Crower Stainless Steel Valves: Exhaust (30.5mm)
Crower Stainless Steel Valves: Intake (35.5mm)
Crower Valve Springs & Titanium Retainers
ITB TWM inductions 50 MM
Peak and hold injectors 660cc
Hondata Gasket

SSR RACE HEADERS
Stainless steel Mandrel Bent 3inch exaust line
Apexi Turbo Muffler

K24a1 (CRV Base )
Machined block with oil jet squirters
Crower Maxi-Light Rods: K24A1
CP Pistons 12:5 -1

Tranny 6 speed
Exedy Organic Clutch stage 2
Exedy Light Weight Racing Flywheel 9lb
DC5 Type-R LSD ATS
Neuspeed short shifter

built K24 w/ type s head race cams ITB. it would be hard to get more HP from a N/A street car. K 20s are bad ass!

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=402863&highlight=K24

if you go to this guys page and watch the frist video it shows a k20 EG beating a EVO. on 22psi.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=46135563

[112480]

For the record Mike you KNOW a N/A K20 can make 300WHP!! This guy obviously didn't have anywhere near that, but don't let others think that it can't happen.

It's called www.k20a.org people! READ!

try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj4EVDwkg2A&NR

[Vteckidd]

i never said it wasnt possible on a K series.

I KNOW People making over 280whp on K series, i know people making over 300whp.

but this car, with a STOCK PRB manifold is NOT MAKING OVER 220whp.

im not misleading anyone.

[112480]

i never said it wasnt possible on a K series.

I KNOW People making over 280whp on K series, i know people making over 300whp.

but this car, with a STOCK PRB manifold is NOT MAKING OVER 220whp.

im not misleading anyone.
Oh yeah I didn't mean it like that Mike, I just see people saying "yeah right, not a honda" like it's impossible for a N/A K20 to beat a turbo'd Supra(within reason i.e horspower).

[Dudeman]

left thumb always hits the left horn button, and when he races the firebird he hits it and no horn but OMG supa powa. hes sprayin...

[MR. 200SX]

The owner of the car states it only makes 203whp. I have DRIVEN A LIGHTER CAR THAT THAT , josh greens K20 EG hatch making 202, an if that supra was really making 400whp, it should have been a close race, nto an absolute crushing.

Basically this is a mid 13 second honda beating a 13 second supra.


It could be a 13sec VS 13sec but the video shows a 13sec beating an 18sec Supra. I'm sure that supra wasn't even trying. You can see the last race when he let off before the supra caught up to him.

[zenkiAM]

thats definitely believable

[2.3 Evo 8]

Looks like the Supra driver can't drive worth a shit and gave up by 100-120mph in all 3 races. It gave up in the first two and started pulling in the third, but the Civic was off the throttle by 115mph.

The last race with the Firebird was good, I think he caught the Firebird sleeping at the light to be honest.

The driver of the Civic hit his horn with the Supra, but I didn't see anything regarding nitrous and the use of the horn to trigger it. He doesn't stay on the horn during the races.

Everybody in that video sucks at driving though.

[Dudeman]

its not hard to have it so you hit it and it stays one and you hit it to turn it off though.

[00CelicaGT]

When they ran from a dig he did leave before the 3rd honk but that shit is really fast. i like the end with the firebird

"it' s just a 4 Cyinder" And smoked his ass lol:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[josh green]

I havent watched the video but I have seen some fast NA K series hatches. The only that I remember made abot 240whp and was doing pretty well in hwy pulls against a c5 z06. I think the hatch stayed ahead of the z06 1 time and all the rest were verry close, but anything over 120mph in a civc you better have some power to compensate for the wind drag. If you want I will see about posting that video.

I think mike drove my hatch when I had it, it was pretty fast but not really anything spectacular. Had I invested money into getting an LSD and other things that it probably would have made a big difference. I only did a few hwy rolls with some friends, and I hung with a evo9 rs with full exhaust (both had passengers) and smoked the ever living dog shite out of Black R's Type R ef hatch (only I had a passenger). Only tuning I had in the car was an hour with chunky. I dont know how much it is to do a K sawp now but I did mine a the end of 04 and it was right at $8k to put a STOCK k20a2, stock non lsd tranny, stock clutch, budget header, K pro, Hasport mounts, DSS stage 1 axles (cheapest you could get and no one knew about the OEM combo yet.) Wiring harness, fuel lines, clutch line, fuel rail,etc... and not to mention being nickle and dimed to death. The car went 13.2 @106mph and that was the 1 and only pass I made on slicks. Next pass I sheered an axle. 12's were attainable, but back then it wasnt worth the money. I just wanted to be the 1st!

I have seen some people throw around that its easy to make 280-300whp in a K series. You guys are dead wrong, it is EASIER to do than a B series but its not easy by any means. I had everything needed to make a big power NA K motor, then I realised how much of a waste of money it would be. I had, 13.5:1 compression pistons, crower rods, GE sleeved block, skunk2 stage 3 cams, etc... I sold every last bit of it. The guy I bought a lot of it from made 260whp in his wifes k20 hatch that had ITB's, shitty Crower stage 2 cam and the bottom end that I have listed. The car still ran low 11's on 24.5" slicks.

I didnt see much front end movement on the supra while "shifting"

[AnthonyF]

Looks like the Supra driver can't drive worth a shit and gave up by 100-120mph in all 3 races. It gave up in the first two and started pulling in the third, but the Civic was off the throttle by 115mph.

The last race with the Firebird was good, I think he caught the Firebird sleeping at the light to be honest.

The driver of the Civic hit his horn with the Supra, but I didn't see anything regarding nitrous and the use of the horn to trigger it. He doesn't stay on the horn during the races.

Everybody in that video sucks at driving though.

yea, i agree :)

[Boostedek]

I just see people saying "yeah right, not a honda" like it's impossible for a N/A K20 to beat a turbo'd Supra(within reason i.e horspower).[/QUOTE]


X2 on that...

[dowhatido]

from the sound of the video, you can tell the motor is built from how he wines out 2nd gear, when i had my built b16 in my ej, and even with the stage 3 clutch i couldnt get it to stop the wine, and i didnt have hondata or anything so i would just bang rev limiter with no loss of power.....doesnt look like bullshit to me, but i really did love the shit with the firebird, thats what rednecks get for talking shit

[Vteckidd]

READ

his motor is NOT BUILT

[HiPSI]

now having seen it with sound... that thing comes up on the revs from a slow roll WAY too fast to not have nitrous on it.

not sure why all of these people are thinking the horn button is the spray though, that's what a friggin throttle switch is for.

[boosted_nonv]

If you know anything about hondas they make a noticeable change on the shot, and it didn't, why can't you people just believe it beat a supra, the supra is the slow car in this one

[xext12mvx]

that shit is fast just because it beat a supra it has nos lol

[112480]

If you know anything about hondas they make a noticeable change on the shot, and it didn't, why can't you people just believe it beat a supra, the supra is the slow car in this one
because some people are just :screwy: period. And you know what's even funnier?, ALOT of people like that started out with a honda!

[worldchamp]

idk but it seems to be bullshit to me.... doubt that supra has 400.

[boosted_nonv]

idk but it seems to be bullshit to me.... doubt that supra has 400.

exactly

[Jenson]

Looks staged or the supra driver really is retarded or it has major traction issues he did get jumped massively in every race. Cant tell since the civic is retarded loud and camera was never in supra. The stock TA seemed to do better than the more hp supra

[Boostedek]

some people have 2jz that why they cant except that a civic beat a supra...i seen some slow supra running 14 at the track..

[Big Baller]

You don't have to have a button for nitrous you ricers, its on a throttle switch.

That car is on the bottle Period

[soplocar]

bottle or not, the civic beats the supra and firebird period.

[qwik 1]

true the seats are different

[Big Rick]

I remember hearing about a local supra running like 15.xx at the track with maybe 400whp, so its possible

its possible for someone who can't drive

[MIami-boy]

^^^^^^^^^^ I fuckin LOVE your Avatar man:goodjob:

[swolejamaica]

thats not even the same civic!!! the one in the picture has red seats and the one in the vid had stock seats!!!

[silversol]

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22525 its for sale to lol

[live~sideway]

id probably try to sell my car to after riding the rev limiter for a freaking 1/8 mile

[BTEC]

the hatch is fast, dude knows how to drive it as well. i say its real after seeing the 2nd vid. my car had 154 whp with a stock b16, no header, no cams, crush bent exhaust and i beat a shit load of "fast" cars. u can see the supra pulling the hatch in towards the end of the 2nd vid. a supra with stock twins arent fast, everybody fears the name supra and the word turbo. HONDA POWER!!!!

[boosted_nonv]

Btec FTW

[BTEC]

Btec FTW
wuz hannin? :king:

[boosted_nonv]

shit nothin much nigga just been workin alot, what's been up with you?

[all motor 02]

Looks Like the Supra had to up his boost....here is a 4min Vid of the Civic... It shows a little more of the supra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_MNSCSYowc

[tubbie]

Supra was not making 400whp, especially as fast as the evo with "380whp" caught up to the civic. Also the supra is auto and they suck from a dig or roll. Evo driver sucked really bad though.....

Fast civic, just not racing fast cars......